--- Day changed Sun Feb 22 2009 [00:06:42] ---| <<-- ksclarke [n=ksclarke@adsl-146-185-186.clt.bellsouth.net] has quit ("Going where the weather suits my clothes") [00:10:25] ---| <--- cazzerson [n=cazzerso@cpe-071-070-218-191.nc.res.rr.com] has left #code4lib () [00:17:25] zoia | New news from planetcode4lib: Dempsey, Lorcan: Assisted thinking ..... and assisted reading [00:33:12] ---| ---> JodiS_ [n=jodi@96-36-113-218.static.hckr.nc.charter.com] has joined #code4lib [00:42:05] ---| <<-- JodiS [n=jodi@96-36-113-218.static.hckr.nc.charter.com] has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) [00:54:10] ---| <<-- JodiS_ [n=jodi@96-36-113-218.static.hckr.nc.charter.com] has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) [04:54:31] ---| ---> danbri [n=danbri@77.167.54.81] has joined #code4lib [05:00:16] ---| ---> papo [n=mathias@adsl-177-161-fixip.tiscali.ch] has joined #code4lib [06:55:24] ---| <<-- royt [n=tennantr@adsl-67-116-255-215.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net] has quit () [07:07:27] ---| <<-- shoe [n=shoe@ip24-250-63-6.ri.ri.cox.net] has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) [07:20:49] ---| ---> hghgd [n=lll@e178042101.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #code4lib [07:26:56] ---| ---> shoe [n=shoe@ip24-250-63-6.ri.ri.cox.net] has joined #code4lib [07:29:31] ---| ---> JodiS [n=jodi@96-36-113-218.static.hckr.nc.charter.com] has joined #code4lib [07:36:10] ---| User: *** JodiS is now known as J [07:36:41] ---| User: *** J is now known as Guest76585 [07:38:29] ---| ---> JodiS [n=JodiS@96-36-113-218.static.hckr.nc.charter.com] has joined #code4lib [07:39:04] ---| <--- JodiS [n=JodiS@96-36-113-218.static.hckr.nc.charter.com] has left #code4lib () [07:39:26] ---| ---> JodiS [n=JodiS@96-36-113-218.static.hckr.nc.charter.com] has joined #code4lib [07:53:56] ---| <<-- JodiS [n=JodiS@96-36-113-218.static.hckr.nc.charter.com] has quit () [07:54:21] ---| ---> JodiS [n=JodiS@96-36-113-218.static.hckr.nc.charter.com] has joined #code4lib [07:55:25] ---| <<-- JodiS [n=JodiS@96-36-113-218.static.hckr.nc.charter.com] has quit (Client Quit) [07:55:52] ---| ---> JodiS [n=JodiS@96-36-113-218.static.hckr.nc.charter.com] has joined #code4lib [07:56:04] ---| <<-- JodiS [n=JodiS@96-36-113-218.static.hckr.nc.charter.com] has quit (Client Quit) [08:02:41] wickr_ | we're on the road to Rhode Island [08:38:51] lbjay | @sing talking heads : road to nowhere [08:38:54] zoia | And we're not little children, and we know what we want / And the future is certain, give us time to work it out / Yeah / We're on a road to nowhere, come on inside [08:39:04] lbjay | @weather PVD [08:39:07] zoia | lbjay: The current temperature in Providence, Rhode Island is 32.0°F (7:51 AM EST on February 22, 2009). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 82%. Dew Point: 26.6°F. Windchill: 32.0°F. Pressure: 30.16 in 1021 hPa (Falling). [08:39:57] lbjay | up to 8" of snow in boston, mostly north & west though. looks like just rain for PVD. [08:40:08] lbjay | ^ today's forecast [08:42:08] ---| ---> hdl2 [n=hdl@wsip-70-164-25-109.ri.ri.cox.net] has joined #code4lib [08:42:37] lbjay | @hosts2010 [08:42:39] zoia | lbjay: Asheville, NC [147]; Austin, TX [145]; Madison, WI [126]; Columbus, OH [97]; Bloomington, IN [66] [08:51:15] ---| <<-- hdl2 [n=hdl@wsip-70-164-25-109.ri.ri.cox.net] has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) [09:24:13] ---| ---> rsinger_ [n=rosssing@c-67-161-232-211.hsd1.tn.comcast.net] has joined #code4lib [09:29:46] ---| <<-- rsinger_ [n=rosssing@c-67-161-232-211.hsd1.tn.comcast.net] has quit () [09:48:42] zoia | New news from planetcode4lib: Leggott, Mark: Latest Evergreen Release Available [09:55:09] ---| <<-- papo [n=mathias@adsl-177-161-fixip.tiscali.ch] has quit ("Leaving") [09:56:15] ---| ---> eikeon [n=eikeon@c-69-143-164-88.hsd1.va.comcast.net] has joined #code4lib [09:57:49] ---| <<-- phase_bb [n=phase_bb@m4d5e36d0.tmodns.net] has quit ("used jmIrc") [09:58:48] ---| ---> phase_bb [n=phase_bb@m465e36d0.tmodns.net] has joined #code4lib [10:21:23] erikhatcher | who's in providence now? i guess it's still a bit early [10:22:28] lbjay | @dunno add i think the property you're looking for is http://open.vocab.org/terms/rtfm.html [10:22:53] lbjay | uh-oh, where's zoia? [10:23:00] lbjay | @dunno add i think the property you're looking for is http://open.vocab.org/terms/rtfm.html [10:23:02] zoia | lbjay: Error: You must be registered to use this command. If you are already registered, you must either identify (using the identify command) or add a hostmask matching your current hostmask (using the "hostmask add" command). [10:23:12] lbjay | @dunno add i think the property you're looking for is http://open.vocab.org/terms/rtfm.html [10:23:14] zoia | lbjay: The operation succeeded. Dunno #296 added. [10:23:29] lbjay | user_error-- [10:23:43] lbjay | @ana planes, trains and automobiles [10:23:46] zoia | lbjay: Is not pleasurable damnations [10:23:56] lbjay | zoia: i'll say [10:23:58] zoia | lbjay: i know what you did last summer [10:24:15] lbjay | erikhatcher: are you there already? [10:24:35] erikhatcher | lbjay: no... just day dreaming of being there [10:43:21] ---| <<-- erikhatcher [n=erik@138.210.8.79] has quit () [10:44:29] ---| ---> erikhatcher [n=erik@138.210.8.79] has joined #code4lib [10:46:06] ---| <<-- anarchivist [n=anarchiv@unaffiliated/anarchivist] has quit () [11:00:16] danbri | erikhatcher, i was about to ask you about the lucene book cover art. but i just found http://www.manning.com/hatcher2/excerpt_about.html :) [11:00:40] danbri | good read btw, lots of ideas in there! unlike countless other tech books that just plod thru a set of apis [11:00:49] * ecorrado loves what his slides say about OCLC in his c4l talk... the complete content is "OCLC is doing something" ... I guess I should expand on that [11:01:21] erikhatcher | danbri: thanks! [11:03:09] lbjay | ecorrado: i thought your talk was on the EL open platform [11:03:56] ecorrado | lbjay: it is mostly about that, but I wanted to throw in a little about OCLC and the Worldcat API [11:04:18] lbjay | ecorrado: compare and contrast [11:04:19] ecorrado | I'm probably not going to do much on OCLC ,sicne the peopel that care are probably going to be at the pre-conference tommorow [11:15:02] ---| <<-- sarabee [n=sarabee@c-76-97-57-109.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has quit (Remote closed the connection) [11:17:01] ---| ---> eby_ [n=ebyr@c-71-206-107-74.hsd1.mi.comcast.net] has joined #code4lib [11:18:57] zoia | New news from planetcode4lib: Brickley, Dan: On the internet, no-one knows. [11:28:53] ---| <<-- rsinger [n=rsinger@c-67-161-232-211.hsd1.tn.comcast.net] has quit () [11:36:41] ---| ---> wtd [n=buff@moriarty.miskatonic.org] has joined #code4lib [11:48:32] ---| <<-- erikhatcher [n=erik@138.210.8.79] has quit () [12:07:41] ---| User: *** ecorrado is now known as edc_detached [12:17:05] zoia | New news from planetcode4lib: Denton, William: Last week in FRBR [12:25:31] ---| <<-- wtd [n=buff@moriarty.miskatonic.org] has quit ("Leaving") [12:49:08] zoia | New news from planetcode4lib: Eaton, Alf: An open question to authors of text mining tools [12:49:48] atz | heading out... see y'all soon [12:50:05] ---| <--- atz [n=atz@cpe-75-185-117-223.insight.res.rr.com] has left #code4lib () [12:50:43] ---| Netsplit brown.freenode.net <-> irc.freenode.net quits: gsf, sboyette_ [12:52:51] ---| Netsplit over, joins: sboyette_, gsf [13:13:44] ---| ---> anarchivist [n=anarchiv@unaffiliated/anarchivist] has joined #code4lib [13:13:45] zoia | my provenance. let show you it. [13:15:33] ---| <<-- eikeon [n=eikeon@c-69-143-164-88.hsd1.va.comcast.net] has quit () [13:19:08] ---| ---> jdatema [n=jdatema@ool-4572edc3.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #code4lib [13:19:13] zoia | New news from planetcode4lib: code4lib twitter mentions: flyingzumwalt: Departing from MPLS to Boston for #code4lib. Brain is sluggish from #dykesdodrag afterparty, but totally worth it. [13:44:39] ---| <<-- anarchivist [n=anarchiv@unaffiliated/anarchivist] has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) [13:47:18] zoia | New news from planetcode4lib: Zimmerman, Peter: a more nuanced discussion of creative class [14:10:04] ---| <<-- jdatema [n=jdatema@ool-4572edc3.dyn.optonline.net] has quit ("Get Colloquy for iPhone! http://mobile.colloquy.info/") [14:15:26] ---| ---> anarchivist [n=anarchiv@mobile-166-217-055-094.mycingular.net] has joined #code4lib [14:15:39] anarchivist | woo! spring break! 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[15:08:01] anarchivist | @quote random [15:08:03] zoia | anarchivist: Quote #49: "rdhyee: one sharp knife is better than a drawer full of dull ones (from Chinese saying)" (added by tholbroo at 04:46 PM, November 23, 2005) [15:12:36] ---| ---> hdl2 [n=hdl@wsip-70-164-25-96.ri.ri.cox.net] has joined #code4lib [15:19:31] zoia | New news from planetcode4lib: Johnston, Leslie: Caldwell collection [15:38:52] ---| ---> cschx [n=cschx@173-211.lib.umich.edu] has joined #code4lib [15:40:14] ---| ---> eikeon [n=eikeon@dsl092-168-195.wdc2.dsl.speakeasy.net] has joined #code4lib [15:40:15] zoia | :D [15:40:50] anarchivist | @quote random [15:40:52] zoia | anarchivist: Quote #1690: " I run all my patches through @canuck" (added by ksclarke at 02:46 PM, February 04, 2009) [15:40:56] ---| <<-- eikeon [n=eikeon@dsl092-168-195.wdc2.dsl.speakeasy.net] has quit (Client Quit) [15:41:07] ---| <--- cschx [n=cschx@173-211.lib.umich.edu] has left #code4lib () [15:46:21] ---| ---> cschx_ [n=cschx@udhcp-macvpn-842.public.engin.umich.edu] has joined #code4lib [15:47:06] ---| <<-- cschx_ [n=cschx@udhcp-macvpn-842.public.engin.umich.edu] has quit () [15:47:48] ---| ---> cschx [n=cschx@udhcp-macvpn-842.public.engin.umich.edu] has joined #code4lib [15:50:13] ---| <<-- cschx [n=cschx@udhcp-macvpn-842.public.engin.umich.edu] has quit (Client Quit) [16:03:09] BillDueber_ | cschx is a little conflicted, I think. [16:06:15] anarchivist | i'm surprised my connection has been this resilient [16:17:38] zoia | New news from planetcode4lib: Bisson, Casey: Don’t Be Stupid, Magenta Is A Color [16:31:30] ---| ---> tvol [n=chatzill@38.219.132.100] has joined #code4lib [16:41:31] lbjay | @quote random [16:41:32] zoia | lbjay: Quote #1386: " talks is cheap - on irc at least" (added by edsu at 12:21 PM, May 16, 2008) [16:51:22] ---| ---> jaron_ [n=jason@cpe-071-070-157-094.nc.res.rr.com] has joined #code4lib [17:04:24] ---| ---> jbrinley [i=jbrinley@wsip-70-164-25-101.ri.ri.cox.net] has joined #code4lib [17:05:41] ---| <<-- artunit [n=chatzill@arhyno-8.libf.uwindsor.ca] has quit ("ChatZilla 0.9.84 [Firefox 3.0.6/2009011913]") [17:06:19] ---| ---> cazzerson [n=cazzerso@wsip-70-164-25-89.ri.ri.cox.net] has joined #code4lib [17:06:30] ---| <<-- jaron_ [n=jason@cpe-071-070-157-094.nc.res.rr.com] has quit (Remote closed the connection) [17:12:42] ---| <<-- anarchivist [n=anarchiv@unaffiliated/anarchivist] has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) [17:16:58] lbjay | anyone here who's used openvocab? [17:17:13] ---| <<-- tvol [n=chatzill@38.219.132.100] has quit (Remote closed the connection) [17:19:59] ---| ---> anarchivist [n=anarchiv@32.178.28.25] has joined #code4lib [17:20:45] anarchivist | @quote random [17:20:47] zoia | anarchivist: Quote #419: " I am speaking. Yes I am. I will speak loudly and often throughout the course of this meeting." (added by ksclarke at 04:26 PM, September 15, 2006) [17:24:38] ---| ---> anarchivist_ [n=anarchiv@mobile-166-217-105-079.mycingular.net] has joined #code4lib [17:24:56] anarchivist_ | ugh [17:25:09] anarchivist_ | anyone getting free wifi at the renaissance? [17:26:29] cazzerson | me [17:26:49] cazzerson | They said that free wifi comes with the room code, so just accept the charges and sort it out at check-out [17:26:57] anarchivist_ | ok, awesome [17:27:14] ---| <<-- anarchivist_ [n=anarchiv@unaffiliated/anarchivist] has quit (Client Quit) [17:29:09] ---| ---> anarchivist_ [n=anarchiv@wsip-70-164-25-92.ri.ri.cox.net] has joined #code4lib [17:29:26] anarchivist_ | @quote random [17:29:26] zoia | anarchivist_: Quote #1603: " meanwhile, I still hate Rails." (added by jbrinley at 04:46 PM, November 10, 2008) [17:29:30] anarchivist_ | that's better [17:31:39] ---| ---> dbs [n=dan@pdpc/supporter/active/dbs] has joined #code4lib [17:31:55] edsu | icanhaz wifi [17:32:06] dbs | icanhaz envhy [17:32:11] dbs | envy, even [17:32:31] * anarchivist_ can haz beer [17:32:37] * dbs wishes the overLODs luck with their preconf [17:32:40] edsu | this hotel rox0r [17:32:53] edsu | dbs: you will be missed [17:33:05] jbrinley | is dbs stuck at the border again? [17:33:10] anarchivist_ | dbs: hook up a webcam so we can project you on the wall [17:33:38] edsu | can we not announce #c4l09 in here, please? [17:33:50] edsu | s/not// [17:33:53] edsu | :-) [17:34:01] anarchivist_ | lol [17:34:28] edsu | oh well, one less distraction is a good thing i guess [17:37:23] lbjay | @quote add is dbs stuck at the border again? [17:37:24] zoia | lbjay: The operation succeeded. Quote #1713 added. [17:41:10] ---| <<-- anarchivist [n=anarchiv@unaffiliated/anarchivist] has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) [17:41:37] ---| User: *** anarchivist_ is now known as anarchivist [17:45:24] * anarchivist going to work at the bar [17:45:32] anarchivist | brb [17:45:39] ---| <<-- anarchivist [n=anarchiv@unaffiliated/anarchivist] has quit () [17:49:36] ---| User: *** jbrinley is now known as jbrinley_dinner [17:49:46] * jbrinley_din goes to see who's at the fireplace [17:49:58] lbjay | huh, i assumed the LIBRIS uris would give back rdf based on conneg but they don't [17:50:16] edsu | you sure? [17:50:27] lbjay | curl -H "Accept: application/rdf+xml" http://libris.kb.se/bib/5060570 [17:50:56] lbjay | am i doin' it wrong? [17:51:11] edsu | that's the uri for the web page right? [17:51:12] ---| ---> royt [n=tennantr@wsip-70-164-25-86.ri.ri.cox.net] has joined #code4lib [17:51:20] lbjay | yeah [17:51:30] dbs | two-month old baby is keeping me home this year : [17:51:32] dbs | :) [17:51:46] BillDueber_ | Hey can anyone in Providence speak to any snow on the ground? Should I be wearing boots? [17:51:52] lbjay | no snow [17:51:52] dbs | @google "family planning for c4l2010" [17:51:54] zoia | dbs: No matches found. (Search took 0.32 seconds) [17:52:10] lbjay | BillDueber_: even in boston it's still just raining [17:52:13] edsu | lbjay: view source on the html, and search for rdf/xml [17:52:20] lbjay | edsu: yeah, i got that [17:52:23] edsu | sorry, search for application/rdf+xml [17:53:15] ---| ---> dchud [n=dchud@wsip-70-164-25-85.ri.ri.cox.net] has joined #code4lib [17:53:18] edsu | did you look at the rdf/xml that came back? [17:53:44] edsu | and the uri that it describes? [17:53:46] lbjay | the alternates use a format=application/rdf+xml param [17:53:52] edsu | yup [17:53:54] lbjay | ahh [17:54:01] lbjay | http://libris.kb.se/resource/bib/5060570 [17:54:10] edsu | yea [17:54:10] BillDueber_ | @wunder 02901 [17:54:11] zoia | BillDueber_: The current temperature in Cherry Hill, Johnston, Rhode Island is 36.0°F (5:54 PM EST on February 22, 2009). Conditions: Light Rain. Humidity: 100%. Dew Point: 35.6°F. Windchill: 35.6°F. Pressure: 29.51 in 999.2 hPa (Falling). [17:54:14] * lbjay tries that with curl [17:54:27] lbjay | nope, same thing. empty response [17:54:29] lbjay | oh well [17:54:38] lbjay | just trying to find an example to illustrate something [17:55:22] edsu | curl doesn't follow redirects automatically [17:55:39] edsu | and you aren't seeing the headers that are coming back presumably [17:55:51] edsu | put a -i on there to see the headers [17:55:57] edsu | or --locate to follow redirects [17:56:16] lbjay | ahh, works if i add -L [17:56:19] lbjay | edsu: right [17:56:21] edsu | sorry --location [17:56:39] lbjay | -L sameAs --location [17:56:44] edsu | yeah [17:57:05] lbjay | works on the /bib/ url too [17:57:21] edsu | also a 303? [18:00:09] lbjay | 303 [18:04:59] edsu | innarestin [18:05:05] edsu | mjgiarlo: you down in the bar? [18:07:08] * royt is about to go down there, fwiw [18:07:43] edsu | royt: coolio [18:07:52] edsu | it's a nice hotel [18:08:34] royt | yes indeed [18:08:53] * lbjay sorta wishes he was there [18:09:17] royt | lbjay: so do we ;-) [18:09:38] ---| <<-- jbrinley_dinner [i=jbrinley@wsip-70-164-25-101.ri.ri.cox.net] has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) [18:09:40] lbjay | more time to work on my throw-away slides [18:10:15] lbjay | and by that i mean they deserve to be thrown away [18:11:12] lbjay | edsu: you imagine any drastic schedule changes arising from tonight's discussion? [18:12:37] edsu | only thing i can imagine is things starting late due to hangovers [18:12:48] ---| ---> dlovins [n=chatzill@wsip-70-164-25-72.ri.ri.cox.net] has joined #code4lib [18:13:33] edsu | dlovins, dchud you guys made it to providence? [18:13:39] lbjay | well, at least i won't be hungover [18:14:00] edsu | lbjay: what's that corona doing in your hand then? [18:14:17] lbjay | edsu: s/corona/pilsner_urquell/ [18:14:26] edsu | lbjay++ [18:14:48] royt | edsu: good shot, tho [18:14:48] lbjay | i'd be willing to play the MC role if no one wants it [18:15:40] lbjay | although I know royt and I, sir, am no royt [18:16:17] royt | lbjay: LOL, and that's to your everlasting credit [18:16:41] royt | i was nailed to do that duty, but stay close, last time i did it I shared it with dchud [18:17:09] dchud | yessir [18:17:22] royt | and he totally blew it too [18:17:24] lbjay | we probably don't really need an MC, per se, but i'm okay with being the general mover-of-things-along [18:17:26] royt | oh, wait [18:17:27] ---| ---> tomkeays [n=chatzill@wsip-70-164-25-95.ri.ri.cox.net] has joined #code4lib [18:17:34] royt | dchud is here, oops ;-) [18:17:54] royt | did i say that out loud? [18:17:58] dchud | the thing is, you want to have a posse [18:18:05] royt | right [18:18:14] dchud | it shouldn't be one person's responsibility to do everything, and it's good to mix it up day to day [18:18:19] royt | well, time^H^H^H^H past time for a drink [18:18:22] dchud | but what do i know, last time i totally blew it [18:18:26] royt | heh [18:18:37] lbjay | @eightball will dchud blow it again? [18:18:37] zoia | lbjay: NO. [18:18:50] royt | right [18:18:59] royt | but the question was phrased wrong [18:19:08] royt | @eightball did dchud blow it last time? [18:19:08] zoia | royt: No chance. [18:19:12] royt | there you go [18:19:29] ---| User: *** royt is now known as royt_bar [18:19:36] ---| <<-- tomkeays [n=chatzill@wsip-70-164-25-95.ri.ri.cox.net] has quit (Client Quit) [18:19:36] royt_bar | later [18:19:43] dchud | where's the bar? [18:19:59] royt_bar | downstairs and off to the side (toward the state house) [18:20:22] dchud | is that "temple" ? [18:22:51] dlovins | I get the "temple" bit now. I guess this hotel was originally a masonic temple. [18:23:19] miker_ | that explains the hidden passageways [18:23:28] lbjay | @ana ask a freemason [18:23:30] zoia | lbjay: Freak mean as so [18:23:43] dlovins | Could someone tell me how you use the "#c4l09" code within twitter? [18:23:48] dchud | hidden passageways? sounds like a breakout session to me [18:24:03] dchud | dlovins: just include that in your tweet anywhere. [18:24:32] dchud | ze web, she is the slow [18:24:46] ---| ---> ksclarke [n=ksclarke@12.185.224.139] has joined #code4lib [18:24:48] dchud | dlovins: like these: http://search.twitter.com/search?q=%23c4l09 [18:24:53] ---| <<-- hghgd [n=lll@e178042101.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit ("---") [18:25:22] dchud | is there food in that bar? [18:26:38] dlovins | dchud: got it. Thanks. [18:27:06] dchud | it is very odd to be talking with you here after just spending 4+ hours with you :) [18:27:26] dchud | not bad, just odd :) [18:28:20] dlovins | dchud: I know what you mean. :-) [18:29:31] dlovins | Very glad to have had your company on the drive up. And then those Italian pastries hit the spot. [18:30:30] dchud | they were *delicious* ! [18:30:44] dchud | and very glad to have been the company [18:30:54] ---| ---> ksclarke1 [n=ksclarke@12.185.224.139] has joined #code4lib [18:30:55] ---| <<-- ksclarke [n=ksclarke@12.185.224.139] has quit ("Going where the weather suits my clothes") [18:33:15] ---| ---> JodiS [n=JodiS@12.185.224.107] has joined #code4lib [18:38:57] ---| User: *** ksclarke1 is now known as ksclarke [18:39:35] ---| User: *** ksclarke is now known as Guest86300 [18:40:09] ---| ---> JodiS_ [n=jodi@96-36-113-218.static.hckr.nc.charter.com] has joined #code4lib [18:40:35] edsu | JodiS_: you and ksclarke traveling together? [18:42:49] ---| <<-- Guest86300 [n=ksclarke@12.185.224.139] has quit (Remote closed the connection) [18:44:00] ---| ---> iand [n=iand@wsip-70-164-25-95.ri.ri.cox.net] has joined #code4lib [18:45:07] * wickr_ is trying to decide between food and sleep [18:45:47] lbjay | wickr_: isn't it 3:45 your time? [18:46:19] ---| ---> erikhatcher [n=erik@138.210.8.79] has joined #code4lib [18:46:39] wickr_ | lbjay: maybe, but that's also about the amount of sleep I got last night [18:47:04] lbjay | wickr_: oh yeah. early flight. [18:47:27] lbjay | wickr_: who did you travel with? [18:47:35] zoia | New news from planetcode4lib: Engard, Nicole: NFAIS 2009: Keynote: Born Digital || Engard, Nicole: NFAIS 2009: Conference Prep [18:47:49] JodiS | edsu: yup [18:48:11] JodiS | edsu: got a message for him? [18:48:43] JodiS | wickr: food then sleep, IMO [18:48:46] lbjay | JodiS: tell him "eyes on the road, hands at 10 & 2" [18:48:55] wickr_ | lbjay: just me, I'm not sure if reeset or kgriggs is coming to the preconfs [18:48:59] dchud | food then slides for me [18:49:13] dchud | slides to go before i sleep, slides to go before i sleep [18:49:16] JodiS | breakfast before 6AM is hard to come by [18:49:23] wickr_ | JodiS: yeah, I probably better have a real meal today [18:49:32] JodiS | edsu: we're on the PHL layover part of the trip [18:49:52] JodiS | free_wifi++ [18:49:53] ---| ---> ksclarke [n=ksclarke@12.185.224.139] has joined #code4lib [18:50:33] ---| <<-- Guest76585 [n=jodi@96-36-113-218.static.hckr.nc.charter.com] has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) [18:54:31] ---| User: *** dchud is now known as dchud_temple [18:55:51] ---| ---> jdatema [n=jdatema@wsip-70-164-25-77.ri.ri.cox.net] has joined #code4lib [18:55:53] ---| <<-- jdatema [n=jdatema@wsip-70-164-25-77.ri.ri.cox.net] has quit (Remote closed the connection) [18:56:00] edsu | JodiS: cool [18:56:02] ---| ---> jdatema [n=jdatema@wsip-70-164-25-77.ri.ri.cox.net] has joined #code4lib [19:03:22] edsu | jdatema: you in providence? [19:03:45] jdatema | Yep [19:03:57] jdatema | Bar at 8? [19:07:27] ---| <<-- shoe [n=shoe@ip24-250-63-6.ri.ri.cox.net] has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) [19:10:40] ---| ---> shoe [n=shoe@ip24-250-63-6.ri.ri.cox.net] has joined #code4lib [19:14:41] ---| <<-- BillDueber_ [n=dueberb@adsl-76-226-138-107.dsl.sfldmi.sbcglobal.net] has quit () [19:18:09] JodiS | shoe: are you the shoe of http://www.linuxlibrarian.org/ ? [19:18:16] zoia | New news from planetcode4lib: Engard, Nicole: NFAIS 2009: Google Generation [19:20:45] ---| <<-- danbri [n=danbri@unaffiliated/danbri] has quit () [19:24:49] ---| ---> rsinger [n=rsinger@wsip-70-164-25-59.ri.ri.cox.net] has joined #code4lib [19:25:14] ---| <<-- ksclarke [n=ksclarke@12.185.224.139] has quit (Remote closed the connection) [19:25:24] rsinger | edsu: ok, i'm in PVD [19:25:26] ---| ---> eikeon [n=eikeon@dsl092-168-195.wdc2.dsl.speakeasy.net] has joined #code4lib [19:25:26] zoia | :D [19:26:19] rsinger | where are we planning to meet for the preconf meeting? [19:27:54] rsinger | i guess i'll just go downstairs and shout assertions until i make a graph [19:28:15] ---| <<-- rsinger [n=rsinger@wsip-70-164-25-59.ri.ri.cox.net] has quit (Client Quit) [19:28:40] JodiS | mjgiarlo: hotel mac & cheese as good as advertised? [19:33:08] ---| <<-- JodiS_ [n=jodi@96-36-113-218.static.hckr.nc.charter.com] has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) [19:34:33] edsu | jdatema: aye, bar at 8 (although it looks like a bunch of people are there already) [19:39:15] ---| <<-- JodiS [n=JodiS@12.185.224.107] has quit () [19:40:35] ---| ---> JodiS [n=JodiS@12.185.224.107] has joined #code4lib [19:52:19] ---| ---> danbri [n=danbri@77.167.54.81] has joined #code4lib [19:58:09] * edsu departs bar-ward [20:02:44] ---| <<-- danbri [n=danbri@unaffiliated/danbri] has quit () [20:07:15] ---| <<-- JodiS [n=JodiS@12.185.224.107] has quit () [20:17:21] ---| <<-- eby_ [n=ebyr@c-71-206-107-74.hsd1.mi.comcast.net] has quit () [20:18:28] zoia | New news from planetcode4lib: Murray, Peter: Durham Statement on Open Access to Legal Scholarship [20:22:04] ---| ---> bess [n=eos8d@wsip-70-164-25-91.ri.ri.cox.net] has joined #code4lib [20:22:21] ---| User: *** dchud_temple is now known as dchud [20:23:27] ---| ---> anarchivist [n=anarchiv@wsip-70-164-25-92.ri.ri.cox.net] has joined #code4lib [20:23:45] bess | anyone know how to make changes to the conference schedule? http://code4lib.org/conference/2009/schedule [20:24:18] bess | I'm down as a co-presenter for Adam Soroka's presentation, which was true for about ten minutes right after we came up with the proposal idea, but things have changed since then. [20:26:53] ---| ---> wickr [n=wickr@c-24-21-35-5.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has joined #code4lib [20:27:08] dchud | bess: it's likely that if you can log in to drupal you can edit that entry [20:27:38] bess | dchud: I logged in, but I don't seem to be able to edit that page. I'll keep trying. [20:27:48] dchud | lemme check, maybe i can [20:28:00] dchud | (anything to avoid working on my slides! :) [20:28:09] ---| ---> MrDys [i=MrDys@wsip-70-164-25-62.ri.ri.cox.net] has joined #code4lib [20:28:30] MrDys | pvd++ [20:28:49] dchud | i can edit. you want i should just remove your name? or maybe i could just check your perms. [20:29:04] ---| ---> jbrinley [i=jbrinley@wsip-70-164-25-101.ri.ri.cox.net] has joined #code4lib [20:29:27] bess | dchud: I'm most worried about having my name removed. [20:29:38] bess | If you feel like checking my permissions that would be great, too, though. :) [20:30:04] bess | A modern open webservice-based GIS infrastructure - the only name should be Adam Soroka [20:30:32] dchud | you are still talking about blacklight though right? :) [20:30:57] bess | dchud: yes [20:31:08] ---| <<-- hdl2 [n=hdl@wsip-70-164-25-96.ri.ri.cox.net] has quit ("Leaving.") [20:31:40] dchud | ok, reload, does it look right now? [20:32:07] bess | looking... [20:32:45] dchud | i tweaked your perms too, see if there's an edit tab too? [20:33:04] bess | dchud: Yes! It's all fixed! You are awesome. [20:33:14] bess | dchud++ # thank you [20:34:01] dchud | np [20:35:43] bess | okay, one more question: How do I find out where the pre-conferences are happening? [20:35:56] dchud | is it me or does it trouble the rest of you that our new approved logo (which is very much like, otherwise) effectively only matches the token "codecodecodecode4lib" ? [20:36:18] dchud | bess: i got email about it, did you not? [20:36:29] bess | dchud: no, no emails [20:36:58] bess | Where is the linked data one? [20:37:01] dchud | hrm, i'll check mine [20:37:06] MrDys | bess: ballroom [20:37:07] dchud | it's here in the hotel [20:37:08] MrDys | of the hotel [20:37:11] bess | sweet [20:37:15] bess | How about the XML one? [20:37:21] jbrinley | dchud: s/codecodecodecode4lib/codecodecodecodelib/ [20:37:35] bess | (three people in my hotel room, all signed up for different workshops, none of whom know where their workshops are) [20:37:47] dchud | jbrinley: gack! oops, sorry. :) [20:38:06] dchud | jbrinley: did that issue come up at all during the planning/review? just curious. i really do like it :) [20:38:08] ---| <<-- wickr_ [n=wickr@c-24-21-35-5.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) [20:38:27] MrDys | dchud: don't remember anyone mentioning it [20:38:39] jbrinley | dchud: I doubt it (but I wasn't involved enough to really know) [20:38:49] jbrinley | dchud: ask royt_bar [20:39:20] dchud | i'll ask him. it's funny in a way though, it kinda sounds like a rallying cry: code code code codelib! [20:40:50] bess | So is there a list of where all of the pre-conferences are happening tomorrow? [20:40:54] jeff | ba ba ba, ba barbara-ann... [20:40:55] MrDys | hmmm...mall or hotel bar for dinner? [20:41:07] bess | MrDys: the hotel bar is pretty good. [20:42:08] MrDys | the hotel bar website needs some work, though [20:42:12] dchud | fwiw there are shuttle vans set up to take people over to brown for some of the pre-confs, but i'm not sure which are over there [20:42:27] dchud | jeff: are you here in PVD? [20:42:33] jbrinley | I thought all but linked-data were at Brown [20:42:51] MrDys | jbrinley: that's the sense that I got too with all of the shuttle announcements [20:43:13] jeff | dchud: alas, no [20:44:06] jeff | i'm upgrading servers and hacking on evergreen patron notification [20:44:08] * bess just found the email with all the pre-conference locations. Is there a reason why this data should not go on the conference page? [20:44:25] jbrinley | bess: because you didn't put it there [20:44:31] dchud | heh [20:44:40] dchud | jeff: well show up one of these years, eh? :) [20:44:42] bess | jbrinley: good answer. I just wanted to make sure there wasn't some reason for not publishing it. [20:44:48] jeff | dchud: one of these years :) [20:45:09] dchud | bess: i can't think of a reason either [20:45:20] jeff | dchud: i should be at eg09 in may. that will hopefully be fun. :) [20:48:20] dchud | Chris Catalfo works at librarything now? [20:59:21] MrDys | well shit. it would appear that the mall is closed. [21:01:13] ---| ---> mbklein [n=mbklein@32.165.142.132] has joined #code4lib [21:01:35] bess | The latest list of pre-conference locations I see is from February 5: http://groups.google.com/group/code4libcon/browse_thread/thread/0adf094f69b08da7# [21:01:42] bess | Is there any data more recent than that? [21:01:48] ---| <<-- mbklein [n=mbklein@32.165.142.132] has quit (Client Quit) [21:01:54] ---| ---> siznax [n=siznax@user-11fa5qu.dsl.mindspring.com] has joined #code4lib [21:01:56] bess | I notice that at least one location (the XML workshop) has changed [21:02:16] bess | I'd like to update the pre-conf page with the locations, but I don't want to put outdated info up there. [21:02:20] MrDys | bess: I'm pretty sure that none got added post-registration [21:02:45] MrDys | hmm let me check the e-mail [21:02:46] bess | MrDys: but did any get moved to different locations? [21:03:43] MrDys | bess: since I'm only registered for linked data, it only gave me the linked data location :( [21:03:54] bess | yeah. [21:04:29] bess | well, I'll put the data from the email up there and email Bonnie and Birkin and ask them to check it [21:12:35] ---| <<-- jbrinley [i=jbrinley@wsip-70-164-25-101.ri.ri.cox.net] has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) [21:12:51] ---| <<-- cazzerson [n=cazzerso@wsip-70-164-25-89.ri.ri.cox.net] has quit (Remote closed the connection) [21:13:39] ---| ---> jbrinley [i=jbrinley@wsip-70-164-25-101.ri.ri.cox.net] has joined #code4lib [21:15:27] ---| ---> wtd [n=buff@wsip-70-164-25-126.ri.ri.cox.net] has joined #code4lib [21:15:49] ---| ---> fak3r [i=phil@wsip-70-164-25-50.ri.ri.cox.net] has joined #code4lib [21:19:12] dchud | hey wtd, hey fak3r [21:19:16] dchud | are y'all here? [21:19:35] MrDys | are people still at the bar? [21:20:15] jbrinley | MrDys: between now and Friday, how often do you think people won't be at the bar? [21:20:50] MrDys | probably only when they're at the conference... [21:21:14] ---| <<-- wtd [n=buff@wsip-70-164-25-126.ri.ri.cox.net] has quit ("BRB") [21:22:11] ---| ---> wtd [n=chatzill@wsip-70-164-25-126.ri.ri.cox.net] has joined #code4lib [21:22:22] wtd | Hey dchud. Yeah, I'm here. [21:22:34] dchud | WOOH! another wtd sighting. it's been too long, man :) [21:22:46] dchud | i'm hacking on my slides or i'd offer to buy you a drink [21:22:55] wtd | Heh, same here. [21:23:07] dchud | are you speaking tomorrow? or your 20-min talk slides? [21:23:20] wtd | My Wednesday slides, with JodiS. [21:24:15] wtd | I hope my luggage has arrived by Wednesday or I will look pretty grubby up there. Air Canada sacrificed luggage for fuel on my flight. [21:25:14] dbs | aircanada-- [21:26:06] bess | I updated the locations of the pre-conferences here: http://code4lib.org/node/266#preconferences I would be very happy if someone would check to make sure my information isn't out of date. [21:27:28] dchud | wtd: ack! [21:27:32] dchud | air_canada-- [21:27:43] jbrinley | bess++ [21:27:48] dchud | now you know what we deal with when we head up to access :) [21:28:08] bess | okay, one more dumb question [21:28:18] bess | what time do the pre-conferences happen? [21:28:25] dchud | start at 9 [21:28:50] bess | 9 - 12 and 1 - 4? [21:29:24] wtd | dchud: Got some aggro from a Homeland Security guy too. He put a note on my file. Somehow he got the idea I was getting paid to speak. :( [21:29:29] jbrinley | bess: LOD preconf is 9-12 and 1:30-4:30, I think [21:30:05] bess | is that the same schedule for all of them, do we know? [21:31:42] bess | well, it is now, because I don't see the times listed anywhere [21:34:15] bess | okay, we've got what, where, and when covered for the pre-conferences in a central location. http://code4lib.org/node/266 [21:34:46] jbrinley | bess++ [21:36:11] ---| <<-- siznax [n=siznax@user-11fa5qu.dsl.mindspring.com] has quit (Remote closed the connection) [21:40:34] dchud | wtd: oops. [21:43:44] wtd | dchud: From your FOAF file, I detect a liking for Slim Gaillard. [21:46:24] ---| <<-- fak3r [i=phil@wsip-70-164-25-50.ri.ri.cox.net] has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) [21:46:58] bess | My foaf has disappeared from the list. You guys don't like me anymore or what? No one wants to be my friend? [21:47:26] bess | Didn't royt's keep disappearing yesterday? What was the fix? [21:48:31] wtd | Where's your FOAF, bess? [21:48:38] zoia | New news from planetcode4lib: O'Steen, Ben: Handling Tabular data [21:49:03] bess | www.ibiblio.org/bess/foaf.rdf#me [21:49:23] ---| ---> mbklein [n=mbklein@wsip-70-164-25-42.ri.ri.cox.net] has joined #code4lib [21:50:24] ---| <<-- mbklein [n=mbklein@wsip-70-164-25-42.ri.ri.cox.net] has quit (Client Quit) [21:50:27] ---| ---> mbklein [n=mbklein@wsip-70-164-25-42.ri.ri.cox.net] has joined #code4lib [21:50:38] ---| ---> hdl2 [n=hdl@wsip-70-164-25-96.ri.ri.cox.net] has joined #code4lib [21:51:40] wtd | edsu's thing only lists people who say they're attending the linked data preconf. [21:52:02] wtd | I added you to mine. [21:52:56] bess | wtd: thank you. [21:52:56] ---| <<-- dlovins [n=chatzill@wsip-70-164-25-72.ri.ri.cox.net] has quit (Remote closed the connection) [21:54:55] bess | wtd: isn't this what I want? [21:55:23] ---| <<-- jbrinley [i=jbrinley@wsip-70-164-25-101.ri.ri.cox.net] has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) [21:55:25] bess | or is there a more specific way to indicate attendance at the linked data preconf? [21:56:17] wtd | For added geekiness, you need: [21:56:40] ---| ---> dlovins [n=chatzill@wsip-70-164-25-72.ri.ri.cox.net] has joined #code4lib [22:04:09] bess | wtd: okay, added it. thank you. I always want as much geekiness as possible. :) [22:05:40] wtd | But now you have to come to the linked data session, or you'd be lying, and that would be terrible. [22:05:56] dchud | UNTRUTHS IN THE LINKED DATA CLOUD CALL THE POLICE [22:06:18] dchud | i kinda want some dessert. anybody know if the restaurant is still open? [22:06:20] * dbs wonders how many people deliberately introduced lies into their FOAF [22:06:36] * dchud whistles unguiltily [22:06:47] wtd | dchud: I think they said until 11. [22:07:07] dchud | wtd: hey lemme buy you a nightcap then... you can bring your laptop if i can bring mine [22:07:36] wtd | Deal. I'll see you down there. [22:07:40] dchud | woot! [22:07:43] ---| User: *** dchud is now known as dchud_temple [22:07:54] ---| <<-- wtd [n=chatzill@wsip-70-164-25-126.ri.ri.cox.net] has quit ("ChatZilla 0.9.84 [Firefox 3.0.6/2009020911]") [22:08:06] ---| <<-- dchud_temple [n=dchud@wsip-70-164-25-85.ri.ri.cox.net] has quit () [22:20:28] ---| ---> mouwd [n=mouwd@wsip-70-164-25-85.ri.ri.cox.net] has joined #code4lib [22:21:10] ---| <<-- bess [n=eos8d@wsip-70-164-25-91.ri.ri.cox.net] has quit ("gotta go...") 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[23:12:22] ---| ---> dchud [n=dchud@wsip-70-164-25-46.ri.ri.cox.net] has joined #code4lib [23:12:58] dchud | the bar, the bar [23:13:40] ---| <--- jstroop [n=jstroop@wsip-70-164-25-120.ri.ri.cox.net] has left #code4lib () [23:14:43] ---| <<-- dchud [n=dchud@wsip-70-164-25-46.ri.ri.cox.net] has quit (Client Quit) [23:19:03] zoia | New news from planetcode4lib: Schmidt, Aaron: I Ditched Google Reader & Gmail to Increase My Productivity [23:25:01] ---| ---> dchud [n=dchud@wsip-70-164-25-46.ri.ri.cox.net] has joined #code4lib [23:29:31] ---| ---> dchud_ [n=dchud@wsip-70-164-25-46.ri.ri.cox.net] has joined #code4lib [23:29:49] ---| <<-- dchud [n=dchud@wsip-70-164-25-46.ri.ri.cox.net] has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) [23:36:41] ---| ---> ksclarke [n=ksclarke@wsip-70-164-25-53.ri.ri.cox.net] has joined #code4lib [23:37:51] ---| <<-- petercline [n=peter@wsip-70-164-25-49.ri.ri.cox.net] has quit ("leaving") [23:41:20] ---| ---> wtd [n=chatzill@wsip-70-164-25-126.ri.ri.cox.net] has joined #code4lib [23:44:49] anarchivist | @quote random [23:44:51] zoia | anarchivist: Quote #737: " i prefer well-travelled metadata; it has more perspective" (added by gsf at 05:50 PM, February 27, 2007) [23:45:15] wtd | dchud++ [23:45:25] dchud_ | what was that for? [23:45:29] ---| User: *** dchud_ is now known as dchud [23:46:00] anarchivist | dchud: oh, hey, tom hyry said this via facebook [23:46:06] anarchivist | "When you see Dan, say "Chudley my good man!"" [23:46:13] dchud | haw! [23:46:23] dchud | we had breakfast together this morning :) [23:47:16] ---| <<-- jdatema [n=jdatema@wsip-70-164-25-77.ri.ri.cox.net] has quit (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) [23:49:03] ---| ---> jdatema [n=jdatema@wsip-70-164-25-87.ri.ri.cox.net] has joined #code4lib [23:50:54] wtd | dchud: For the wine. [23:51:03] ---| ---> BigD [n=dfleming@wsip-70-164-25-52.ri.ri.cox.net] has joined #code4lib [23:51:13] dchud | oh! well, my pleasure :) [23:52:30] ---| ---> fak3r [i=phil@wsip-70-164-25-50.ri.ri.cox.net] has joined #code4lib [23:52:36] ---| <<-- jdatema [n=jdatema@wsip-70-164-25-87.ri.ri.cox.net] has quit (Client Quit) [23:52:45] ---| ---> jdatema [n=jdatema@wsip-70-164-25-87.ri.ri.cox.net] has joined #code4lib [23:52:51] dchud | go slumdog go [23:52:57] dchud | wooh! [23:53:11] dchud | hooray... what a great movie. [23:53:40] dchud | oh neat, all the actors are up there [23:54:53] wtd | It won best picture? I just saw it last night. [23:55:08] dchud | yep! they're saying thank you right now [23:55:25] BigD | did they break out into a huge dance number? [23:55:32] dchud | i'm hoping! --- Day changed Mon Feb 23 2009 [00:00:50] * royt_bar is really glad that slumdog millionniaire won it [00:01:09] * anarchivist wants a sandwich really bad [00:01:54] royt_bar | way past time to hit the sack, night all [00:02:14] ---| <<-- royt_bar [n=tennantr@wsip-70-164-25-86.ri.ri.cox.net] has quit () [00:06:16] ---| <<-- ksclarke [n=ksclarke@wsip-70-164-25-53.ri.ri.cox.net] has quit ("Going where the weather suits my clothes") [00:12:17] dchud | gosh, if royt were really sleepy, maybe he should've left the bar [00:12:47] anarchivist | dchud++ [00:13:07] edsu | bizarrr [00:13:19] anarchivist | @quote random [00:13:19] zoia | anarchivist: Quote #1123: " it's all stupid" (added by jbrinley at 04:30 PM, January 10, 2008) [00:16:01] ---| <<-- jdatema [n=jdatema@wsip-70-164-25-87.ri.ri.cox.net] has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) [00:17:04] BigD | i should be asleep [00:17:07] BigD | it's not happening [00:17:45] * edsu passes out in stupor [00:18:07] BigD | heh, i'll be really loud at the preconf [00:18:12] BigD | for yer hangover ;) [00:18:19] anarchivist | BigD++ [00:18:38] anarchivist | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bxQHCClZDLU [00:19:22] ---| <<-- shekhar [n=shekhar@c-98-216-51-36.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit ("Leaving.") 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If I make it to Bargaining, it will be with another vendor, or Open Source of some sort." (added by ksclarke at 05:05 PM, April 11, 2007) [07:27:56] kgs | hey, can we do preconferences here, in our jammies? it's cold out [07:28:05] royt | kgs++ [07:30:31] kgs | royt I think I'll follow miker_ to the vufind session in the morning but could head to the grid services thing in the afternoon and tape some of it or just do some interviews [07:31:13] kgs | sort of "this is code4lib" a la "this is spinal tap" [07:36:26] royt | kgs: ok, cool. the afternoon is largely a free-form work session, just so you know [07:36:31] royt | time to head out... [07:37:18] kgs | hmmm... ok in that case, I'll come back here and work :) have a good session royt! [07:37:30] royt | ok, thanks! 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[08:19:54] MrDys | oh that zoia [08:22:29] jbrinley | @quote random [08:22:29] zoia | jbrinley: Quote #216: "(16:20:53) tholbroo: i wipe a kid every day" (added by robcaSSon at 04:25 PM, March 02, 2006) [08:23:18] cazzerson | huh, just saw a wikipedia ad on USA [08:23:52] cazzerson | "Jimmy Wales: Character Approved" [08:24:29] dchud | too many slides, not enough sleep [08:31:57] lbjay | the wireless FAILs have begun [08:32:12] MrDys | I woke up earlier for this preconf that I do for my normal job. [08:32:20] MrDys | I hope you're happy, code4lib [08:34:22] ---| <<-- BigD [n=dfleming@wsip-70-164-25-52.ri.ri.cox.net] has quit ("Leaving.") 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I wanted my name to be "thePersonFormerlyKnownAsBLTnoTomatoes" [09:00:43] dlovins | My dad hails from the Lovinskys of eastern Europe. My step-mom from Loving Country, Texas. [09:01:04] dlovins | :s/Country/County [09:01:14] ---| <<-- MrDys [i=MrDys@wsip-70-164-25-62.ri.ri.cox.net] has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) [09:01:43] BigD | dlovins: [09:02:01] BigD | dlovins: of course, with a goofy name like Declan, i don't have much room to talk... 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[09:05:57] anarchivist | BigD++ [09:05:58] ---| ---> mbklein [n=mbklein@wsip-70-164-25-19.ri.ri.cox.net] has joined #code4lib [09:05:58] BigD | http://www.flickr.com/photos/bigdpix/3298981101/ great hair [09:06:00] lbjay | what is JodiS doing? [09:06:02] ---| ---> wtd [n=chatzill@wsip-70-164-25-126.ri.ri.cox.net] has joined #code4lib [09:06:15] lbjay | ahh [09:06:20] mbklein | Nothing in Tim Berners-Lee's web proposal about pr0n or herbal V1AG4A [09:06:24] mjg_ | "This is a picture I took of the dumpster outside timbl's flat, and I am pretty sure it's got some bread he chewed in it." 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[WordNet 1.5 +PJC] [09:08:21] mjg_ | Andy, Jean-Claude's lesser-known brother (who's also got an awesome split move) [09:08:24] BigD | sweet specs [09:08:42] BigD | heh, i built a light pen once [09:08:50] anarchivist | BigD: that will be my new look [09:09:04] mbklein | BigD: Can you build me a shark with frickin' laser beams on its head? [09:09:06] ---| ---> vphill_ [n=chatzill@wsip-70-164-25-29.ri.ri.cox.net] has joined #code4lib [09:09:08] BigD | he's a fun dude. richandcreamy [09:09:29] ---| ---> JodiS [n=JodiS@wsip-70-164-25-25.ri.ri.cox.net] has joined #code4lib [09:09:49] ---| ---> jphipps [n=jphipps@wsip-70-164-25-124.ri.ri.cox.net] has joined #code4lib [09:09:50] JodiS | as we may think! :) [09:09:52] BigD | http://www.flickr.com/photos/berichandcreamy/ [09:10:03] BigD | hi jodi! [09:10:04] ---| ---> dchud [n=dchud@wsip-70-164-25-46.ri.ri.cox.net] has joined #code4lib [09:10:19] anarchivist | soybars+- [09:10:28] anarchivist | weird_aftertaste-- [09:10:44] lbjay | JodiS: you are recording audio? [09:10:47] mbklein | "HERE BE DRAGONS" [09:10:52] JodiS | lbjay: I think so :) [09:11:01] mjg_ | mbklein++ [09:11:02] lbjay | Mordor is off the map to the right [09:11:25] ---| User: *** MrDys- is now known as MrDys [09:11:25] ---| ---> chickmarkley [n=chickmar@m0e0f36d0.tmodns.net] has joined #code4lib [09:11:28] * jtgorman_ prepares to live vicariously through pre-conf folks [09:11:29] JodiS | BigD: thanks for your taxi tip :) [09:11:41] BigD | that's a very ugly tetris [09:11:44] jtgorman_ | I also prepare to be extremely, extremley confused [09:11:51] * jbrinley starts to pepper the channel with false info to throw off jtgorman_ [09:11:53] lbjay | BigD: don't tip the librarians, please [09:11:54] anarchivist | cakes++ [09:11:55] mjg_ | TAKE ME TO YOUR LEAAAAAADER [09:11:56] BigD | JodiS: did you find vphill? [09:12:11] jeff | jtgorman_: yeah, non-con talk in here is somewhat impractical during conferences :) [09:12:17] ---| ---> bfrederi [n=brandon@wsip-70-164-25-118.ri.ri.cox.net] has joined #code4lib [09:12:19] JodiS | BigD: no, but appreciate it anyway :) [09:12:27] BigD | wow, how did he get tim berners lee to show up?!? [09:12:34] lbjay | anyone here from one of the other preconfs? [09:12:39] anarchivist | omg [09:12:42] BigD | i have that outfit [09:12:45] * MrDys windmills [09:12:47] JodiS | "break"ing it down [09:12:48] anarchivist | edsu: breakdance already [09:12:55] JodiS | anarchivist++ [09:12:55] BigD | tbl was a breakdancer [09:12:55] mbklein | lbjay: [09:13:00] anarchivist | pop and lock! pop and lock! [09:13:03] BigD | bust a move [09:13:15] JodiS | jtgorman_: for context: http://code4lib.org/node/266#preconferences [09:13:22] jtgorman_ | BigD: last time I tried to bust a move, the move busted me. [09:13:28] * jtgorman_ has been dying to say that one for a while [09:13:43] BigD | jtgorman_: yer welcome [09:13:45] ---| Channel: lbjay changed the topic of #code4lib to: non-con talkers, STFU [09:13:45] JodiS | didn't know that was how you pronounced SWEO [09:13:51] ---| ---> jaron1 [n=jason@jaron.lib.ncsu.edu] has joined #code4lib [09:13:51] mbklein | jtgorman++ # for keeping a breakdancing gag in reserve [09:14:02] ---| ---> phil___ [i=phil@wsip-70-164-25-38.ri.ri.cox.net] has joined #code4lib [09:14:08] BigD | i've been trying to think of something funny to say around "can't touch this" but it kinda speaks for itself [09:14:10] ---| ---> robcaSSon [n=rob@wsip-70-164-25-110.ri.ri.cox.net] has joined #code4lib [09:14:24] ---| <<-- fak3r [i=phil@wsip-70-164-25-38.ri.ri.cox.net] has quit ("Leaving.") [09:14:28] JodiS | BigD: do-duh-duh-duh [09:14:32] JodiS | :) [09:14:37] ---| User: *** phil___ is now known as fak3r [09:14:52] BigD | friends of hello kitty [09:15:00] jbrinley | http://www.adeliedesign.com/wp/wp-content/uploads/2008/08/jon.png [09:15:04] jbrinley | ^ /me [09:15:07] mbklein | Did anyone notice the in-room minibar special order menu? "Trail Mix $7 / Intimacy Kit $12 / Reddi Whip $9" [09:15:07] * JodiS pulls open the FOAF again [09:15:13] BigD | this is how edsu get's ppl up to his room... [09:15:29] MrDys | whippits, aight [09:15:31] royt | jbrinley: that is *such* a good likeness [09:15:31] anarchivist | mbklein: yeah [09:15:33] fak3r | ctrl-R on my foaf [09:16:05] anarchivist | foaf.load() [09:16:36] fak3r | bear with us? lead with the positive! [09:16:39] JodiS | wiki page: http://wiki.code4lib.org/index.php/LinkedData [09:16:41] BigD | this is some dude [09:16:55] JodiS | edsu: can you link to your slides at the wiki? [09:17:00] mbklein | mjg_: foaf-visualizer.org still thinks I'm you. [09:17:00] MrDys | that's the best pronounciation of 'talis' I've ever heard [09:17:11] jbrinley | the_t_in_that_font-- [09:17:12] anarchivist | i'm gad that my patch for enjoysthin.gs in foaf app works, even though i'm the only one using it [09:17:12] mjg_ | foaf-visualizer.org-- [09:17:18] mbklein | What's that font? [09:17:20] * lbjay steals ed's slide of the lod cloud [09:17:24] anarchivist | mbklein: coolvetica [09:17:39] mbklein | anarchivist++ [09:17:45] fak3r | that's a sweet font... [09:17:49] * jbrinley sees "creabed by..." [09:17:50] anarchivist | mbklein: no idea why i remember that [09:18:01] MrDys | the type nerd in me is annoyed by the kerning in that font [09:18:07] MrDys | but yes, it has character [09:18:15] BigD | isn't that the "Catch Me if You Can" font? [09:18:18] fak3r | those 't's blow me away! woot [09:18:21] anarchivist | gill_sans++ [09:18:25] zoia | New news from planetcode4lib: Reese, Terry: On my way to Providence [09:18:27] fak3r | BigD: right! [09:18:34] ---| ---> jjtuttle_ [n=jjtuttle@dli-020102.lib.ncsu.edu] has joined #code4lib [09:18:39] BigD | 70s++ [09:18:42] * jbrinley starts a fight with fak3r [09:18:54] mbklein | The lowercase y's are nice too. [09:19:27] rsinger | why did i sit in the back row? [09:19:30] MrDys | outlook_web_client-- [09:19:31] fak3r | it's a good test to see if you need glasses [09:19:37] ---| User: *** jjtuttle_ is now known as jjtuttle [09:19:54] anarchivist | rsinger: forget your tin ear, old man? [09:19:54] fak3r | jjtuttle: hey, sorry you're not here [09:20:02] rsinger | x-ray glasses to see through the guy's head in front of me [09:20:10] fak3r | jbrinley: "I want you to hit me as hard as you can..." [09:20:18] BigD | jjtuttle: usck for not coming! [09:20:24] jbrinley | rsinger: there's a spot in row 2 [09:20:24] edsu | glad that's over ... :) [09:20:31] rsinger | anarchivist: i can never understand what ian or any of my other coworkers say anyway [09:20:35] edsu | can i go to the bar now? [09:20:39] jbrinley | rsinger++ [09:20:40] jjtuttle | BigD: wasn't my choice. Statewide travel ban. [09:20:43] fak3r | is this going to be on the test? [09:20:46] fak3r | rsinger: ++ [09:20:49] edsu | JodiS: yeah, i can link the slides [09:20:52] BigD | jjtuttle: they impounded yer car? [09:21:04] anarchivist | edsu: i think mbklein ordered the intimacy kit to be sent down to the lod preconf [09:21:05] JodiS | thanks, edsu. nice job, btw! [09:21:07] BigD | it's worth it to pay yer own $ just to come see me [09:21:11] jjtuttle | vphill_: hey, what's up [09:21:13] JodiS | mbklein-- [09:21:18] BigD | now i just gotta cuddle with vphill_ [09:21:21] JodiS | anarchivist-- #for good measure [09:21:35] vphill_ | jjtuttle: nadda, [09:21:37] jjtuttle | well, give Jason Casden a big hug from me [09:22:00] mbklein | JodiS: :( [09:22:02] mbklein | :) [09:22:07] JodiS | :) [09:22:22] mbklein | anarchivist: This whole room will be filled with Reddi Whip by lunch. [09:22:26] anarchivist | the reddi whip weirded me out on the menu, mostly because i noticed it before i saw the "intimacy kit" [09:22:28] jtgorman_ | kgs++ [09:22:32] vphill_ | jjtuttle: he is sitting right in front of me, I could kick him... [09:22:33] jjtuttle | hey fak3r long time no see [09:22:34] * mbklein is now IRC-ing in Coolvetica [09:22:43] BigD | mbklein: I'm always full of rediwhip [09:22:50] anarchivist | mbklein: i want a room full of some sort of foaf-foam [09:22:51] fak3r | jjtuttle: I hear ya, saw declan last night right off the bat [09:22:52] MrDys | oh, jrochkind opted to sleep rather than to link data, and he sends his regards [09:23:05] fak3r | jjtuttle: ppl are talking about access being at PEI this year [09:23:22] mbklein | anarchivist: There's a combo called "Party All Night": Intimacy Kit, Reddi Whip, and a split of Champagne for $95. [09:23:29] BigD | fak3r: this might be the first access i miss [09:23:29] jjtuttle | fak3r: it's a little too small, if you ask me [09:23:33] BigD | friggin budget [09:23:58] * jtgorman_ is hoping to make Access this year since he didn't make code4lib [09:23:58] fak3r | jjtuttle: really [09:24:00] JodiS | jjtuttle: PEI too small for access? [09:24:12] vphill_ | jjtuttle: what no access? boo [09:24:14] BigD | JodiS: it's too small to live on [09:24:18] * JodiS wants to get BOTH to access AND PEI. Hopefully both at once this year [09:24:18] BigD | but fine for access [09:24:20] fak3r | BigD: this needs to all be online, skype, video conf - ppl contributing via IRC/Twitter/foo [09:24:20] anarchivist | ann_of_green_cabes++ [09:24:24] jbrinley | Access: the place for people who can't get into code4lib [09:24:24] jjtuttle | PEI is too small for conferences [09:24:25] anarchivist | ann_of_green_cables++ [09:24:25] mbklein | The only reason I got to come to code4lib is that I (a) drove, (b) paid my own registration, and (c) I'm bunking in with Scot (who actually got approved to attend) [09:24:34] JodiS | Scot++ #for sharing [09:24:39] anarchivist | Scot++ [09:24:41] JodiS | mbklein++ #for showing up [09:24:57] fak3r | dc:ftw! [09:25:17] edsu | JodiS: is it non-obvious how i linked them from the wiki? [09:25:18] dchud | jbrinley: i object. if i had to pick one, i'd pick access. [09:25:19] BigD | here's Ann: http://www.flickr.com/photos/bigdpix/2774225269/in/set-72157606811160009/ [09:25:25] dchud | more drinking. [09:25:35] fak3r | dchud: PEI is a great place [09:25:36] jbrinley | dchud: I jest. I've never been to Access. [09:25:43] rsinger | dchud: and fewer nerds [09:25:56] dchud | rsinger: not this year, i'm BACK baby [09:25:58] rsinger | all these g.d. nerds [09:25:59] ---| ---> bess [n=eos8d@wsip-70-164-25-16.ri.ri.cox.net] has joined #code4lib [09:26:09] dchud | fak3r: indeed! i can't wait to get up there [09:26:20] anarchivist | rsinger: watch it, four eyes [09:26:21] BigD | it is very pretty [09:26:27] mbklein | BigD: I like http://www.flickr.com/photos/bigdpix/2775078812/in/set-72157606811160009/ :) [09:26:31] ---| <<-- jaron [n=jason@jaron.lib.ncsu.edu] has quit (Connection timed out) [09:26:31] jjtuttle | Access is sort of like c4l, except fewer geeks and more cute Canadian public librarians [09:26:32] dchud | jbrinley: this year would be a good first time to go... Mark Leggott is sure to put on a good show [09:26:36] mbklein | BigD: That's a good look for you. [09:26:48] jbrinley | when is Access? May? [09:26:55] * rsinger hands anarchivist a mirror [09:26:56] bess | jbrinley: October, I tink [09:26:57] anarchivist | BigD: http://flickr.com/photos/bigdpix/2299726147/ [09:26:59] bess | think [09:27:03] BigD | jjtuttle, fak3r, and i were in PEI in August for a Fedora conf http://www.flickr.com/photos/bigdpix/sets/72157606811160009/ [09:27:03] fak3r | dchud: Mark Leggott is v.cool - he's got some ideas, making them happen [09:27:04] vphill_ | dchud: was talking with mark this week, they have some good stuff planne [09:27:10] dchud | access is in october this year i think [09:27:12] jbrinley | hmm, October may be a good time for a conference [09:27:17] anarchivist | BigD: i bet that was pretty wild [09:27:18] jbrinley | new fiscal year... [09:27:25] MrDys | a good time for a spoooooky conference [09:27:32] anarchivist | repositories_gone_wild-- [09:27:35] JodiS | edsu: yeah. I'd move the planning stuff to the bottom, put the agenda with links at the top. missed it the first time. [09:27:39] jtgorman_ | hmmm...if it's October it falls into the next fiscal year, which means I'll have to miss code4lib again...unless I want to pay out of pocket ... [09:27:39] rsinger | isnt it usually scheduled around canadian thanksgiving? [09:27:40] jtgorman_ | :( [09:27:44] dchud | jjtuttle: without access, we wouldn't even have a code4lib [09:27:53] edsu | JodiS: can you adjust it? [09:27:56] jjtuttle | access++ [09:27:56] rsinger | vancouver_harbor_cruise++ [09:27:58] * JodiS could do with a cute Canadian public librarian :) [09:28:02] JodiS | edsu: sure [09:28:03] rsinger | in_the_thick_fog++ [09:28:21] jtgorman_ | don't suppose they know where it'll be by July so I can get the plane tickets a couple of months ahead of time... [09:28:25] bess | JodiS: guybrarians++ [09:28:27] dchud | i paid my way here so i could get funding for access [09:28:31] jjtuttle | dchud: Hey, I wasn't knocking access! [09:28:33] * dchud keeps fingers crossed [09:28:36] JodiS | bess: gender not specified :) [09:28:50] dchud | jjtuttle: i am nearly as defensive about access as i am about detroit :P [09:28:51] bess | JodiS: fair enough. :) [09:28:54] JodiS | BigD: I prefer the next one of those :) [09:29:03] jtgorman_ | dchud: yeah, code4lib is probably the cheaper conference, at least for us folks south of the border [09:29:04] anarchivist | one day i'll be able to go to canada [09:29:10] jjtuttle | dchud: in which way does Detroit not suck? [09:29:16] anarchivist | detroit++ [09:29:24] fak3r | jjtuttle: nice pics, mine from PEI http://flickr.com/photos/fak3r/sets/72157607905125892/ [09:29:24] dchud | jjtuttle: you wanna take this outside? :) [09:29:26] rsinger | dchud: speaking of -- i'm wearing my access vancouver t-shirt right now in honor of it being the source of all this [09:29:28] ---| <--- vphill_ [n=chatzill@wsip-70-164-25-29.ri.ri.cox.net] has left #code4lib () [09:29:35] bess | windsor++ [09:29:49] mbklein | bess: My daughter was reading "All-of-a-Kind Family" around the same time I got my job at the BPL. She wanted to know if I was going to be the new Library Lady. [09:29:50] dchud | rsinger: look up [09:29:51] jtgorman_ | jjtuttle: rock music? [09:30:03] bess | mbklein: awwww! [09:30:05] rsinger | artunit++ [09:30:06] jjtuttle | dchud: I'll be out there waiting for you, OK? Oh wait, some of us are too broke to get to Brown! [09:30:14] dchud | jjtuttle: haw! [09:30:19] BigD | i'm wearing my barcamp shirt so ppl will think i'm a hipster [09:30:29] rsinger | dchud: that was in edmonton, right? [09:30:36] dchud | detroit has more than its share of problems, but i remain fiercely loyal [09:30:36] BigD | i've got the hips for sure... [09:30:38] anarchivist | BigD: maybe you need to get some kewl glasses [09:30:45] bess | edmonton++ # E-ville! Represent! [09:30:49] BigD | anarchivist: excellent idea! [09:30:51] jjtuttle | fak3r: You took 1 whole picture at PEI? [09:30:53] dchud | rsinger: that was so long ago i don't remember. but it's from essex, ont [09:30:54] anarchivist | BigD's hips don't lie [09:31:02] fak3r | BigD: don't forget sunglasses in the daytime [09:31:02] rsinger | dchud: well, "duh" [09:31:09] rsinger | dchud: i mean where they were raffled off [09:31:27] dchud | er, that last slide wasn't exactly the four design rules of linked data, was it? [09:31:31] anarchivist | BigD++ [09:31:32] dchud | rsinger: i don't remember [09:31:34] BigD | $8 from home depot, baby [09:31:38] dchud | BigD is stylin' [09:31:56] fak3r | jjtuttle: had more pics, liked the beach ones best [09:32:13] BigD | fak3r: there's one picture on that page [09:32:22] BigD | how can it even be a set? ;) [09:32:24] dchud | they say that to me! both, actually [09:33:14] wtd | Non-information resources are "people and spaceships." I like examples like that. [09:33:47] anarchivist | a kitten is a non-information resource [09:33:57] anarchivist | ugh [09:34:07] anarchivist | now i have to work lolcats into my slides [09:34:10] rsinger | anarchivist: a cute and cuddly and delicious non-information resource [09:34:11] fak3r | BigD: sry, still new to cut/pasting hows this? http://flickr.com/photos/fak3r/sets/72157607905125892/ [09:34:23] dchud | anarchivist: no, you don't. really, you don't. [09:34:29] anarchivist | dchud: :) [09:34:31] dchud | didn't we wear that out in '07? [09:34:31] rsinger | wait, did i say delicious? [09:34:34] BigD | fak3r: still i pic [09:34:39] fak3r | hrmf, how do you scroll up in irissi [09:34:39] jbrinley | rsinger: rightly so [09:34:39] anarchivist | dchud: nevar 4get [09:34:42] ---| <<-- erikhatcher [n=erik@138.210.8.79] has quit () [09:34:50] BigD | maybe i need to add u as a contact [09:35:00] anarchivist | i at least have a picture of a kitten [09:35:02] rsinger | jbrinley: good, i was afraid i left that out [09:35:42] dchud | oh, is that how you say "SIOC"? "shock"? that makes sense. [09:35:47] MrDys | fak3r: shift+pg up? [09:36:01] rsinger | dchud: yeah, it took ian telling me that to know, too [09:36:03] fak3r | BigD: it pulls up my set here. how about http://flickr.com/photos/fak3r/sets/72157607905125892/detail/ [09:36:06] BigD | dchud: i like that pronounciation! [09:36:10] dlovins | @google sioc [09:36:12] zoia | dlovins: Search took 0.18 seconds: sioc -project.org | Semantically-Interlinked Online Communities: ; Semantically-Interlinked Online Communities - Wikipedia, the free ...: ; Southern Illinois Orthopedic Center - SIOC: ; California State Information Officers Council: ; Federal Bureau of Investigation - FBI (2 more messages) [09:36:18] anarchivist | sioc++ [09:36:22] * jbrinley always assumed "psy-ock" [09:36:34] fak3r | BigD: otherwise http://flickr.com/photos/fak3r/ -- PEI 3rd down on the right [09:36:35] * dchud assumed "ess eye oh see" [09:36:37] MrDys | psy_ops++ [09:36:45] BigD | fak3r: nope... add me as a contact? maybe you have a limit to friends only? [09:37:08] lbjay | whew, he was starting to overlap w/ my stuff [09:37:13] jtgorman_ | anarchivist: is it a free mutt kitten that will become like a small cougar but love cuddling your or an expensive pure-bred kitten that will take tons of money to treat some strange, difficult to pin down genetic issues who mostly ignores you? [09:37:20] jtgorman_ | s/love/loves/ [09:37:27] anarchivist | dchud, jbrinley : it's based on gaelic pronunciation, presumably because it was created in ireland [09:37:40] dchud | lbjay: i am kinda counting on all of you to explain things that i skip past rapidly in my slides [09:37:55] dchud | anarchivist: oh, right [09:38:01] BigD | it broke edsu's scripts! [09:38:04] * jtgorman_ latest response to "well, open source is like free kittens!"...kinda "closed source is like pure-bred kittens that costs lot of $$ and have genetic issues" wheee [09:38:11] * jbrinley needs to learn gealic [09:38:14] fak3r | BigD: bah, it was permissions. should be ok now [09:38:36] jbrinley | jtgorman_: but at least it's hypoallergenic! [09:38:39] BillDueber | jbrinley: gaelic??? [09:38:47] pmurray | So, have things gotten started in Providence, or is this just the typical Monday morning chatter? [09:39:00] MrDys | pmurray: oh it's on [09:39:10] jtgorman_ | jbrinley++ [09:39:13] BillDueber | pmurray: Pre-conf sessions [09:39:15] * anarchivist needs to figure out the rdf shit in drupal [09:39:18] dchud | i guess it would be hard to fit Accept: header examples on that slide [09:39:22] * BillDueber is still in beautiful Ann Arbor. [09:39:24] fak3r | pmurray: it's on like donkey kong [09:39:30] jbrinley | anarchivist: I'm hoping there's a breakout on that this afternoon [09:39:44] pmurray | Ah, I just saw reference to "examples on that slide" [09:39:44] anarchivist | jbrinley: there's a good chance there will be i presume [09:39:48] fak3r | jbrinley: anarchivist: I'd be up for that [09:39:53] jtgorman_ | "Doctor, our kitty starts howling uncontrollably when more than three people pet her, what can we do?" [09:39:57] * anarchivist tried to create his foaf file in drupal, but faied [09:40:13] jtgorman_ | "Tell everyone after the third person to go away or take the system down..." [09:40:14] * jbrinley wants to get New York with a web browser [09:40:18] * jtgorman_ does a tap dance [09:40:20] anarchivist | jtgorman_: sounds like what happens when BigD starts taking to me [09:40:31] edsu | dchud: they're there [09:40:40] JodiS | edsu: How's this now? http://wiki.code4lib.org/index.php/LinkedData [09:40:53] dchud | edsu: well there we go then [09:40:57] edsu | JodiS++ [09:42:30] edsu | much nicer [09:42:32] * jtgorman_ pictures hoards of geeks wandering around Providence going to buildings "Are you my meeting place?" [09:42:57] jtgorman_ | when do the pre-confs start? [09:43:00] ---| ---> michaeldb [n=michaeld@CPE0012170da427-CM000a739b087e.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #code4lib [09:43:02] anarchivist | jtgorman_: now [09:43:10] anarchivist | or, they already have [09:43:15] jbrinley | jtgorman_: more specifically, 9:00 EST [09:43:17] fak3r | jtgorman_: -00:42 [09:43:18] jtgorman_ | anarchivist: ok, that's what I would have thought [09:43:40] jtgorman_ | anarchivist: just some of the emails make it sound like people still might be lost [09:43:47] bess | Is there any provision for adding RDF uris to traditional library formats, e.g., marc? [09:43:47] anarchivist | jtgorman_: yeah, one of them moved [09:44:07] jstroop | edsu: am I blocked from the attendees page? I was there earlier this morning, but my name wasn't getting parsed. I fixed, but am not showing up [09:44:09] JodiS | bess: good question [09:44:14] jbrinley | @marc 846 [09:44:16] zoia | jbrinley: unknown tag 846 [09:44:25] anarchivist | bess: yeah, sorta [09:44:25] jbrinley | @marc 856 [09:44:25] zoia | jbrinley: The information needed to locate and access an electronic resource. The field may be used in a bibliographic record for a resource when that resource or a subset of it is available electronically. In addition, it may be used to locate and access an electronic version of a non-electronic resource described in the bibliographic record or a related electronic resource. (1 more message) [09:44:30] fak3r | jstroop: check the last scan - see when it kicked off [09:44:30] bess | I'm thinking that getting the catalogers to add rdf uris to things might solve a lot of our problems with cataloging recent stuff that doesn't have (and is unlikely ever to have) LC authority headings [09:44:37] JodiS | bess: still no way to distinguish various kinds of 856, IIRC [09:44:38] edsu | 856 =~ rdfs:seeAlso # pretty much [09:44:45] JodiS | bess: say more [09:44:52] rsinger | bess: this is one of the things RDA is supposed to be addressing [09:45:12] JodiS | "publishing this data" is really important. who takes responsibility for persistence? [09:45:18] JodiS | LC-- [09:45:25] lbjay | jstroop: what's your uri? [09:45:29] edsu | @uris MARC [09:45:30] mbklein | BigD: re: hipsters (took me a while to find the cartoon I was looking for): http://ohnochriso.blogspot.com/2009/01/cartoon-about-mission.html [09:45:31] zoia | edsu: no equivalent resources found [09:45:35] BillDueber | JodiS: The 856 is way underspecified -- there's no good way (other than local practice / out of bandwidth docs) to determine what type of "thing" the link is pointing to. [09:45:40] edsu | @uri MARC [09:45:42] zoia | edsu: DBpedia has URIs for... 1968 births - http://dbpedia.org/resource/Marc_Anthony; 1887 births - http://dbpedia.org/resource/Marc_Chagall; 1887 births - http://dbpedia.org/resource/Marc_Mitscher; 1947 births - http://dbpedia.org/resource/Marc_Bolan; 1984 births - http://dbpedia.org/resource/Marc-Andr%C3%A9_Fleury; 1957 births - http://dbpedia.org/resource/Marc_Almond; 1970 births - http://dbpedia.org/resource/Marc_Rosset; 1st (1 more message) [09:45:47] edsu | d'oh :) [09:45:52] jstroop | lbjay: http://anearalone.com/foaf.rdf#me [09:45:53] fak3r | jstroop: last run was 9:41 [09:45:59] mjg_ | @uri shitty data format [09:46:01] zoia | mjg_: An error has occurred and has been logged. Please contact this bot's administrator for more information. [09:46:21] mbklein | edsu: "...and THAT, class, is why we need URIs instead of just names." [09:46:28] rsinger | bess: rob styles has been working on this [09:46:29] royt | BillDueber: exactly, see [09:46:36] lbjay | jstroop: ok, i added you [09:46:41] jstroop | fak3r: yeah, I see. I made changes much earlier [09:46:47] fak3r | jstroop: I can see it, validates [09:46:47] jstroop | lbjay: thanks [09:46:59] dchud | can't we assume that 856u is implicit linking to a web 'resource' [09:47:03] rsinger | bess: i have too, but it's in my 10% time... thus unrealized [09:47:40] bess | rsinger: do you have a link to recommend about Rob's work? Or should I just google? I remember he gave a talk about rdf last year, but it wasn't on my radar much yet. And he had a code4lib journal article too, right? [09:47:48] zoia | New news from planetcode4lib: del.icio.us: The Code4Lib Journal - COLUMN: We Love Open Source Software. No, You Can't Have Our Code [09:48:01] ---| ---> Janusman [n=chatzill@200.23.146.254] has joined #code4lib [09:48:01] rsinger | bess: no, the article never materialized [09:48:06] dchud | i have an answer to this question in my slides [09:48:07] ---| ---> dbs [n=dan@pdpc/supporter/active/dbs] has joined #code4lib [09:48:10] Janusman | buenos dias all [09:48:13] rsinger | bess: never got past his editor or something [09:48:18] edsu | dchud: i think so [09:48:26] jbrinley | bess: but he did publish something else earlier (I don't remember where or when) [09:48:35] fak3r | dchud: distibuted network, caching data... [09:48:36] rsinger | bess: hang on, i have his preprint, i think [09:48:41] edsu | dchud: i played with creating links between records and tocs at lc a bit [09:48:45] bess | rsinger++ [09:48:50] BillDueber | UMich, in fact, has a policy of *throwing away* any 856u that isn't to full text. So, author pages, ToCs, etc. -- all gone. Ugh! [09:49:07] dchud | so if an 856u points to a web page that does linked-data style link-@rels, isn't that ideal? [09:49:11] BillDueber | royt++ # 856 analysis [09:49:20] anarchivist | charper++ [09:49:25] lbjay | iand++ [09:49:26] fak3r | no clapping allowed? [09:49:31] edsu | iand++ [09:49:33] anarchivist | fak3r++ [09:49:36] dchud | it's a little early for loud noises [09:49:40] BillDueber | dchud: Well, "ideal" would be being able to specify within the record what those thigns are, not having to create a web page to do that for us. [09:49:41] anarchivist | iand++ [09:50:09] MrDys | iand++ [09:50:20] mjg_ | charper++ # "an endless half-hour about nothing", awesome. [09:50:21] dchud | BillDueber: imho ideal would be if the page with the record itself were a linked data page [09:50:34] dlovins | "blathering about nothing" [09:50:34] royt | BillDueber: right, and if that is done consistently it might work. see [09:50:51] fak3r | jstroop: ok, I added http://anearalone.com/foaf.rdf#me to my foaf, let's see if it gets picked up next crawl [09:50:52] Janusman | has anyone made the opac itself be an rdf store? [09:51:00] mbklein | "Prefconf"++ [09:51:12] Janusman | or am I on pot? [09:51:12] dbs | BillDueber: some people here wanted me to strip non-fulltext 856's because Unicorn just shows "URL" for any 856u; fortunately I won that battle with the promise of a better system [09:51:13] Janusman | =) [09:51:14] jstroop | fak3r: thanks! [09:51:20] dchud | hrm, maybe i'll try to hack that into FBO today. if gsf hasn't already done that. [09:51:33] fak3r | jstroop: np, I just learned this last week too [09:51:38] Janusman | dbs: hah! love that "url" link =) [09:51:38] lbjay | good thing i'm following him then [09:51:40] BillDueber | dbs++ # for fighting (and winning) the good right [09:51:43] BillDueber | s/right/fight [09:51:45] edsu | edsu-- [09:51:55] JodiS | Could somebody ask iand to add his slides to http://wiki.code4lib.org/index.php/LinkedData [09:52:00] JodiS | <-- broken record [09:52:04] mbklein | dchud: Is "...if gsf hasn't already done that" one of those great passive aggressive ways to get gsf to do something? ;) [09:52:21] royt | JodiS++ [09:52:22] rsinger | bess: hold that karma, i haven't found it yet :) [09:52:22] dchud | mbklein: haw! i didn't mean it to be, but, yeah, i guess it might :) [09:52:29] anarchivist | mbklein: i usually use that construction with edsu [09:52:29] mbklein | JodiS++ # fighting for persistence [09:52:41] bess | here we go, this is exactly what I was wondering about [09:52:43] JodiS | dchud: wtf is a web 'resource'? [09:52:47] JodiS | persistence++ [09:52:58] mbklein | anarchivist: "...if edsu hasn't already talked gsf into doing that"? [09:53:02] * jtgorman_ looks at a email talking about how horrible it is that the Wall Street Journal is closing its internal library [09:53:21] jtgorman_ | with the phrase..."How do the "bean counters" in accounting think the journalists do their research?" [09:53:34] dchud | is it really true that dspace still, in 2009, doesn't speak marc? [09:53:46] MrDys | dchud: it speaks DC [09:53:54] edsu | i don't think dspace even installs :) [09:53:59] mbklein | jtgorman_: Google [09:54:00] anarchivist | edsu++ [09:54:01] ---| ---> Mike [n=mw_park@wsip-70-164-25-33.ri.ri.cox.net] has joined #code4lib [09:54:01] dchud | yeah, but - there are plugins for using other formats, right? [09:54:05] fak3r | edsu++ [09:54:12] mjg_ | JodiS: the usual answer is a web resource is something you HTTP GET and receive an HTTP 200 response for, or something. [09:54:18] jtgorman_ | ummm, they're journalist. Honestly, they should be able to do their own research. I mean, hopefully most of their research is primary source, with using some existing resources like ebsco etc [09:54:23] JodiS | mjg_: yeah, so what. [09:54:29] JodiS | mjg_: that's like "this is a piece of paper" [09:54:30] mbklein | edsu: That would be funny if it didn't make me cry. [09:54:32] jtgorman_ | if they're all waiting for librarians, that's a heck of a bottle neck [09:54:35] ---| User: *** Mike is now known as Guest90335 [09:54:41] JodiS | mjg_: I don't care about the format, I care about the content (in this case) [09:54:43] * anarchivist never waits for librarians [09:54:43] * mjg_ chucksle [09:54:47] JodiS | e.g.: ToC, full-text, ... [09:54:54] edsu | great metacrap question -- who asked that? [09:55:08] dchud | jtgorman_: comparative advantage means journalists source, verify and write, and librarians support the research phase of all of those. in theory. [09:55:18] dchud | or at least "traditionally" [09:55:41] fak3r | MARC format -- [09:55:53] jtgorman_ | dchud: yeah, I suspect it breaks down though...too few librarians and the ones that are there don't really perform much better than the journalists themselves [09:56:00] dchud | bah. for a 40+ year old format, MARC still kicks ass. [09:56:01] JodiS | problem with MARC is that it's not just a format. it's also a content standard. And more than that, no? [09:56:09] JodiS | dchud: indeed [09:56:14] bess | it doesn't need to be either-or [09:56:31] bess | you could still catalog in marc and expose authority records in rdf. those things aren't mutually exclusive, right? [09:56:33] mjg_ | JodiS: yeah, I didn't catch the context of the conversation. just kind of barged in. :) [09:56:35] fak3r | dchud: guess I just need it to be converted so it can be more open/interlopable [09:56:38] ---| ---> benliles [n=benliles@wsip-70-164-25-98.ri.ri.cox.net] has joined #code4lib [09:56:38] anarchivist | dchud: it kicks ass in the same way that pdp-11s kick ass [09:56:41] jtgorman_ | dchud: I mean, I could see where it could be a great combination, but I'm not convinced that WSJ quality is radically going to drop with the removal of librarias either [09:56:47] mbklein | mjg_: Go look for a non- reference to yourself in http://michael.is.outoffoc.us/michael/foaf.rdf#me :) [09:56:49] MrDys | anarchivist: for playing Adventure? [09:56:49] dchud | i'm with bess. the more formats for more purposes, the better [09:56:53] anarchivist | MrDys++ [09:56:53] lbjay | lbjay-- # pre-emptive for when i stand up and shout "amen, brother!" [09:56:56] JodiS | mjg_: always barge in! :) Just saying, 856 isn't what we need it to be. as royt's been saying for years... [09:56:58] fak3r | anarchivist++ for pdp comment [09:56:59] ---| User: *** Janusman is now known as Janusman_away [09:57:06] anarchivist | "take 245" [09:57:07] ---| ---> cazzerson [n=cazzerso@wsip-70-164-25-24.ri.ri.cox.net] has joined #code4lib [09:57:08] * jtgorman_ figures most journalists will do a check w/ lexis nexis, maybe ebsco... [09:57:31] mbklein | dchud: Sounds like a call for more unapi-ification. [09:57:35] JodiS | dchud: was in a great room at ASIST, with memories of Henriette Avram and others [09:57:38] * dchud grumbles something about making that argument in 2001 about dspace [09:57:48] JodiS | dchud; what argument? [09:57:48] fak3r | mjg_: unapi ftw, got a drupal port going? [09:57:50] dchud | mbklein: i dunno about that [09:57:52] edsu | http://minds.wisconsin.edu/handle/1793/31735 [09:57:54] * dlovins thinks authorities as linked data is a cool topic. Why say "an endless half hour about nothing?" [09:57:56] * jbrinley figures most journalists write what they want and rely on the editors to fact check (and the editors rely on the journalists to fact check) [09:58:05] jtgorman_ | dchud: I have to wonder if the librarians looked at all the settlements/court cases/costs for when a journalist has printed a mistake or bad info and demonstrated they had not used the library in those cases [09:58:12] mjg_ | edsu++ [09:58:12] anarchivist | dlovins: charper's just being self-deprecating [09:58:14] jtgorman_ | jbrinley: yeah, that sounds about right [09:58:14] ---| <<-- Guest90335 [n=mw_park@wsip-70-164-25-33.ri.ri.cox.net] has quit (Client Quit) [09:58:16] anarchivist | dlovins: he's a smart dude [09:58:25] dchud | jtgorman_: which "the librarians" ? [09:58:26] ---| ---> DHahn [i=DHahn@pptp-0012.vpn.tamu.edu] has joined #code4lib [09:58:26] mjg_ | fak3r: can't say I do, sadly [09:58:28] anarchivist | dlovins: one of my favorite colleagues in the ny area [09:58:31] ---| ---> mpark [n=mpark@wsip-70-164-25-33.ri.ri.cox.net] has joined #code4lib [09:58:36] jtgorman_ | dchud: that work at WSJ ;) [09:58:39] JodiS | dchud: my main beef with MARC is that it's used to refer to multiple things (content, format). So it's hard to talk about changing the data exchange format w/o riling up the "metadata = Dublin Core = useless" [09:58:41] mbklein | RIP lcsh.info [09:58:52] fak3r | mjg_: how hard would it be? I'd like to take a closer look at the WP plugin, it 'just works' on my site [09:59:00] * anarchivist pours some on the curb 4 his dead linked data homies [09:59:03] JodiS | mbklein: see, I'm not sure "peace" is what's called for there [09:59:27] mjg_ | fak3r: hard for me to say not knowing drupal very well, but the wp plugin is pretty dumb and simple. [09:59:41] jbrinley | mjg_, fak3r: I might look into porting it soon [09:59:49] fak3r | mjg_: sounds like something I could try [09:59:54] jbrinley | mjg_, fak3r: or would be interested in collaborating on it [10:00:02] fak3r | jbrinley: cool, I'd like to take a look at it...yes [10:00:07] anarchivist | mjg_, fak3r, jbrinley: me too [10:00:22] MrDys | what about something like MusicBrainz? how is that less authoritative than these initiatives? [10:00:23] ---| User: *** Janusman_away is now known as Janusman [10:00:25] jtgorman_ | JodiS: one of my main beefs is the term is used to describe formats that are not compatible... ;) [10:00:26] anarchivist | someone turn off the crickets, yo [10:00:36] bess | MusicBrainz++ [10:00:40] mjg_ | crickets: ALWAYS ON [10:00:40] mbklein | JodiS: How about "lcsh.info is dead! Long live lcsh.info!" [10:00:49] JodiS | mbklein++ #I like that one :) [10:00:50] fak3r | MrDys: good question, I think it's just a matter of jumping in, first one in rules [10:00:51] jtgorman_ | JodiS: rather like when someone gives me an "XML" file with no more description than that [10:00:52] BigD | mpark left me at the airport [10:00:54] JodiS | mbklein: if only [10:00:59] anarchivist | MrDys: it's not, which is the point that charper is kinda skipping oer [10:01:03] anarchivist | BigD: i would too [10:01:06] * fak3r liked the crickets sound, again pls? [10:01:38] dlovins | anarchavist: I just think it's unhelpful, rhetorically speaking, to encourage people to tune out. [10:01:45] anarchivist | dlovins: i agree [10:01:53] jtgorman_ | JodiS: although at least usually "XML" files parse so I can run some scripts to try to analyze it...the "MARC" files times don't even parse using the common MARC standards to be annoying. [10:01:59] anarchivist | MrDys: http://www.scharffe.fr/presentations/minerva-workshop-semantics-in-the-easaier-freamwork.pdf [10:02:09] JodiS | edsu++ #was looking for that authorities link [10:02:15] dlovins | anarchavist: I'm sure he's a great colleague though. I need to get to know him better. [10:02:17] mbklein | What's charper's job @ NYPL? [10:02:24] anarchivist | mbklein: not at NYPL, at NYU [10:02:32] anarchivist | mbklein: metadata services librarian i think is his title [10:02:50] dlovins | Do people at NYPL really pronounce the acronym as "nipple"? [10:02:52] mbklein | anarchivist: Oops. I knew that, my fingers just automatically go to "PL" after typing "NY" [10:02:56] anarchivist | mbklein: he gathered a bunch of people together at a bar a week and a half ago for "unix time" [10:02:58] dchud | there's something in charper's manner of speaking that makes me tune in and pay close attention [10:02:59] mjg_ | Metacrap Librarian [10:03:01] JodiS | integrating "on the fly" is not a phrase I'd use with catalogers. "integrating programmatically" maybe [10:03:01] mbklein | dlovins++ [10:03:07] anarchivist | dlovins: sometimes :) [10:03:12] * anarchivist is a complicated format [10:03:20] JodiS | though, we need MLS to mean you understand what "programmatically" means [10:03:22] MrDys | anarchivist++ awesome [10:03:22] * JodiS weeps [10:03:22] jbrinley | JodiS++ # good distinction [10:03:29] anarchivist | dlovins: hey, we should actually meet, seeing as tho we're both on that RLG working group together [10:03:32] MrDys | anarchivist: seems academic, but awesome nonetheless [10:03:40] mjg_ | charper++ [10:03:42] anarchivist | MrDys: yeah, it's really awesome [10:03:50] dchud | nicely done! [10:04:02] JodiS | charper: don't hate your audience. it's not nice. I'm with dlovins on that one (I think) [10:04:07] dlovins | anarchavist: See you at the coffee break? [10:04:26] anarchivist | dlovins: sure [10:04:28] JodiS | MrDys: do you contribute to MusicBrainz? [10:04:39] MrDys | JodiS: I have, yes [10:04:43] * jtgorman_ pictures charper yelling like a drill sarg now [10:04:53] * anarchivist hopes MrDys does a talk next year called "insane in the MusicBrainz" [10:04:56] JodiS | dchud: he's got great vocal quality. also good things to say. [10:05:17] jbrinley | MrDys, anarchivist: or a lightning talk later this week [10:05:19] * JodiS hopes MrDys does a lightning talk about MusicBrainz [10:05:23] dchud | JodiS: two great tastes that taste great together [10:05:30] JodiS | :) [10:05:51] jtgorman_ | insane_in_the_musicbrainz++ [10:05:56] BigD | anarchivist: didn't everyone go to a bar for 1234567890 day? [10:06:11] anarchivist | BigD: yeah, charper organized it [10:07:00] anarchivist | BigD: that night was pretty amazing - i had one of my first quintessentially new york experiences that night [10:07:04] dchud | funny, there's no 'h' in psycinfo [10:07:05] * anarchivist puked on the subway on the way home [10:07:22] mjg_ | good times. [10:07:25] mbklein | anarchivist: That *is* quintessentially New York! [10:07:34] anarchivist | mbklein: i know! [10:07:34] rsinger | anarchivist: i really am very proud of you [10:07:54] anarchivist | rsinger: yeah, you and royt seemed to really appreciate that [10:08:15] anarchivist | apparently i called one of my friends twice to ask how to get back to brooklyn when i left the bar [10:08:34] dchud | bess++ [10:09:00] anarchivist | even though i was near the W 4th stop which is totally easy to get to [10:09:35] ---| <<-- Janusman [n=chatzill@200.23.146.254] has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) [10:09:48] rsinger | i fear and loathe trains that didn't even exist when i lived there [10:09:52] jbrinley | algorhythms++ [10:09:52] cazzerson | fun. My first New York experience involved (drunkenly) leaving my wallet in a cab, only to have it show up in my parents' mailbox 6 weeks later. [10:09:58] mjg_ | algorhythms! [10:10:13] bess | algorhythms: oh, that's the perfect name for an rdf-crawler for music branz [10:10:15] rsinger | math_rock [10:10:19] anarchivist | bess++ [10:10:21] rsinger | @uri math rock [10:10:22] MrDys | rsinger++ [10:10:22] zoia | rsinger: DBpedia has URIs for... Alternative music - http://dbpedia.org/resource/Math_rock [10:10:23] * jbrinley always thinks "Al Gore" Rhythms when he sees "algorithm" [10:10:26] mjg_ | @band add Algorhythms [10:10:26] zoia | mjg_: Band 'Algorhythms' added to list [10:10:29] fak3r | math_rock++ [10:10:50] mbklein | @google algorhythm [10:10:53] zoia | mbklein: Search took 0.20 seconds: Algorhythm Records: ; algorhythm: ; Algorhythm - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: ; Algorhythm: ; AlgoRhythm Technologies: ; YouTube - algorhythm's Channel: (2 more messages) [10:11:01] edsu | looks like the network isn't routing http traffic not on port 80? [10:11:17] ---| ---> Janusman [n=chatzill@200.23.146.254] has joined #code4lib [10:11:26] MrDys | did we ever figure out what charper's position is at NYU? [10:11:32] JodiS | Are there any copy catalogers here? Does Corey's approach seem good enough? I hear that some libraries are very choosy about the people they get data from. [10:11:37] rsinger | MrDys: metadata librarian [10:11:50] anarchivist | shit, this keeps reminding me that i need to bug people at the met about submitting a joint session for DC2009 [10:11:53] * dchud holds breath [10:11:53] * jbrinley manages copy catalogers for a year [10:12:05] dchud | "how do we make use of this" [10:12:06] JodiS | Would rather Corey talk about FOAF for trust profiles for where you pull data from [10:12:19] JodiS | again, control=good in cataloging world [10:12:30] BigD | anarchivist: sorry, i'm having cog dis trying to listen and keep up. congrats on puking! ? ;) [10:12:35] anarchivist | JodiS: see, this is more interesting to me in terms of cataloging "unique" materials like rare books or archival collections [10:12:36] bess | JodiS: we've been fighting this battle. At UVA they're getting a lot more willing to consider non-traditional data sources the more short-staffed they get. One silver lining of the economic collapse? [10:12:39] rsinger | JodiS: why couldn't our same structures exist? [10:12:40] anarchivist | BigD++ [10:12:53] JodiS | rsinger: sure. same structures [10:13:00] edsu | bess: yeah i think so [10:13:05] dlovins | Al-Khwarizmi++ [10:13:06] rsinger | JodiS: e.g. a very large quasi non-profit entity "blessing" the data? [10:13:10] JodiS | rsinger: I'm talking about the way we talk about this [10:13:15] mjg_ | man, I wish I were cool enough to puke. [10:13:19] mbklein | MrDys: "Metadata Services Librarian", according to http://library.nyu.edu/about/department.html#technicalsvcs [10:13:21] bess | JodiS: e.g., maybe we could grab data from IMDB instead of actually watching every single film ourselves and writing 100% original description [10:13:32] JodiS | bess: we already do. just usually by hand [10:13:52] JodiS | rsinger: want it to be clear to catalogers that YOU CAN KEEP CONTROL. explain that there are technological ways to do that [10:13:56] bess | JodiS: we don't yet, but our music librarians are very excited about dbpedia and music brainz [10:13:57] rsinger | bess: or, have nightly "movie nights" in the library and crowdsource it from the twitter backchannel [10:14:10] fak3r | lost slides: it's always in the last place you look [10:14:18] JodiS | corey_harper-- #good things to say, would be even better with attention to presentation skills [10:14:22] dchud | ...and then in october 2008, major portions of the LOD cloud were nationalized, and sold to goldman sachs... [10:14:25] bess | JodiS: and our video catalogers are getting more excited as they feel more pressure to be able to catalog new acquisitions quickly. [10:14:29] * lbjay is going to show that graph too. nobody panic. [10:14:36] * dchud too [10:14:40] bess | rsinger++ # great idea! [10:14:46] MrDys | bess: go with freebase. IMDB is a pain to scrape and freebase is consuming most IMDB data anyway [10:14:49] JodiS | anarchivist: want to hear more about unique materials... how does copy cataloging help then. oh... you must mean something else... [10:14:51] * JodiS is confused [10:14:58] MrDys | (which is actaully what I'm going to talk about on wednesday) [10:14:59] JodiS | bess: glad to hear that [10:15:03] bess | MrDys++ # going off to look at freebase [10:15:12] anarchivist | JodiS: yeah, copycataloging doesn't but there are certain data elements that can/should be shared [10:15:14] JodiS | rsinger++ [10:15:30] anarchivist | JodiS: like, say, biographical information about creators of archival collections [10:15:40] JodiS | anarchivist: ok, that makes PLENTY of sense [10:15:48] mbklein | freebase++ # especially with parallax [10:16:16] JodiS | jbrinley: "how to talk to catalogers" would be a really useful topic, for me [10:16:26] rsinger | JodiS: so let's just say "untrusted sources" are used for augmentation [10:16:26] ---| ---> akorphan [i=46a4190c@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-4257bffe5974d2d9] has joined #code4lib [10:16:31] anarchivist | JodiS: yeah, basically every institution will want to write their own bios, but they shoudn't have to and they should be able to interrelate them [10:16:42] jbrinley | JodiS: I never quite figured it out, to be honest [10:16:49] ---| <<-- mpark [n=mpark@wsip-70-164-25-33.ri.ri.cox.net] has quit ("ChatZilla 0.9.84 [Firefox 3.0.6/2009011913]") [10:17:01] fak3r | oh, so now we can clap? [10:17:02] mjg_ | the room wakes up at 10:15am [10:17:03] dchud | why was everyone afraid to clap? [10:17:04] JodiS | odd that I hadn't run into http://rdvocab.info/Elements.rdf before [10:17:06] dchud | i will clap. [10:17:07] rsinger | JodiS: but you're beginning to see sources like wikipedia begin to be 'accepted' [10:17:09] BigD | JodiS: or just wait a few years and they'll all be gone? ;) [10:17:11] mjg_ | my hands are still drunk. [10:17:16] akorphan | Clapping has occurred. [10:17:16] rsinger | dchud: the lone, sarcastic clap? [10:17:33] fak3r | rsinger: that slow clap. . . [10:17:33] akorphan | I missed most of that presentation trying to get on IRC. [10:17:33] anarchivist | swedes++ [10:17:34] mbklein | rsinger: CLAP.....CLAP.....CLAP [10:17:39] fak3r | akorphan: nice [10:17:43] BigD | dchud: we all broke our hands [10:18:01] fak3r | dchud: I'm shaking with my left hand tonight [10:18:08] ---| ---> scolford [i=8a10400b@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-83a2c49ef11560ab] has joined #code4lib [10:18:15] bess | MrDys: I'm very much looking forward to your talk. Freebase looks awesome. I'm intrigued and I wish to learn more. [10:18:15] dchud | fak3r: perfect! [10:18:22] JodiS | BigD: no, we need catalogers and cataloging. The "going away" joke just causes misunderstanding, retrenchment, ... [10:18:55] MrDys | bess: I'll try to make it interesting [10:19:11] BigD | JodiS: are you calling me insensitive? i've heard that word... could you define it for me? ;) [10:19:17] ---| <<-- chickmarkley [n=chickmar@m0e0f36d0.tmodns.net] has quit () [10:19:18] zoia | New news from planetcode4lib: Zimmerman, Peter: “In tough times, creative pursuits stage a revival” || del.icio.us: wiki.dbpedia.org : About [10:19:32] JodiS | BigD: :P [10:19:46] rsinger | JodiS: i guess i think it's a much better use of resources to use catalogers to find and vet resources rather than copy catalog, don't you? [10:19:48] BigD | JodiS: yes, we need excellent cataloging. we don't need 400 excellent cataloging depts [10:20:16] JodiS | rsinger: yes, but WE STILL NEED CATALOGERS [10:20:18] lbjay | rsinger: you should make robcaSSon switch seats with you. apparently he's really sick. [10:20:44] * robcaSSon already licked the coffee spout [10:20:52] anarchivist | robcaSSon++ [10:21:09] * rsinger goes to refill cup! [10:21:29] bess | BigD: I disagree. We do need 400 excellent cataloging departments. We do NOT need 400 excellent cataloging departments whose output is only used by their local institution. Librarians are good at describing resources and organizing concepts, and they should be doing it in public, not only in library institutions. [10:21:48] fak3r | bess++ [10:21:52] rsinger | JodiS: i don't argue with that -- assuming they're going to be used more than t0rr3nt drones [10:21:54] JodiS | FRBR count: 2 [10:21:56] mbklein | JodiS: So what's the best way to get the old-school catalogers (as a group -- I understand individuals vary) to understand and accept that they need to move out of their comfort zones to avoid being left behind, without making them feel like they're being left behind anyway? I haven't found that sweet spot yet. [10:22:00] bess | If we ever truly get the semantic web it's going to be because all the catalogers are unleashed on the larger web [10:22:04] BigD | bess: i agree with all of that except 400 [10:22:17] JodiS | mbklein: "talking to catalogers"? [10:22:22] jbrinley | mbklein: use pictures of kittens? [10:22:25] lbjay | where is jrock? [10:22:34] JodiS | mbklein: understand their perspective, what they do, why they are comfortable? [10:22:39] jbrinley | lbjay: sleeping in, I think [10:22:45] MrDys | lbjay: yeah he's sleepin [10:22:58] JodiS | mbklein: find what motivates them? tech people mind being "left behind". Most others expect it. [10:22:59] fak3r | I think just a matter of using oai and such is what needs to happen - start sharing, if others follow - good [10:23:02] JodiS | sleep++ [10:23:03] bess | mbklein: find a carrot. For me that's been "hey you know how everyone complains that you take a month to catalog a new video? What if we could shorten that and let you focus only on genuinely weird stuff?" [10:23:04] mbklein | JodiS: And I've tried. I talk to our tech. services people a LOT about how to make our cataloging practices more relevant to the web services we're trying to provide. They act like I'm there to poke them with sharp objects. [10:23:10] MrDys | lbjay: he'll be at the zotero session in the afternoon [10:23:18] JodiS | mbklein: try feathers next time [10:23:33] mbklein | JodiS: But I *didn't* bring any sharp objects! [10:23:46] lbjay | @dunno add try feathers next time [10:23:46] JodiS | mbklein: maybe your shadow had them :) [10:23:48] zoia | lbjay: The operation succeeded. Dunno #297 added. [10:23:58] akorphan | has anyone thought through linked data use cases beyond "let's accrue all the information we can and see what comes up"? [10:23:58] zoia | akorphan: turn it up! [10:24:02] JodiS | bess: "partnering with catalogers" would be a nice lightning talk [10:24:03] fak3r | mbklein: go around them? (not that I'd condone that) [10:24:07] mbklein | bess: I think you've just nailed the difference between academic librarians and civil servant librarians. [10:24:07] akorphan | (not meant as a criticism) [10:24:10] JodiS | akorphan: good question! [10:24:19] JodiS | akorphan: and you're not the only one to ask that [10:24:50] akorphan | I used to teach at a high school, and I was thinking to myself, how would I make this kind of thing useful to my former students? [10:24:53] BigD | bess: i rescind my objection to 400 if you apply smart catalogers to the entire web! [10:24:54] akorphan | THen I started wondering what "useful" meant. [10:24:59] lbjay | @dunno add your query has been filtered by my metacrap detector [10:24:59] MrDys | huh. I didn't realize that MusicBrainz deprecated their RDF webservice... [10:25:00] zoia | lbjay: The operation succeeded. Dunno #298 added. [10:25:13] bess | MrDys: what? They did? That's not good. [10:25:28] jtgorman_ | MrDys: Are they replacing it with something? [10:25:30] MrDys | bess: they have their own XML format...so you could transform it, but it's not native RDF anymore [10:25:37] MrDys | http://musicbrainz.org/ws/1/release/d1bdfdbd-d51a-4bcd-b6ca-67d114d3560f?type=xml&inc=url-rels+artist-rels [10:25:40] fak3r | MrDys: strange, why? [10:25:59] mbklein | Wait...Once all the information is machine readable, what will they need us for? [10:26:06] MrDys | "The RDF Web Service predates the term Web Service and was developed before best practices for Web Services had been established. Consequently the Web Service is not as coherent, concise and easy to use as the XML Web Service." [10:26:12] fak3r | mbklein: that's why I run servers ;) [10:26:14] JodiS | love it when people admit the rough edges to their work in progress. keeping_it_real++ [10:26:28] wickr | is something like Freebase taking in the musicbrainz data? I know that Last.fm/AS is using it, but it's unclear if there's much two-way sharing [10:26:36] akorphan | Some day the self-aware RDF aggregators will rise up and conquer their human masters. [10:26:45] MrDys | wickr: I believe it is [10:26:45] JodiS | akorphan: what does "useful" mean, do you think? [10:26:46] lbjay | "Please feel my rough edges" [10:26:53] fak3r | wickr: that's what I don't see, the two way so that data could/would be mirrored automcatically [10:26:53] JodiS | lbjay-- [10:26:55] anarchivist | poster.xpi++ [10:26:55] akorphan | That's the question. I'm not sure. [10:27:05] anarchivist | my ruff edges: let me show u dem [10:27:07] akorphan | To a student: maybe something that would help facilitate research for a term paper? [10:27:09] fak3r | 404, rough edges, this is not pretty, sorry about this.. [10:27:11] cazzerson | akorphan: this all does seem like prime material for some genetic algorithms... [10:27:12] * mbklein throws candy wrappers at the back of lbjay's head [10:27:15] MrDys | wickr: http://www.freebase.com/view/user/mwcl_musicbrainz [10:27:16] akorphan | or get study information for calculus [10:27:34] mbklein | 5059476++ [10:27:34] JodiS | akorphan: "only connect" is one aphorism. pulling in info to make humans not have to go looking... [10:27:37] fak3r | ooo, big drop shadow! how high up is that term? [10:27:38] MrDys | wickr: the bot probably needs rewritten [10:28:07] JodiS | "semantic web agent" [10:28:34] lbjay | again, i'll be showing this same example [10:28:42] thePersonForm | d [10:28:45] akorphan | JodiS: The main use case I am thinking of is the ability to pull things together. But does the presence of an ontology suggest other modes of use for people like high school students? [10:28:49] dchud | akorphan: i'd like to think my 12pm talk will describe some other use cases [10:28:50] BigD | what's a [10:28:59] dchud | you tell me :) [10:29:02] rsinger | and this, ladies and gentlemen, is why the semantic web just doesn't work [10:29:09] anarchivist | rsinger-- [10:29:10] akorphan | dchud: Ooh, sounds good. [10:29:15] mbklein | BigD: It's on the room service menu right after the Reddi Whip. [10:29:16] cazzerson | maybe a linked data graph can be leveraged to assign reputation scores to web resources [10:29:20] anarchivist | mbklein-- [10:29:31] JodiS | akorphan: an ontology presumes that somebody has organized the info in a way that makes sense to them. insert justification about 'cognitive theory' 'place to hang new knowledge' 'framework' etc [10:29:33] bess | rsinger++ # thank you for the article [10:29:36] anarchivist | cazzerson: yeah, the web of trust stuff is pretty fucking fascinating [10:29:45] JodiS | rsinger: "just doesn't work"? or "doesn't just work"? [10:29:49] anarchivist | cazzerson: my guess is that it would make catalogers' heads explode [10:30:00] rsinger | bess: yeah, i hope there's something useful in there [10:30:12] JodiS | anarchivist: I really don't think so [10:30:32] JodiS | anarchivist: there are levels of catalogers for OCLC cataloging [10:30:38] dchud | anarchivist: my guess is that if half this room were full of catalogers, it'd be far more likely that they could explode our heads :P [10:30:46] * dchud flashes on scanners [10:30:47] BigD | JodiS: is it like levels in WoW? [10:30:48] JodiS | exploding_heads-- [10:30:49] * anarchivist is an ex-cataloger [10:30:57] JodiS | BigD: lol [10:31:00] fak3r | jstroop: you're on the list now http://inkdroid.org/c4l2009/attendees [10:31:09] cazzerson | I would be more concerned with small data producers getting marginalized by massively popular/trusted producers [10:31:13] anarchivist | jstroop++ [10:31:15] jbrinley | BigD: yes, very much so [10:31:27] BigD | i have 10000 mp3s and 45000 pictures - so I'm a cataloger [10:31:28] BigD | ;) [10:31:29] JodiS | anarchivist: one straightforward proof of concept would be taking OCLC cataloging levels and transforming that into a FOAF web of trust service [10:31:35] mbklein | BigD: /cast +3 FRBRization Of The Infinite [10:31:41] BigD | fireball! [10:31:47] jbrinley | BigD: you're a level 8 cataloger [10:31:49] anarchivist | JodiS: too bad we can't bug the OCLC people right now about that :) [10:31:58] wickr | lightning bolt! [10:32:12] mbklein | Leeeeeroooy Jeeeeennnnkiiiiins! [10:32:17] cazzerson | jodis: it could eliminate the need for catalogers to leave post-its of unworthy oclc contributors on their cube walls [10:32:18] fak3r | mbklein++ [10:32:18] JodiS | open source project ofr turning ILSs into linked data?! [10:32:19] * anarchivist imagines a cataloging LARP. ugh [10:32:22] MrDys | this preconf needs to end with a symbolic funeral procession for lcsh.info [10:32:35] JodiS | cazzerson: is that real, or a myth? [10:32:35] anarchivist | MrDys: and then a good ol' irish wake [10:32:42] cazzerson | I've seen it [10:32:42] * lbjay continues to massage his slides [10:32:42] * fak3r wants to create his own lcsh.info [10:32:45] anarchivist | JodiS: i've seen it too [10:32:59] akorphan | anarchivist: I think my brain is bleeding. [10:32:59] * lbjay waits for the "rough edges" jokes... [10:33:04] anarchivist | JodiS: in fact, when i worked at pr*q**st we had such a list [10:33:07] mbklein | lbjay: Watch it. You're laying yourself open for another Reddi Whip joke. [10:33:21] fak3r | lib of congress takes it on the chin! [10:33:29] JodiS | anarchivist: I agree with bess. Give catalogers something they already know that they want. [10:33:43] fak3r | ok, everytime the speaker says 'library of congress' we drink [10:33:46] fak3r | coffee [10:33:48] JodiS | "ooh, shiny new technology", "great potential", "keeping up" isn't going to cut it [10:33:58] lbjay | @ana Library of Coffee [10:34:00] zoia | lbjay: Coo! Fiery baffler [10:34:00] JodiS | overcaffinated #c4l09 [10:34:02] anarchivist | JodiS: yeah, i've been talking to some of the archivists about this [10:34:09] mbklein | LOC vs. KBSE: Steel Cage Deathmatch [10:34:12] ---| ---> charper [i=46a4190c@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-67ba37e3fc62f1d8] has joined #code4lib [10:34:14] JodiS | anarchivist: which is why you rock! [10:34:16] fak3r | "take advantage of the linked data cloud" - OK, how ? [10:34:37] jbrinley | @ana LOC vs. KBSE: Steel Cage Deathmatch [10:34:38] akorphan | I wonder if anyone has analyzed the similarities/differences between how catalogers view metadata and how library coders/db jockeys do. [10:34:38] zoia | jbrinley: Toadless vegetable checks [10:34:43] anarchivist | JodiS: i want to bug bradw, who is here this week about getting archivists toolkit to ingest RDF vocabs [10:34:50] BigD | swedish pizza? ew [10:34:57] anarchivist | BigD-- [10:34:59] fak3r | won't work for pizza, but beer and pizza? [10:35:03] JodiS | @quote add "Pizza is below minimum wage." [10:35:04] zoia | JodiS: Error: You must be registered to use this command. If you are already registered, you must either identify (using the identify command) or add a hostmask matching your current hostmask (using the "hostmask add" command). [10:35:10] edsu | should i go up there? i'm afraid of rotten fruit [10:35:25] BigD | anarchivist: bradw's at the oclc preconf [10:35:26] mbklein | BigD: You don't like gravlax on your 'za? [10:35:29] lbjay | akorphan: s/jockey/bullrider/ # I'm 6'3" & 200 lbs [10:35:30] BigD | lozer [10:35:34] anarchivist | BigD: his loss, man [10:35:42] BigD | totally [10:35:48] akorphan | lbjay: Svelte. [10:35:51] BigD | and he's too old to know what IRC is [10:35:53] dchud | edsu: we brought rotten vegetables, so don't worry about the fruit [10:35:55] anarchivist | BigD: hahaha [10:36:00] mbklein | @ana swedish pizza and beer [10:36:01] zoia | mbklein: Prized haze bawdiness [10:36:08] fak3r | blog not very active, way to lead with the positive [10:36:49] JodiS | @quote add "Pizza is below minimum wage." [10:36:50] zoia | JodiS: The operation succeeded. Quote #1714 added. [10:36:56] anarchivist | i wish i was motivated to write a script to crawl the foafs so i could graph interests [10:37:24] mbklein | Tunnel to it, edsu! [10:37:46] akorphan | re: foaf: I'm just never sure how web accessible I really want to be. [10:37:47] anarchivist | sensible? us government? [10:37:48] mbklein | If you can get out on port 22 (which you can from here), you can get to any port you need. [10:38:01] fak3r | mbklein: tunnel via ssh [10:38:03] bess | mbklein++ # I love that trick. [10:38:09] akorphan | though the book raffle is a motivator.... [10:38:10] mbklein | fak3r: Yep. [10:38:20] anarchivist | akorphan: you already are - JodiS made a pretty minimal foaf profile, which is a good example [10:38:31] ---| User: *** gsf is now known as gsf_ [10:38:31] ---| ---> chickmarkley [n=chickmar@m320f36d0.tmodns.net] has joined #code4lib [10:38:33] mbklein | akorphan: Nowhere in the raffle rules does it require your foaf to be *accurate* [10:38:36] JodiS | anarchivist: AT ingesting RDF makes sense [10:38:41] anarchivist | JodiS: i know [10:38:44] akorphan | mbklein: good point. [10:38:55] mbklein | edsü [10:38:55] JodiS | anarchivist: is my profile showing up on the crawl? [10:39:02] akorphan | My frequent shopper card at my local grocery is in the name of "Robert Pensioner" [10:39:04] fak3r | sweedish keyboards can't scale? [10:39:13] mjg_ | "now with more umlauts!" [10:39:22] lbjay | "Where's the @dick key?" [10:39:28] JodiS | @later tell jrochkind Could you please add http://blog.libris.kb.se/semweb/ to the planet? [10:39:28] zoia | JodiS: The operation succeeded. [10:39:29] dchud | wow - piles of washcloths in the bathrooms instead of paper towels. nice. [10:39:36] anarchivist | JodiS: and i'm pushing back on SAA to issue a recently released thesaurus as structured data [10:39:43] ---| User: *** gsf_ is now known as gsf [10:39:45] JodiS | anarchivist: saw that! PDF-- [10:39:51] lbjay | gsf: gsf! [10:39:55] gsf | others having trouble connecting direct to freenode? [10:40:00] akorphan | yes! [10:40:02] gsf | lbjay! [10:40:03] dchud | note to speakers: hide your toolbars [10:40:29] * BigD turns off stumbleupon... [10:40:30] ---| <--- chickmarkley [n=chickmar@m320f36d0.tmodns.net] has left #code4lib () [10:40:44] JodiS | Could somebody ask anders to add his slides to http://wiki.code4lib.org/index.php/LinkedData [10:40:59] BigD | JodiS: do you have a script for that? ;) [10:41:09] shoe | how's wifi at the conference? [10:41:12] JodiS | hey shoe! [10:41:29] BigD | shoe: not bad, but blocks high ports [10:41:29] jbrinley | shoe: not bad (at least for < 50 people at the pre-conf) [10:41:35] JodiS | shoe: you're the linuxlibrarian, right? [10:41:43] BigD | my vpn won't work [10:42:01] anarchivist | BigD: i'm connected to mine - what are you using [10:42:03] JodiS | royt's vpn doesn't work at Brown either, I understand [10:42:06] scolford | wifi at Brown -- not so hot [10:42:12] gsf | ha! first hit on search for "freenode ports": http://blog.benostrowsky.com/2007/02/28/alternate-freenode-port-8000/ [10:42:17] jtgorman_ | BigD: crazy guess, but I'm going to go out on a limb and guess that the wireless network you're on only probably has the default number of vpn connections [10:42:19] BigD | anarchivist: cisco thingy [10:42:20] shoe | JodiS: ah, thanks. no, not linuxlibrarian. :) [10:42:21] jtgorman_ | usually like two [10:42:24] fak3r | dchud: toolbars, yeah, always distracting...what's that moving google thing at the top? [10:42:25] anarchivist | BigD: same here [10:42:26] BigD | if i use the new webvpn, it works [10:42:27] royt | JodiS: right, forced to do webmail :-( [10:42:30] BigD | but it's clunky [10:42:34] fak3r | dchud: can't look away [10:42:43] akorphan | gsf: I tried that too, didn't work. [10:42:43] anarchivist | i'm using port 8000 by default i think [10:42:48] dchud | haw! [10:42:51] dlovins | fak3r: looks like a "triple"? [10:42:59] akorphan | oh. missed the password part. [10:43:00] jtgorman_ | BigD: so to get on vpn you'll have to find the other people using vpn and smash their laptops [10:43:03] fak3r | dlovins: ah! [10:43:13] jbrinley | dchud: I think it's a browser-syncing thing [10:43:33] dlovins | fak3r: But i have no idea what it does. I wish he'd click on it. [10:43:34] akorphan | I can't read that. [10:43:46] akorphan | dark blue on black -- [10:43:48] fak3r | curl ftw! [10:43:51] mbklein | Paramedics of the future: "He's not carrying ID, but there's a FOAF URI tattooed on his arm. Find out who he s and call one of them to meet us at the hospital." [10:43:54] * BigD eyes anarchivist's laptop... where's my hammer? [10:44:01] fak3r | mbklein++ [10:44:58] BigD | after listening to, and meeting edsu, i feel a lot less like punching him in the throat [10:45:03] BigD | for me, that's a compliment. [10:45:07] anarchivist | BigD++ [10:45:21] * royt can't connect via port 8000, even [10:45:28] * mbklein wonders if one of the FOAF-descendant vocabularies defines an emergencyContact field. [10:45:45] dchud | edsu++ # excellent point [10:45:46] JodiS | mbklein: if not, should define one [10:45:59] JodiS | mbklein: I was wondering about "defunct email address" [10:46:08] JodiS | mbklein: was thinking it would be fun to collect mine up [10:46:33] BigD | where's lunch? [10:46:39] dbs | gsf: heh. benostrowsky got my emaill address wrong in that blog post; phew! [10:46:45] JodiS | "The good news: LC wants to put up id.loc.gov. The problem: when???" [10:46:48] jbrinley | BigD: something in the mall? [10:47:02] BigD | JodiS: is it shovel ready? [10:47:07] gsf | dbs: so that's why you get no spam [10:47:10] mbklein | JodiS: An email client that would accept a FOAF URI as an address would be a nice touch. Just look up the mbox. [10:47:20] BigD | jbrinley: is the mall linked inside, or do you have to walk outside? [10:47:20] JodiS | ooh [10:47:31] JodiS | BigD: must wallk outside. Freezing your CA ass off? [10:47:33] akorphan | On one of those W streets (washington, westminster, something) there's a good Cuban place. [10:47:33] jbrinley | BigD: outside, about 1.5 blocks [10:47:35] akorphan | with great milkshakes. [10:47:35] BigD | i've lived in San Diego too long. can't go outside [10:47:39] BigD | ;) [10:47:48] jbrinley | BigD-- # put a coat on [10:47:48] BigD | JodiS: totally [10:47:51] anarchivist | akorphan: that sounds fucking awesome actually [10:47:52] JodiS | restaurant info: http://wiki.code4lib.org/index.php/Conference_Buzz#Eats [10:47:53] BigD | that's why it's so small [10:47:54] BigD | ;) [10:48:01] mbklein | What obstacles DIDN'T you run into? [10:48:03] JodiS | please add recs if they're not there already [10:48:05] fak3r | BigD: I need my coat too...and lunch [10:48:09] akorphan | anarchivist: It's called Cuban Revolution. [10:48:15] akorphan | Assuming it's still open [10:48:29] jtgorman_ | while there's a bunch of geeks gathered... [10:48:35] zoia | New news from planetcode4lib: Bigwood, David: Metadata Remediation Tools || Engard, Nicole: NFAIS 2009: Information Services for the Born Digital Generation || Engard, Nicole: NFAIS 2009: Digital Natives and Traditional Information Resources [10:48:37] jtgorman_ | any recommendations for mp3/media players? [10:48:38] dchud | wooh! [10:48:39] anarchivist | nerds_in_this_room++ [10:48:44] BigD | jbrinley: i did kill a bear and can wear his skin [10:48:45] fak3r | nerds? um, I prefer geeks sir! [10:48:48] jtgorman_ | ideally one that would work with linux [10:48:59] jbrinley | BigD: that's the spirit [10:49:04] dchud | there were a lot of people at LC that really liked this and got it, fwiw. [10:49:07] jtgorman_ | it would be cool if it had some sort of playlist ability [10:49:09] mbklein | akorphan: http://www.thecubanrevolution.com/Locations2%20CR%20New.htm [10:49:11] fak3r | jtgorman_: Banshee [10:49:25] jbrinley | complaining++ [10:49:35] ---| ---> mib_zqv3h4 [i=8a10400b@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-e4a37a5f5d177717] has joined #code4lib [10:49:41] akorphan | mbklein: other people doing the research++ [10:49:44] gsf | so we should write our congresspersons [10:49:45] ---| ---> mib_0lbd1a [i=2308dd82@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-e222c974262137cf] has joined #code4lib [10:49:57] ---| <<-- mib_0lbd1a [i=2308dd82@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-e222c974262137cf] has quit (Client Quit) [10:50:15] ---| ---> sripeep [i=2308dd82@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-96f4ec2d7b31ce1b] has joined #code4lib [10:50:27] BigD | can't that dude just move it to the pirate bay? [10:50:50] dlovins | dchud: Everyone I showed it to at Yale thought lcsh.info was very cool [10:50:52] dchud | i am so glad i got into this program, i hope i can add to this discussion [10:50:53] jtgorman_ | fak3r: is that just a software player? I'm looking for something I can take to listen to podcasts/video casts on the bus/road [10:50:58] JodiS | akorphan: Aborn, I think: http://www.thecubanrevolution.com/ [10:50:58] jtgorman_ | and listen to my music [10:51:05] fak3r | BigD: that's what I was always thinking! [10:51:13] dchud | dlovins: oh yeah? did you demo it in front of a group? [10:51:23] jbrinley | jtgorman_: sounds like you want an iPod [10:51:29] fak3r | jtgorman_: bah, sorry - I have a recent 8gig nano, works great with linux via flooz [10:51:39] dchud | jphipps++ # good story [10:51:43] dlovins | dchud: in front of several groups: IT people, catalogers, managers [10:51:44] gsf | washington_times++ http://opensource.washingtontimes.com/blog/post/coordt/2009/02/washington-times-releases-open-source-projects/ [10:52:16] jtgorman_ | jbrinley: the video would be nice, but not extremely necessary.... [10:52:19] jtgorman_ | jbrinley: and I'm cheap ;) [10:52:37] ---| <--- mib_zqv3h4 [i=8a10400b@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-e4a37a5f5d177717] has left #code4lib () [10:52:38] jbrinley | jtgorman_: find a good contest to win one ;) [10:52:45] dchud | rsinger++ # good question [10:52:46] mbklein | gsf: sweet. [10:52:48] akorphan | jodis, mbklein: I've always pretended that the cross-streets don't exist in Providence. [10:53:19] gsf | rsinger: way to get edsu 'splainin [10:53:21] jtgorman_ | fak3r: flooz? [10:53:24] fak3r | jtgorman_: hit buy.com see if they have last yrs model [10:53:48] akorphan | Isn't flooz the stuff from Pipe Dream? [10:54:08] BigD | some food ideas http://www.yelp.com/search?find_desc=food&find_loc=providence%2C+ri&ns=1&rpp=10#mapCenterLat:41.8270423603/mapCenterLng:-71.4083862305/mapZoom:14/zoomSelected:true/sortby:composite/mapsize:small/show_more_search_options:true [10:54:18] mbklein | gsf: django-projectmgr looks like a friendlier Trac. [10:54:28] dchud | "...my trusty Rosinante moves along the road very well..." [10:54:29] fak3r | jtgorman_: s/flooz/some win/mac/lin itunes replacement... [10:54:42] fak3r | trac-- [10:54:44] gsf | mbklein: not sure what it looks like yet, but yeah, could be [10:54:49] bess | it occurs to me that this is exactly the kind of work that catalogers would be well suited for [10:54:55] ---| <<-- Janusman [n=chatzill@200.23.146.254] has quit ("adios!") [10:55:05] BigD | dchud: when are you talking? did you say noon? [10:55:15] mbklein | gsf: I assume it's the project manager being used to manage the projects they've just released. So just click through on a project and you can see it. :) [10:55:18] dchud | BigD: yep, last in the next block [10:55:25] akorphan | Oh, best sushi in Providence that's reasonably priced: Sakura on Wickenden St. [10:55:37] mbklein | BigD: Bad news. Getting to most of those places will require you to go outside. [10:55:37] akorphan | (which street somehow manages to support four or five sushi placaes) [10:55:40] BigD | dchud: isn't 12-1:30 lunchtime? [10:55:51] BigD | mbklein: i have a transporter [10:55:54] fak3r | jtgorman_: s/flooz/floola/ http://www.floola.com/modules/wiwimod/ [10:56:02] rsinger | actually, i think it doesn't have to be lossy, but it would require more assertions to get to the same place [10:56:04] dchud | 12:30-2 is lunchtime [10:56:10] fak3r | sushi-- [10:56:14] BigD | and i can go outside... i grew up on the prairie ;) [10:56:14] JodiS | bess: integrating/opening up data? [10:56:27] BigD | dchud: gotcha, thanks! didn't want to miss you [10:56:34] anarchivist | wickr: just wrote kate bowers @ harvard back about TUCUA [10:56:40] jbrinley | oh, lunch moved later [10:56:43] MrDys | bah...some freebase newbie is f'ing up my demo [10:56:45] bess | JodiS: yes, and re-imagining SKOS so it maps cleanly to LCSH. [10:56:48] dchud | BigD: you're so sweet [10:57:02] JodiS | bess: that sounds great. and those things need to happen. [10:57:05] gsf | mbklein: oh, right. btw, trac++ [10:57:25] * jbrinley wonders if it would be better to re-imagine LCSH so it maps better to SKOS [10:57:26] BigD | dchud: blood sugar is good. by 12 i'll be evil again [10:57:26] BigD | ;) [10:57:33] JodiS | akorphan: can you add that sushi to http://wiki.code4lib.org/index.php/Conference_Buzz#Eats [10:57:36] bess | jbrinley++ # also a good approach [10:57:37] JodiS | ? [10:57:43] mbklein | Actual suggestion/comment sent to ask@bpl.org: "I love this site! However, there should be an easy way to exit and I can't find it." [10:57:44] fak3r | jbrinley: ya, I'd like to see that [10:57:44] ---| <<-- sripeep [i=2308dd82@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-96f4ec2d7b31ce1b] has quit ("http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client") [10:57:44] ---| <<-- charper [i=46a4190c@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-67ba37e3fc62f1d8] has quit ("http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client") [10:58:00] ---| ---> ranti [i=2308dd82@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-a71b1f6809978fbd] has joined #code4lib [10:58:05] ---| <<-- DHahn [i=DHahn@pptp-0012.vpn.tamu.edu] has quit (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) [10:58:17] ---| ---> DHahn [n=dhahn@138.16.59.175] has joined #code4lib [10:58:25] jtgorman_ | @weather 02907 [10:58:27] zoia | jtgorman_: The current temperature in Cherry Hill, Johnston, Rhode Island is 33.1°F (10:58 AM EST on February 23, 2009). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 44%. Dew Point: 14.0°F. Windchill: 24.8°F. Pressure: 29.71 in 1006.0 hPa (Rising). [10:58:33] * jtgorman_ scratches head [10:58:58] jtgorman_ | @weather Providence RI [10:59:00] zoia | jtgorman_: The current temperature in Cherry Hill, Johnston, Rhode Island is 32.9°F (10:58 AM EST on February 23, 2009). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 44%. Dew Point: 14.0°F. Windchill: 21.2°F. Pressure: 29.71 in 1006.0 hPa (Rising). [10:59:11] akorphan | JodiS: done and done. [10:59:20] JodiS | akorphan++ [10:59:28] jtgorman_ | @weather 61801 [10:59:30] zoia | jtgorman_: The current temperature in South Urbana, Urbana, Illinois is 22.8°F (9:40 AM CST on February 23, 2009). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 70%. Dew Point: 14.0°F. Windchill: 23.0°F. Pressure: 29.77 in 1008.0 hPa (Steady). [10:59:51] fak3r | back row on the right: someone has a Chumby! [11:00:58] * akorphan knows the area and is happy to provide more lunch recommendations for those with specific interests. Will update wiki upon request. [11:02:18] ---| ---> davidWalker [n=chatzill@cpe-76-176-126-94.san.res.rr.com] has joined #code4lib [11:02:22] cazzerson | decaf only at the coffee table [11:02:36] akorphan | any more of those terrible protein bars? [11:06:14] anarchivist | soybars+- [11:06:35] akorphan | anarchivist: they weren't bad except for the strange floral aftertaste. [11:06:49] akorphan | on top of all the other typical nutrition bar mediocreness. [11:07:05] akorphan | so yeah, +-. [11:07:12] cazzerson | "floral" is kinda generous [11:07:32] jbrinley | grassy, perhaps? [11:07:46] cazzerson | deodoranty [11:07:49] akorphan | more like... hotel-soap scented. [11:08:33] akorphan | not sure if I can make it another 1.5 hrs to lunch [11:10:59] ejk | So which is the offical snarky backchannel of the conference? Twitter or IRC? [11:11:12] jbrinley | I forgot how much attention it takes to keep up with this conference. With presentations and the channel each requiring at least 65% of my attention, little is left for other work. [11:11:21] wickr | ejk: irc [11:11:41] * jbrinley thinks about looking at twitter, but changes his mind [11:11:54] * lbjay is on the podium [11:12:21] * akorphan hasn't been able to make himself care about twitter yet. In the big picture sense. [11:12:32] ---| User: *** jphipps is now known as jphipps|away [11:12:41] jbrinley ah, that's what lbjay looks like [11:13:02] lbjay | aand 5... 4... 3... [11:13:17] jbrinley | now it works [11:14:39] akorphan | lbjay: not so much success with the call to order, I guess. [11:16:43] ---| <<-- MrDys [i=MrDys@wsip-70-164-25-62.ri.ri.cox.net] has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) [11:17:30] ---| ---> jstroop_ [n=jstroop@wsip-70-164-25-23.ri.ri.cox.net] has joined #code4lib [11:17:37] ---| User: *** jphipps|away is now known as jphipps [11:17:45] ---| ---> MrDys [i=MrDys@wsip-70-164-25-62.ri.ri.cox.net] has joined #code4lib [11:18:12] dchud | i propose a breakout session on a semiotic deconstruction of the imagery in the conference t-shirt [11:18:20] zoia | New news from planetcode4lib: Spalding, Tim (Thingology): uClassify contest winner [11:18:22] dchud | that or a linked data representation [11:18:22] ---| <<-- jstroop [n=jstroop@wsip-70-164-25-23.ri.ri.cox.net] has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) [11:18:32] fak3r | dchud: will need more coffee to undertstand it [11:18:35] mbklein | lbjay++ # takin' charge. kickin' ass. takin' names. [11:19:03] wickr | wasn't there a file with all of the shirt pieces described? [11:19:04] jbrinley | adding them to his foaf... [11:19:06] rsinger | fak3r: there's more coffee now [11:19:12] anarchivist | jay "filthy" luker [11:19:24] rsinger | anarchivist++ [11:19:33] royt | pics from today's OCLC Grid Services precon now up at http://code4lib.org/2009/oclc-precon [11:19:33] mbklein | dchud: Is this you? http://xkcd.com/451/ [11:20:04] ---| ---> charper [i=46a4190c@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-cc9813d0c9876a5a] has joined #code4lib [11:20:07] JodiS | fak3r: my somewhat broken chumby :) feel free to play with it. step one: get it some internet [11:20:23] dlovins | anarchavist++ [11:20:29] anarchivist | dlovins++ [11:20:33] JodiS | royt: thanks for the pix. [11:20:37] ---| ---> asl2 [n=asl2@dsl092-130-095.chi1.dsl.speakeasy.net] has joined #code4lib [11:20:38] gsf | anarchivist++ wonder if he's heard that one [11:20:41] royt | sure thing [11:20:42] wickr | dchud: if you didn't already see it: http://code4lib.org/files/the%20whole%20world%20is%20in%20here_concept_by%20sandy.txt [11:20:53] JodiS | anybody in linked data taking pictures? [11:21:09] dchud | mbklein: heh. that was a good one. [11:21:09] dlovins | JodiS: I think Ray Schwartz is [11:21:14] jbrinley | JodiS: I saw iand taking pictures earlier [11:21:26] JodiS | awesome. hoping they all get tagged #c4l09 someplace [11:21:45] dchud | wickr: oh cool, thx [11:21:48] * JodiS is going to be looking for pictures for the Journal, assuming we get conference reports [11:21:48] ---| ---> Baroquem [n=matt@wsip-70-164-25-22.ri.ri.cox.net] has joined #code4lib [11:21:59] dchud | colorful tabs! [11:22:10] dchud | eikeon++ [11:22:20] dchud | eikeon: are your ears burning yet? [11:22:23] edsu | eikeon++ [11:22:31] JodiS | lbjay++ [11:22:48] fak3r | dchud: he's a man proud of his tabs [11:22:54] mjg_ | "observe the non-butt-ugliness of this format" [11:22:57] ---| ---> saschel [i=5ee062f0@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-4ed86d5bcecaaff1] has joined #code4lib [11:23:02] eikeon | :D [11:23:03] dchud | fak3r: it's a beautiful thing [11:23:08] fak3r | I didn't think that was more readable... [11:23:11] akorphan | mjg_: sounds like a quote to me. [11:23:17] * anarchivist wants to have an rdf-themed ice cream flavor called "turtle triple ripple" [11:23:24] ---| User: *** edc_detached is now known as ecorrado [11:23:31] mjg_ | anarchivist++ [11:23:38] MrDys | step one: choose your uris [11:23:38] jbrinley | anarchivist: filled with pointers to other people's bowls of ice cream? [11:23:46] MrDys | step two: put your junk in those uris [11:23:47] akorphan | ("turtle", "ripple_count", 3) [11:23:52] fak3r | MrDys: I thought he said choose your eyes [11:23:53] ---| <<-- jstroop_ [n=jstroop@wsip-70-164-25-23.ri.ri.cox.net] has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) [11:23:57] * anarchivist makes waffle cones using the GRDDL [11:24:04] MrDys | step three: have her open the box [11:24:08] MrDys | s/box/uris [11:24:17] fak3r | "this is me, expressing myself!" [11:24:27] fak3r | ^movie? [11:24:29] mbklein | MrDys++ The funniest SNL short I can't share with anyone I know. [11:24:33] edsu | "break it down" [11:24:34] JodiS what was the http://www.mindswap.org URL that lbjay was talking about? [11:24:36] anarchivist | MrDys++ [11:24:45] gsf @herald add lbjay now entering the ring: jay "filthy" luker [11:24:45] zoia | gsf: The operation succeeded. [11:24:48] jbrinley | JodiS: http://www.mindswap.org/2002/rdfconvert/ [11:24:56] mjg_ | gsf++ [11:25:01] JodiS | jbrinley++ [11:25:17] jbrinley | pecans++ [11:25:20] mbklein | anarchivist: You want SPARQLs on that? [11:25:26] edsu | http://www.mindswap.org/2002/rdfconvert/ [11:25:48] anarchivist | mbklein++ [11:26:01] anarchivist | mbklein: yeah, and the reddi whip is on its way [11:26:08] mjg_ | "...by their poor ability to express themselves" [11:26:12] mbklein | anarchivist+- [11:26:33] anarchivist | NYPL triple ripple [11:26:36] edsu | should we give out some of the books before lunch? [11:26:37] fak3r | classmates.com ? [11:26:45] jbrinley | edsu: yes [11:26:47] mjg_ | lbjay++ # useful stuff [11:26:52] * edsu will go get them [11:26:57] akorphan | better get cracking on that foaf profile.... [11:27:12] ---| ---> jstroop [n=jstroop@wsip-70-164-25-23.ri.ri.cox.net] has joined #code4lib [11:27:13] dchud | BigD: gotcha [11:27:18] fak3r | hmm...again, not a good sale apoligizing for stuff... [11:27:27] jbrinley | edsu: I liked the system last year of using the raffle to get people back from breaks [11:27:35] jbrinley | edsu: you have to be present to win [11:27:45] fak3r | "you never want to start from scratch" [11:27:50] dchud | if you have won an award in the last six months, please do not apply again [11:27:53] BigD | JodiS: got my camera out... turn around [11:27:59] gsf | lbjay has actually done this speech before, but it was with a shampoo bottle [11:28:05] dchud | employees of the linked data pre-conf and their immediate families are not eligible [11:28:11] dlovins | Anyone ever been to "Toastmasters"? Good for public speaking. [11:28:55] gsf | silence fills the chat room [11:29:07] JodiS | toastmasters++ [11:29:09] mbklein | dlovins: I used to have a colleague who was really into Toastmasters. [11:29:09] MrDys | I don't know about you, but I don't really expect stellar public speaking abilities from code4lib [11:29:12] JodiS | dlovins++ [11:29:14] MrDys | it's the content that matters [11:29:19] fak3r | that guy owes BigD 20$...can we foaf that? [11:29:22] JodiS | MrDys: both, always [11:29:34] JodiS | MrDys: content over flashy presentation, but both. [11:29:35] mjg_ | Who ya gonna call? Toastbusters! [11:29:43] anarchivist | mjg_++ [11:29:47] fak3r | mjg_: ok, I can see that [11:29:51] * anarchivist ain't afraid of no toast [11:29:58] fak3r | down with walled gardens! [11:30:19] MrDys | http://loadingreadyrun.com/videos/view/226/The-Secret-Life-of-Toast [11:30:19] mbklein | MrDys: Content I can't follow isn't that much better than no content at all. (Not to say today's stuff falls into that category; just sayin'.) [11:30:25] bess | "we're not building a walled garden"... I love it! I want that on a poster in my library. [11:30:34] fak3r | rerun [11:30:55] fak3r | infinate number of ... monkeys [11:31:08] JodiS | bess: got it on CD [11:31:10] BigD | i wish my camera were quieter [11:31:14] ---| ---> mib_qkp0yv [i=46a41978@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-f81b28e37b821725] has joined #code4lib [11:31:19] anarchivist | fak3r: there was discussion of rerun in here before [11:31:20] mbklein | http://simple.wikipedia.org++ [11:31:21] JodiS | bess: thanks, copying it [11:31:23] rsinger | bah bum bum, ba bah bum bum [11:31:26] gsf | BigD: it wishes you were quieter, too [11:31:27] jbrinley | BigD: it's not that distracting [11:31:32] anarchivist | i think it was rsinger taking about how rerun tried to bootleg a doobie brothers concert [11:31:32] fak3r | see, he's saying to just use what's out there - I think that's what everyone should do [11:31:38] bess | JodiS: sweet. I have a couple of USB keys here and I want to put it on those too so we can also pass them around [11:31:40] * anarchivist has no fucking idea why he remembers that [11:31:43] fak3r | BigD: makes me feel like I'm walking the red carpet [11:31:44] mbklein | gsf++ [11:31:47] fak3r | mjg_: mentioned! [11:31:53] dchud | BOOTLEGGER! [11:32:12] dchud | "tonight, on a very special episode of What's Happening..." [11:32:21] fak3r | looks like it reads in dice [11:32:30] fak3r | dchud: ;) [11:32:32] rsinger | yeah, that's really the only episode i remember [11:32:43] rsinger | "Rog, I just wanted another hamburger, Rog'" [11:32:44] jbrinley | where is indice? [11:32:49] * gsf does 2d4 damage to indice [11:32:53] gsf | @dice 2d4 [11:32:53] zoia | gsf: 1 and 2 [11:32:55] dchud | R.I.P. Rerun [11:32:56] gsf | damn [11:33:02] fak3r | gsf++ [11:33:07] dlovins | @google indice [11:33:07] mbklein | Fred Berry ftw [11:33:08] zoia | dlovins: Search took 0.15 seconds: Indice - definition of Indice by the Free Online Dictionary ...: ; indice - Wiktionary: ; Indice: ; Big Mac index: exchange-rate theory | The Economist: ; indice Resources | BNET: (2 more messages) [11:33:16] JodiS | bess: know who I should pass this CD to? [11:33:27] bess | JodiS: me, so I can put it on these USB drives [11:33:36] jbrinley | google is not helping me [11:33:45] * gsf is trying to figure out how to use iand's barter vocab to demonstrate the $20 he owes BigD [11:33:47] fak3r | jbrinley: me neither - where is indice? [11:34:04] JodiS | bess: wave [11:34:11] bess | I'm in the back row [11:34:15] JodiS | bess: ok, see you [11:34:21] fak3r | click, click [11:34:39] wtd | sindice.com [11:34:40] edsu | open_world++ [11:34:57] * jbrinley wants the wall lamps to have flames instead of bulbs [11:35:15] edsu | lbjay++ [11:35:16] bess | so how to I learn how to actually parse rdf? [11:35:22] bess | is that the afternoon bit? [11:35:25] BigD | how do i calculate interest in RDF? [11:35:30] fak3r | bess: cat file.rdf ? [11:35:31] BigD | or bust kneecaps? [11:35:32] edsu | bess: unfortunately, i think [11:35:40] edsu | bess: what language do you want to use? [11:35:43] * mjg_ rolls the sin dice [11:35:48] bess | drat! I can't come to the afternoon workshop. I want to use ruby. [11:35:49] jbrinley | http://sindice.com/ [11:35:52] fak3r | http://sindice.com/ [11:36:02] * royt wants a pair of sin dice [11:36:10] rsinger | GYIFs [11:36:12] rsinger | er [11:36:15] rsinger | GIYFs [11:36:19] rsinger | rsinger-- [11:36:29] fak3r | royt: sin dice - that's have to be sharp, dangerous somehow [11:36:30] dbs | royt: we call 'em "tequila pigs" up here [11:36:31] ---| ---> mpark [n=mpark@wsip-70-164-25-33.ri.ri.cox.net] has joined #code4lib [11:37:05] * lbjay guzzles water, two-fisted [11:37:10] fak3r | not a fan of the green banner. [11:37:19] gsf | dbs: i hope the baby is appreciating your presence as much as we're appreciating your absence [11:37:20] bess | ruby or java, I guess. We're already doing a lot of data harvesting in solrmarc, and it's in java, so I guess we'll need to use java too. Which presumably is better supported than ruby. [11:37:27] BigD | lbjay++ [11:37:29] edsu | bess: you could try http://librdf.org/docs/ruby.html [11:37:29] JodiS | lbjay: like how you segued into Ian's talk [11:37:37] BigD | lbjay: neat to see what you look like finally. [11:37:43] lbjay | JodiS: i'd planned to mention open.vocab.org [11:37:46] dbs | gsf++ [11:37:51] lbjay | slipped through the brain cracks [11:37:59] BigD | well, not that yer neat. at least yer not a long hair freak, like some of these... [11:38:03] rsinger | bess: ruby's state of rdf is piss-poor, sadly [11:38:16] lbjay | BigD++ haircuts++ [11:38:17] dbs | you need a drooling guy sitting in the back to make you all feel better by comparison [11:38:22] gsf | lbjay: edsu mentioned open.vocab.org [11:38:34] bess | rsinger: is it even worth playing with? or is it just broken? [11:38:36] mjg_ | dbs: check. [11:38:42] akorphan | Has anyone made up bingo cards? [11:38:52] rsinger | bess: the redland bindings i think are the 'most stable'? [11:38:55] * gsf wipes off drool [11:38:55] JodiS | bingo cards? [11:38:59] JodiS | oh, no [11:39:00] anarchivist | rsinger: that sounds right [11:39:05] rsinger | bess: but they're not very 'ruby-ish' [11:39:15] ---| Channel: JodiS changed the topic of #code4lib to: Happy #c4l09! [11:39:24] edsu | danbri: what's your preferred ruby library for working w/ rdf? [11:39:29] rsinger | bess: of course, you could use jena through jruby and satisfy both needs [11:39:40] danbri | this week: jruby + jena, yes [11:39:40] rsinger | edsu: see above :) [11:39:44] bess | rsinger: go on. [11:39:45] danbri | a new experiment for me. [11:39:47] gsf | there's a lot in open vocab about earworms [11:39:48] dchud | rsinger++ # good point [11:39:50] danbri | am happy so far [11:39:53] wtd | What's with the flames at the top of the screen? [11:39:57] danbri | for skos experiments. lucene too. [11:40:06] ---| <<-- phase_bb [n=phase_bb@m765e36d0.tmodns.net] has quit (Connection timed out) [11:40:09] jbrinley | wtd: shadows from the curtain [11:40:13] rsinger | bess: have you used jruby at all? [11:40:27] bess | I've compiled ruby code into jruby and run it with java [11:40:30] bess | does that count? [11:40:33] bess | this seems different. [11:40:34] rsinger | sure [11:40:36] gsf | wtd: must be compiz [11:40:54] bess | http://www.thewebsemantic.com/2008/01/05/jena-ruby-bindings-accessing-jenas-feature-rich-rdf-api-from-ruby/ [11:40:56] dchud | c'mon, caffiene, kick in [11:40:59] bess | is that a good place to start? [11:41:00] rsinger | bess: well, it's just the opposite, you'd load the jena jars in your ruby app and instantiate objects and whatnot [11:41:07] lbjay | did they refill the coffee urns yet? [11:41:14] bess | rsinger: okay, gotcha. cool. I'll look into that. [11:41:17] edsu | bess: not so different, basically when you install jruby you can put #!/usr/bin/env jruby in your script, and then you can write ruby that has access to java libraries like jena, lucene, etc [11:41:27] anarchivist | dchud: it's a little scary that i've had ~3 cups of coffee and am halfway through a diet coke and am not feeling the buzz yet [11:41:28] mjg_ | lbjay: someone was doing something over there, so it's likely. [11:41:30] ---| ---> phase_bb [n=phase_bb@m625e36d0.tmodns.net] has joined #code4lib [11:41:47] JodiS | anarchivist: I'm worried for the rest of us later ;) [11:41:51] * akorphan just begrudgingly foafed. [11:41:51] dchud | anarchivist: then why are you shaking like that? [11:41:53] bess | edsu: sweet! I did not know that. I've only ever used jruby in the other direction, i.e., write in ruby and run in java [11:41:56] gsf | anarchivist: i blame earthless [11:42:02] anarchivist | gsf++ [11:42:12] * anarchivist blames, uh, earthless too [11:42:14] edsu | bess: it's bascially the same thing :) [11:42:21] robcaSSon | @blame j. mascis [11:42:22] zoia | robcaSSon: is that some kinda fucked up sparql query? [11:42:23] edsu | how was that earthless show? [11:42:27] BigD | i hate the light in rooms like this [11:42:31] anarchivist | edsu: fucking rad [11:42:36] anarchivist | edsu: we didnt stay for witch [11:42:40] mjg_ | zoia++ # topical! [11:42:41] robcaSSon | edsu: it was good...we bailed early [11:42:42] zoia | mjg_: have you tried yaz-marcdump? [11:42:45] BigD | why can we do all conferences outside in the sun? like in californis! [11:42:45] ---| <<-- saschel [i=5ee062f0@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-4ed86d5bcecaaff1] has quit ("http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client") [11:42:46] dchud | BigD: me too. are you filtering? [11:43:10] eikeon | zoia++ #indeed ;) [11:43:11] zoia | eikeon: your CeCe Winans Featured Selection order has been confirmed! [11:43:13] edsu | http://schemacache.test.talis.com/ [11:43:17] lbjay | open.vocab.org is teh awesome [11:43:21] bess | rsinger, edsu: thank you. jena looks great. That's what I'm going to play with. [11:43:24] rsinger | bess: yeah, you wont go back to java now [11:43:32] BigD | dchud: define filtering? i just have a UV filter on like usual [11:43:40] rsinger | bess: plus, jruby is faster than MRI 1.8 [11:43:42] dchud | eikeon: cool, i didn't know you were into the Winanses [11:43:57] dchud | BigD: that counts i guess [11:44:19] dchud | BigD: i have it in my mind to learn to use a red filter and a polarizer when i shoot b&w. i don't understand them yet. [11:44:20] rsinger | ah, technologically enforced time limit [11:44:31] mjg_ | @hosts2010 [11:44:33] zoia | mjg_: Asheville, NC [160]; Austin, TX [154]; Madison, WI [138]; Columbus, OH [102]; Bloomington, IN [72] [11:44:42] BigD | i think i have those with me if you want to play [11:44:59] dchud | BigD: i smell a breakout session. i would love to do that. [11:45:40] ---| <<-- wtd [n=chatzill@wsip-70-164-25-126.ri.ri.cox.net] has quit ("ChatZilla 0.9.84 [Firefox 3.0.6/2009020911]") [11:45:53] akorphan | asheville would be pretty sweet. On the other hand, I'd love to recommend Chapel Hill for 2011 [11:45:58] anarchivist | dchud: no, that's just BigD's BO [11:46:09] bess | akorphan: Chapel_Hill++ [11:46:14] bess | akorphan: are you in Chapel Hill? [11:46:33] akorphan | Not at the moment. Not even at work. Not even at home. But at home, I'm next door to Chapel HIll. [11:46:38] akorphan | How's that for evasive? [11:46:38] mjg_ | BigD: couldn't you have gone to the personal hygiene pre-conf? [11:46:50] mbklein | akorphan: Hillsboro? [11:46:57] anarchivist | mjg_: you should talk, man. you forgot your beard net. [11:46:57] akorphan | mbklein: Carrboro [11:47:06] mbklein | akorphan: ah ok [11:47:11] wickr | ferret cage [11:47:13] dchud | welcome to #code4lib: not above the occasional body odor joke, since 2003! [11:47:26] mjg_ | my beard net brings all the hairs to the net. [11:47:28] akorphan | Freight Train #9 level crossing ++ [11:47:29] bess | akorphan: do we know each other? I'm from Carrboro. Are you from there, or you just live there now? [11:47:47] robcaSSon | @quote search smell smart [11:47:49] BigD | dchud: sure! on the camera stuff... [11:47:50] zoia | robcaSSon: 1 found: #1301: "< roobcaSSooon> edsu: you smell smart" [11:47:52] akorphan | bess: I live there, but am from New England. [11:48:10] cazzerson | carrboro++ [11:48:17] zoia | New news from planetcode4lib: del.icio.us: OpenVocab || del.icio.us: Sindice - The semantic web index || del.icio.us: vocab.org - A URI space for vocabularies || del.icio.us: RDF Converter || del.icio.us: Mindswap Homepage [11:48:21] bess | akorphan: say hi to Weaver St for me. :) [11:48:24] mjg_ | good questions. [11:48:29] dchud | this could be a great discussion topic [11:48:37] mjg_ | this_preconf++ [11:48:41] akorphan | bess: Will do [11:48:47] akorphan | co-op grocery ++ [11:48:58] mjg_ | (BigD's malodorousness notwithstanding) [11:49:40] BigD | anarchivist: mjg_ Yer Moms. oh yeah. I went there. [11:49:42] mjg_ | I've gotta say, as scary as the range-14 stuff can get, it's been pretty smooth so far. [11:49:50] * gsf only links data on the ferretnet [11:50:08] anarchivist | the distributed global ferret [11:50:13] * mjg_ asserts foaf:musk [11:50:18] mbklein | akorphan: I'll second the co-op++ for having good options for my celiac kid to eat when we were in NC a couple years ago. [11:50:19] gsf | the ferretnet is all hashes. a nest of hashes [11:50:19] akorphan | the hamsternet is full of habitrail tubes. [11:50:19] jbrinley | is somebody going to talk about the range-14 stuff? [11:50:49] danbri | can't we forget range-14? so much time is wasted on those details.... :( [11:50:57] danbri | but i agree it can be confusing to not explain it, also [11:50:58] mjg_ | jbrinley: iand kind of deftly walked around it, which I thought was perfect. [11:51:10] danbri | iand++ [11:51:13] ---| ---> wtd [n=chatzill@wsip-70-164-25-126.ri.ri.cox.net] has joined #code4lib [11:51:16] gsf | mjg_: pirouetted, really [11:51:21] * jbrinley just wants a good, explicit understanding of what it is [11:51:22] mjg_ | iand++ # werd. [11:51:26] akorphan | I have to confess that I think human thought is too messy to be properly semanticized. [11:52:01] mjg_ | alcohol poisoning makes it even more difficult. [11:52:05] gsf | jbrinley: did you read the cool uris piece yet? [11:52:08] danbri | akorphan, the fact that my mind is messy, is one reason i like to be able to rely on socially constructed props ... calendars, databases, computers... [11:52:23] jbrinley | gsf: no, not yet [11:52:33] danbri | ...semweb shouldn't be mistaken for a cogsci project: we're supplementign the human mind, not modelling it. [11:52:36] jbrinley | gsf: thanks for pointing me there [11:52:39] rsinger | well, i guess a way to look at that particular question is that a gerund isn't the same thing as a verb [11:52:43] BigD | who dat? [11:52:46] akorphan | danbri: but when it gets to things like, "what does one mean by 'anniversary'," it will be tough to lay out all the shades of meaning... [11:52:53] ---| ---> taco [n=taco@213-132-179-227.multikabel.nl] has joined #code4lib [11:52:56] gsf | jbrinley: it's in the handout methinks [11:53:01] akorphan | mmm, tacos. [11:53:11] danbri | what did i mean by "schoolHomepage"? [11:53:24] danbri | as a brit, i meant " the home page of the place where you went to school" [11:53:32] danbri | which is of course something that's over by 16 or so... [11:53:44] danbri | then usamericans started using the property too, and its meaning drifted [11:53:49] danbri | universities etc too. [11:53:59] danbri | no great harm done, as it turns out. rdf is sufficiently bendy. [11:54:18] taco | hi everyone! so far, yet so close... is the irc projected on a backchannel yet? [11:54:30] danbri | when you don't want bendy data, OWL lets you write down more assumptions so that miscommunication is more readily detected... [11:54:34] akorphan | danbri: it's because the us americans don't have maps. [11:54:36] ---| <--- scolford [i=8a10400b@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-83a2c49ef11560ab] has left #code4lib () [11:54:49] gsf taco: lbjay put it up on screen for a second [11:55:39] mjg_ | jphipps++ [11:55:50] mbklein | akorphan++ [11:56:20] mjg_ | JodiS++ # all the wrangling re: getting slides on the wiki, getting folks to use the conf tag, etc. [11:56:21] * akorphan switches to the blue line at the Iraq. [11:56:27] ---| <<-- Baroquem [n=matt@wsip-70-164-25-22.ri.ri.cox.net] has quit () [11:56:29] gsf | lbjay++ good talk, btw. appreciate the anti-xml [11:56:33] mjg_ | akorphan++ [11:56:36] JodiS | mjg: np :) [11:56:44] * jbrinley has always liked rdf/xml [11:57:35] jbrinley | it's true, I watched him [11:57:45] * akorphan has always thought RDF was an overly complicated way of presenting ordered triplets. [11:57:58] akorphan | RDF+xml that is [11:58:13] danbri | do you have a preferred redesign? [11:58:26] jbrinley | it's complicated, yes, but, if done well, it's easy to scan [11:58:35] akorphan | danbri: Can't say as I do. [11:58:37] jbrinley | n3 is not [11:58:42] akorphan | So maybe I shouldn't complain. [11:58:50] ---| ---> eby_ [n=ebyr@173-98-26-57.pools.spcsdns.net] has joined #code4lib [11:59:05] danbri | at least we have GRDDL now. If someone comes up with a great successor, they can just write the xslt and evangelise; generic GRDDL parsers will eat it... [11:59:14] jbrinley | but I may not know enough about n3 to have an informed opinion [11:59:27] * gsf contemplates distracting edsu long enough to grab a copy of working ontologist [11:59:40] * JodiS would like to understand GRDDL but doesn't [11:59:51] dchud | i like the prose documentation bits. i'm all for auto-generating prose notes. [12:00:14] dchud | if somebody could do a "what is GRDDL" talk/demo after lunch i'd be grateful [12:00:17] mbklein | hngry confrcegoer iz hngry [12:00:27] danbri | is SKOS getting much discussion at the conf? [12:00:33] mjg_ | dchud++ # good idea. [12:00:54] mjg_ | danbri: it's been mentioned numerous times in fact [12:00:58] cazzerson | dchud: me too [12:01:02] * jbrinley wants to attend a 3-5 day linked data/practical semweb workshop [12:01:04] ---| ---> Baroquem [n=matt@wsip-70-164-25-22.ri.ri.cox.net] has joined #code4lib [12:01:08] danbri | all good i hope [12:01:20] dchud | those adrenaline butterflies do wonders for my mental focus. it's amazing. [12:01:43] * mbklein can kind of explain what GRDDL is, but can't go deep. [12:01:55] danbri | i really want to spend some time this spring contrasting OWL classification facilities with what you get in Library classification systems [12:01:55] bess | jbrinley++ # that is an awesome idea. Who could organize that? [12:01:59] ---| <<-- papo [i=mathias@libic042.ethz.ch] has quit ("Verlassend") [12:02:10] mjg_ | danbri: yup, good or neutral/factual [12:02:10] danbri | ie. how can we re-do "Social impact of - Tin Mining - In Sweden - in the 1960s" in SKOS/OWL, so that the pieces are mechnically visible [12:02:29] anarchivist | i fucking hate LCSH [12:02:37] ---| User: *** jphipps is now known as jphipps|away [12:02:37] anarchivist | let it be known [12:02:38] danbri | GRDDL is just a convention for delcaring URLs of (typically) XSLT documents that turn not-obviously-RDF files into RDF files [12:02:43] mbklein | anarchivist: C'mon, quit holding back. [12:02:46] JodiS | jbrinley: example: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Notation3 [12:02:47] anarchivist | mbklein: :) [12:03:00] mbklein | danbri: exactly. [12:03:04] danbri | anarchivist, what would you use instead? [12:03:04] anarchivist | ranganathan FTW [12:03:04] bess | could we do something like "six weeks to a social library" as "six weeks to a semanticly linked library"? [12:03:23] anarchivist | danbri: the FAST stuff is really interesting [12:03:27] jbrinley | JodiS: ok, that's pretty scannable [12:03:30] ---| <<-- mpark [n=mpark@wsip-70-164-25-33.ri.ri.cox.net] has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) [12:03:35] danbri | yeah, I read up on FAST again last week [12:03:38] ---| ---> iand [i=46a4190c@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-0a971cbb0a3e4b69] has joined #code4lib [12:03:40] * akorphan thinks it's weird that there's no 1:1 correspondence betwen LCSH and LCC [12:03:45] anarchivist | danbri: http://www.oclc.org/research/projects/fast/ [12:03:48] * iand thanks mibbit [12:04:00] anarchivist | akorphan: they grow in parallel [12:04:00] dchud | danbri: it turns 'em into rdf files? not triples? is the rdf serialization pegged to one or another? [12:04:01] mbklein | anarchivist: http://www.walkingpaper.org/128 [12:04:03] danbri | hoping oclc will release more and soon [12:04:10] jbrinley | akorphan: why, they're two very different things? [12:04:12] royt | FWIW, we're hoping to put FAST up as linked data [12:04:14] danbri | dchud ... yeah, it maps into rdf/xml [12:04:24] anarchivist | royt: git er done, mane [12:04:26] royt | already available via an API [12:04:28] danbri | royt, any more news on that? you said last week something might be looming [12:04:32] royt | anarchivist: i hear ya [12:04:33] dchud | ah, okay, i always assumed it was more of a build-a-graph-in-memory thing [12:04:33] anarchivist | royt: link link linky? [12:04:38] danbri | and liberal terms of use? [12:04:38] gsf | anarchivist: did you get in touch with that archival thesaurus person? [12:04:43] akorphan | jbrinley, anarchivist: They are different, but for the most part, a classification suggests a "primary" subject heading. [12:04:55] anarchivist | gsf: yeah [12:04:56] royt | wheels spin slowly, but at least they're moving [12:05:05] gsf | anarchivist: so what's the deal? [12:05:06] anarchivist | gsf: she's pumped on the idea of publishing it as SKOS [12:05:14] gsf | anarchivist: oh, awesome [12:05:24] royt | anarchivist: sweet [12:05:24] akorphan | one presumes that there should exist a function that goes f(lcc ) -> lcsh [12:05:29] akorphan | but there isn't. [12:05:39] danbri | what is "it"? [12:05:40] jbrinley | akorphan: but LCSH isn't just subjects, it's also format, authorship, etc. [12:05:41] mbklein | danbri: Does the target *have* to be rdf+xml? I thought both endpoints were variable in the spec, as long as the end result is a well known RDF format. [12:05:46] danbri | i was looking at UKAT thesaurus SKOS lately [12:05:48] anarchivist | gsf: SAA has copyright though so there should be due diligence [12:05:48] dchud | one is subject headings. the other is a classification system. [12:05:57] * robcaSSon is damn hungry [12:05:59] anarchivist | gsf: the publications chair is my intern's advisor, though [12:06:03] dchud | they don't have to have a clear cross-mapping [12:06:04] danbri | mbklein, the spec probably leaves it open, but general practice is to use something that rdf toolkit parsers understand [12:06:09] anarchivist | gsf: and he seems like he kind of gets this stuff, so i think that won't be a problem [12:06:14] danbri | ... could be more grddl i guess :) [12:06:18] anarchivist | gsf: the data exists as an access DB at least [12:06:24] dchud | y'all, i hope you stay for my talk (next), i promise to go 15min or less and say a few interesting things [12:06:25] gsf | anarchivist: well don't jinx it [12:06:26] JodiS | danbri: thanks, your GRDDL explanation helps [12:06:32] danbri | welcome :) [12:06:34] ---| <<-- iand [i=46a4190c@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-0a971cbb0a3e4b69] has quit (Nick collision from services.) [12:06:36] gsf | anarchivist: but sounds good. did you get the db? [12:06:44] ---| ---> iand1 [n=iand@wsip-70-164-25-20.ri.ri.cox.net] has joined #code4lib [12:06:44] bess | anyone want a USB key with GIS pre-conference data on it? [12:06:47] dchud | danbri: indeed, thank you for that :) [12:06:47] anarchivist | gsf: not yet, the db isn't up to date [12:06:48] akorphan | they do do different things, but there's a lot of overlap [12:06:49] JodiS | bess: that would be really awesome [12:06:54] mjg_ | jphipps++ # shameless, and awesome. [12:06:56] ---| User: *** iand1 is now known as iand [12:06:57] fak3r | consultant mention! [12:06:57] mbklein | Tha's a lot of tabs. [12:06:58] anarchivist | gsf: but she sounds like she's onboard [12:07:00] akorphan | there is certainly a relationship "suggested" [12:07:15] akorphan | it would be nice if it were somehow explicit [12:07:18] JodiS | bess: have you seen http://semanticlibrary.pbwiki.com/Learning+Program ? [12:07:21] akorphan | to the extent possible. [12:07:28] mbklein | Time to switch the dongle. [12:07:35] fak3r | dchud FTW! [12:07:42] BigD | i'm friggin starving [12:07:48] jbrinley | bess: yes to the GIS data [12:07:50] mjg_ | openzerometalinkedconfsearchdata, commence! [12:07:52] ---| User: *** jphipps|away is now known as jphipps [12:07:54] rsinger | hrm, i guess i could have asked -- "if the funding ran out, will the registry eventually get shut off?" [12:07:59] bess | JodiS: obviously great minds think alike. :) [12:08:04] gsf | BigD: you're like christian bale in the machinist [12:08:05] fak3r | channel mention! [12:08:05] royt | BigD: gnaw on your arm [12:08:07] JodiS | :) [12:08:11] bess | jbrinley: where are you? I'm in the back row in a purple sweater. [12:08:18] rsinger | jphipps: see above [12:08:20] robcaSSon | mbklein: in the dongle jangle morning, i'll follow you [12:08:21] jbrinley | bess: front row, right (green shirt) [12:08:23] fak3r | w00t! [12:08:23] rsinger | jphipps: shoulda asked that [12:08:25] mbklein | The raffle prizes have entered the building. [12:08:28] edsu | hey! [12:08:28] iand | bess: what's the data? [12:08:30] fak3r | damn, I was on screen for a sec! [12:08:30] danbri | rsinger, that's always a good question to ask about registries (sadly...) [12:08:32] jbrinley | bess: I can see you afterward [12:08:34] edsu | where'd my screen real estate go? [12:08:40] gsf | @ana openzerometalinkedconfsearchdata [12:08:42] zoia | gsf: Error: I tried to send you an empty message. [12:08:43] JodiS | thanks for the slides, jphipps! :) and the answer [12:08:44] bess | jbrinley: okay, I'll hang out at the back [12:08:44] gsf | ha [12:08:46] * BigD gnaws $20 worth of arm off of gsf [12:08:55] iand | errr I am way behind on scrollback :) [12:08:58] fak3r | dreamhost-- [12:09:01] ---| ---> shekhar [n=shekhar@c-98-216-51-36.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #code4lib [12:09:08] fak3r | 10 year domain, good idea [12:09:14] wtd | Cool vids on screen. [12:09:15] bess | iand: if you're taking the GIS workshop there was some data you're supposed to download. we're passing it around on DVDs and USB keys so as not to overload the network. [12:09:18] gsf | dreamhost, the most generic host [12:09:24] * mbklein hates dreamhost, but likes their newsletters [12:09:35] rsinger | jphipps++ #thanks [12:09:43] fak3r | gray_text++ [12:09:47] mbklein | Represent! [12:09:48] JodiS | LC-- [12:09:52] robcaSSon | B. A. Chudnov [12:09:53] fak3r | bad_attitude [12:09:55] MrDys | B.A. Chudnov [12:09:57] robcaSSon | needs more mohawk [12:09:58] lbjay | d "bad attitude" chud [12:09:59] robcaSSon | MrDys++ [12:10:07] MrDys | git outta mah brain [12:10:09] fak3r | do we have to knock him out to get on a plane? [12:10:12] robcaSSon | Mr. C. [12:10:16] fak3r | on screen! ha [12:10:26] robcaSSon | get to photoshopping [12:10:30] gsf | oh dear [12:10:31] fak3r | 122? [12:10:36] fak3r | w00t? [12:10:48] jbrinley | fak3r: but only 6 words to a slide [12:11:11] fak3r | "custom software out of the way" yes! [12:11:22] anarchivist | go chudley go [12:11:38] fak3r | he loves data formats... m...ok [12:11:41] gsf | loud clod [12:11:52] fak3r | gsf: ouch [12:11:56] ---| <<-- royt [i=8a10580b@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-011adf043c13e820] has quit ("http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client") [12:11:59] mjg_ | gsf: that's a Malkmus track I'm pretty sure [12:12:03] BigD | he loves gatherings, but hates people [12:12:07] fak3r | cut teeth? [12:12:28] gsf | mjg_: dchud/malkmus connection runs deep [12:12:30] akorphan | My aunt Sally loves meetings, but hates conferences [12:12:30] rsinger | dental library, maybe [12:12:36] akorphan | She adores apples, but can't stand pears. [12:12:40] fak3r | nice reflection on the imgs...so web 2.0! [12:12:56] ---| <<-- mib_2ljr8ssb [i=8a10580b@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-9966b15ccd06a64c] has quit ("http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client") [12:13:00] mbklein | I love any data format that doesn't end with "ML" [12:13:04] BigD | the reflection is metadata [12:13:04] fak3r | akorphan: I have an Aunt Sally too, nice [12:13:04] JodiS | dchud is brilliant [12:13:06] ---| <<-- eikeon [n=eikeon@dsl092-168-195.wdc2.dsl.speakeasy.net] has quit () [12:13:14] anarchivist | ChesthairML [12:13:15] mbklein | I'm OK with XML, but not every derivative has to end with ML [12:13:15] zoia | Don't cry for me, Metadataaaaa! [12:13:35] fak3r | jazz ftw [12:13:50] akorphan | ready reference++ [12:13:51] BigD | i want $10000 to spend on lenses [12:13:52] fak3r | bird on bottom left [12:14:38] MrDys | pants_up_to_your_ribcage-- [12:14:38] ---| <<-- DHahn [n=dhahn@138.16.59.175] has quit (Connection timed out) [12:14:39] mbklein | click click click click click click click click click click click click click [12:14:45] ---| ---> DHahn [i=DHahn@pptp-0012.vpn.tamu.edu] has joined #code4lib [12:14:53] fak3r | MrDys: always true [12:14:56] mbklein | MrDys: Better than a ribcage down to your pants. [12:15:11] ---| <<-- petercline [n=peter@wsip-70-164-25-49.ri.ri.cox.net] has quit ("leaving") [12:15:13] fak3r | nice html tables [12:15:14] ---| <<-- DHahn [i=DHahn@pptp-0012.vpn.tamu.edu] has quit (Client Quit) [12:15:38] lbjay | hmm, a petercline sighting [12:15:52] JodiS | FRBR mentions: 3 [12:15:53] akorphan | mmm, beer. [12:15:53] gsf | save frbr for beers [12:15:59] akorphan | Bingo! [12:16:05] mjg_ | FRBR = FoRBeeRs [12:16:13] MrDys | forbearers [12:16:13] jtgorman_ | mbklein: ISBD doesn't end in ML....neither does MARC [12:16:15] mbklein | Wait, "frbr" isn't just an efficient way of ordering FouR BeeRs at once? [12:16:18] lbjay | mjg_++ [12:16:20] fak3r | don't like safari scrollbars in screenshots [12:16:30] anarchivist | mbklein: that's how you do it on twitter [12:16:34] jtgorman_ | just..ahh.saying [12:16:41] mbklein | brtndr! frbr! [12:16:44] ---| User: *** BigD is now known as SweetPea [12:16:50] jtgorman_ | @bartender gsf [12:16:52] * zoia fills a pint glass with Flying Horse Royal Lager, and sends it sliding down the bar to gsf (http://beeradvocate.com/beer/profile/91/1673/) [12:17:05] JodiS | seeAlso [12:17:22] SweetPea | audience is full of shills [12:17:23] JodiS | mjg++ [12:17:29] ---| User: *** SweetPea is now known as BigD [12:17:38] fak3r | BigD: true dat [12:17:42] gsf | <-- #1 dchud shill [12:17:46] bess | jbrinley: do you want a DVD or a USB key w/ the GIS data? [12:18:13] jbrinley | bess: either way. I'll copy it to hard disk and give it back. [12:18:20] zoia | New news from planetcode4lib: del.icio.us: pyrple - An RDF API in Python || del.icio.us: Developers Guide to Semantic Web Toolkits for different Programming Languages || Engard, Nicole: NFAIS 2009: Engaging the Global Digital Native: Transforming Technologies || Bigwood, David: Google, Yahoo and MSN Agree on the [12:18:35] anarchivist | BigD: this is the talk that bradw should be hearing [12:18:40] jbrinley | bess: assuming less than 40GB :) [12:18:42] * ranti wants to see dchud's library-reference cloud screen shot, if any. [12:18:49] BigD | anarchivist: yep [12:18:49] mbklein | Is "rel=contents" used by Google to build those results with deep links? [12:19:01] BigD | we'll get to him at dinner [12:19:09] jbrinley | ranti: should be linked from http://wiki.code4lib.org/index.php/LinkedData eventually [12:19:10] BigD | thinking trinity brewhouse tonight [12:19:23] mjg_ | dchud just took his first breath of the past ten minutes. [12:19:23] anarchivist | BigD: i've already talked sibyl's ear off about this [12:19:31] mjg_ | (I heard it.) [12:19:39] JodiS | I wish dchud could reprise this for everyone [12:19:53] ranti | jbrinley: thanks! [12:19:58] mbklein | JodiS: I think that's why he was trying to record himself. [12:19:59] jbrinley | JodiS: talk 4 times as fast for a lightning talk? [12:19:59] dbs | JodiS: camcorder? [12:20:02] gsf | mjg_: he's been drinking from that vodka thermos pretty consistently [12:20:14] * mjg_ snorts [12:20:17] BigD | JodiS: with a bit more caffeine i bet he could jam the talk into a lightning [12:20:18] jbrinley | vodka > air [12:20:34] JodiS | BigD: he'd have to cut some parts [12:20:41] JodiS | mbklein: I thought that was to put on the web [12:20:48] JodiS | I'm definitely rereading this presentation [12:20:55] anarchivist | hmm hmm hmm [12:21:04] * anarchivist wants faceting based on identifiers [12:21:11] jbrinley | oh, no! [12:21:15] akorphan | wikipedia-- [12:21:22] akorphan | stuff goes away-- [12:21:23] fak3r | register billystrayhorn.com [12:21:24] mbklein | JodiS: "Putting it on the web" == "Reprising it for everyone" [12:21:32] JodiS | mbklein: yes and no [12:21:48] mbklein | JodiS: Yeah, I know. [12:21:53] lbjay | pssst, dchud. edsu is right here! [12:21:54] JodiS | mbklein: dchud in person is way more awesome than dchud on the web. [12:22:14] BigD | JodiS: i'm just the opposite [12:22:16] ranti | mbklein: it's more fun to watch dchud waves his hands while talking [12:22:17] edsu | it broke anders data [12:22:23] mjg_ | edsu++ # good point [12:22:25] edsu | and his venture [12:22:28] rsinger | edsu: did it? [12:22:29] mbklein | The new Apple iChud. "Dan. For everyone." [12:22:37] edsu | rsinger: yeah [12:22:39] rsinger | edsu: the uris still identified the same thing, right? [12:22:41] bess | mbklein++ [12:22:42] anarchivist | rsinger: yeah definitely [12:22:43] JodiS | edsu: SAY that [12:22:53] JodiS | mbklein++ #lol [12:22:56] anarchivist | edsu: yeah, if anyone you can tell chudley to STFU [12:23:03] edsu | 404-data! [12:23:05] mjg_ | 404'd_data++ [12:23:15] JodiS | 404'd_data-- [12:23:17] lbjay | but they'll never break our spirits! [12:23:20] anarchivist | WHAT WE NEED IS AN ONTOLOGY TO REPRESENT 404D DATA [12:23:21] JodiS | 404'd_data-- [12:23:21] JodiS | 404'd_data-- [12:23:22] JodiS | 404'd_data-- [12:23:40] mbklein | Delinked Data < Unlinked Data [12:24:00] mbklein | Better to have linked and lost than never to have linked at all? NO! [12:24:04] lbjay | software, like a web browser? [12:24:06] edsu | rsinger: it only broke i guess if he didn't cache the data he cared about locally [12:24:06] anarchivist | NOTHING LASTS 4EVA ON TEH INTERNETS [12:24:11] mjg_ | ... print out all the linked data pages? [12:24:13] rsinger | edsu: right [12:24:16] gsf | mbklein++ [12:24:19] anarchivist | mjg_: print out and ocr them! [12:24:22] jbrinley | mjg_++ [12:24:23] BigD | burn the web [12:24:23] rsinger | edsu: but that was kind of careless, right? [12:24:26] iand | apparently dbpedia is 404 today [12:24:36] jbrinley | anarchivist: if only I weren't doing that as part of my job [12:24:38] rsinger | edsu: and the URI still means the same thing, right? [12:24:41] edsu | rsinger: not really, all this is new [12:24:43] edsu | imho [12:24:45] anarchivist | jbrinley++ [12:24:47] MrDys | brazillian linked data [12:24:51] iand | hmm, seems to work for me [12:25:01] gsf | ah, so dchud wants us to use handle.net [12:25:03] fak3r | internet archive is supposed to save the web... [12:25:09] lbjay | when does the Lords of the Dance stuff start? [12:25:17] anarchivist | lbjay++ [12:25:30] jbrinley | lbjay: arm waving in the morning, leg kicking in the afternoon [12:25:35] * mjg_ wonders if lbjay is in punching range. [12:25:43] BigD | lbjay: i bet if we start clapping a rhythm... [12:25:47] * robcaSSon takes a bid to kick lbjay [12:25:50] anarchivist | BigD++ [12:25:50] lbjay | jbrinley++ [12:25:52] mjg_ | clapping algorhythms [12:25:52] akorphan | I see this talk leading to a conclusion that commercial interests would not like. [12:25:54] * robcaSSon leans over and coughs [12:25:57] * zoia sneezes [12:26:00] * lbjay dodges [12:26:03] ---| ---> tholbroo [n=tholbroo@hs72260.lib.sfu.ca] has joined #code4lib [12:26:03] JodiS | caching makes sense. importance of identifying canonical stuff [12:26:11] rsinger | edsu: i guess i just don't know what "broke" in libris [12:26:28] BigD | isn't holographic storage supposed to solve all this? [12:26:31] edsu | rsinger: you mean the webapp? [12:26:37] rsinger | edsu: yeah [12:26:40] gsf | BigD: holographic dchud? [12:26:45] edsu | rsinger: or the effort the expended in linking up stuff, to make their data richer? [12:26:50] jbrinley | oh, is that what iChud is? [12:27:02] gsf | jbrinley: arm waving included [12:27:03] akorphan | It's a web-enabled carnivorous mutant. [12:27:04] lbjay | i made you a swedish library but lcsh.info broked it [12:27:07] BigD | gsf: ooo! i could have an iChud in my pocket! [12:27:08] rsinger | edsu: i mean, the follow your nose part is broken, sure [12:27:09] anarchivist | dchud in an one-piece aluminum encasement [12:27:21] BigD | lbjay++ [12:27:26] edsu | rsinger: unless he cached the data, he lost the english alt labels for example [12:27:29] jbrinley | @ana dchud in an one-piece aluminum encasement [12:27:30] zoia | jbrinley: Include up inhumane demoniac [12:27:32] JodiS | crawl parsing http://jodischneider.com/#me still doesn't find me :( [12:27:43] edsu | rsinger: and links to other lcsh broader/narrower/related terms [12:27:52] bess | JodiS: do you need to reference an actual file? [12:27:55] rsinger | edsu: sure, i get that [12:28:06] anarchivist | JodiS: you're not asserting that you know anyone [12:28:21] robcaSSon | JodiS++ # plausible deniability [12:28:23] JodiS | anarchivist: so? crawl finds me, just doesn't parse [12:28:26] BigD | JodiS hates us [12:28:28] wickr | JodiS: it doesn't find that you're an attendee [12:28:31] * JodiS is LAZY [12:28:35] rsinger | edsu: but this is a problem of scale, right? [12:28:49] * lbjay says it "bay-zer" [12:28:55] MrDys | dchud++ [12:28:57] edsu | rsinger: not sure [12:29:09] edsu | dchud++ # this is really good [12:29:19] rsinger | edsu: if there were 1000 users of lcsh.info, the data could probably live without the original via the inferences [12:29:43] lbjay | makes me think of package mirrors [12:29:56] rsinger | it's like LOCKSS -- or, rather, how LOCKSS was originally intended before everybody thought "me first" [12:30:19] gsf | lbjay: that could be a good model to emulate [12:30:25] akorphan | This works until a critical data source decides that it owns all the user-contributed data it contains. [12:30:29] robcaSSon | lbjay++ # really just the "O" of LOD [12:30:33] akorphan | I can think of a certain Ohio-based nonprofit.... [12:30:41] rsinger | akorphan: if only there was an example to draw on for that [12:30:50] akorphan | If only. [12:31:06] lbjay | gsf: seems hackable even [12:31:29] BillDueber | JodiS: Do you think your "swc::atteneeAt" needs an rdf:resource instead of an href? [12:31:41] MrDys | darrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrchives [12:31:43] ---| <<-- bfrederi [n=brandon@wsip-70-164-25-118.ri.ri.cox.net] has quit (Remote closed the connection) [12:31:43] * BillDueber is talking out of his ass, and doesn't actually know anything about anything. [12:31:47] ---| <--- jstroop [n=jstroop@wsip-70-164-25-23.ri.ri.cox.net] has left #code4lib () [12:32:06] lbjay | lod-get load dbpedia [12:32:12] edsu | so it's ok to give out 3 books using http://inkdroid.org/c4l2009/attendees [12:32:31] JodiS | BillDueber++ #I'll bet that's it. I'm blind :) [12:32:34] gsf | edsu: do it [12:32:49] wtd | edsu: Go for it. [12:33:04] akorphan | i still don't show up. [12:33:06] akorphan | woe am i. [12:33:09] dbs | lbjay: surely you meant the swedish library was borked borked borked borked? [12:33:10] bess | darn it, my foaf disappeard from the attendees list again. :( [12:33:11] robcaSSon | anyone got the google map url handy? [12:33:16] edsu | akorphan: :( [12:33:17] lbjay | dbs++ [12:33:25] robcaSSon | dbs++ [12:33:33] lbjay | edsu: maybe just 2 books? [12:33:35] BigD | where's lunch? [12:33:39] wickr | robcaSSon: http://maps.google.com/maps/ms?ie=UTF8&hl=en&msa=0&msid=107701218656997471821.00046117cc493635eebc1&ll=41.825572,-71.390877&spn=0.090438,0.152092&z=13 [12:33:44] robcaSSon | wickr++ [12:33:48] edsu | lbjay: k [12:34:03] robcaSSon | dchud is caching my lunch [12:34:09] anarchivist | robcaSSon++ [12:34:17] edsu | bess, akorphan will try to fix for giveaway in afternoon [12:34:30] edsu | if you win i'll get the books to you [12:34:37] lbjay | robcaSSon: since you're sick aren't you just going to proxy it anyway? [12:34:50] mjg_ | we have talked about having "foaf floaters" to trouble-shoot these issues in the PM session [12:34:50] robcaSSon | lbjay++ [12:34:52] * dlovins wishes he'd take down the "let's eat!" slide. [12:34:59] edsu | heheh [12:35:01] bess | edsu++ # for all of this, thank you [12:35:14] lbjay | edsu++ # the man! [12:35:16] wtd | edsu++ [12:35:16] * edsu stomach rumbles [12:35:22] akorphan | mmm, connective tissue. [12:35:26] jbrinley | it's selected by the people that made the links in the first place [12:35:29] gsf | dlovins: agreed [12:35:35] * anarchivist wants pig parts for lunch [12:35:35] akorphan | soft-tendon pho ftw [12:35:51] jbrinley | dchud has a very elitist definition of "selected" [12:35:52] * bess is craving pho all of a sudden. [12:35:52] * mjg_ will eat everything but the squeal. [12:35:55] edsu | is there pho nearby? [12:36:03] * akorphan thinks that O-Cha on Wickenden does pho [12:36:06] BigD | akorphan: i love pho, but haven't been brave enuf to try tendon or tripe [12:36:13] fak3r | tripe-- [12:36:21] akorphan | It's actually a mostly Thai place, but they do a bunch of soups [12:36:24] jbrinley | @dict tripe [12:36:25] zoia | jbrinley: wn, gcide, and moby-thes responded: wn: tripe n 1: lining of the stomach of a ruminant (especially a bovine) used as food 2: nonsensical talk or writing [syn: {folderol}, {rubbish}, {trumpery}, {trash}, {wish-wash}, {applesauce}, {codswallop}]; gcide: Tripe \Tripe\, n. [OE. tripe, F. tripe; of uncertain origin; cf. Sp. & Pg. tripa, It. trippa, OD. tripe, W. tripa, Armor. stripen.] 1. The large stomach of (3 more messages) [12:36:30] cazzerson | tripe++ [12:36:39] anarchivist | tripe++ [12:36:42] cazzerson | had menudo for the first time the other day [12:36:54] akorphan | I just can't do it [12:36:56] jbrinley | @ana lining of the stomach of a ruminant [12:36:56] * robcaSSon won't eat menudo until he's hungover [12:36:57] akorphan | organ meat-- [12:36:58] wtd | dchud++ # for socks and sandals [12:36:58] zoia | jbrinley: Homier, nonmagical hot stuff [12:37:03] anarchivist | organs++ [12:37:03] mjg_ | livin' la vida pho-ca [12:37:09] anarchivist | mjg_++ [12:37:15] * dlovins is dreaming of Larb [12:37:21] fak3r | books, books! [12:37:24] bess | dchud: the caching of linked data is something we've been talking about with solrmarc, and Bob Haschart, who is actually going to be building that in the next month or so, is going to come find you to talk about this some more. It's something we're going to do, and we'd like to do it with other people as much as possible. [12:37:24] edsu | oh hai i is edsu [12:37:34] robcaSSon | echud++ [12:37:43] BigD | edsu: pwnd! [12:37:49] fak3r | bess: dchud: I'd like to be in on that [12:37:58] wtd | dchudsu. [12:38:09] gsf | edsud [12:38:15] JodiS | edsu: is it taking 38 minutes to do a crawl now? [12:38:20] rsinger | "Fallen off the Graph" [12:38:32] mbklein | I've given up my Feed Aggregator in favor of a Feed Aggravator. [12:39:14] BigD | can we leave our stuff in the room? [12:39:15] jtgorman_ | when I found out what the food menudo was the bad name made so much more sense ;) [12:39:20] * mjg_ wants a Food Aggregator [12:39:21] fak3r | BigD: my ? too [12:40:32] gsf | mjg_: so close, so far [12:40:39] mjg_ | :(~~~~~ [12:40:45] mjg_ | (crying and drooling) [12:41:11] akorphan | HONGRY [12:41:15] ---| <<-- cazzerson [n=cazzerso@wsip-70-164-25-24.ri.ri.cox.net] has quit (Remote closed the connection) [12:41:17] ---| <<-- robcaSSon [n=rob@wsip-70-164-25-110.ri.ri.cox.net] has quit () [12:41:18] mbklein | mjg_: So (normal(mjg) + crying)? [12:41:19] wtd | Food! [12:41:22] ---| <<-- Baroquem [n=matt@wsip-70-164-25-22.ri.ri.cox.net] has quit () [12:41:26] bess | GIS data up for grabs at the back of the room! [12:41:30] bess | come and get it! [12:41:34] bess | jbrinley: I have DVD for you [12:41:34] * mjg_ snorts [12:41:35] ---| <<-- wtd [n=chatzill@wsip-70-164-25-126.ri.ri.cox.net] has quit ("ChatZilla 0.9.84 [Firefox 3.0.6/2009020911]") [12:41:43] ---| <<-- anarchivist [n=anarchiv@unaffiliated/anarchivist] has quit () [12:41:49] jbrinley | bess++ [12:41:51] ---| <<-- cliff_ [n=cliff@wsip-70-164-25-30.ri.ri.cox.net] has quit () [12:41:56] ---| ---> papo [i=mathias@libic042.ethz.ch] has joined #code4lib [12:42:22] ---| <<-- mmmmmrob [n=mmmmmrob@62.172.77.66] has quit ("we're off to see the wizard...") 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[13:06:21] ---| <<-- dlovins [n=chatzill@wsip-70-164-25-39.ri.ri.cox.net] has quit (Success) [13:06:55] ---| ---> eby_ [n=ebyr@99.178.199.246] has joined #code4lib [13:08:08] ---| ---> eom [i=d8a57e66@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-ec54872c0cee4af1] has joined #code4lib [13:09:12] ---| <<-- thePersonFormerl [i=837a6839@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-ae1181e1f111c259] has quit ("http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client") [13:12:03] jtgorman_ | @dnd [13:12:04] zoia | jtgorman_: strength:13 dexterity:7 constitution:14 intelligence:8 wisdom:13 charisma:15 [13:13:54] ---| <<-- ranti [i=2308dd82@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-a71b1f6809978fbd] has quit ("http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client") [13:14:48] ---| <<-- taco [n=taco@213-132-179-227.multikabel.nl] has quit () [13:15:15] ---| ---> jrochkind100 [i=8a10400b@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-52760b7b6315c169] has joined #code4lib [13:15:27] jrochkind100 | The Brown network blocks IRC, huh? BAH I SAY. I hate tecnology. [13:17:27] ---| <<-- hghgd [n=lll@e178021057.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit ("---") [13:19:40] jtgorman_ | why....why.......do....I....feel......so...weak? [13:20:06] jtgorman_ | oh no..my great weakness....curses....caffeine-free.....curse..it [13:20:18] jtgorman_ | jrochkind100: so...the 8000 port trick doesn't work? [13:21:24] * jtgorman_ is wondering a bit why people seem to be logging in via mibbit via 8000 [13:21:38] jtgorman_ | if mibbit can get in via port 8000 I would think your clients could too [13:21:52] jtgorman_ | duh [13:21:58] jtgorman_ | sorry, I'm feeling stupid today [13:22:10] ---| ---> BLTnoTomato [i=837a6839@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-138052e3e4eb64b5] has joined #code4lib [13:22:11] jtgorman_ | obviously port 80 is probably left open [13:22:31] * jtgorman_ thought the Brown folks already had told them that irc had to be running [13:22:47] jrochkind100 | mibbit is just over the web so of course works. [13:22:59] jrochkind100 | Well, after today we'll be in the hotel only, right? So entirley different network. 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[13:39:25] * BLTnoTomato feels worse after lunch... [13:40:29] jtgorman_ | oh...lunch [13:40:38] jtgorman_ | I knew I forgot to plan in something today [13:42:21] ---| <<-- MattyM [n=matt@62.172.77.66] has quit ("ta ta") [13:42:46] ---| <<-- tomkeays [n=chatzill@wsip-70-164-25-49.ri.ri.cox.net] has quit (Remote closed the connection) [13:45:29] royt | BLTnoTomato: well, next time don't hold the tomato... [13:47:15] jtgorman_ | royt: actually, at this point it may be a better idea to hold the tomato and hold the lettuce [13:47:46] * jtgorman_ hasn't checked to see if there's been any lettuce-related e coli breakouts, but if it can happen to spinach [13:47:51] jtgorman_ | ... [13:49:54] ---| ---> dlovins [n=chatzill@wsip-70-164-25-39.ri.ri.cox.net] has joined #code4lib [13:50:18] BillDueber | Hold the pickle. Hold the lettuce. Special orders don't upset us. [13:50:23] ---| ---> mpark [n=mpark@138.16.58.239] has joined #code4lib [13:53:20] ---| ---> MrDys [i=MrDys@wsip-70-164-25-62.ri.ri.cox.net] has joined #code4lib [13:54:35] ---| ---> jbrinley [i=jbrinley@wsip-70-164-25-41.ri.ri.cox.net] has joined #code4lib [13:55:39] ---| ---> iand [n=iand@wsip-70-164-25-20.ri.ri.cox.net] has joined #code4lib [13:55:42] jbrinley | @quote random [13:55:42] zoia | jbrinley: Quote #1106: "< dchud> anarchivist: tell the truth, you were trolling the personals looking for somebody to match 041 strings with, weren't you?" (added by anarchivist at 02:14 PM, December 28, 2007) [13:55:45] ---| ---> anarchivist [n=anarchiv@wsip-70-164-25-92.ri.ri.cox.net] has joined #code4lib [13:57:26] pmurray | @excuse [13:57:28] zoia | pmurray: An error has occurred and has been logged. Please contact this bot's administrator for more information. [13:57:34] anarchivist | @quote random [13:57:35] zoia | anarchivist: Quote #1020: " I pledge allegiance to the prescription of the United States of Merck" (added by a user that is no longer registered at 12:36 PM, September 19, 2007) [13:57:37] * pmurray still needs to work on that. [13:58:58] jtgorman_ | pmurray: and you can't have an excuse for not getting it done till you do...oh, the irony! [13:59:19] pmurray | jtgorman++ # Yeah, that sums it up! 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[14:04:39] jbrinley | @irony random [14:04:41] zoia | jbrinley: please forward your request to the appropriate tribal leader [14:06:49] ---| <--- scolford [n=scolford@138.16.58.238] has left #code4lib () [14:07:54] ---| ---> akorphan [i=46a4190c@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-3f86c261e4620a5d] has joined #code4lib [14:08:23] MrDys | @band [14:08:24] zoia | MrDys: Thunderstick and the Barcode Readers [14:08:40] ---| ---> wtd [n=chatzill@wsip-70-164-25-126.ri.ri.cox.net] has joined #code4lib [14:09:05] ---| <<-- iand [n=iand@wsip-70-164-25-20.ri.ri.cox.net] has quit (Nick collision from services.) 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(As opposed to the 3000-or-so IRC messages this morning.) [14:14:49] wickr | pmurray: we went to lunch [14:14:57] ---| ---> BigD [n=dfleming@wsip-70-164-25-52.ri.ri.cox.net] has joined #code4lib [14:15:09] pmurray | Ah -- that would explain it. [14:15:10] jbrinley | pmurray: we're coming back... [14:15:23] akorphan | so now will we get to uses beyond discoverability? [14:15:50] ---| ---> dchud [n=dchud@wsip-70-164-25-46.ri.ri.cox.net] has joined #code4lib [14:15:59] ---| <<-- mpark [n=mpark@138.16.58.239] has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) [14:19:08] ---| ---> Baroquem [n=matt@wsip-70-164-25-22.ri.ri.cox.net] has joined #code4lib [14:19:14] MrDys | @cyborg foaf [14:19:16] zoia | New news from planetcode4lib: del.icio.us: Learning - rdflib - End user documentation for learning how to use rdflib - Google Code || code4lib twitter mentions: erikhatcher: @ssiren yeah a very common misconception. It's like saying you need to be a C expert to run MySQL. Added to my #code4lib talk points! [14:19:17] zoia | MrDys: F.O.A.F.: Facsimile Optimized for Assassination and Fighting [14:19:36] ---| <<-- papo [i=mathias@libic042.ethz.ch] has quit ("Verlassend") [14:24:38] royt | @hosts2010 [14:24:40] zoia | royt: Asheville, NC [166]; Austin, TX [157]; Madison, WI [138]; Columbus, OH [102]; Bloomington, IN [72] [14:24:47] * royt weeps [14:24:56] davidWalker | come on Austin! [14:25:05] wickr | Asheville is rallying the troops...again... [14:25:11] anarchivist | asheville++ [14:25:20] pmurray | I guess Columbus is just not an interesting enough place to be... ;-( [14:25:36] anarchivist | pmurray: i would be fine with columbus [14:25:39] davidWalker | but apparently more interesting than Bloomington [14:26:34] ---| <<-- jrochkind100 [i=8a10400b@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-52760b7b6315c169] has quit ("http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client") [14:27:35] * royt gives Austin a shove [14:27:45] royt | @hosts2010 [14:27:47] zoia | royt: Asheville, NC [172]; Austin, TX [160]; Madison, WI [138]; Columbus, OH [102]; Bloomington, IN [72] [14:27:55] royt | ack! [14:28:20] rsinger | royt: well, you're not in /last/ place [14:28:26] royt | oh well, Asheville sounds nice too [14:28:27] eby_ | @karma not_ohio [14:28:28] zoia | eby_: not_ohio has neutral karma. [14:28:37] ---| ---> saschel [i=9dc10cb5@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-aab41cc8bd851b0c] has joined #code4lib [14:28:47] royt | rsinger: no, but our proposal was under the deadline ;-) [14:29:01] anarchivist | CHESTHAIRML! [14:29:16] anarchivist | CHESTHAIRDF [14:29:37] BigD | davidWalker: are you in Providence? [14:29:38] akorphan | chesthaiRNA [14:29:51] davidWalker | BigD: I'm sitting right behind you [14:30:00] anarchivist | someone play the crickets again [14:30:05] anarchivist | whoever it was before [14:30:10] BigD | yer so funny [14:30:11] davidWalker | no, just kidding, I'm in San Diego [14:30:30] davidWalker | You know, working the poor University [14:30:31] BillDueber | anarchivist: "Everyday, it's -a - getting closer, rolling faster than a roller coaster..." [14:31:03] ---| <<-- nic221 [i=8094bc0b@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-720dbe89c600ee1b] has quit ("http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client") [14:31:41] akorphan | I wonder how long until the Gap RDAs its shirts. [14:31:46] akorphan | err, RDFs [14:31:55] ---| ---> mib_2vdh7nhv [i=46a41923@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-3c1fc92ef1f52c9d] has joined #code4lib [14:32:09] ---| ---> taco [n=taco@ip565348c1.direct-adsl.nl] has joined #code4lib [14:32:38] anarchivist | *crickets* [14:32:40] anarchivist | *crickets* [14:32:44] anarchivist | *crickets* [14:32:45] pmurray | @dick [sandp eng] [14:32:50] zoia | pmurray: I don't mean to be a dick, but The S&P 500 INDEX is down 14.97 points (1.94%) to 755.08. [14:32:53] fak3r | anarchivist: I second the call for the cricket sound [14:32:55] robcaSSon | anyone want to look at my foaf? http://foam.lib.muohio.edu/foaf.rdf#me [14:33:05] ---| ---> mpark [n=mpark@138.16.58.239] has joined #code4lib [14:33:12] BillDueber | robcaSSon: I bet you say that to all the girls. [14:33:13] anarchivist | robcaSSon: assert that you know me [14:33:14] robcaSSon | @mfoaf anarchivist [14:33:15] zoia | robcaSSon: sure thing - right after I finish dropping off this replacement keyboard and spare barcode scanner, mmmkay? [14:33:16] BigD | mpark: you won a book! [14:33:17] MrDys | boo. asheville doesn't have an amtrak station [14:33:22] BigD | too bad you can't read [14:33:36] ---| ---> mbklein [n=mbklein@216.236.252.231] has joined #code4lib [14:33:37] anarchivist | http://thesecretmirror.com/foaf.xml#matienzo [14:33:40] fak3r | mpark: yeah man, where are you? fedora meeting? [14:34:08] mpark | just looks good on the shelf [14:34:15] mpark | fedora [14:34:15] wickr | robcaSSon: http://foaf.qdos.com/validator/uri?URI=http%3A%2F%2Ffoam.lib.muohio.edu%2Ffoaf.rdf%23me&PARSE=Parse+URI%3A+ [14:34:21] mpark | very good [14:34:28] pmurray | robcaSSon: Looks fine: http://foaf-visualizer.org/?uri=http://foam.lib.muohio.edu/foaf.rdf&hash=me [14:34:52] BillDueber | robcaSSon: BillDueber now knows robcaSSon [14:35:01] fak3r | mpark: how's it going? Is dan giving basic overview, or ? [14:35:02] pmurray | Whoops -- maybe not. [14:35:23] ---| <<-- taco [n=taco@ip565348c1.direct-adsl.nl] has quit (Client Quit) [14:35:38] BigD | http://www.declan.net/foaf.rdf there's mine [14:35:51] ---| ---> cschx_ [n=cschx@wsip-70-164-25-14.ri.ri.cox.net] has joined #code4lib [14:35:55] mpark | fak3r: mostly but some small details that help. plus i picked his brain on the shuttle over [14:36:03] BigD | it barfs a little on the validator, but it got me on edsu's list [14:36:11] fak3r | cool, I need to meet him too, have a few ? [14:36:34] mpark | he said he'd be available offline [14:37:17] ---| <<-- cschx_ [n=cschx@wsip-70-164-25-14.ri.ri.cox.net] has quit (Client Quit) [14:37:52] * jbrinley knows robcaSSon and BigD [14:37:58] mpark | BigD: take care of my book [14:38:09] ---| <<-- asl2 [n=asl2@dsl092-130-095.chi1.dsl.speakeasy.net] has quit ("Leaving.") [14:38:18] anarchivist | zzz [14:38:50] * mbklein knows robcaSSon [14:39:05] * anarchivist does too [14:39:08] * robcaSSon knows he keeps screwing up his foaf [14:39:15] anarchivist | gross [14:39:21] ---| ---> cschx [n=cschx@wsip-70-164-25-14.ri.ri.cox.net] has joined #code4lib [14:39:24] robcaSSon | don't knock it till you try it [14:39:49] danbri | wheres the aggregate / table of contents link again, sorry i lost it... [14:39:54] danbri | for all the foafs [14:40:05] wickr | robcaSSon: you don't need the long form of if you don't want [14:40:09] jbrinley | danbri: http://inkdroid.org/c4l2009/attendees [14:40:23] * mbklein knows BigD, but apparently is not known to him. [14:41:02] charper | robcaSSon: you've got an open tag wrapped around you. [14:41:08] ---| <<-- cliff_ [n=cliff@wsip-70-164-25-30.ri.ri.cox.net] has quit () [14:41:12] * pmurray knows BigD and robcaSSon, in the FOAF sense (http://dltj.org/foaf/foaf.rdf#me) [14:41:14] charper | close it and you should be good. [14:41:22] charper | hahahaah - random embedded emoticon... [14:41:37] akorphan | yay, my foaf finally validated. [14:42:10] ---| ---> eikeon [n=eikeon@140.147.245.39] has joined #code4lib [14:42:16] danbri | thanks jbrinley :) [14:42:37] anarchivist | jdatema knows the first rule of code4ib: bring your own dongle [14:42:51] akorphan | dongle sharing spreads disease! [14:42:56] anarchivist | akorphan++ [14:43:04] robcaSSon | wickr++ charper++ [14:43:27] anarchivist | drupalicious [14:43:27] ---| ---> epoz [i=46a41978@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-8e794ff5ef9bf4b8] has joined #code4lib [14:43:43] anarchivist | i'm so sleepy but i'm too scared to have any more caffeine [14:44:18] akorphan | I've got the lunch snoozies. [14:44:25] mbklein | mpark: Patrick's been trying to get the two of us introduced. I want to show you my reskinning/repurposing (aka ripoff) of your XForms MODS stuff. [14:44:59] * mbklein read the title slide as "Toward Shamelessness with XML" [14:45:01] mpark | mbklein: you read my mind [14:45:15] BigD | akorphan: me2 [14:45:38] dchud | i wrote that in early 1998 actually. it's a haworth journal, which took a year to publish to print. :( [14:46:35] akorphan | So is Drupal officially pronounced Droople? [14:46:46] akorphan | I always want to make it sound like it rhymes with a drag queen. [14:46:49] mbklein | 1) zoia needs a FOAF. 2) zoia needs a plugin that will let me register my URI, so I can then ask @knows mbklein and @knownby mbklein and get answers. [14:46:55] mbklein | Who wants to hack that with me? [14:47:14] jbrinley | mbklein++ [14:47:39] mbklein | jbrinley: Are you volunteering? :) [14:47:46] jbrinley | mbklein: sure, why not? [14:47:51] mbklein | Excellent. [14:47:57] wickr | mbklein: I think one of edsu's plugins got halfway there, querying the foaf or at least the attendee data [14:48:01] edsu | mbklein: would be a good thing to hack on [14:48:02] jbrinley | mbklein: what's zoia's URI? [14:48:03] zoia | New news from planetcode4lib: Spalding, Tim (Thingology): Classify your heart out [14:48:34] jbrinley | http://code4lib.org/id/zoia [14:48:49] mbklein | jbrinley: It should probably be hosted at breaksalot.org, since that's where the svn repository is. [14:49:13] anarchivist | drupal++ [14:49:14] wickr | well, it runs on rc98.net [14:49:14] jbrinley | who owns breaksalot.org? is that jaf? [14:49:17] wickr | gsf [14:49:24] mbklein | jbrinley: that's good, too, assuming we can layer RDFa into the wiki. [14:49:25] jbrinley | ah [14:49:40] mbklein | You got the "f" right at least. [14:49:53] jbrinley | mbklein: I think we can put rdfa into code4lib drupal [14:50:10] jbrinley | mbklein: but not sure if I can make pages or aliases [14:50:14] wickr | jbrinley: I think anarchivist was having issues with it [14:50:19] wickr | plus our drupal is currently very old [14:50:23] wickr | you're welcome to try though [14:50:34] jbrinley | wickr++ [14:50:39] anarchivist | wickr: not so much rdfa, but the rdf modules in terms of publishing a simple foaf profile [14:50:47] wickr | ah [14:51:48] royt | ack! i keep getting dropped off the attendees crawl [14:52:02] ---| ---> cliff_ [n=cliff@wsip-70-164-25-30.ri.ri.cox.net] has joined #code4lib [14:52:05] mbklein | It would be really nice to do both projects, and have zoia's FOAF dynamically generate the tags containing the URIs of those who have made themselves known to the plugin. [14:52:08] rsinger | so, uh.. what are we doing? [14:52:16] ---| <<-- mpark [n=mpark@138.16.58.239] has quit ("ChatZilla 0.9.84 [Firefox 3.0.6/2009011913]") [14:52:16] BigD | mbklein: yer in my foaf... [14:52:20] anarchivist | rsinger: lead the way my friend [14:52:25] wickr | mbklein: zoia already has people registered, would need another field for URI/foaf though [14:52:36] jbrinley | ok, how's this RDFa thing work? [14:52:46] anarchivist | i'd be up for start breaking out into groups [14:52:49] rsinger | anarchivist: i was planning on following more than leading [14:52:51] mbklein | wickr: Yeah, only those who have made their URIs known would actually be n [14:52:58] anarchivist | rsinger: whatever man, you're the champion [14:53:04] mbklein | rsinger: karaoke? [14:53:12] rsinger | but i could talk a bit about rdfa, i suppose [14:53:15] rsinger | not that i know much [14:53:18] scolford__ | karaoke++ [14:53:50] fak3r | anyone want to figure out what we can do with rdf - how sites could pub our FOAFs for example? [14:53:55] jbrinley | rsinger: tell us enought that we can make a zoia foaf page with it [14:54:00] anarchivist | charper: i'm up for talkin' about authorities [14:54:23] anarchivist | dchud: i'm up for getting an authority break out group at some point [14:55:30] fak3r | dchud: I'd like to talk more about caching shared data + distruting content - I'm all for git, like that model [14:55:39] wickr | jbrinley, mbklein: if you want eventually a dynamic foaf for zoia, you'd probably need it on one server, meaning I'm not sure zoia/rc98.net could write to code4lib.org [14:55:40] dchud | anarchivist: cool [14:55:46] * iand wondering if room is not conducive to unconference activities... we're all facing front [14:55:49] anarchivist | hg++ # :) [14:55:53] anarchivist | iand: yeah [14:55:59] anarchivist | iand: that's what im thinking [14:56:02] * robcaSSon is ready to hit the pub [14:56:02] ---| User: *** mib_2vdh7nhv is now known as escowles [14:56:05] rsinger | so i take that as no interest in rdfa? [14:56:06] jbrinley | wickr: oh, good point [14:56:07] anarchivist | iand: plus post-lunch torpor [14:56:13] jbrinley | rsinger: I'm interested [14:56:14] akorphan | mmm, torpor. [14:56:14] iand | yep :) [14:56:32] iand | torpor++ [14:56:41] MrDys | @cyborg torpor [14:56:43] zoia | MrDys: T.O.R.P.O.R.: Technician Optimized for Rational Peacekeeping and Online Repair [14:56:46] akorphan | I fancy a good curry. [14:56:57] jbrinley | rsinger: do you want to take a group into a corner? [14:56:58] akorphan | @cyborg zoia [14:56:58] robcaSSon | @dict torpor [14:57:00] zoia | robcaSSon: wn, gcide, and moby-thes responded: wn: torpor n 1: a state of motor and mental inactivity with a partial suspension of sensibility; "he fell into a deep torpor" [syn: {torpidity}] 2: inactivity resulting from torpidity and lack of vigor or energy [syn: {listlessness}, {torpidity}, {torpidness}]; gcide: Torpor \Tor"por\, n. [L., from torpere, to be torpid.] [1913 Webster] 1. Loss of motion, or of the motion; (5 more messages) [14:57:01] zoia | akorphan: Z.O.I.A.: Zealous Observation and Infiltration Android [14:57:02] ---| ---> wickr_ [n=wickr@c-24-21-35-5.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has joined #code4lib [14:57:21] anarchivist | NO DONGLE SHARING [14:58:19] robcaSSon | anarchivist: your dongle is in my foaf [14:58:26] jbrinley | note to all: foaf:knows != friend [14:58:28] akorphan | Your foaf is in my dongle! [14:58:48] wickr_ | mbklein: also http://times.usefulinc.com/2003/08/18-foafbot [14:58:52] ---| ---> mbklein_ [n=mbklein@192.80.65.231] has joined #code4lib [14:58:54] akorphan | I'm not really sure what's going on, but everyone is quiet.... [14:59:04] pmurray | I thought in-person meetings were all about dongle sharing... [14:59:18] fak3r | damn macs [14:59:18] ---| <<-- wickr [n=wickr@c-24-21-35-5.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has quit (Nick collision from services.) [14:59:21] ---| <<-- saschel [i=9dc10cb5@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-aab41cc8bd851b0c] has quit ("http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client") [14:59:21] ---| User: *** wickr_ is now known as wickr [14:59:24] pmurray | I mean, it just isn't the same as cyber-dongle-sharing [14:59:40] fak3r | akorphan: mjg said it'd be looser this afternoon, but... [15:00:01] akorphan | the ongle of the dongle is inversely proportional.... [15:00:36] jbrinley | as an attendee here, what I could use is some discrete options [15:00:40] anarchivist | remote dongle framework [15:00:54] akorphan | jbrinley: as opposed to continuous? [15:00:55] jbrinley | tell me "Go to point A for activity X, B for Y, or C for Z [15:01:07] ---| <--- pmurray [n=pmurray@drc-dev.ohiolink.edu] has left #code4lib () [15:01:16] jbrinley | akorphan: as opposed to amorphous, unspecified options [15:01:16] ---| ---> pmurray [n=pmurray@drc-dev.ohiolink.edu] has joined #code4lib [15:01:17] ---| <--- pmurray [n=pmurray@drc-dev.ohiolink.edu] has left #code4lib () [15:01:20] mbklein_ | What's the ghost command again? [15:01:33] dbs | /msg nickserv ghost mbklein password [15:01:34] jbrinley | or a book raffle, to get everyone focused again [15:01:40] ---| ---> pmurray [n=pmurray@drc-dev.ohiolink.edu] has joined #code4lib [15:01:41] anarchivist | jbrinley: someone needs to just stand up and start herding [15:01:42] ---| ---> mpark [n=mpark@138.16.58.239] has joined #code4lib [15:01:46] fak3r | cricket sound to break the ice? [15:01:50] jbrinley | anarchivist: exactly [15:01:53] anarchivist | *crickets* [15:01:56] jbrinley | who's running this show? [15:02:03] anarchivist | no one apparently :) [15:02:09] ---| <<-- mbklein [n=mbklein@216.236.252.231] has quit (Nick collision from services.) [15:02:11] pmurray | jbrinley: Jay Jordan [15:02:17] akorphan | it's nice not to have to think for a bit [15:02:20] ---| User: *** mbklein_ is now known as mbklein [15:02:27] * mbklein hates wearing underscores [15:02:34] akorphan | must... resist... postprandial... torpor! [15:02:36] dbs | mbklein: you could always work on a nice LOD version of EDI and get paid at the same time! [15:02:36] mbklein | dbs++ [15:02:38] jbrinley | I don't think anyone running things is paying attention to the channel [15:02:48] ---| <<-- mpark [n=mpark@138.16.58.239] has quit (Client Quit) [15:02:51] fak3r | jbrinley: hopefully not [15:03:19] ---| <<-- eby_ [n=ebyr@99.178.199.246] has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) [15:03:28] jtgorman_ | jbrinley: who's speaking now? [15:03:30] mbklein | dbs: I'm having trouble finding the overlap in the domains. :) All things being equal, I'm gonna have to stick with the paying gig. :) [15:03:40] jbrinley | jtgorman_: no one [15:03:52] BigD | jtgorman_: about half of the audience [15:04:02] jbrinley | wickr: is it possible to set a URL on code4lib.org to point to a page on breaksalot/rc98? [15:04:03] dbs | crank it up: http://www.freesound.org/samplesViewSingle.php?id=420 [15:04:06] jtgorman_ | BigD: oh, sounds like our staff meetings [15:04:07] BigD | while the guys onstage perform the dongle dance [15:04:20] jbrinley | wickr: so we can give zoia a code4lib.org URI, but put her foaf on breaksalot? [15:04:36] ---| <<-- iand [n=iand@wsip-70-164-25-20.ri.ri.cox.net] has quit (Nick collision from services.) [15:04:36] mbklein | "BigD is now known as BigDongle" [15:04:45] fak3r | there's teh crikets! nice! [15:04:46] ---| ---> iand1 [n=iand@wsip-70-164-25-20.ri.ri.cox.net] has joined #code4lib [15:04:48] jtgorman_ | oooohhhhh, zoia_in_foaf++ [15:04:53] wickr | jbrinley: yeah, I think so [15:04:53] fak3r | please post somewhere so we can all dnld it [15:04:58] ---| User: *** iand1 is now known as iand [15:05:18] mbklein | @seen gsf [15:05:19] zoia | mbklein: gsf was last seen in #code4lib 2 hours, 24 minutes, and 45 seconds ago: mjg_: so close, so far [15:05:20] jtgorman_ | first step froward for autonomous computerized intelligences [15:05:30] jbrinley | crickets++ [15:05:43] dchud | ok enough with the crickets :) [15:05:45] gsf | mbklein: i'm here [15:05:46] MrDys | what a buncha maroons [15:05:47] jbrinley | where's_the_plus_sign?++ [15:05:52] mbklein | passive_aggressive_snark++ [15:05:54] * akorphan is waiting to get his foaf crawled. [15:05:58] akorphan | ... that sounds dirty. [15:06:01] * jtgorman_ pictures someone rigging a projector that points to the ceiling so that th epresenter can see the channel chatter [15:06:05] BigD | akorphan: aw yeah [15:06:10] jbrinley | gsf: we want to foaf up zoia [15:06:11] gsf | mbklein: thinking about good uri for zoia [15:06:24] cschx | hey, anyone have experience using the various RDF packages for Ruby and want to recommend one? [15:06:32] fak3r | soundfx, damn nice [15:06:38] jbrinley | gsf, mbklein: I think code4lib.org/id/zoia should redirect to a foaf on breaksalot [15:06:50] fak3r | I want to work with Drupal/RDF stuff, installing Neologism now if anyone else wants to breakout [15:07:03] akorphan | it'd be nice if the crawler page printed the time of completion of the last crawl. [15:07:21] danbri | fak3r, you might also look at the ARC toolkit, nice PHP RDF stuff, SPARQL etc... though i don't know if anyone has integrated it with Drupal yet [15:07:24] wickr | akorphan: submit a patch! :) [15:07:31] gsf | jbrinley: do we have access to do that redirect at code4lib.org? [15:07:39] wickr | gsf: yeah, I can do it [15:07:39] * jtgorman_ tries to find a link to one of the glasses w/ builtin in display but fails [15:07:39] jbrinley | gsf: wickr said we could [15:07:40] akorphan | I'd have to learn another P language first. [15:07:41] danbri | re RDF/ruby, I recommend against my RubyRdf stuff (2001-3ish). out of date.... [15:07:43] akorphan | I think I'm at my quota. [15:07:48] mbklein | gsf: Can you make a nicely-formed URI that will actually pull from the svn repository, so the FOAF can live within the plugin code? (For easy committer access) [15:07:49] danbri | not sure what best alternative is these days tho [15:07:49] gsf | ok [15:08:01] anarchivist | fak3r: might be up for that [15:08:12] royt | @hosts2010 [15:08:13] wickr | but I'm unsure exactly how the redirect would work [15:08:15] jtgorman_ | deadlinks on medai.mit.edu lab makes me sad :( [15:08:18] zoia | royt: Asheville, NC [172]; Austin, TX [160]; Madison, WI [138]; Columbus, OH [102]; Bloomington, IN [72] [15:08:24] anarchivist | fak3r: i just ran up to the front of the room to talk to about the authorities stuff [15:08:29] jtgorman_ | ah well, play time is over, time to go back to work [15:08:48] jbrinley | what's zoia's plugin svn url, again? [15:09:07] pmurray | jbrinley: http://svn.breaksalot.org/supybot-plugins/ [15:09:14] mbklein | gsf: I don't know how long you've been following, but the idea is to combine zoia's FOAF with a plugin that will let us register our URIs and query relationships. zoia's FOAF would ideally be writable by the plugin to add elements on the fly as people register. [15:09:19] jbrinley | pmurray++ [15:09:38] mbklein | (Is zoia multi-threaded? Would locking be a problem?) [15:09:41] ---| <<-- rsinger [n=rsinger@wsip-70-164-25-27.ri.ri.cox.net] has quit () [15:09:51] gsf | mbklein: right, and the foaf would be in subversion? [15:10:11] dchud | charper is holding court up here, we should give him the mic [15:10:24] MrDys | @sing beastie boys : pass the mic [15:10:26] zoia | True Feelings Are Shown From The Way That I Talk / And This Is Me, Y'All - I M.C., Y'All / My Name Is M.C.A. And I Still Do What I Please / And Now I'd Like To Introduce I'll Pass The Mic To D. For A Fist Full Of Truth [15:10:28] mbklein | gsf: Yeah. So we can upload the initial copy, but it can be altered by the plugin. Not sure how subversion would deal with that. [15:10:29] BigD | dchud: make it so [15:10:31] anarchivist | dchud: no, don't, it's nice having a breakout [15:10:35] BigD | i'm fading out... [15:10:47] jbrinley | gsf: can we make zoia commit her foaf when it updates? [15:11:25] mbklein | Someone give BigD an octo-shot espresso or something. [15:11:31] ---| User: *** scolford__ is now known as scolford [15:11:39] gsf | jbrinley: i don't think that would be recursive [15:12:03] wickr | gsf: maybe bypass subversion and just let hte plugin publish a static file? [15:12:09] dchud | BigD, anarchivist: it's like having one of you on each of my shoulders whispering in my ear [15:12:15] mbklein | scolford: Have you lodged a shower head complaint yet? Or do you want me to do it? [15:12:16] gsf | wickr: that would simplify things [15:12:50] mbklein | wickr / gsf: Sounds good. [15:13:22] anarchivist | BigD is the devil [15:13:23] anarchivist | obviously [15:13:36] jtgorman_ | mit: why? http://www.media.mit.edu/resenv/badge/? [15:13:41] mbklein | BorgD is the collective [15:13:49] jbrinley | mbklein: ok, made a folder plugins/FOAF for working on this [15:13:53] * mbklein is feeling a little punchy [15:14:05] jtgorman_ | mit: this might be fun....but I can't read your webpage without feeling like I want to rip out my eyeballs [15:14:57] MrDys | Conjunctive Junction [15:15:02] fak3r | sounds personal [15:15:08] ---| <<-- erikstattin [n=erikstat@72-255-24-17.client.stsn.net] has quit () [15:15:33] scolford | mbklein: please be my guest. i'm stuck at Brown for the day. [15:15:44] dchud | quads! quints! octoassertions! [15:16:00] ---| ---> rsinger [n=rsinger@wsip-70-164-25-27.ri.ri.cox.net] has joined #code4lib [15:16:22] gsf | jbrinley, mbklein: working on initial /var/www/rc98.net/zoia.rdf on that machine [15:16:42] jbrinley | gsf++ [15:16:44] mbklein | gsf++ [15:16:58] lbjay | let's hope it parses better than ander's foaf file [15:17:06] ---| <<-- DHahn [n=dhahn@138.16.58.19] has quit () [15:17:42] ---| <<-- dbs [n=dan@pdpc/supporter/active/dbs] has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) [15:17:53] ---| User: *** jphipps is now known as jphipps|away [15:18:00] zoia | New news from planetcode4lib: del.icio.us: code4lib2009 attendees || Chudnov, Dan: code4lib 2009 talk on caching and proxying linked data [15:18:23] * jbrinley wishes he new something about writing plugins [15:19:04] dchud | jbrinley: hey i'm curious what you thought i said about selection that was elitist [15:19:22] dchud | i mean, i know i'm an elitist, i'm just curious if it was worse than i thought :) [15:19:38] mbklein | jbrinley: Where'd you go? I'll come to you. [15:20:02] BigD | anarchivist: is saddam [15:20:05] jbrinley | dchud: you were talking about how the cloud graph isn't selected, it's just stuff found on the web. but it is selected. it's selected by the people that made the connections in the first place. So it may not be selected by reference librarians, but it is selected. [15:20:19] jbrinley | mbklein: I'm front-right [15:20:21] * akorphan is VE-RY ANG-RY (huff, huff) at his AC adapter. [15:20:28] dchud | jbrinley: oh yeah that's definitely right [15:20:41] lbjay | pmurray: where are you? [15:20:47] jbrinley | dchud: I've no problem with elitism, but you should say that it's not selected by librarians, not that it's not selected. [15:20:53] pmurray | lbjay: Columbus, OH [15:20:57] lbjay | pmurray: oh [15:20:58] dchud | jbrinley: i come from a perspective of "can i run a library with this" ...dunno if that's elitist, but you're right that that's how i was judging it [15:21:13] dchud | good point :) [15:21:27] BillDueber | Is there still a page mapping irc nicks to real names somewhere on the code4lib site? [15:21:35] pmurray | lbjay: There are a couple of other people from OhioLINK there. Thomas Dowling and (I think) John Davison [15:21:43] wickr | BillDueber: yeah, off the irc page I think [15:21:47] * BillDueber wants to be able to look at a nametag and know when the right hook is coming. [15:21:53] lbjay | pmurray: " ERROR - http://dltj.org/foaf/:79:8: Invalid property attribute" [15:21:58] wickr | BillDueber: not something that keeps getting updated though [15:22:11] BigD | BillDueber: I'm dchud [15:22:13] pmurray | lbjay++ # Thanks -- I'll take a look [15:22:21] dchud | BillDueber: I'm Batman [15:22:32] wickr | George Clooney Batman? [15:22:34] lbjay | pmurray: i'm monitoring the crawler to make sure some new folks get on [15:22:40] BigD | you can tell by his gravelly voice [15:22:40] rsinger | michael keaton [15:22:57] akorphan | I imagine I'm the only person at the conference who has "Orphan" as a substring of his badge. [15:22:58] dchud | Michael Keaton Batman with a little bit of Night Shift Michael Keaton [15:22:59] BillDueber | michael_keaton_batman++ # this was a guy who needed a suit to channel his psychosis [15:22:59] BigD | i'm christian bale [15:23:04] BigD | i can't work with you people [15:23:14] anarchivist | BigD++ [15:23:27] MrDys | BigD: say it in a gravelier voice [15:23:41] * BigD eyeballs his growing email queue [15:24:16] mbklein | gsf: Depiction? http://www.peacebuttons.info/IMAGES/0316.1972_Zoia-Horn.jpg [15:25:07] ---| ---> eby_ [n=ebyr@adsl-99-178-199-246.dsl.sfldmi.sbcglobal.net] has joined #code4lib [15:25:25] dchud | i fear my lack of sleep is catching up with me quickly [15:25:38] anarchivist | i'm chuck bass! [15:25:42] BigD | me2... where can we score some coccaine? [15:25:49] anarchivist | BigD++ [15:26:41] MrDys | slut must mean something in swedish that it does not in english [15:26:58] pmurray | lbjay: I thought that bit was legal. Let me know if you see the error show up again. [15:27:16] MrDys | ah slut = 'end' auf swedish [15:27:41] mbklein | gsf: Can you easy_install rdflib onto breaksalot.org? Or is it already there? [15:27:55] * jtgorman_ energy level is dropping [15:28:59] ---| ---> flyingzumwalt [i=46a4190c@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-c72ea1384d5977af] has joined #code4lib [15:29:11] gsf | mbklein: python-rdflib is already installed [15:29:22] mbklein | gsf++ [15:29:28] fak3r | [15:29:57] ---| <<-- andyashton [n=chatzill@128.148.178.88] has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) [15:30:05] MrDys | nej! nej! [15:30:20] fak3r | they're trying to hack the system! [15:30:56] fak3r | again, macs are the problem...wow [15:31:01] jbrinley | anybody wanting to learn/teach about rdflib, find /me and mbklein in the front-right corner [15:31:07] jbrinley | ^ edsu? [15:31:08] gsf | mbklein: http://rc98.net/img/zoia.jpg [15:31:16] ---| User: *** jphipps|away is now known as jphipps [15:31:21] mbklein | gsf fw [15:31:25] mbklein | s/fw/ftw/ [15:31:32] BillDueber | jbrinley: Including how to get a triplestore up and running without putting a gun in your mouth? [15:31:49] ---| ---> asl2 [n=asl2@adsl-75-3-64-22.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net] has joined #code4lib [15:31:53] dchud | indemnified linked data [15:32:18] ---| ---> andyashton [n=chatzill@128.148.178.88] has joined #code4lib [15:32:30] robcaSSon | "horton shoots a nazi" [15:32:35] anarchivist | robcaSSon++ [15:32:40] fak3r | width = 110% [15:32:43] MrDys | geisel_library's_architecture++ [15:33:05] MrDys | http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/f5/Geisel_library.jpg [15:33:36] ---| <<-- BillDueber [n=dueberb@waffle.umdl.umich.edu] has quit () [15:33:40] rsinger | the whole series... "Dr. Seuss Goes to Washington" [15:33:46] rsinger | "On the Road to Whoville" [15:33:53] gsf | mbklein, jbrinley: zoia should have read and write on /var/www/rc98.net/zoia.rdf [15:34:02] jbrinley | gsf++ [15:34:11] ---| ---> rosy1280 [n=rosy1280@155.47.104.38] has joined #code4lib [15:34:24] rsinger | The Dirty Things 1-12 [15:34:56] MrDys | it's like the picture is speaking to me!\ [15:35:04] anarchivist | MrDys++ [15:35:06] * jtgorman_ makes a morose chuckle to himself as a student sends in an email asking why descriptions of the books are so short [15:35:08] fak3r | MrDys++ [15:35:44] anarchivist | @quote add i'd push my fuckin' grandma into solr [15:35:45] ---| ---> design4lib [i=8a10580b@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-ea087ffcf883f68c] has joined #code4lib [15:35:46] zoia | anarchivist: The operation succeeded. Quote #1715 added. [15:36:12] rsinger | Throw Grandma From the Distributed Faceting Index [15:36:14] ---| ---> dbs [n=dan@pdpc/supporter/active/dbs] has joined #code4lib [15:36:17] anarchivist | aunty entity? [15:36:19] MrDys | rsinger++ [15:36:24] anarchivist | WHO RUN BARTERTOWN [15:36:40] anarchivist | LIFT EMBARGO [15:36:46] ---| <<-- akorphan [i=46a4190c@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-3f86c261e4620a5d] has quit ("http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client") [15:36:49] rsinger | anarchivist: smells like shit to me [15:36:53] anarchivist | rsinger++ [15:37:09] anarchivist | ah, beyond thunderdome. it's like 3+ movies in one. [15:37:15] rsinger | i pretend i'm master blaster when i put che on my shoulders [15:37:21] ---| ---> akorphan [i=46a4190c@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-bc80b9d910ef9e83] has joined #code4lib [15:37:32] akorphan | %$#@%$ ctrl-w. [15:37:38] anarchivist | rsinger: the mind of child [15:37:48] anarchivist | CAPTAIN WALKAH! [15:37:53] rsinger | c'est moi, c'est moi, t'is i [15:37:54] ---| <<-- mib_5wd3g5ge [i=8a10580b@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-c4a8ffe0d6e09ceb] has quit ("http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client") [15:37:58] ---| <--- rosy1280 [n=rosy1280@155.47.104.38] has left #code4lib () [15:38:05] edsu | rsinger: this is going well right? :) [15:38:10] * dchud hums "master blaster" [15:38:11] edsu | rsinger: what were you worried about? [15:38:27] edsu | dchud: that was quiet [15:38:29] rsinger | edsu: is it? [15:39:07] lbjay | ladies & gentlemen, can i FOAF you? [15:39:20] anarchivist | mjg_: http://icanhascheezburger.files.wordpress.com/2009/02/funny-pictures-your-slippers-have-been-replaced-with-ferrets.jpg [15:39:22] edsu | lbjay++ [15:39:24] dchud | "look upon me! i'll show you the FOAF of the mind!" [15:39:30] ---| ---> mpark [n=mpark@138.16.58.239] has joined #code4lib [15:39:42] edsu | anarchivist: you want to hack on that archival thesaurus? [15:39:53] anarchivist | edsu: yeah maybe [15:40:04] anarchivist | edsu: either that or pulling out and taking about authorities more [15:40:06] danbri | not this one? http://www.ukat.org.uk/downloads/data.php [15:40:13] edsu | epoz: interested in what pdf tools you used from python [15:40:20] MrDys | dchud: don't light the hotel hallways on fire [15:40:34] dchud | MrDys: thank goodness you got that :) [15:40:40] anarchivist | edsu: wickr already extracted some of the text just using acrobat pro [15:40:44] lbjay | dchud++ # barton fink ref [15:40:53] dchud | a twofer! [15:41:04] dchud | "he's a man! we exchanged PGP keys!" [15:41:04] lbjay | dchud: i needed MrDys's clue [15:41:23] flyingzumwalt | kicking the tires of Django/appengine on mac. running into strangeness. anybody interested in lending a hand? [15:41:28] ---| ---> kevin7kal [n=kevin7ka@300bd-210.tlt.psu.edu] has joined #code4lib [15:43:46] wickr | danbri: http://www.archivists.org/publications/epubs/thesaurus.asp [15:44:10] epoz | edsu: http://www.unixuser.org/~euske/python/pdfminer/index.html [15:44:18] gsf | flyingzumwalt: are you in the linked data room? [15:44:23] epoz | for parsing and text extraction [15:44:29] danbri | "topical facets are academic affairs, administration, classes of persons, corporate culture, events, fields of study, history, infrastructure, sports, and student life" [15:44:31] flyingzumwalt | yep. front row center [15:44:33] danbri | nice, i'd like to see that one! [15:44:39] MrDys | which CMS did he just say that they went with? [15:44:46] dchud | i think i want to hack on some linked data with nodebox tonight. try to make some pictures of something. [15:44:52] dchud | dunno what yet [15:45:02] wickr | danbri: anarchivist's post: http://thesecretmirror.com/linked-data/structured-archival-thesauri [15:45:18] danbri | what's the rights situation? [15:45:19] epoz | edsu: and http://www.swftools.org/ for converting PDFs to SWF (this is the tech behind scribd.com BTW) [15:45:31] danbri | i like thesauri that don't vanish from the web best :) [15:45:38] wickr | danbri: ask anarchivist :) [15:45:44] anarchivist | danbri: SAA has the rights [15:46:09] anarchivist | danbri: i've been emailing the woman who edited the thesaurus and she loves the idea of publishing it in SKOS/whatever [15:46:26] ---| <<-- iand [n=iand@wsip-70-164-25-20.ri.ri.cox.net] has quit ("Leaving.") [15:46:34] danbri | that's great :) [15:46:36] * jtgorman_ wishes he hadn't forgotten his headphones [15:46:36] gsf | flyingzumwalt: i'll make my way up to you [15:46:42] ---| ---> iand [n=iand@wsip-70-164-25-20.ri.ri.cox.net] has joined #code4lib [15:46:44] danbri | does she have a nicer form than pdf for you? [15:47:26] anarchivist | danbri: access database [15:47:35] anarchivist | danbri: but the PDFs are the most update version [15:47:37] gsf | flyingzumwalt: unless you want to move to the back of the room [15:47:57] ---| <<-- royt [i=8a10580b@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-fbd76406fb29f393] has quit ("http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client") [15:48:32] eikeon | poof [15:48:39] zoia | New news from planetcode4lib: del.icio.us: rdflib 2.4 — rdflib v2.4.1 documentation || Engard, Nicole: NFAIS 2009: Digital Natives and Professional Searching: Improving the User Experience [15:48:43] danbri | cool! [15:48:50] flyingzumwalt | @gsf I'll slide back when this chat wraps up. [15:48:52] zoia | flyingzumwalt: HFS, shock g = humpty hump?!?!?!!@# [15:48:59] danbri | announce it to public-esw-thes@w3.org if you get it SKOS'd! [15:49:42] eikeon | Hmm... /me learns rdflib bits from zoia [15:49:51] flyingzumwalt | zoia: huh? [15:49:52] zoia | flyingzumwalt: maybe you ought to ask a professional [15:50:00] wickr | flyingzumwalt: don't use @ in here [15:50:09] wickr | flyingzumwalt: unless you want a zoia command [15:50:48] robcaSSon | solr++ [15:50:55] fak3r | solr ftw [15:50:58] dchud | that's really well said [15:51:35] ---| <<-- mpark [n=mpark@138.16.58.239] has quit ("ChatZilla 0.9.84 [Firefox 3.0.6/2009011913]") [15:51:51] gsf | BigD has a manager hat [15:52:02] fak3r | gsf++ [15:52:06] ---| <--- design4lib [i=8a10580b@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-ea087ffcf883f68c] has left #code4lib () [15:52:10] * anarchivist imagines BigD wearing a sombrero [15:52:58] ---| <<-- escowles [i=46a41923@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-3c1fc92ef1f52c9d] has quit ("http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client") [15:53:15] MrDys | what the f...twitter's hash tag search is acting funky [15:53:25] epoz | anarchivist: I have that thesaurus PDF as a html text file for ya. Can I dump it somewhere? [15:53:44] dchud | feels like something couchdbish might be a better fit for that [15:53:48] dchud | but what do i know [15:53:50] edsu | danbri: so ukat is already skos? [15:53:54] anarchivist | epoz: sure, you can email me [15:54:00] anarchivist | epoz: mark.matienzo@gmail.com [15:54:03] anarchivist | edsu: yeah [15:54:20] ---| ---> phase_bb2 [n=phase_bb@m2e5e36d0.tmodns.net] has joined #code4lib [15:54:22] flyingzumwalt | dchud: ben's looking at couchdb specifically for that. [15:54:27] danbri | I think they made a SKOS version, and Alistair somehow improved it or made an alternate one [15:54:42] danbri | it is very general, covers all kinds of things lightly [15:54:47] danbri | except places [15:54:54] danbri | the rejections website is fun [15:55:11] edsu | epoz++ # for http://www.unixuser.org/~euske/python/pdfminer/index.html [15:55:34] anarchivist | edsu: http://www.ukat.org.uk/downloads/data.php [15:55:54] lbjay | Herbert's MESUR project is using allegrograph [15:55:54] ---| <<-- tomkeays [n=chatzill@wsip-70-164-25-49.ri.ri.cox.net] has quit ("ChatZilla 0.9.84 [Firefox 3.0.6/2009011912]") [15:56:01] anarchivist | mesur++ [15:56:05] anarchivist | hervert++ [15:56:09] danbri | this is great: http://www.ukat.org.uk/thesaurus/rejected.php [15:56:33] danbri | Rejected term: Young women's christian associations [15:56:33] danbri | Help. [15:56:33] danbri | Source: MRC/LCSH [15:56:33] danbri | Status: Rejected [15:56:33] danbri | Reasons for rejection [15:56:34] danbri | Corporate name [15:56:36] edsu | oh duh, didn't see the skos output on that page [15:56:38] danbri | i think that one's an error [15:56:49] anarchivist | Reasons for rejection [15:56:49] anarchivist | Proprietary software deemed too specific [15:56:51] epoz | anarchivist: I am being dense, in stead of mail, just see: http://tudlr.tudelft.nl/beeldbank/code4lib_linked_data_1.html [15:56:51] danbri | since the rejected term is an uncapitalized plural [15:56:59] epoz | you can wget it from there [15:57:09] epoz | and do some regex replace to strip the tags. [15:57:33] ---| ---> papo [n=mathias@adsl-177-161-fixip.tiscali.ch] has joined #code4lib [15:57:41] * jtgorman_ tries to concentrate despite the three conversations going on around him and starts realizing why he might keep getting headaches [15:57:45] lbjay | :w [15:58:08] lbjay | :e my brain [15:58:11] anarchivist | epoz++ [15:58:13] wickr | anarchivist: looks like you can get the depth from the left: ###px CSS [15:58:34] anarchivist | wickr: my head just exploded [15:58:41] ---| ---> cbarr [i=8a10580b@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-12cf3c54d5eabb04] has joined #code4lib [15:58:42] danbri | tempting to make the rejections into a SKOS thesaurus too. [15:58:48] wickr | epoz++ # none of hte text exports I could do would preserve the depth of the hierarchy [15:58:52] ---| ---> Janusman [n=chatzill@200.23.146.254] has joined #code4lib [15:59:08] * edsu wonders how the gis preconf is going [15:59:20] anarchivist | edsu: i was too lazy to go over there [15:59:21] BLTnoTomato | anyone know of a way to export mediawiki into drupal? [15:59:32] ---| ---> tomkeays [n=chatzill@wsip-70-164-25-49.ri.ri.cox.net] has joined #code4lib [15:59:35] robcaSSon | edsu: i think they were having wifi issues on-campus to [15:59:36] BLTnoTomato | (sorry for the o/t question) [16:00:01] wickr | anarchivist: 1st level is 144, 2nd is 171, 3rd is 204 [16:00:12] wickr | nasty regexes, but doable [16:00:15] anarchivist | wickr: awesome [16:00:22] jtgorman_ | robcaSSon: it would be interesting to see if code4lib actually has a noticable impact on network usage [16:00:46] ---| <<-- cbarr [i=8a10580b@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-12cf3c54d5eabb04] has quit (Client Quit) [16:00:49] jtgorman_ | BLTnoTomato: you really don't need to apologize for off topic questions as long as they're vaguely technical [16:00:50] * robcaSSon fires up rtorrent [16:01:27] flyingzumwalt | gsf - where are you sitting? [16:02:08] * BLTnoTomato now wonders how "technical" the question of "What am I doing wrong with my life and how can I improve it" is.... [16:02:33] edsu | did anyone work on the zoia plugin at all? [16:02:52] wickr | edsu: jbrinley and mbklein are hacking on it [16:02:52] jtgorman_ | BLTnoTomato: I wouldn't ask that question here....not because of the nature of it, but the quality of the response. [16:03:06] jbrinley | edsu: feel free to join us [16:03:07] BLTnoTomato | lol... np [16:03:08] pmurray | @sandp eng [16:03:09] jbrinley | edsu: front right [16:03:11] gsf | flyingzumwalt: next to iand [16:03:13] zoia | pmurray: An error has occurred and has been logged. Please contact this bot's administrator for more information. [16:03:18] pmurray | @dow eng [16:03:21] BLTnoTomato | back to the exporting of mediawiki into drupal then [16:03:22] zoia | pmurray: An error has occurred and has been logged. Please contact this bot's administrator for more information. [16:03:22] jbrinley | edsu: we could use any sparql expertise you have [16:03:37] anarchivist | BLTnoTomato: http://drupal.org/project/mediawiki [16:04:35] BLTnoTomato | thanks anarchivist, i'll take a look at that one again [16:04:56] akorphan | this is kind of the best afternoon session ever. [16:05:55] epoz | What I am trying to SKOSify, but not managing to focus on: http://www.library.tudelft.nl/ns/MODS-extension/subjects.xml [16:06:02] ---| <<-- flyingzumwalt [i=46a4190c@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-c72ea1384d5977af] has quit ("http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client") [16:06:13] epoz | my head is too fuzzy :-( what else is new? [16:06:25] akorphan | I can't get my FOAF to get spidered. I blame jmcasden. [16:06:45] wickr | akorphan: what's your URI? [16:06:50] ---| <<-- robcaSSon [i=46a4190c@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-83de8ad004d866ed] has quit ("http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client") [16:07:04] akorphan | http://www4.ncsu.edu/~akorphan/foaf.rdf#akorphan [16:07:12] ---| ---> robcaSSon [i=46a4190c@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-d1bf74bbf4a6dd78] has joined #code4lib [16:07:44] akorphan | oh, I see an obvious typo now. [16:07:56] akorphan | I forgot to change all my #mes [16:08:13] ---| ---> JodiS [n=JodiS@wsip-70-164-25-25.ri.ri.cox.net] has joined #code4lib [16:08:59] lbjay | i hate when i forget i hate diet coke [16:09:32] fak3r | again, mac = problem [16:09:42] anarchivist | @quote add i have my dongle, i have everything [16:09:42] zoia | anarchivist: The operation succeeded. Quote #1716 added. [16:09:42] gsf | ross + dongle = problem [16:10:05] fak3r | ping [16:10:10] gsf | anarchivist++ [16:10:23] fak3r | just made his icon jump [16:11:51] fak3r | diff talis georgia_tech [16:12:39] gsf | from this angle ross looks a little like neil patrick harris [16:12:46] anarchivist | gsf++ [16:12:48] fak3r | gsf++ [16:13:26] edsu | eikeon: what does it mean if rdflib is spending a long time doing "2009-02-23 16:06:23,513 - rdflib.store.Sleepycat - DEBUG - sync" ? [16:13:30] BigD | MrDys: if you like Geisel's architecture, you might like this shot: http://www.flickr.com/photos/bigdpix/3249021571/in/set-72157613298015450/ [16:13:32] fak3r | he's not using wysiwyg - he's old school! [16:13:44] mbklein | edsu: We could actually use some sparql help over here if you've got a sec. [16:13:52] MrDys | BigD: spacey [16:14:09] dbs | Is "christian association" like "biblical knowing"? Hmm. "young women's christian associations" indeed. [16:14:16] anarchivist | dbs-- [16:14:29] dbs | well deserved, that. [16:14:43] eikeon | edsu: think that's when bdb is syncing data to disk [16:14:47] edsu | mbklein: where you at? [16:15:01] jbrinley | edsu: front right [16:15:05] edsu | eikeon: is it odd that it would take a long time? repeatedly? [16:15:13] ---| <<-- cschx [n=cschx@wsip-70-164-25-14.ri.ri.cox.net] has quit () [16:15:15] lbjay | crap, i have to set up wsgi to run the attendees app now [16:15:37] edsu | lbjay: you can't run it anymore? [16:15:44] eikeon | Yeah. Wouldn't expect it to take long. Unless you have lots and lots of triples [16:15:46] ---| ---> mib_2vdh7nhv [i=46a41923@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-eb31ed260636a402] has joined #code4lib [16:15:56] lbjay | edsu: no, i get AttributeError: 'function' object has no attribute 'run' [16:15:57] mbklein | edsu: To your right. All the way to the wall. [16:16:10] ---| User: *** mib_2vdh7nhv is now known as escowles [16:16:11] akorphan | did inkdroid just die for anyone else? [16:16:23] edsu | lbjay: hmm might be able to change it a bit [16:16:24] anarchivist | meow meow meow meow dbpedia [16:16:48] ---| ---> mib_m39kamom [i=46a4190c@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-34f15b5396100a7d] has joined #code4lib [16:16:52] edsu | ERRATA [16:16:52] ---| ---> Ray_Schwartz [n=chatzill@wsip-70-164-25-116.ri.ri.cox.net] has joined #code4lib [16:17:26] ---| ---> mib_zwshdfxl [i=46a4190c@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-522fb0398dbcfcf7] has joined #code4lib [16:17:49] anarchivist | akorphan: nope [16:17:51] dchud | is there a list of rdflib's supported store backends somewhere? [16:17:52] mib_m39kamom | can't seem to get on IRC proper... using mibbit (web based) as a workaround [16:17:52] mib_m39kamom | can't seem to get on IRC proper... using mibbit (web based) as a workaround [16:17:57] ---| <<-- phase_bb [n=phase_bb@m625e36d0.tmodns.net] has quit (Connection timed out) [16:17:58] ---| User: *** mib_m39kamom is now known as atz [16:18:06] anarchivist | mib_m39kamom: have you tried port 8000? [16:18:38] * dchud heads to source [16:18:58] edsu | lbjay: bzr pull, does it work now? [16:19:15] MrDys | why is roy_thong.jpg on rsinger's quick link bar [16:19:25] * jtgorman_ wonders how he hasn't heard of uclassify or the LibraryThing contest that apparently ended a month ago [16:19:27] wickr | MrDys++ [16:19:31] anarchivist | MrDys++ [16:19:38] anarchivist | rsinger: NEVAR 4GET [16:20:38] wickr | @hosts2010 [16:20:40] zoia | wickr: Asheville, NC [178]; Austin, TX [160]; Madison, WI [140]; Columbus, OH [102]; Bloomington, IN [72] [16:20:43] ---| <<-- fak3r [i=phil@wsip-70-164-25-38.ri.ri.cox.net] has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) [16:21:07] anarchivist | woo asheville [16:21:31] gsf | asheville++ [16:21:33] wickr | they must be holding campaign rallys [16:21:35] lbjay | edsu: it's running but not serving [16:21:39] MrDys | come on austin [16:21:52] ---| <<-- jjtuttle [n=jjtuttle@dli-020102.lib.ncsu.edu] has quit ("Ex-Chat") [16:22:18] ---| <<-- mib_zwshdfxl [i=46a4190c@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-522fb0398dbcfcf7] has quit (Client Quit) [16:22:31] atz | anarchivist: still get errors on 8000 [16:22:31] atz | anarchivist: still get errors on 8000 [16:22:34] atz | "Error Code: 400 Bad Request. The data is invalid" [16:22:34] atz | "Error Code: 400 Bad Request. The data is invalid" [16:22:35] lbjay | edsu: i am wsgignorant [16:22:45] atz | from the proxy, apparently [16:22:45] atz | from the proxy, apparently [16:22:45] anarchivist | atz: hmm weird, which server [16:23:06] anarchivist | atz: i'm using card.freenode.net:8000 [16:23:13] atz | irc.freenode.net [16:23:13] atz | irc.freenode.net [16:23:37] BigD | who is pushing ashville? [16:23:43] JodiS | @hosts2009 [16:23:44] zoia | JodiS: Brown University/Providence, Rhode Island [269]; Columbus, OH [225]; Southeast Florida [176]; Bahía Blanca, Argentina [105] [16:23:49] JodiS | @hosts2010 [16:23:49] ---| ---> fak3r [i=phil@wsip-70-164-25-38.ri.ri.cox.net] has joined #code4lib [16:23:50] zoia | JodiS: Asheville, NC [178]; Austin, TX [160]; Madison, WI [140]; Columbus, OH [102]; Bloomington, IN [72] [16:23:53] anarchivist | BigD: @hosts2011 [16:23:54] dchud | i can't get the crawl to run because i don't have a working backing store available [16:24:01] anarchivist | @hosts2011 [16:24:02] jbrinley | iand: can you give us a hand? [16:24:02] zoia | anarchivist: Disco, Tennessee [72]; Aces of Diamonds, Florida [72]; Chicken, Alaska [60]; Hicksville, Ohio [53]; Plain City, Utah [50]; Buddha, Indiana [40]; Monkey's Elbow, Kentucky [14] [16:24:08] jbrinley | iand: front right? [16:24:11] anarchivist | @hosts2011 [16:24:12] zoia | anarchivist: Magazine, Arkansas [100]; Muck City, Alabama [77]; Fifty-Six, Arkansas [3] [16:24:27] akorphan | @hosts2134 [16:24:28] zoia | akorphan: i think there is an xslt for that [16:24:57] rsinger | er, ok -- now what? [16:25:09] fak3r | rsinger: cricket sounds? [16:25:16] rsinger | i heard em [16:25:20] BigD | is this study hall now? [16:25:20] iand | jbrinley: yep? shall I come over? [16:25:21] jtgorman_ | just skimming the scrollback but folks having issues with irc.freenode.net might want to try chat.freenode.net [16:25:33] anarchivist | rsinger: http://www.freesound.org/samplesViewSingle.php?id=420 [16:25:43] jbrinley | iand: yes, please [16:25:53] jbrinley | iand: rdf/xml problem [16:26:27] atz | arachivist: same problem @card [16:26:28] atz | arachivist: same problem @card [16:26:30] jtgorman_ | I use that and get redirected to kubrick.freenode.net (64.161.254.20) [16:26:34] anarchivist | atz: weird [16:26:44] MrDys | @band [16:26:44] zoia | MrDys: Pragmatica [16:26:49] jtgorman_ | of course, I'm also not actually at the conference ;) [16:26:54] lbjay | edsu: n.m. it's the big-port-blocking network. [16:26:58] wickr | heh, BigD is appearing twice on http://inkdroid.org/c4l2009/attendees [16:27:02] ---| ---> flyingzumwalt [i=46a4190c@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-93cb0548baff6c30] has joined #code4lib [16:27:23] lbjay | "How big is BigD?..." [16:27:30] BigD | i get 2 books! [16:27:53] ---| <<-- dchud [n=dchud@wsip-70-164-25-46.ri.ri.cox.net] has quit () [16:27:53] ---| ---> mpark [n=mpark@138.16.58.239] has joined #code4lib [16:27:55] BigD | i'm so big, i get nines instead of triples [16:28:03] anarchivist | BigD++ [16:28:58] BigD | someone used www.declan.net/foaf.rdf#dfl and others used declan.net/foaf.rdf#dfl [16:29:05] BigD | and my apache's mapping it [16:29:35] jtgorman_ | hah! [16:29:54] rsinger | huh, so now he get tens? [16:30:11] fak3r | ballot stuffing suspected [16:30:51] wickr | BigD: heh, I used the www version [16:31:19] shoe | is anybody using online presentation softwares for conference slides, like google docs? [16:31:45] BigD | hipsters don't use www [16:31:50] BigD | so... [16:31:53] BigD | where's dinner? [16:32:04] akorphan | Mi Guatemala [16:32:05] BigD | i've got a hankerin for the trinity brewhouse [16:32:07] ---| <<-- andyashton [n=chatzill@128.148.178.88] has quit (Remote closed the connection) [16:32:10] akorphan | out on Allens Avenue. [16:32:18] BigD | akorphan: mexican food? [16:32:29] akorphan | err, Atwells [16:32:34] wickr | BigD: I want to say that that was copied from what you pasted in here [16:32:34] atz | BigD: word [16:32:34] atz | BigD: word [16:32:43] akorphan | BigD: Uhh...Guatemalan. [16:32:47] fak3r | I'm glad firefox keeps crashing on me [16:33:27] cazzerson | trinity is pretty good [16:33:40] ---| <<-- wtd [n=chatzill@wsip-70-164-25-126.ri.ri.cox.net] has quit ("ChatZilla 0.9.84 [Firefox 3.0.6/2009020911]") [16:34:03] BigD | meeting in the lobby at 5:30 to head over to Trinity Brewhouse [16:34:04] akorphan | cazzerson: If you want pubbish food, and you're a smidge richer than Trinity, I'd recommend Red Stripe. [16:34:11] ---| <<-- escowles [i=46a41923@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-eb31ed260636a402] has quit ("http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client") [16:34:17] BigD | i'd like a local good beer [16:34:19] * jtgorman_ pictures a light lager called "son", a dark heavy smoky brew called "father" and a barleywine called "spirit" [16:34:23] robcaSSon | BigD++ [16:34:46] dbs | jtgorman++ [16:36:03] rsinger | akorphan: well, i guess not tonight, but i'd be all about the guatemalan place at some point [16:36:21] BigD | akorphan: i'd like to try that guat place too [16:36:38] BigD | but i've got logistical issues tonight [16:36:41] rsinger | the second best part of going to guatemala was the food [16:36:44] ---| <<-- cazzerson [n=jmcasden@wsip-70-164-25-24.ri.ri.cox.net] has quit () [16:36:54] atz | jtgorman: or a phat boy, an O.E. and a Mickey's? That's more 3 aspects of the same thing.... [16:36:55] atz | jtgorman: or a phat boy, an O.E. and a Mickey's? That's more 3 aspects of the same thing.... [16:37:26] fak3r | atz: one more for a tripple.... [16:37:42] ---| <<-- scolford [n=scolford@138.16.58.238] has quit () [16:38:12] ---| <<-- akorphan [i=46a4190c@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-bc80b9d910ef9e83] has quit ("http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client") [16:38:23] ---| <<-- mpark [n=mpark@138.16.58.239] has quit ("ChatZilla 0.9.84 [Firefox 3.0.6/2009011913]") [16:38:35] ---| <<-- robcaSSon [i=46a4190c@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-d1bf74bbf4a6dd78] has quit ("http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client") [16:38:41] flyingzumwalt | I'm about to tinker with JRuby and Jena. Real RDF for Ruby FTW. Anyone want to join in? [16:38:53] BigD | rsinger: what was the first? [16:39:10] BLTnoTomato | has anyone seen The IT Crowd? [16:39:19] * jtgorman_ supposes one could go the other way and have a beer named after each Ivy League school... [16:39:22] BigD | BLTnoTomato: are you from the past? [16:39:46] BLTnoTomato | bigd, i dont think so, why [16:39:49] ---| ---> jstroop [n=jstroop@wsip-70-164-25-23.ri.ri.cox.net] has joined #code4lib [16:40:19] BigD | BLTnoTomato: that's one of IT Crowd's catch phrases... [16:40:21] ---| <<-- Ray_Schwartz [n=chatzill@wsip-70-164-25-116.ri.ri.cox.net] has quit ("ChatZilla 0.9.84 [Firefox 3.0.6/2009011913]") [16:40:37] BLTnoTomato | oh, i just started watching it last week [16:40:42] BLTnoTomato | have not seen them all [16:40:48] BigD | http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/The_IT_Crowd [16:41:23] BLTnoTomato | "...Yeah, you do know how a button works, don't you? No, not on clothes." [16:41:59] ---| ---> JJJ_ [n=JJJ@wsip-24-249-210-4.ri.ri.cox.net] has joined #code4lib [16:42:04] ---| <<-- anarchivist [n=anarchiv@unaffiliated/anarchivist] has quit () [16:42:29] jtgorman_ | BigD: why, why yes I am actually. I was actually brought into this time when my attempts at quantum manipulations went awry in ancient Atlantis. I was flung to the future and attempting to fit in with this far more future, yet more primitive, time [16:42:35] jtgorman_ | BigD: oh, you weren't talking to me [16:43:54] BLTnoTomato | anyone running libguides? [16:44:23] ---| ---> anarchivist [n=anarchiv@wsip-70-164-25-92.ri.ri.cox.net] has joined #code4lib [16:45:31] wickr | BLTnoTomato: yeah I think Johns Hopkins just launched with it, ask MrDys [16:45:36] ---| <<-- dlovins [n=chatzill@wsip-70-164-25-39.ri.ri.cox.net] has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) [16:45:57] BLTnoTomato | orly... hmmm [16:46:01] ---| ---> dlovins [n=chatzill@wsip-70-164-25-39.ri.ri.cox.net] has joined #code4lib [16:47:43] ---| <<-- anarchivist [n=anarchiv@unaffiliated/anarchivist] has quit (Client Quit) [16:47:50] zoia | New news from planetcode4lib: del.icio.us: About | Science Collaboration Framework [16:47:56] BigD | jtgorman_: heh ;) [16:48:26] ---| ---> dchud [n=dchud@wsip-70-164-25-46.ri.ri.cox.net] has joined #code4lib [16:50:20] BLTnoTomato | i guess I'm confused- why libguides when there is drupal? [16:51:14] BigD | anyone in a session at Brown with Brad Westbrook? 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[17:03:51] atz | nice [17:03:53] kgs | @known kgs [17:03:54] zoia | kgs: An error has occurred and has been logged. Please contact this bot's administrator for more information. [17:03:54] ---| <<-- abarrera [n=abarrera@wsip-70-164-25-91.ri.ri.cox.net] has quit (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) [17:04:09] kgs | hrrrmmmm [17:04:15] mbklein | kgs: Don't hammer the pre-alpha. :) [17:04:20] ---| ---> dlovins_ [n=chatzill@wsip-70-164-25-124.ri.ri.cox.net] has joined #code4lib [17:04:30] kgs | ;-) [17:04:51] mbklein | @reload FOAF [17:04:55] zoia | mbklein: The operation succeeded. [17:04:58] mbklein | @known kgs [17:04:59] zoia | mbklein: I don't know kgs's URI [17:05:07] kgs | huh! [17:05:08] ---| User: *** ksclarke is now known as Guest2199 [17:05:14] mbklein | kgs: We'll get there. [17:05:14] gsf | @known gsf [17:05:15] zoia | gsf: gsf's URI is [17:05:27] kgs | where does it get the info? maybe i have it wrong [17:05:32] mbklein | She only knows gsf right now. We haven't implemented @know yet. [17:05:36] jbrinley_ | kgs: zoia has her own foaf [17:05:40] kgs | hah [17:05:44] jbrinley_ | http://rc98.net/zoia.rdf [17:05:46] gsf | kgs: http://rc98.net/zoia#me [17:05:48] jtgorman_ | @bartender kgs [17:05:50] * zoia fills a pint glass with Pilsner Urqeull, and sends it sliding down the bar to kgs (http://beeradvocate.com/beer/profile/1/429/) [17:06:03] ---| <<-- cliff__ [n=cliff@wsip-70-164-25-118.ri.ri.cox.net] has quit () [17:06:04] jtgorman_ | kgs: relax, have a commercial brew [17:06:13] ---| <<-- atz [n=atz@wsip-70-164-25-80.ri.ri.cox.net] has quit ("Viva la Koha") [17:06:14] kgs | jtgorman++ [17:06:28] pmurray | http://foaf-visualizer.org/?uri=http://rc98.net/zoia.rdf [17:06:33] ---| ---> atz [n=atz@wsip-70-164-25-80.ri.ri.cox.net] has joined #code4lib [17:06:46] jtgorman_ | atz: so how did you beat the network? [17:06:51] ---| ---> kgs_ [n=chatzill@wsip-70-164-25-117.ri.ri.cox.net] has joined #code4lib [17:07:01] kgs | ah ok... now chatzilla works [17:07:05] atz | jtgorman_: um... i went away and talked to Jay for 15 minutes [17:07:06] ---| <<-- kgs [i=46a41975@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-c9cd450643cd0656] has quit ("http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client") [17:07:07] ---| User: *** kgs_ is now known as kgs [17:07:19] atz | i think the security came down (perhaps at 5PM?) [17:07:27] ---| User: *** pmurray is now known as pmurray_away [17:07:45] atz | when i came back colloquy was on 5 channels.. [17:07:46] ---| <<-- dlovins_ [n=chatzill@wsip-70-164-25-124.ri.ri.cox.net] has quit (Remote closed the connection) [17:08:30] ---| <<-- fak3r_ [i=phil@wsip-70-164-25-110.ri.ri.cox.net] has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) [17:09:16] ejk | Made it to my room: anybody planning to hit a brewery tonight? 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[17:13:07] ---| <<-- tomkeays [n=chatzill@wsip-70-164-25-49.ri.ri.cox.net] has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) [17:13:12] ---| <<-- davidWalker [n=chatzill@cpe-76-176-126-94.san.res.rr.com] has quit ("ChatZilla 0.9.84 [Firefox 3.0.6/2009011913]") [17:13:30] ejk | anarchivist: looks great. Are people meeting in the lobby? [17:13:40] anarchivist | ejk: yes, i believe thats the plan [17:13:47] ---| <<-- BigD [n=dfleming@wsip-70-164-25-52.ri.ri.cox.net] has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) [17:15:12] ejk | Cool, I'll try heading down around 5:25 and assaulting random people until I find the right group [17:17:06] ---| <<-- jbrinley [i=jbrinley@wsip-70-164-25-41.ri.ri.cox.net] has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) [17:17:16] ---| ---> scolford [n=scolford@wsip-70-164-25-80.ri.ri.cox.net] has joined #code4lib [17:17:17] ---| <<-- dbs [n=dan@pdpc/supporter/active/dbs] has quit ("Ex-Chat") [17:18:35] ---| <<-- rsinger [n=rsinger@wsip-70-164-25-27.ri.ri.cox.net] has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) [17:18:37] zoia | New news from planetcode4lib: Engard, Nicole: NFAIS 2009: Miles Conrad Lecture [17:19:12] ---| ---> DHahn [i=DHahn@wsip-70-164-25-86.ri.ri.cox.net] has joined #code4lib [17:20:32] ---| <<-- JodiS_ [n=JodiS@wsip-70-164-25-89.ri.ri.cox.net] has quit () [17:22:04] ---| <<-- Janusman [n=chatzill@200.23.146.254] has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) [17:23:37] * jtgorman_ heads home to walk the dog, cobble together dinner, make some travel plans, and hopefully relax a little bit [17:23:40] ---| <--- jtgorman_ [n=chatzill@libstfsys11.library.uiuc.edu] has left #code4lib () [17:23:51] lbjay | some folks are waiting until 6:30 to head to the pub too [17:23:53] ---| User: *** anarchivist is now known as anarchivist_room [17:24:09] lbjay | so if you miss the 1st wave, meet in the lobby at 6:30 again [17:24:16] ---| ---> freemoth [n=freemoth@rdsl-0813.tor.pathcom.com] has joined #code4lib [17:24:36] ---| <<-- eby_ [n=ebyr@adsl-99-178-199-246.dsl.sfldmi.sbcglobal.net] has quit ("Leaving...") 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[18:05:17] anarchivist | at trinity brewhouse [18:08:06] edsu | jbrinley++ [18:08:06] kgs | redrum is very good. they're all very good though [18:08:31] edsu | kgs: load + tag i think yeah [18:08:44] kgs | edsu thanx [18:09:19] ---| <<-- erikhatcher [n=erik@wsip-70-164-25-61.ri.ri.cox.net] has quit () [18:13:11] ---| ---> mbklein [n=mbklein@wsip-70-164-25-43.ri.ri.cox.net] has joined #code4lib [18:13:36] * kgs trinity made me want to brew an oatmeal stout [18:13:44] ---| <<-- abarrera_ [n=abarrera@vpn2-client-a20.Princeton.EDU] has quit () [18:14:11] mbklein | kgs: You can ask zoia to know you know with @know [your-uri] [18:14:20] edsu | kgs: you went there last night? [18:14:22] mbklein | s/know you know/know you now/ [18:14:35] kgs | yes, three of us did a trinity "preconference" ;) [18:14:49] edsu | :-) [18:15:40] scolford | @know http://justgiblets.com/scolford/foaf.rdf#me [18:15:41] zoia | scolford: Your URI is now [18:15:52] scolford | heehee [18:16:22] kgs | @know http://freerangelibrarian.com/foaf.rdf#kgs [18:16:23] zoia | kgs: Your URI is now [18:16:30] kgs | @known kgs [18:16:31] zoia | kgs: kgs's URI is [18:19:15] ---| <<-- jbrinley [i=jbrinley@wsip-70-164-25-111.ri.ri.cox.net] has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) [18:19:21] mjg_1 | edsu: working on the slides, I see? [18:19:26] ---| User: *** mjg_1 is now known as mjg_ [18:19:39] * mjg_ was just working on demo notes [18:20:59] kgs | vufind preconf pix: http://flickr.com/photos/evergreen-ils/sets/72157614355981622/ [18:22:40] mjg_ | @know http://lackoftalent.org/michael/id/ [18:22:42] zoia | mjg_: Your URI is now [18:23:05] * mjg_ stumbles off to find food. 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[19:48:44] zoia | New news from planetcode4lib: Engard, Nicole: ‡biblios.net Video Tutorials || Eaton, Alf: CloudMade [19:57:27] ---| <<-- ksclarke [n=ksclarke@wsip-70-164-25-98.ri.ri.cox.net] has quit (Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)) [19:57:27] ---| ---> ksclarke1 [n=ksclarke@wsip-70-164-25-98.ri.ri.cox.net] has joined #code4lib [19:57:45] ---| User: *** ksclarke1 is now known as ksclarke_ [19:59:50] ---| <<-- tvol [n=chatzill@38.219.132.100] has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) [20:01:43] ---| ---> eby_ [n=ebyr@c-71-206-107-74.hsd1.mi.comcast.net] has joined #code4lib [20:09:55] ---| <<-- erikhatcher [n=erik@wsip-70-164-25-61.ri.ri.cox.net] has quit () [20:15:05] ---| <<-- JodiS [n=JodiS@wsip-70-164-25-56.ri.ri.cox.net] has quit () [20:19:00] ---| ---> BillDueber [n=dueberb@wsip-70-164-25-31.ri.ri.cox.net] has joined #code4lib [20:19:07] zoia | New news from planetcode4lib: del.icio.us: code4lib | coders for libraries, libraries for coders || del.icio.us: code4lib 2009 talk on caching and proxying linked data [20:20:51] ---| <<-- BillDueber [n=dueberb@wsip-70-164-25-31.ri.ri.cox.net] has quit (Client Quit) [20:21:26] ---| ---> sara_bee [n=miker@c-76-97-57-109.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has joined #code4lib [20:22:41] ---| ---> JodiS [n=JodiS@wsip-70-164-25-56.ri.ri.cox.net] has joined #code4lib [20:23:48] JodiS | @know http://jodischneider.com#me [20:23:49] zoia | JodiS: Your URI is now [20:25:07] ---| ---> Baroquem [n=matt@wsip-70-164-25-90.ri.ri.cox.net] has joined #code4lib [20:25:57] jbrinley | @know http://jbrinley.xplus3.net/id/ [20:25:58] zoia | jbrinley: jbrinley's URI is now [20:26:10] jbrinley | @forget jbrinley [20:26:11] zoia | jbrinley: I've forgotten who jbrinley is [20:26:16] jbrinley | @known jbrinley [20:26:16] zoia | jbrinley: I don't know jbrinley's URI [20:26:20] jbrinley | @know http://jbrinley.xplus3.net/id/ [20:26:21] zoia | jbrinley: jbrinley's URI is now [20:26:25] jbrinley | @known jbrinley [20:26:26] zoia | jbrinley: jbrinley's URI is [20:26:38] jbrinley | @know http://jbrinley.xplus3.net/id/test [20:26:39] zoia | jbrinley: jbrinley's URI is now [20:26:44] jbrinley | @known jbrinley [20:26:44] zoia | jbrinley: jbrinley's URI is [20:26:50] jbrinley | @know http://jbrinley.xplus3.net/id/ [20:26:50] zoia | jbrinley: jbrinley's URI is now [20:27:22] jbrinley | more to come tomorrow... [20:27:55] jbrinley | @known zoia [20:27:56] zoia | jbrinley: I don't know zoia's URI [20:28:31] jbrinley | @know zoia http://www.code4lib.org/id/zoia [20:28:32] zoia | jbrinley: zoia's URI is now [20:28:38] jbrinley | @know zoia [20:28:38] zoia | jbrinley: jbrinley's URI is now [20:28:50] jbrinley | whoops [20:29:00] jbrinley | @know http://jbrinley.xplus3.net/id/ [20:29:00] zoia | jbrinley: jbrinley's URI is now [20:29:05] jbrinley | @known zoia [20:29:06] zoia | jbrinley: zoia's URI is [20:29:55] ---| ---> chickmarkley [n=chickmar@wsip-70-164-25-21.ri.ri.cox.net] has joined #code4lib [20:30:40] chickmarkley | @ana Great Darwin, I'm here [20:30:42] zoia | chickmarkley: A weirder nightmare [20:31:24] jbrinley | wickr: can you make http://www.code4lib.org/id/zoia redirect (303) to http://rc98.net/zoia.rdf [20:32:32] jbrinley | @later tell wickr can you make http://www.code4lib.org/id/zoia redirect (303) to http://rc98.net/zoia.rdf [20:32:33] zoia | jbrinley: The operation succeeded. [20:34:20] royt | anarchivist: ping [20:39:38] ---| ---> fak3r [i=phil@wsip-70-164-25-110.ri.ri.cox.net] has joined #code4lib [20:41:59] ---| ---> jaf [n=jaf@202-169-165-161.aspublic.wlan.sinica.edu.tw] has joined #code4lib [20:42:17] ---| ---> jtgorman [n=jon@c-98-220-253-23.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #code4lib [20:42:27] jaf | hey all you code4lib'ers, wish I was there! [20:42:43] jtgorman | ditto ;) [20:43:02] jtgorman | odd fact, the wife bookmarked several possible hotels for a trip....all the links now return an error [20:43:26] * jtgorman would have a unique link for each hotel in the chain... [20:49:18] zoia | New news from planetcode4lib: Lederman, Sol (Federated Search Blog): Alex Wright on the deep web in the New York Times || del.icio.us: supybot-plugins - Revision 673: / [20:52:28] wickr | jaf: hey, what are you doing in taiwan? [20:53:08] jaf | wickr: attending this - http://grl2020.net [20:53:17] wickr | jbrinley: yeah I think I can do that [20:53:29] jbrinley | wickr++ [20:53:52] wickr | jaf: wow, cool [20:54:18] jaf | wickr: yeah, but I'm really sad not to be at c4l [20:54:21] wickr | jbrinley: are you still working on stuff? [20:54:37] jbrinley | wickr: not at the moment, but a few more functions to add tomorrow [20:54:47] jbrinley | @known jbrinley [20:54:48] zoia | jbrinley: jbrinley's URI is [20:54:59] wickr | ok, just curious [20:55:12] jbrinley | @know jbrinley http://jbrinley.xplus3.net/id/ [20:55:14] zoia | jbrinley: jbrinley's URI is now [20:55:26] jbrinley | @list foaf [20:55:26] zoia | jbrinley: forget, know, known, knows, and reloadfoaf [20:55:35] jbrinley | don't reloadfoaf [20:55:36] ---| ---> cazzerson [n=jmcasden@wsip-70-164-25-48.ri.ri.cox.net] has joined #code4lib [20:57:06] jbrinley | reload FOAF [20:57:11] jbrinley | @reload FOAF [20:57:11] zoia | jbrinley: The operation succeeded. [20:57:18] jbrinley | @list foaf [20:57:19] zoia | jbrinley: forget, know, known, and knows [20:59:03] ---| ---> mbklein [n=mbklein@wsip-70-164-25-43.ri.ri.cox.net] has joined #code4lib [21:06:31] ---| ---> dbs [n=dan@pdpc/supporter/active/dbs] has joined #code4lib [21:14:56] jtgorman | wow, I can't believe how shitty the hotel chains websites are...no wonder people use things like hotels.com [21:15:12] jtgorman | here's a hit...fi you have a autocomplete, don't have return submit the form [21:16:59] jtgorman | I'm almost tempted to go with comfort inn because a) I can bookmark the particular hotel that I'm going to be staying at and b) it hasn' tgiven me a "you've timed out" error [21:21:35] jtgorman | and if you're running a cute little bed and breakfast...don't make me call you just for freaken directions! [21:24:45] * jtgorman goes to check on the dog [21:30:05] ---| <<-- michaeldb [n=michaeld@CPE0012170da427-CM000a739b087e.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has quit () [21:32:49] ---| <<-- DHahn [i=DHahn@wsip-70-164-25-86.ri.ri.cox.net] has quit () [21:41:45] * eby_ presumes the dog is writing an editorial about chateau le gorman's shitty website [21:46:27] ---| ---> BillDueber [n=dueberb@wsip-70-164-25-31.ri.ri.cox.net] has joined #code4lib [21:46:27] jtgorman | eby_: no, she prefers to blog about the low quality of our food and the general cluelessness of the apes who live in her place. And angry rants at the squirrels in the yard. [21:47:32] jtgorman | eby_: and she has...on occasion...taken advantage of the fact when I'm zoning out in front of the computer and Colleen's not home to help herself to food/move things around/etc. [21:47:42] eby_ | pretty sure the cats here have a truce with the squirrels [21:48:25] eby_ | despite the one being smacked a couple times in the face by one [21:48:57] jtgorman | eby_: I'm picturing a squirrel beating the heck out of a surprised cat [21:49:32] jtgorman | V really wants to catch a squirrel or a rabbit. She's caught one mouse and maybe a second in the yard. [21:49:59] jtgorman | she hasn't figured out how she should react to cats yet [21:50:15] wickr | jbrinley: either I'm doing the redirect wrong or drupal is getting in the way [21:50:39] wickr | or possibly both [21:53:12] jbrinley | wickr: you just doing it in an .htaccess in drupal's root? [21:54:08] wickr | jbrinley: no, the httpd.conf [21:54:50] * jtgorman sighs [21:54:58] jbrinley | wickr: what are you putting there? [21:55:13] jtgorman | so...as much as I hate to say it, I think a "great article" on my article for code4lib journal is most likely spam [21:55:24] jtgorman | there's one link and it leads to a seo website [21:55:26] jbrinley | jtgorman: yeah, looks that way [21:55:28] jbrinley | sorry [21:55:49] jbrinley | jtgorman: I can take the link out but leave the sentiment, if you'd like :) [21:55:56] fak3r | jbrinley: in httpd.conf do you have AllowOverride All for your docroot with Drupal in it? [21:56:11] jbrinley | ^ wickr [21:56:21] jtgorman | jbrinley: nah, just take it out [21:56:28] fak3r | jbrinley: that way it will honor whatever .htacess says (not recommended for production) [21:56:41] wickr | fak3r: not using .htaccess here [21:56:59] jtgorman | jbrinley: I'd rather have my article judged on its merits, if anyone manages to find one ;) [21:57:23] jbrinley | wickr: RewriteRule ^id/zoia$ http://rc98.net/zoia.rdf [R=303] [21:57:25] jtgorman | I just wonder why that seo thought being linked from my article would bump them up... [21:57:38] jbrinley | wickr: within a [21:57:47] wickr | jtgorman: ok I'll try that [21:58:02] mbklein | jbrinley: Are you working on the plugin? I just made a whole bunch o' edits (refactoring, knows support, etc) [21:58:05] wickr | fwiw, right now I have Redirect 303 /id/zoia/ http://rc98.net/zoia.rdf [21:58:11] jbrinley | mbklein: I did a bit earlier [21:58:22] mbklein | OK, I'll try to diff. [21:58:22] jbrinley | mbklein: nothing since about 8:15 [21:58:31] jbrinley | mbklein: added forget [21:58:52] mbklein | jbrinley: Weird. I added forget also, and had checked it in. Was there a merge involved? [21:59:10] jtgorman | I wonder if I could find a comment area of that seo website and say "You stink as far as SEO goes. I mean, you commented on a nobody's article that's has far fewer hits than most other articles on that online journal. Signed nobody" with a link back to my article... [21:59:23] jbrinley | mbklein: I updated before committing, but it didn't tell me about anything [21:59:28] mbklein | OK [22:00:20] wickr | jbrinley: still page not found: http://code4lib.org/id/zoia [22:00:53] mbklein | jbrinley: I apologize in advance if I step on your edit. There's a whole load of diffs, and I'm trying to deal with the conflicts. [22:00:57] jbrinley | wickr: did you restart apache? [22:01:03] wickr | jbrinley: yup [22:01:05] jbrinley | mbklein: no worries [22:01:40] jbrinley | wickr: Add a RewriteEngine On? [22:02:00] dbs | jtgorman: I'm sure I hold the title of article with fewest hits [22:02:37] ---| ---> scolford [n=scolford@wsip-70-164-25-80.ri.ri.cox.net] has joined #code4lib [22:02:53] dbs | hey scolford! enjoying the conf I hoe [22:02:59] ---| <<-- eby_ [n=ebyr@c-71-206-107-74.hsd1.mi.comcast.net] has quit () [22:02:59] dbs | err, hope :) [22:03:08] scolford | haha, who you calling a hoe? [22:03:11] scolford | and yes, very much! [22:03:30] wickr | jbrinley: added that, still no [22:03:31] scolford | had a lovely dinner with lovely people tonight [22:03:32] royt | sigh, my FOAF is still getting left off the crawl, wish I knew why [22:03:48] jtgorman | dbs: you finally wrote an article! [22:03:51] jtgorman | dbs: ;) [22:04:02] jtgorman | seriously though, I'm about four issues behind [22:04:06] jtgorman | :( [22:04:19] dbs | jtgorman: uhh, issue #2 dude. OpenSRF? I suck. [22:04:24] kgs | royt what's your foaf file? [22:04:37] royt | kgs: do you mean where? [22:04:44] jtgorman | dbs: heh, now I remember [22:04:47] kgs | yes [22:04:47] dbs | OpenSRF would actually get hits. Linux on lookup laptops? Not so much. [22:04:49] jtgorman | dbs: ; [22:05:04] dbs | scolford: I am insanely jealous. [22:05:11] jtgorman | dbs: so yeah, you did get more hits than me... [22:05:12] scolford | You are missed! [22:05:16] royt | kgs: http://roytennant.com/foaf.rdf#me and it appears and disappears from the list of c4l attendees with fair regularity [22:05:29] jbrinley | wickr: maybe another option, make a page with PHP code using header() to point to the foaf, and give that page a URL alias of id/zoia [22:05:31] royt | and I'm clueless as to why [22:05:35] kgs | yeah I've seen it there [22:05:54] royt | kgs: but i bet not every time :-) [22:06:00] dbs | jtgorman: that must be my hit-inflation bot [22:06:19] jtgorman | dbs: I was thinking that you finally had done something with that one system? [22:06:26] ---| User: *** jphipps|away is now known as jphipps [22:06:37] jtgorman | dbs: sofa-database? Loveseat -ottoman bs? [22:06:40] wickr | jbrinley: ok, I was seeing that in some Google results, not sure that'd work on v.4 though [22:06:41] jtgorman | dbs: something like that [22:07:09] * jtgorman wonders how many people are in their hotel rooms geeking out right now as opposed to discovering the nightlife of Providence [22:07:15] dbs | jtgorman: Oh! http://bar.ca/lounger [22:07:33] jtgorman | of course, that nightlife probably consists of freezing cold [22:07:35] jtgorman | dbs++ [22:07:39] jbrinley | wickr: header("HTTP/1.1 303 See Other");header('Location: http://rc98.net/zoia.rdf'); [22:07:45] kgs | royt it chokes in the validator [22:07:52] royt | wah? [22:07:58] mbklein | jbrinley: plugin temporarily borked. please hold. :) [22:08:05] kgs | maybe you need to apply Reddi Whip (available on the room service menu) [22:08:06] * jbrinley holds [22:08:07] royt | i could have sworn it validated....goes and check [22:08:32] kgs | or an Intimacy Kit [22:08:50] royt | i clearly need more than whipped cream [22:08:53] jbrinley | wickr: or, I guess, header('Location: http://rc98.net/zoia.rdf', true, 303); [22:09:00] wickr | jbrinley: ok, one sec [22:09:59] wickr | heh, that might go out to the rss feed, oops [22:10:38] wickr | duh, need php tags [22:11:22] wickr | jbrinley: it works [22:11:27] jbrinley | wickr++ [22:11:41] jbrinley | wickr: and it's not in the rss feed [22:11:56] wickr | jbrinley++ [22:12:23] jbrinley | if anyone would like to foaf:know zoia: http://www.code4lib.org/id/zoia [22:12:53] jbrinley | she may have some bugs in her graph [22:12:57] jbrinley | those would be my fault [22:13:23] * jtgorman tries again to remember how google map placemarkers work [22:13:38] ---| <<-- rjw [n=rjw@wsip-70-164-25-108.ri.ri.cox.net] has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) [22:13:43] jeff | jtgorman: in what sense? using the api? [22:13:51] ---| ---> rjw [n=rjw@wsip-70-164-25-108.ri.ri.cox.net] has joined #code4lib [22:13:56] royt | I have no clue what is wrong, the validator is no help whatsoever [22:14:07] royt | "The prefix "rdf" for element "rdf:RDF" is not bound" [22:14:12] royt | what?!? [22:14:22] ---| ---> mjg_ [n=mjgiarlo@wsip-70-164-25-16.ri.ri.cox.net] has joined #code4lib [22:16:29] fak3r | kgs: again with the Reddi Whip, just order it an report back! [22:16:48] mjg_ | I am at long last no longer hungover from last night. [22:16:54] mjg_ | DRINKS ANYONE? [22:16:57] fak3r | wow, at home I never have prime time TV on, now I'm thankful for that fact. [22:17:06] eikeon | Reddi Whip? [22:17:10] kgs | I am mesmerized by TV tonight [22:17:12] ---| <<-- jphipps [n=jphipps@wsip-70-164-25-126.ri.ri.cox.net] has quit () [22:17:15] fak3r | mjg_: what happened, did you sleep it off? [22:17:19] mjg_ | I have MSNBC on. [22:17:41] kgs | yeah if you are here at c4l check the small room service menu (thanks to the folks who pointed that out :) ) [22:17:41] fak3r | mjg_: as do I, usually. for Olber at 9pm cst [22:17:47] mjg_ | fak3r: yeah, rested most of the afternoon and took nsaids. then had a couple drinks. :) [22:18:22] fak3r | mjg_: sounds good, we took a large crew down to trinity brew - good food, good beer, s-l-o-w service [22:18:29] zoia | New news from planetcode4lib: Reese, Terry: Finally in Providence [22:18:40] wickr | royt: I don't currently see an error in your FOAF file in the validator [22:18:46] kgs | Trinity was nice last night [22:18:59] royt | wickr: then I don't see why i'm not getting crawled [22:19:02] kgs | wickr huh... I ran itthrough and it stopped (twice) [22:19:23] ksclarke_ | wickr thanks for doing all the data pulling for me... sorry to be a pain [22:19:37] wickr | ksclarke_: it's cool, I understand [22:20:43] kgs | I think if I'm strategic I don't need to go outside til late Thursday morning [22:20:52] mjg_ | kgs++ [22:21:01] wickr | royt: yeah, I remember seeing you on there several times [22:21:06] scolford | I still want to know what they bring if you order an intimacy kit for one. [22:21:19] royt | wickr: right, but then I inexplicably fall off again [22:21:20] mjg_ | a laptop? [22:21:48] scolford | mjg++ [22:21:49] wickr | royt: I also don't think the crawler has been running for several hours now [22:21:52] mbklein | jbrinley: You need to "forget" and "know" again. Your URI is all wrong. [22:22:05] mbklein | @known jbrinley [22:22:06] zoia | mbklein: jbrinley's URI is [22:22:08] royt | wickr: ok, maybe things are cool and i just need to wait for another crawl [22:22:11] royt | thks [22:22:24] mjg_ | @known mjgiarlo [22:22:25] zoia | mjg_: I don't know mjgiarlo's URI [22:22:25] jbrinley | mbklein: hmm, where'd that come from [22:22:33] mjg_ | @known mjg_ [22:22:33] zoia | mjg_: mjg_'s URI is [22:22:36] jbrinley | @forget [22:22:48] jbrinley | @forget jbrinley [22:22:48] zoia | jbrinley: (forget ) -- Forgets the URI associated with the nick of the calling user. [22:23:01] mbklein | @known jbrinle [22:23:03] zoia | mbklein: I don't know jbrinle's URI [22:23:06] jbrinley | @known jbrinley [22:23:06] mbklein | @known jbrinley [22:23:06] zoia | jbrinley: jbrinley's URI is [22:23:08] zoia | mbklein: jbrinley's URI is [22:23:14] jbrinley | @forget [22:23:16] mbklein | @knows mbklein jbrinley [22:23:17] zoia | mbklein: mbklein and jbrinley do not know each other. [22:23:26] wickr | royt: yeah, either that and it's fine, or there's more than one URI pointing to you (say with the #me and some without) and it's having issues sorting things out, which I think affected several people [22:23:48] mbklein | jbrinley: I accidentally wiped out @forget's feedback in the merge. Fixing now. [22:23:55] jbrinley | mbklein++ [22:24:16] royt | wickr: i tried to check for folks pointing to me w/out the #me, but haven't found anyone with the bad URI since a couple days now [22:24:49] mbklein | @knows mbklein scolford [22:24:51] zoia | mbklein: mbklein knows scolford, but scolford does not know mbklein. [22:25:00] mbklein | @knows mjg_ mbklein [22:25:01] zoia | mbklein: mjg_ and mbklein know each other. [22:25:17] mjg_ | mbklein++ # nifty. [22:25:27] mbklein | @knows mbklein zoia [22:25:29] zoia | mbklein: mbklein does not know zoia, but zoia knows mbklein. [22:25:38] mbklein | :O [22:26:04] mbklein | @knows mbklein foo [22:26:05] zoia | mbklein: I don't know foo's URI [22:26:11] mbklein | Eeeexcellent. [22:26:24] mbklein | @list foaf [22:26:25] zoia | mbklein: forget, know, known, and knows [22:26:30] jbrinley | mbklein++ [22:26:47] jbrinley | mbklein: lightning talk tomorrow or Wednesday? [22:27:18] mjg_ | zoia_lightning_talks++ [22:27:20] wickr | @know http://ryanwick.net/foaf.rdf#me [22:27:20] mbklein | jbrinley: Tomorrow's fine. [22:27:20] zoia | wickr: Your URI is now [22:27:32] mbklein | Hang on...Quick update coming. [22:27:34] wickr | @knows wickr zoia [22:27:37] zoia | wickr: wickr and zoia know each other. [22:27:40] mbklein | @known scolford [22:27:40] zoia | mbklein: scolford's URI is [22:27:44] mjg_ | zoia: how would you begin a lightning talk? [22:27:45] zoia | mjg_: I'm the @decider, and I @decide what's best [22:27:48] jbrinley | mbklein: did you leave in the optional nick arguments (so you can tell zoia about other people)? [22:28:02] jbrinley | @markov [22:28:03] zoia | jbrinley: Hmmm, don't remember the PLU for that... PRICE CHECK ON HORSE PUCKEY! [22:28:06] wickr | @knows wickr jbrinley mbklein [22:28:07] zoia | wickr: (knows ) -- Determines if the two given nicks know each other based on their registered FOAFs. [22:28:14] wickr | ah, only 2 [22:28:44] scolford | @knows scolford zoia [22:28:46] zoia | scolford: scolford does not know zoia, but zoia knows scolford. [22:31:11] mbklein | jbrinley: No, but the refactoring makes it easy to add that in. I didn't want people to be able to screw with each other's info too much. :) [22:31:21] mbklein | @forget [22:31:29] mbklein | oops [22:31:31] mbklein | wait [22:31:34] mbklein | @reload FOAF [22:31:35] zoia | mbklein: The operation succeeded. [22:31:39] mbklein | @known [22:31:39] zoia | mbklein: (known ) -- Returns the URI associated with the given nick. [22:31:42] mbklein | @known mbklein [22:31:44] zoia | mbklein: I don't know mbklein's URI [22:31:51] jbrinley | mbklein: I think it should be possible (much as it is with @herald) [22:32:07] jbrinley | mbklein: so we can make assertions about people that aren't necessarily in here [22:32:08] mbklein | @know http://michael.is.outoffoc.us/michael/foaf.rdf#me [22:32:08] zoia | mbklein: Your URI is now [22:32:25] mbklein | jbrinley: Yeah, I'll do it. Won't take long. [22:32:31] mbklein | @forget [22:32:32] zoia | mbklein: (forget me) -- Forgets the URI associated with the nick of the calling user. [22:32:36] mbklein | @forget me [22:32:37] zoia | mbklein: An error has occurred and has been logged. Please contact this bot's administrator for more information. [22:32:47] mbklein | @known mbklein [22:32:47] zoia | mbklein: mbklein's URI is [22:32:57] royt | i give up, i see no logical reason why i'm not getting crawled [22:33:08] mbklein | OK. Fixing and adding back in ability to F with others' data. :D [22:33:17] jbrinley | royt: time to start looking for illogical reasons [22:33:24] jbrinley | conspiracy_theories++ [22:33:40] royt | jbrinley: yeah, but the lack of evidence is stunning [22:34:01] mjg_ | @known royt [22:34:01] zoia | mjg_: I don't know royt's URI [22:34:04] kgs | it's royt's magnetic field [22:34:14] royt | kgs: i wish ;-) [22:34:23] jbrinley | royt: tell zoia about you, maybe that will help [22:34:33] royt | jbrinley: how? [22:34:38] jbrinley | @help know [22:34:39] zoia | jbrinley: (know ) -- Associates the given URI with the nick of the user making the call. If the nick already has a URI, it will be forgotten. [22:35:25] royt | know http://roytennant.com/foaf.rdf#me [22:35:35] royt | @known royt [22:35:35] scolford | @known kgs [22:35:35] zoia | royt: I don't know royt's URI [22:35:36] zoia | scolford: kgs's URI is [22:35:42] jbrinley | royt: use an @ [22:36:22] royt | @know http://roytennant.com/foaf.rdf#me [22:36:23] zoia | royt: Your URI is now [22:36:23] royt | duh [22:36:32] jbrinley | @known royt [22:36:33] zoia | jbrinley: royt's URI is [22:36:33] royt | @known royt [22:36:34] zoia | royt: royt's URI is [22:36:45] mjg_ | @knows royt mjg_ [22:36:47] zoia | mjg_: royt and mjg_ know each other. [22:36:51] BillDueber | @know http://billdueber [22:36:52] zoia | BillDueber: Your URI is now [22:37:01] royt | but does that have anything to do with the crawl? [22:37:03] jbrinley | @knows royt jbrinley [22:37:05] zoia | jbrinley: royt and jbrinley know each other. [22:37:07] BillDueber | @know http://www.billdueber.com/foaf.rdf [22:37:07] zoia | BillDueber: Your URI is now [22:37:17] scolford | @knows scolford kgs [22:37:18] ksclarke_ | @know http://kevinclarke.info/foaf.rdf#me [22:37:19] zoia | scolford: scolford knows kgs, but kgs does not know scolford. [22:37:20] zoia | ksclarke_: Your URI is now [22:37:30] mjg_ | royt: naw, but it affirms the validity of yer foaf at least. [22:37:39] scolford | @knows scolford zoia [22:37:41] zoia | scolford: scolford does not know zoia, but zoia knows scolford. [22:37:45] royt | ok, so now I know it isn't a validity problem... [22:37:48] jbrinley | royt: presumably, zoia should also be crawled as an attendee, and will link to you (not that it matters, since other people already link to you) [22:37:55] mjg_ | @help know [22:37:55] zoia | mjg_: (know ) -- Associates the given URI with the nick of the user making the call. If the nick already has a URI, it will be forgotten. [22:38:09] royt | jbrinley: but that hasn't seemed to help [22:38:11] fak3r | fyi, the dresser knobs in the hotel rooms open a beer bottle easily [22:38:13] BillDueber | @help knows [22:38:13] zoia | BillDueber: (knows ) -- Determines if the two given nicks know each other based on their registered FOAFs. [22:38:16] mjg_ | mbklein: so @know wants the foaf URI not the person's URI? [22:38:19] royt | i keep appearing and disappearing [22:38:26] mjg_ | fak3r++ [22:38:42] jbrinley | royt: you've checked your quantum state? [22:38:54] scolford | @fak3r: wish i knew that earlier. the cheap bottle opener room service brought didn't work at all. [22:38:55] zoia | scolford: try feathers next time [22:39:02] scolford | oops [22:39:29] royt | jbrinley: yeah, i've just this side of quark, which is where i should be ;-) [22:39:30] mbklein | scolford: treating_irc_like_twitter-- [22:39:37] royt | s/I've/I'm/ [22:39:40] mbklein | @reload FOAF [22:39:41] zoia | mbklein: The operation succeeded. [22:39:43] scolford | mbklein: so right [22:39:49] mbklein | @known jbrinley [22:39:49] zoia | mbklein: jbrinley's URI is [22:39:53] ---| <<-- JodiS [n=JodiS@wsip-70-164-25-56.ri.ri.cox.net] has quit () [22:39:54] mbklein | @forget jbrinley [22:39:54] zoia | mbklein: An error has occurred and has been logged. Please contact this bot's administrator for more information. [22:39:59] mbklein | @known jbrinley [22:40:01] zoia | mbklein: jbrinley's URI is [22:40:06] * jbrinley is unforgettable [22:40:13] fak3r | scolford: and the counter in the bath worked, but took a little chip off the edge...still feel a bit bad about that. [22:40:51] fak3r | I'll likely charge it to the Underhills [22:41:04] scolford | fak3r: destroying_hotel_property-- [22:41:23] kgs | The Cheshire royt [22:41:40] royt | kgs: right, except no smile left ;-) [22:42:06] jaf | @quote random [22:42:08] zoia | jaf: Quote #1147: "< royt> rugged machismo ? how about butt ugly ?" (added by anarchivist at 05:12 PM, January 29, 2008) [22:42:28] kgs | needs to be updated lyrics to Eleanor Rigby re uncrawled foaf [22:43:51] ksclarke_ | @ana cheshire royt [22:43:52] zoia | ksclarke_: Hysteric hero [22:43:58] * ksclarke_ chuksle [22:44:17] fak3r | scolford: I look at it exploration damage, as in, it's not destroyed, just...personalized [22:44:38] scolford | fak3r: improved, i'm sure [22:44:49] ksclarke_ | @ana cheshire ksclarke [22:44:51] zoia | ksclarke_: Shark-like screech [22:44:56] fak3r | scolford: perhaps a bit, yes [22:44:57] ksclarke_ | again, heh [22:45:40] scolford | leaving_your_mark++ [22:45:54] * ksclarke_ thinks it's about time to download djatoka and give it a try [22:46:19] fak3r | scolford: mark++ is an good description [22:47:32] dbs | ksclarke++ [22:47:39] zoia | New news from planetcode4lib: Murray, Peter: What Does the Google Book Settlement Mean for the Online Book Market? [22:48:09] dbs | OCLC probably forced royt to license his FOAF under a crawler-hostile license [22:48:18] ksclarke_ | dbs: I'm sorry you won't be here to see me squirm [22:48:25] scolford | dbs++ [22:48:39] ---| ---> JodiS [n=JodiS@wsip-70-164-25-56.ri.ri.cox.net] has joined #code4lib [22:49:22] wickr | stymousisyday blocked 1 week 5 days never edit [22:49:22] wickr | thuttenl active 1 week 6 days never edit [22:49:22] wickr | Braazdoont blocked 1 week 6 days never edit [22:49:22] wickr | chrisabo active 2 weeks 10 hours never edit [22:49:22] wickr | crossref active 2 weeks 11 hours never edit [22:49:24] wickr | Jouslyflozy blocked 2 weeks 12 hours never edit [22:49:27] wickr | CraigQD blocked 2 weeks 18 hours never edit [22:49:28] ---| <<-- chickmarkley [n=chickmar@wsip-70-164-25-21.ri.ri.cox.net] has quit () [22:49:29] wickr | goodwriter blocked 2 weeks 20 hours never edit [22:49:32] wickr | Stisywainia blocked 2 weeks 1 day never edit [22:49:34] wickr | neignmagren blocked 2 weeks 1 day never edit [22:49:37] wickr | gosaap blocked 2 weeks 2 days never edit [22:49:39] wickr | browneg active 2 weeks 3 days never edit [22:49:42] wickr | AssulaArold blocked 2 weeks 3 days never edit [22:49:44] wickr | StephenHF blocked 2 weeks 3 days never edit [22:49:47] wickr | LilyStivenson blocked 2 weeks 4 days never edit [22:49:49] kgs | dbs royt had a memorandum of understanding about his foaf, but then it became a unilateral policy, and no one knows why [22:49:49] wickr | soseoradozy blocked 2 weeks 4 days never edit [22:49:52] wickr | Qetiduwexn blocked 2 weeks 4 days never edit [22:49:54] wickr | CKDennis blocked 2 weeks 4 days never edit [22:49:57] wickr | artych blocked 2 weeks 4 days never edit [22:49:59] wickr | ZOJustin blocked 2 weeks 5 days never edit [22:50:02] wickr | preferred blocked 2 weeks 6 days never edit [22:50:04] wickr | XKRoy blocked 2 weeks 6 days never edit [22:50:07] wickr | corpobb blocked 3 weeks 13 hours never edit [22:50:09] wickr | prostorenoru blocked 3 weeks 14 hours never edit [22:50:12] wickr | tmccormick active 3 weeks 2 days 2 days 9 hours ago edit [22:50:14] wickr | pmayr active 3 weeks 2 days 3 weeks 1 day ago edit [22:50:17] wickr | TregeAppape blocked 3 weeks 3 days never edit [22:50:19] wickr | ClassicNancyhere blocked 3 weeks 4 days never edit [22:50:22] wickr | magtamerlan.ru blocked 3 weeks 6 days never edit [22:50:24] wickr | KingXXXxxx blocked 4 weeks 2 hours never edit [22:50:27] wickr | shanlera61 blocked 4 weeks 8 hours never edit [22:50:29] wickr | Biscorpuser blocked 4 weeks 8 hours never edit [22:50:32] wickr | automatic forex... blocked 4 weeks 1 day never edit [22:50:34] wickr | tethealifele blocked 4 weeks 1 day never edit [22:50:37] wickr | Jedsslelo blocked 4 weeks 1 day never edit [22:50:40] wickr | Effishabs blocked 4 weeks 2 days never edit [22:50:42] wickr | drodroki blocked 4 weeks 2 days never edit [22:50:44] dbs | kgs++ [22:50:44] wickr | Deardarma blocked 4 weeks 5 days never edit [22:50:47] wickr | dhanu active 4 weeks 5 days 4 weeks 3 days ago edit [22:50:49] wickr | damn it [22:50:52] wickr | irssi++ # for warning me wickr-- # for hitting the wrong key combo [22:50:53] dbs | wickr++ [22:50:55] fak3r | ksclarke_: you know we're running djatoka to serve all images at BHL (biodiversity heritage library) now? it's running on a Linux box I'm running at Mobot (in st.louis) [22:51:11] ksclarke_ | yeah, I wanted to ask you about your 2/3rd layers of caching actually [22:51:32] ksclarke_ | so did you have to do something special to get the parameterized urls cached in apache and the other thing? [22:51:32] fak3r | ksclarke_: http://www.biodiversitylibrary.org/page/3588821 [22:52:05] ksclarke_ | fak3r: my co-speaker will be demoing your site I believe [22:52:18] ksclarke_ | internet connection willing, that is [22:52:37] fak3r | ksclarke_: I only enabled the disk cache and file cache in apache2 - varnish in front of it won't cache much as there's so much dynamic action in djatoka, but I still prefer having varnish (or haproxy) running the show in front [22:53:16] fak3r | tomcat/djatoka fills up /var/lib/tomcat5.5/temp like crazy - I have a cron job to keep it in check - AFAIK ryan hasn't implemented anything to control it [22:53:17] * mjg_ decides to finish working on presentation tomorrow [22:53:56] fak3r | ksclarke_: great, I'd like to sit in, it was embarassingly simple to implement, save for the UI (which I didn't/can't do) [22:54:23] ksclarke_ | fak3r: we may be directing questions to you :-) [22:55:07] fak3r | ksclarke_: would be happy to help, we were really happy to be early adopters, esp since the proprietary lura-tech solution was being overloadee [22:55:29] ksclarke_ | oh so is that what you had before? for some reason I thought it was aware [22:55:29] ---| <--- mjg_ [n=mjgiarlo@wsip-70-164-25-16.ri.ri.cox.net] has left #code4lib () [22:55:44] ---| ---> akorphan [i=62b63cab@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-507a5681225e96fd] has joined #code4lib [22:56:00] akorphan | greetings, late nite c4l crew [22:56:16] ksclarke_ | greetings akorphan [22:57:23] ---| <<-- Baroquem [n=matt@wsip-70-164-25-90.ri.ri.cox.net] has quit () [22:58:13] cazzerson | hey ak [22:58:30] akorphan | what's the word on the street, Rockapella? [22:59:17] cazzerson | where. in. the. world. is... [22:59:20] kgs | kinda nice to be at a great conf and not have to worry about speaking [22:59:38] * akorphan dropped 1x10^-1 large on a new power supply, got home, and found that his original power supply had decided to start working again. [23:02:00] dbs | akorphan: thinkpad? [23:02:01] ksclarke_ | kgs: at the moment, I wish I could say that... well, by tonight I'll feel that way at least [23:02:08] akorphan | inspiron [23:02:09] ksclarke_ | tomorrow night [23:02:29] akorphan | my PS is making a disconcerting buzzing noise now, but at least it's charging. [23:02:36] fak3r | akorphan: nice, I was in a conf in perth in the fall, as soon as I plugged in my brick failed. took 3 days to buy a new one (that would only power the laptop, not charge the battery - thanks!) [23:02:41] akorphan | I think it doesn't like AC cable I'm using. [23:03:37] fak3r | ksclarke_: bah, not to worry, if you hit a dead spot in the talk just defer to that blabbermouth from mobot ;) [23:03:55] cazzerson | hm, worked fine on my brick...maybe bad plug fit? weird. [23:04:02] wickr | akorphan: my a/c adapter for my latitude is on it's last breath, I bought a new Kensington last week [23:04:15] scolford | @knows scolford zoia [23:04:18] zoia | scolford: scolford and zoia know each other. [23:04:42] scolford | zoia: I love you. [23:04:43] zoia | scolford: Well, maybe, but this is the problem with tenure: http://mudhead.uottawa.ca/~pete/beard.gif [23:04:44] akorphan | I plugged the ac cable from my mom's inspiron into my brick and it lit up like a good little transformer. [23:05:12] fak3r | has anyone tried a Dell Inspiron Mini 9? I want to pull the trigger for a travel 'top [23:06:07] ksclarke_ | fak3r++ [23:07:11] kgs | fak3r I'm thinking about the ASUS Eee PC 1000HE 10-Inch Netbook [23:07:49] akorphan | newegg has a very similar 10-inch Lenovo which comes with an XP license [23:07:54] akorphan | which might not be important to some of you [23:07:56] JodiS | @known zoia [23:08:35] akorphan | but for those of you who need XPness for work or whatever.... [23:08:42] fak3r | kgs: have looked at that too, but have only played with the 7" screen on the Eee PC [23:09:12] fak3r | akorphan: yep, but I run Debian on all of my servers/workstations, so Ubuntu pre-installed via Dell would be fun [23:09:28] akorphan | definitely [23:09:47] ---| ---> rsinger [n=rsinger@wsip-70-164-25-50.ri.ri.cox.net] has joined #code4lib [23:09:48] * akorphan should eventually get around to making one of his old machines into a linux hobby server [23:10:03] fak3r | kgs: there has to be a place in the mall that has the Eee, or at least the MSI Wind to compare. I'd like to try out the Mini 9 keyboard for a decsionmaker [23:10:37] kgs | well, it would violate my plan to not leave the hotel for 2 days but perhaps we could sneak over :) [23:10:38] rangi | i have the hp mini 1000tu [23:10:47] rangi | it doesnt suck [23:10:52] fak3r | kgs++ [23:11:15] * akorphan got an awesome roll-up silicone keyboard at Staples for $8 [23:11:21] akorphan | Deal breaker: big enter key. [23:11:32] kgs | ok... I'm enjoying staying up late but I'm collapsing. nite all [23:11:36] ---| <<-- kgs [n=chatzill@wsip-70-164-25-117.ri.ri.cox.net] has quit ("ChatZilla 0.9.84 [Firefox 3.0.6/2009011913]") [23:11:45] ---| <<-- mbklein [n=mbklein@wsip-70-164-25-43.ri.ri.cox.net] has quit () [23:12:15] ---| ---> mbklein [n=mbklein@wsip-70-164-25-43.ri.ri.cox.net] has joined #code4lib [23:12:15] zoia | ALL RISE [23:12:17] ---| <<-- sara_bee [n=miker@c-76-97-57-109.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has quit (Connection reset by peer) [23:12:22] ---| ---> sara_bee [n=miker@c-76-97-57-109.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has joined #code4lib [23:12:23] jaf | heh [23:12:34] mbklein | I <3 my herald [23:12:47] mbklein | @herald add scolford O HAI [23:12:48] zoia | mbklein: Error: I can't find scolford in my user database. If you didn't give a user name, then I might not know what your user is, and you'll need to identify before this command might work. [23:13:08] mbklein | @whoami [23:13:08] zoia | mbklein: mbklein [23:13:16] scolford | @whoami [23:13:17] zoia | scolford: I don't recognize you. [23:14:07] ---| <--- SportChick [i=essy@freenode/staff/sportchick] has left #code4lib () [23:14:17] scolford | @register scolford [23:14:18] zoia | scolford: Error: That operation cannot be done in a channel. [23:14:49] wickr | scolford: /msg zoia register scolford password [23:15:05] scolford | wickr: de nada [23:15:35] scolford | @whoami [23:15:37] zoia | scolford: scolford [23:17:39] scolford | @herald add scolford O HAI [23:17:41] zoia | scolford: The operation succeeded. [23:18:06] fak3r | akorphan: can't find a Lenovo on newegg that's a netbook. Link? [23:18:18] fak3r | rangi: will look at the hp mini 1000tu next, thanks [23:18:29] ksclarke_ | @quote random [23:18:29] zoia | ksclarke_: Quote #546: "< decasm> MARC = MAchine Readable Cacophony" (added by edsu at 11:45 AM, November 29, 2006) [23:20:16] ---| <<-- cazzerson [n=jmcasden@wsip-70-164-25-48.ri.ri.cox.net] has quit () [23:23:00] mbklein | @reload FOAF [23:23:01] zoia | mbklein: The operation succeeded. [23:23:04] mbklein | @known [23:23:04] zoia | mbklein: I know URIs for the following users: BillDueber, JodiS, gsf, jbrinley, kgs, ksclarke_, mbklein, mjg_, royt, scolford, wickr, zoia [23:23:16] mbklein | @knows gsf kgs [23:23:18] zoia | mbklein: gsf and kgs do not know each other. [23:23:25] JodiS | @knows mbklein gsf [23:23:26] zoia | JodiS: mbklein and gsf know each other. [23:23:26] mbklein | @knows royt kgs [23:23:27] zoia | mbklein: royt knows kgs, but kgs does not know royt. [23:23:36] JodiS | cool plugin! [23:23:39] mbklein | @known jbrinley [23:23:40] zoia | mbklein: jbrinley's URI is [23:23:44] mbklein | @forget jbrinley [23:23:44] zoia | mbklein: OK, I've forgotten jbrinley's URI [23:23:46] mbklein | @forget jbrinley [23:23:47] zoia | mbklein: I didn't know jbrinley's URI anyway. [23:23:52] mbklein | @known jbrinley [23:23:52] JodiS | @knows mbklein JodiS [23:23:54] zoia | mbklein: I don't know jbrinley's URI [23:23:55] zoia | JodiS: An error has occurred and has been logged. Please contact this bot's administrator for more information. [23:23:59] JodiS | :( [23:24:03] mbklein | @know jbrinley http://jbrinley.xplus3.net/id/ [23:24:04] zoia | mbklein: jbrinley's URI is now [23:24:11] * JodiS probably still has a FOAF problem [23:24:14] jbrinley | mbklein++ [23:24:27] mbklein | JodiS: I tried that on my test server (where I can see the error output). Your FOAF didn't parse. [23:25:06] mbklein | It's probably a good idea to return better error messages, but that's for tomorrow. [23:25:33] ---| <<-- royt [n=tennantr@wsip-70-164-25-122.ri.ri.cox.net] has quit () [23:26:04] akorphan | fak3r, re: lenovo: none off the top of my head... I just saw it in the library and asked the person where they got it. [23:31:03] * akorphan apparently still has a FOAF problem. [23:31:37] mbklein | @reload FOAF [23:31:39] zoia | mbklein: The operation succeeded. [23:31:40] mbklein | @known [23:31:41] zoia | mbklein: I know URIs for the following users: BillDueber, JodiS, gsf, jbrinley, kgs, ksclarke_, mbklein, mjg_, royt, scolford, wickr, zoia [23:31:45] mbklein | @known mbklein [23:31:45] zoia | mbklein: mbklein's URI is [23:31:56] mbklein | @knows mbklein JodiS [23:32:33] mbklein | Did I just kill zoia? [23:32:36] mbklein | @whoami [23:32:36] zoia | mbklein: mbklein [23:33:08] mbklein | @known mbklein [23:33:09] zoia | mbklein: mbklein's URI is [23:33:16] mbklein | @knows mbklein royt [23:33:49] akorphan | @whoami [23:33:49] zoia | akorphan: I don't recognize you. [23:33:57] mbklein | Damn identation problem. [23:34:00] mbklein | @reload FOAF [23:34:01] zoia | mbklein: The operation succeeded. [23:34:05] mbklein | @knows mbklein royt [23:34:06] zoia | mbklein: mbklein and royt know each other. [23:34:11] mbklein | @knows mbklein JodiS [23:34:14] zoia | mbklein: An error has occurred and has been logged. Please contact this bot's administrator for more information. [23:34:16] dbs | python++ [23:34:50] akorphan | @whoami [23:34:51] zoia | akorphan: akorphan [23:35:09] * JodiS is confused at the error: there is no attribute "rdf:resource" [23:35:29] akorphan | @know akorphan http://www4.ncsu.edu/~akorphan/foaf.rdf#akorphan [23:35:32] zoia | akorphan: akorphan's URI is now [23:35:38] akorphan | @knows akorphan [23:35:38] zoia | akorphan: (knows ) -- Determines if the two given nicks know each other based on their registered FOAFs. [23:35:49] akorphan | @known akorphan [23:35:50] zoia | akorphan: akorphan's URI is [23:36:01] akorphan | @knows akorphan mbklein [23:36:03] zoia | akorphan: akorphan and mbklein do not know each other. [23:36:22] akorphan | @knows akorphan cazzerson [23:36:22] zoia | akorphan: I don't know cazzerson's URI [23:36:33] akorphan | figures. [23:44:06] jbrinley | @known mbklein [23:44:07] zoia | jbrinley: mbklein's URI is [23:44:21] mbklein | @reload FOAF [23:44:23] zoia | mbklein: The operation succeeded. [23:45:41] jbrinley | @knows jbrinley mbklein [23:45:43] zoia | jbrinley: jbrinley knows mbklein, but mbklein does not know jbrinley. [23:45:56] dbs | @known JodiS [23:45:56] zoia | dbs: JodiS's URI is [23:46:06] jbrinley | @knows jbrinley JodiS [23:46:09] zoia | jbrinley: An error has occurred and has been logged. Please contact this bot's administrator for more information. [23:46:23] akorphan | JodiS is broken! [23:46:30] ---| User: *** jbrinley is now known as jbrinley_sleepin [23:46:34] mbklein | JodiS's FOAF won't parse. I'm trying to get a reasonable error message. [23:46:37] * JodiS is broen [23:46:46] * JodiS 's k key is broen too [23:47:05] JodiS | oh wait: I am not my FOAF! woohoo for that! :) [23:47:11] JodiS | mbklein++ [23:47:16] mbklein | @known jbrinley [23:47:16] zoia | mbklein: jbrinley's URI is [23:47:30] JodiS | who knew that internal FOAF would prove so difficult... [23:47:31] mbklein | @knows mbklein jbrinley [23:47:33] zoia | mbklein: mbklein and jbrinley know each other. [23:48:11] akorphan | @knows akorphan erdos [23:48:12] zoia | akorphan: I don't know erdos's URI [23:48:22] akorphan | oh well, worth a shot. [23:48:35] ---| <<-- ksclarke_ [n=ksclarke@wsip-70-164-25-98.ri.ri.cox.net] has quit ("Going where the weather suits my clothes") [23:49:10] mbklein | akorphan++ [23:49:17] mbklein | @reload FOAF [23:49:18] zoia | mbklein: The operation succeeded. [23:49:23] mbklein | @knows JodiS zoia [23:49:26] zoia | mbklein: An error has occurred and has been logged. Please contact this bot's administrator for more information. [23:49:32] * mbklein sighs [23:49:51] scolford | @knows scolford zoia [23:49:53] zoia | scolford: scolford and zoia know each other. [23:50:14] jbrinley_slee | mbklein: have you tried it with a generic StandardError? [23:50:33] mbklein | jbrinley_sleepin: No, is that the error from which all others descend? [23:50:42] jbrinley_slee | mbklein: I believe so [23:50:50] jbrinley_slee | mbklein: or, at least most errors [23:50:54] mbklein | OK [23:51:02] * jbrinley_sle really goes to be now [23:51:54] mbklein | @reload FOAF [23:51:54] zoia | mbklein: The operation succeeded. [23:51:58] mbklein | @knows JodiS zoia [23:52:00] zoia | mbklein: An error has occurred and has been logged. Please contact this bot's administrator for more information. [23:52:17] mbklein | I'm gonna debug this one on my own machine. Maybe tomorrow, though. [23:52:36] JodiS | indeed [23:54:25] ---| <<-- scolford [n=scolford@wsip-70-164-25-80.ri.ri.cox.net] has quit ("Night, kids.") [23:54:51] ---| ---> MrDys [i=MrDys@wsip-70-164-25-69.ri.ri.cox.net] has joined #code4lib [23:57:23] JodiS | @later tell edsu Can you put up your lcsh.info slides at http://wiki.code4lib.org/index.php/LinkedData ? [23:57:24] zoia | JodiS: The operation succeeded. [23:57:35] JodiS @later tell lbjay Can you put up your vocab slides at http://wiki.code4lib.org/index.php/LinkedData ? [23:57:35] zoia | JodiS: The operation succeeded. [23:58:02] JodiS | somebody please bug anders & charper too... [23:58:14] MrDys | @later tell bess musicbrainz is using amazon for CD covers. The ASIN is embedded in the MB record and is generating an img url based on that. [23:58:15] zoia | MrDys: The operation succeeded. [23:58:28] fak3r | when do the talks start up tomorrow, 9am? [23:59:16] ---| Channel: JodiS changed the topic of #code4lib to: #c4l09 Monday: continental breakfast 7:45-8:45, welcomes starting at 8:45 [23:59:39] rsinger | JodiS++ --- Day changed Tue Feb 24 2009 [00:00:04] JodiS | keynote at 9:15, but 8:45 is the "talks get started" (meaning welcome & a reprise of anarchivist's awesome HOWTO talk from last year) [00:00:13] ---| <<-- akorphan [i=62b63cab@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-507a5681225e96fd] has quit ("http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client") [00:00:18] MrDys | anarchivist++ [00:00:30] ---| User: *** JodiS is now known as JodiS_zzz [00:01:19] rsinger | what is the 'whatever' room? [00:01:50] fak3r | rsinger: unsure, assume it's the same room we were in today, only extended. [00:02:31] rsinger | fak3r: well, actually it's in the handel room [00:02:44] rsinger | which i think is on the floor above the ballroom? [00:02:46] rsinger | not sure [00:03:02] fak3r | ah, perhaps I need to get out earlier ;) [00:03:55] rsinger | it's mentioned in the 'community and communication' section of the program [00:04:07] rsinger | with, like, the twitter hashtag and stuff [00:04:11] ---| ---> wickr_ [n=wickr@c-24-21-35-5.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has joined #code4lib [00:04:32] ---| <<-- wickr [n=wickr@c-24-21-35-5.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has quit (Nick collision from services.) [00:04:36] ---| User: *** wickr_ is now known as wickr [00:05:08] mbklein | @known JodiS [00:05:10] zoia | mbklein: JodiS's URI is [00:07:25] ---| ---> erikhatcher [n=erik@wsip-70-164-25-61.ri.ri.cox.net] has joined #code4lib [00:09:42] mbklein | @reload FOAF [00:09:44] zoia | mbklein: An error has occurred and has been logged. Please contact this bot's administrator for more information. [00:10:38] mbklein | @reload FOAF [00:10:39] zoia | mbklein: Error: There was no plugin FOAF. [00:10:43] mbklein | @load FOAF [00:10:45] zoia | mbklein: The operation succeeded. [00:10:45] ---| <<-- jbrinley_sleepin [i=jbrinley@wsip-70-164-25-111.ri.ri.cox.net] has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) [00:10:48] mbklein | @knows mbklein JodiS [00:10:51] zoia | mbklein: Error: http://jodischneider.com:30:3: Invalid property attribute URI: http://www.w3.org/1999/02/22-rdf-syntax-ns#resource [00:11:48] dbs | @knows ksclarke djakota [00:11:49] zoia | dbs: I don't know ksclarke's URI [00:12:00] ---| <<-- fak3r [i=phil@wsip-70-164-25-110.ri.ri.cox.net] has quit ("Lost terminal") [00:14:22] mbklein | @known [00:14:22] zoia | mbklein: I know URIs for the following users: BillDueber, JodiS, akorphan, gsf, jbrinley, kgs, ksclarke_, mbklein, mjg_, royt, scolford, wickr, zoia [00:14:31] mbklein | @known mbklein [00:14:32] zoia | mbklein: mbklein's URI is [00:14:35] mbklein | @forget mbklein [00:14:35] zoia | mbklein: OK, I've forgotten mbklein's URI [00:14:38] mbklein | @forget mbklein [00:14:39] zoia | mbklein: I didn't know mbklein's URI anyway. [00:14:47] mbklein | @know mbklein http://michael.is.outoffoc.us/michael/foaf.rdf#me [00:14:47] zoia | mbklein: mbklein's URI is now [00:14:50] mbklein | @forget zoia [00:14:50] zoia | mbklein: Funny. Not. [00:15:00] mbklein | @known zoia [00:15:08] zoia | mbklein: zoia's URI is [00:15:16] mbklein | @known ksclarke_ [00:15:18] zoia | mbklein: ksclarke_'s URI is [00:15:29] mbklein | @know ksclarke http://kevinclarke.info/foaf.rdf#me [00:15:30] zoia | mbklein: ksclarke's URI is now [00:15:34] mbklein | @forget ksclarke_ [00:15:35] zoia | mbklein: OK, I've forgotten ksclarke_'s URI [00:15:45] mbklein | @knows ksclarke mbklein [00:15:45] zoia | mbklein: I don't know ksclarke's URI [00:15:55] mbklein | @know ksclarke http://kevinclarke.info/foaf.rdf#me [00:15:56] zoia | mbklein: ksclarke's URI is now [00:15:58] mbklein | @knows ksclarke mbklein [00:15:59] zoia | mbklein: ksclarke does not know mbklein, but mbklein knows ksclarke. [00:16:34] mbklein | g'night everybody. [00:16:38] ---| <<-- mbklein [n=mbklein@wsip-70-164-25-43.ri.ri.cox.net] has quit ("zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz") [00:17:43] ---| <<-- jtgorman [n=jon@c-98-220-253-23.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has quit ("Leaving.") [00:17:50] zoia | New news from planetcode4lib: del.icio.us: Online Research: Zotero Moves Into the Cloud - ReadWriteWeb || del.icio.us: namespace lookup for RDF developers | prefix.cc || del.icio.us: LinkedData - Code4Lib || del.icio.us: OCLC Grid Services Boot Camp (2009 Preconference) | code4lib || Matien [00:24:52] ---| <<-- dbs [n=dan@pdpc/supporter/active/dbs] has quit ("Ex-Chat") [00:29:30] MrDys | @later tell bess ...but if you're querying freebase, fb will store CD covers from wikipedia complete with rights holder information (if available): http://www.freebase.com/view/wikipedia/images/en_id/202459 [00:29:31] zoia | MrDys: The operation succeeded. [00:38:08] ---| <<-- BillDueber [n=dueberb@wsip-70-164-25-31.ri.ri.cox.net] has quit () [00:44:46] anarchivist_r | @known anarchivist [00:44:47] zoia | anarchivist_room: I don't know anarchivist's URI [00:45:04] ---| <<-- anarchivist [n=anarchiv@32.165.114.230] has quit ("used jmIrc") [00:45:09] ---| User: *** anarchivist_room is now known as anarchivist [00:45:32] anarchivist | @know anarchivist http://thesecretmirror.com/foaf.xml#matienzo [00:45:34] zoia | anarchivist: anarchivist's URI is now [00:45:42] anarchivist | @known [00:45:42] zoia | anarchivist: I know URIs for the following users: BillDueber, JodiS, akorphan, anarchivist, gsf, jbrinley, kgs, ksclarke, mbklein, mjg_, royt, scolford, wickr, zoia [00:45:52] anarchivist | @knows gsf anarchivist [00:45:53] zoia | anarchivist: gsf knows anarchivist, but anarchivist does not know gsf. [00:45:59] anarchivist | whut. [00:46:27] dchud_ | @know flighty http://old.onebiglibrary.net/misc/foaf.rdf [00:46:28] zoia | dchud_: flighty's URI is now [00:46:32] ---| User: *** dchud_ is now known as dchud [00:46:36] dchud | @known [00:46:37] zoia | dchud: I know URIs for the following users: BillDueber, JodiS, akorphan, anarchivist, flighty, gsf, jbrinley, kgs, ksclarke, mbklein, mjg_, royt, scolford, wickr, zoia [00:46:48] anarchivist | ugh [00:47:31] ---| ---> mib_78aq6am3 [i=46a4190c@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-36cd86e83b85e7d4] has joined #code4lib [00:48:37] ---| <--- mib_78aq6am3 [i=46a4190c@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-36cd86e83b85e7d4] has left #code4lib () [00:48:59] MrDys | @know MrDys http://dysinterested.com/foaf.rdf#me [00:49:00] zoia | MrDys: MrDys's URI is now [00:49:10] MrDys | @known [00:49:11] zoia | MrDys: I know URIs for the following users: BillDueber, JodiS, MrDys, akorphan, anarchivist, flighty, gsf, jbrinley, kgs, ksclarke, mbklein, mjg_, royt, scolford, wickr, zoia [00:49:28] anarchivist | @knows MrDys anarchivist [00:49:29] zoia | anarchivist: MrDys does not know anarchivist, but anarchivist knows MrDys. [00:49:49] anarchivist | ok i need tou stopgbv playing w rdf and go to bed [00:50:19] anarchivist | ugh [00:52:52] lbjay | @know lbjay [00:52:53] zoia | lbjay: (know [] ) -- Associates the given URI with the given nick. If the nick already has a URI, it will be forgotten. Defaults to the calling user. [00:53:38] lbjay | @know lbjay http://blog.reallywow.com/foaf#me [00:53:39] zoia | lbjay: lbjay's URI is now [00:53:49] dchud | i know this is a mistake... but i'm firing up nodebox. [00:54:17] MrDys | anyone happen to know where breakfast is? I like to know where I need to stumble to in the a.m.m [00:55:14] lbjay | @later tell edsu you should've gone with the smoked cheddar popcorn. this shit is good [00:55:15] zoia | lbjay: The operation succeeded. [00:55:50] anarchivist | MrDys: let me know if u find out [00:55:58] * anarchivist had too much naragansett [00:56:10] lbjay | anarchivist smells like people [00:56:17] anarchivist | lbjay++ [00:56:50] ---| <<-- rsinger [n=rsinger@wsip-70-164-25-50.ri.ri.cox.net] has quit () [00:57:59] MrDys | dear providence, stop being cold. [00:58:04] ---| User: *** MrDys is now known as MrDys_slep [00:58:14] anarchivist | MrDys: apparently, you didnot drink enuf naragansett [00:58:56] lbjay | naragasett is necessary for survival [00:59:31] lbjay | that and smoked cheddar popcorn [00:59:32] ---| <<-- sboyette_ [n=sboyette@75.150.13.105] has quit (Connection reset by peer) [01:00:01] anarchivist | lbjay: where did you get that smoked cheddar popcorn [01:00:08] lbjay | anarchivist: front desk [01:00:21] lbjay | this_hotel++ [01:00:31] anarchivist | lbjay: remind me of that for tomorrow :) [01:00:38] lbjay | anarchivist: will do [01:00:49] ---| <<-- phase_bb2 [n=phase_bb@m2e5e36d0.tmodns.net] has quit ("used jmIrc") [01:01:07] ---| ---> phase_bb [n=phase_bb@m6e5e36d0.tmodns.net] has joined #code4lib [01:01:27] ---| ---> sboyette [n=sboyette@75.150.13.105] has joined #code4lib [01:01:57] anarchivist | unfortunately i don't think there's anymore dance music in PVD this week [01:09:55] ---| <<-- sara_bee [n=miker@c-76-97-57-109.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) [01:10:04] ---| ---> danwho [i=46a4190c@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-f41d54a06a33955d] has joined #code4lib [01:10:26] ---| <<-- danwho [i=46a4190c@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-f41d54a06a33955d] has quit (Client Quit) [01:37:14] ---| <<-- BigD [n=dfleming@wsip-70-164-25-119.ri.ri.cox.net] has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) [01:50:58] jaf | @quote random [01:50:59] zoia | jaf: Quote #822: " any jerk that says notepad is all i need to code with is either a shitty programmer or a fucking moron" (added by ksclarke at 03:51 PM, April 10, 2007) [01:51:06] ---| <<-- jaf [n=jaf@202-169-165-161.aspublic.wlan.sinica.edu.tw] has quit () [01:52:59] rangi | yeah, use vim you morons [01:53:14] dchud | jaf! 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[07:42:13] BillDueber | Also, google keeps telling me... [07:42:14] BillDueber | We're sorry... ... but your query looks similar to automated requests from a computer virus or spyware application. To protect our users, we can't process your request right now. [07:42:46] ---| ---> rsinger [n=rsinger@wsip-70-164-25-73.ri.ri.cox.net] has joined #code4lib [07:43:43] ---| ---> kevin7kal [n=kevin7ka@cbl171004.sce.ceinetworks.com] has joined #code4lib [07:46:03] ---| ---> rjw [n=rjw@wsip-70-164-25-108.ri.ri.cox.net] has joined #code4lib [07:49:08] zoia | New news from planetcode4lib: Panlibus (Talis): A look through the Grid at Code4lib [07:49:38] ---| <<-- erikstattin [n=erikstat@72-255-46-12.client.stsn.net] has quit () [07:50:19] ---| <<-- Baroquem [n=matt@wsip-70-164-25-72.ri.ri.cox.net] has quit () [07:53:27] BillDueber | Is there a secret to running an irc client on the hotel network? [07:55:53] BillDueber | @know BillDueber http://billdueber.com/foaf.rdf#me [07:55:54] zoia | BillDueber: BillDueber's URI is now [07:56:31] ejk | BillDueber: I'm ssh'ed into a screen session on a server and running IRC from there [07:57:36] BillDueber | ejk: Well, as long as it's easy... Is the hotel blocking high ports? [07:57:54] ---| ---> erikstattin [n=erikstat@72-255-46-12.client.stsn.net] has joined #code4lib [07:58:41] ejk | I think I'm only using 22 and 80 [08:00:51] ---| ---> erikhatcher [n=erik@wsip-70-164-25-61.ri.ri.cox.net] has joined #code4lib [08:01:15] lbjay | BillDueber: good to know you're getting that too [08:01:20] lbjay | BillDueber: from gmail [08:01:27] ---| <<-- erikstattin [n=erikstat@72-255-46-12.client.stsn.net] has quit (Client Quit) [08:02:30] lbjay | BillDueber: and yes re: the high ports i think. some folks were having problems yesterday [08:02:33] ejk | I just found that the gmail pane of iGoogle works [08:03:31] edsu | are you guys down in the ballroom already? [08:03:58] ---| ---> JodiS [n=JodiS@wsip-70-164-25-56.ri.ri.cox.net] has joined #code4lib [08:04:13] lbjay | edsu: still drinking coffee in my room [08:04:50] lbjay | does anyone have an alarm clock in their room? I am sans clock [08:05:15] ---| <<-- JodiS [n=JodiS@wsip-70-164-25-56.ri.ri.cox.net] has quit (Client Quit) [08:05:23] * ejk is still in room, looking at alarm clock [08:06:05] edsu | yea, there is an alarm clock in here [08:07:11] edsu | lbjay: heheh re: smoked cheddar [08:07:47] lbjay | edsu: heheh re: you eating that entire bag in < 10 minutes last night [08:08:32] edsu | i was a drunken fool by that point [08:08:50] ---| ---> akorphan [i=46a4190c@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-a8731cbd01617033] has joined #code4lib [08:09:01] akorphan | BREEKFUST [08:09:42] ---| ---> JodiS [n=JodiS@wsip-70-164-25-56.ri.ri.cox.net] has joined #code4lib [08:09:42] lbjay | edsu: crawl.py is very io-intensive. i got an auto-notice from my linode that my disk IO was way up. [08:10:38] lbjay | s/crawl.py/BDB/ [08:10:41] akorphan | i still don't show up on the crawl. I think cazzerson's foaf.rdf might be borked somehow. [08:11:44] JodiS | lbjay: awesome food downstairs--fruit, muffins, bagels, coffee & tea [08:11:56] JodiS | lbjay: we have an alarm clock... odd that you don't [08:12:02] akorphan | the honeydew is actually the right amount of ripe! [08:12:11] * lbjay goes to get ready [08:13:31] ---| ---> BillDueber_ [n=dueberb@141.211.43.192] has joined #code4lib [08:15:42] ---| <<-- BillDueber [i=46a4190c@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-5b8a6e29571102a7] has quit ("http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client") [08:16:04] JodiS | rsinger: the handel 'whatever' room wasn't actually open last night... was dark [08:16:36] ---| User: *** MrDys_slep is now known as MrDys [08:16:44] MrDys | JodiS: where's the food? [08:16:47] * BillDueber_ actually got ssh tunnels to work. First time eva [08:16:50] JodiS | mbklein++ [08:16:53] ---| User: *** BillDueber_ is now known as BillDueber [08:16:57] JodiS | error messages FTW! [08:17:58] kgs | off to eat a continent! [08:18:12] JodiS | /topic #c4l09 Monday: continental breakfast 7:45-8:45, welcomes starting at 8:45. Join us in the ballroom. [08:18:23] ---| Channel: JodiS changed the topic of #code4lib to: #c4l09 Monday: continental breakfast 7:45-8:45, welcomes starting at 8:45. Join us in the ballroom. [08:19:07] ---| ---> Baroquem [n=matt@wsip-70-164-25-72.ri.ri.cox.net] has joined #code4lib [08:19:39] akorphan | If you go to the Temple restaurant, there's some graffiti at the entrance. You should check it out and admire it because it's graffiti that was preserved from when the building was an empty husk of a Masonic temple. [08:20:12] ---| ---> mib_jf3p6hdu [i=46a4190c@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-003640de30e7054a] has joined #code4lib [08:20:15] JodiS | MrDys: outside the ballroom [08:20:26] JodiS | graffiti_preservation++ [08:20:35] ---| User: *** mib_jf3p6hdu is now known as fak3r [08:20:38] ---| ---> mpark [n=mpark@128.148.216.27] has joined #code4lib [08:20:52] JodiS | akorphan: does zoia @know you? [08:21:06] akorphan | @knows akorphan [08:21:07] zoia | akorphan: (knows ) -- Determines if the two given nicks know each other based on their registered FOAFs. [08:21:14] akorphan | @known akorphan [08:21:15] zoia | akorphan: akorphan's URI is [08:21:23] fak3r | @knows fak3r [08:21:23] zoia | fak3r: (knows ) -- Determines if the two given nicks know each other based on their registered FOAFs. [08:21:48] ---| ---> dbs [n=dan@pdpc/supporter/active/dbs] has joined #code4lib [08:21:50] fak3r | @known fak3r [08:21:51] zoia | fak3r: I don't know fak3r's URI [08:22:12] fak3r | JodiS: how do I tell zoia my foaf uri? [08:22:27] JodiS | @know username uri [08:22:29] zoia | JodiS: Error: 'uri' is not a valid url. [08:22:40] JodiS | @forget username [08:22:41] zoia | JodiS: I didn't know username's URI anyway. [08:22:47] akorphan | zoia: so literal. [08:22:48] zoia | akorphan: wheedly-wheedly-whee! [08:22:51] JodiS | nice error messages! :) mbklein++ [08:22:53] ---| <<-- mpark [n=mpark@128.148.216.27] has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) [08:23:01] * JodiS is a sucker for nice error msgs [08:23:09] JodiS | @list foaf [08:23:11] zoia | JodiS: forget, know, known, and knows [08:23:23] JodiS | @knows mbklein edsu [08:23:24] zoia | JodiS: I don't know edsu's URI [08:23:30] JodiS | @know [08:23:31] zoia | JodiS: (know [] ) -- Associates the given URI with the given nick. If the nick already has a URI, it will be forgotten. Defaults to the calling user. [08:23:33] JodiS | @known [08:23:35] zoia JodiS: I know URIs for the following users: BillDueber, JodiS, MrDys, akorphan, anarchivist, flighty, gsf, jbrinley, kgs, ksclarke, lbjay, mbklein, mjg_, royt, scolford, wickr, zoia [08:23:39] akorphan | can someone add me to their foaf so it'll see if I get crawled? [08:23:44] JodiS | @knows BillDueber scolford [08:23:55] zoia | JodiS: BillDueber and scolford do not know each other. [08:24:11] JodiS | @list todo [08:24:13] zoia | JodiS: add, change, remove, search, setpriority, and todo [08:24:25] JodiS | @add [08:24:26] zoia | JodiS: Error: The command "add" is available in the AudioScrobbler, Dunno, Herald, Poll, Praise, Quote, RSS, Todo, and WordStats plugins. Please specify the plugin whose command you wish to call by using its name as a command before "add". [08:24:31] JodiS | @add todo [08:24:32] zoia | JodiS: Error: The command "add" is available in the AudioScrobbler, Dunno, Herald, Poll, Praise, Quote, RSS, Todo, and WordStats plugins. Please specify the plugin whose command you wish to call by using its name as a command before "add". [08:24:38] JodiS | @todo add [08:24:39] zoia | JodiS: Error: You must be registered to use this command. If you are already registered, you must either identify (using the identify command) or add a hostmask matching your current hostmask (using the "hostmask add" command). [08:24:46] ---| <<-- BillDueber [n=dueberb@141.211.43.192] has quit () [08:24:53] ---| <<-- anarchivist [n=anarchiv@unaffiliated/anarchivist] has quit () [08:25:36] JodiS | @todo add [08:25:37] zoia | JodiS: (todo add [--priority=] ) -- Adds as a task in your own personal todo list. The optional priority argument allows you to set a task as a high or low priority. Any integer is valid. [08:25:50] fak3r | @know fak3r http://philcryer.com/foaf.rdf#me [08:25:50] zoia | fak3r: fak3r's URI is now [08:25:58] fak3r | JodiS: thanks! [08:26:02] JodiS | np! [08:26:14] JodiS | mbklein++ for hacking it up, IIUC [08:26:18] ---| ---> ecorrado_ [n=ecorrado@wsip-70-164-25-68.ri.ri.cox.net] has joined #code4lib [08:26:32] ecorrado_ | coffee! 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[08:29:54] fak3r | strange, I cannot connect to irc.fak3r.com via clients (irssi/xchat) [08:30:12] fak3r | s/fak3r.com/freenode.net/g [08:30:57] ---| ---> anarchivist [n=anarchiv@wsip-70-164-25-84.ri.ri.cox.net] has joined #code4lib [08:31:07] ---| <<-- anarchivist [n=anarchiv@unaffiliated/anarchivist] has quit (Client Quit) [08:31:29] ---| ---> cbarr [i=46a4190c@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-0f9a6a866dec6adb] has joined #code4lib [08:32:10] akorphan | fak3r: Yeah, I had problems connecting directly to freenode. Apparently there's some alternate wireless configuration you can do on port 8000, but it takes some kind of extra setup steps, I think. [08:32:33] JodiS | has anybody managed to get an iphone on ipod touch onto the hotel network? [08:32:51] ---| ---> anarchivist [n=anarchiv@wsip-70-164-25-84.ri.ri.cox.net] has joined #code4lib [08:33:27] fak3r | akorphan: weird, worked a-ok for me yesterday, hope I have ssh out [08:33:38] ---| ---> BLTnoTomato [i=837a6839@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-57ae94ad6d6f9f23] has joined #code4lib [08:34:03] ---| ---> mpark [n=mpark@128.148.216.27] has joined #code4lib [08:35:25] JodiS | is anybody using trillium today? [08:35:56] ecorrado | JodiS: you need to call ibahn and have them do something to get the iPhone/itouch to work [08:35:59] ---| ---> kat3 [i=46a4190c@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-91ae737b8e094ff2] has joined #code4lib [08:37:40] ---| ---> mib_6ndtyip8 [i=46a4190c@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-35a161ffc4287ba6] has joined #code4lib [08:37:43] ---| ---> jbrinley [i=46a4190c@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-6702b34341ae693c] has joined #code4lib [08:37:51] ---| ---> timmcgeary [i=46a4190c@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-6a5f2a5914373162] has joined #code4lib [08:38:00] JodiS | ecorrado: Jean says they know about it [08:38:03] jbrinley | blocked_ports-- [08:38:10] JodiS | blocked_ports-- [08:38:13] timmcgeary | hi room [08:38:16] JodiS | hi tim! [08:38:20] timmcgeary | hi Jodi [08:38:21] jbrinley | hi, timmcgeary [08:38:25] ---| User: *** mib_6ndtyip8 is now known as mouwd [08:38:28] ecorrado | JodiS: timmcgeary can give you the itouch details [08:38:30] timmcgeary | hi jbrinley [08:38:41] timmcgeary | how did you know that? [08:38:44] JodiS | timmcgeary: did you get an itouch onto the wireless? [08:38:49] timmcgeary | yes [08:38:57] timmcgeary | you have to call the ibahn support [08:39:05] timmcgeary | it's a pain, but they do it pretty quickly [08:39:16] timmcgeary | for the conference room, it is 877-787-6266 [08:39:26] JodiS | timmcgeary++ [08:39:31] ---| <<-- MrDys [i=MrDys@wsip-70-164-25-69.ri.ri.cox.net] has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) [08:39:45] timmcgeary | for the hotel room, call the number that is listed on the desk [08:40:14] JodiS | cool, can't get service in the ballroom, but will make that call later [08:40:29] JodiS | do we have a "wireless tips" page for the conference yet? [08:40:31] ---| <<-- kgs [n=chatzill@wsip-70-164-25-117.ri.ri.cox.net] has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) [08:40:40] timmcgeary | there is a courtesy phone just outside the ballroom by the registration desk [08:40:45] timmcgeary | just ask the operator to connect you [08:40:50] timmcgeary | that's what I did [08:40:51] jbrinley | JodiS: you can probably just add it to the conference buzz page [08:41:02] ---| User: *** pmurray_away is now known as pmurray [08:41:08] ---| ---> dchud [i=46a4190c@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-90805beb4d98bc26] has joined #code4lib [08:41:09] timmcgeary | what's that URL, I can add the iPod/iTouch thing [08:41:10] jbrinley | JodiS: http://wiki.code4lib.org/index.php/Conference_Buzz [08:41:24] ---| ---> abarrera [n=abarrera@wsip-70-164-25-91.ri.ri.cox.net] has joined #code4lib [08:41:24] JodiS | timmcgeary++ [08:41:26] ---| <<-- rsinger [n=rsinger@wsip-70-164-25-73.ri.ri.cox.net] has quit () [08:41:28] JodiS | jbrinley++ [08:41:50] ---| ---> MrDys [i=MrDys@wsip-70-164-25-69.ri.ri.cox.net] has joined #code4lib [08:41:53] dchud | hey i can only connect to irc over mibbit. do i need to tell my regular chat client to use an alt port or something? [08:42:07] anarchivist | dchud: try port 8000 [08:42:09] kat3 | dchud: i'm having the same problem [08:42:17] anarchivist | i'm using card.freenode.net [08:42:29] dchud | ok trying [08:42:29] ---| <--- dchud [i=46a4190c@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-90805beb4d98bc26] has left #code4lib () [08:42:42] ---| <<-- kat3 [i=46a4190c@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-91ae737b8e094ff2] has quit ("http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client") [08:42:49] MrDys | mmmmmmibbit [08:43:18] jbrinley | anyone know how to tell x-chat to use port 8000? [08:43:44] ---| ---> cazzerson [i=46a4190c@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-010b76aee8ee72fe] has joined #code4lib [08:43:46] jbrinley | /server card.freenode.net:8000 gives me "Unknown host. Maybe you misspelled it?" [08:43:53] timmcgeary | is the buzz page using the same login as the code4lib website? [08:43:57] MrDys | jbrinley: space 8000 [08:44:00] ---| ---> mib_6d4dxbev [i=46a4190c@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-67b6eb6203ee6349] has joined #code4lib [08:44:04] anarchivist | timmcgeary: nope [08:44:04] ---| ---> BillDueber [n=dueberb@waffle.umdl.umich.edu] has joined #code4lib [08:44:05] MrDys | jbrinley: /server card.freenode.net 8000 [08:44:12] jbrinley | ah, space [08:44:18] JodiS | @later tell ksclarke I've got the audio recorder if you want to use it today [08:44:19] zoia | JodiS: The operation succeeded. [08:44:22] timmcgeary | so I create a new account, ok [08:44:31] wickr | timmcgeary: yeah, separate account [08:49:56] JodiS | timmcgeary: account integration would be nice, but is beyond our aims :( [08:49:56] timmcgeary | understand that [08:49:56] ---| ---> calvinm_ [i=46a4190c@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-6c521d283e1106bd] has joined #code4lib [08:49:56] JodiS | royt calls us to order, precisely on time [08:49:56] ---| ---> dchud [i=46a4190c@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-8d2e6e8678390f0e] has joined #code4lib [08:49:56] ---| <<-- erikhatcher [n=erik@wsip-70-164-25-61.ri.ri.cox.net] has quit () [08:49:56] ---| ---> kat3 [i=46a4190c@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-42cdfc1f32f1c1ed] has joined #code4lib [08:49:56] kat3 | fine, i'll use mibbit [08:49:56] dchud | anarchivist: which server did you say again? [08:49:56] dchud | host i mean. er same thing [08:49:56] anarchivist | dchud: i'm card.freenode.net [08:49:56] anarchivist | dchud: there's something wonky with some of the freenode servers; they don't all accept the alt port [08:49:56] akorphan | think about all the ad revenue mibbit is getting. [08:49:56] timmcgeary | maybe on time, but I don't think we are ordered. :) [08:49:56] jbrinley | card.freenode.net didn't work for me [08:49:56] JodiS | @last from anarchivist [08:49:56] zoia | JodiS: (last [--{from,in,on,with,without,regexp} ] [--nolimit]) -- Returns the last message matching the given criteria. --from requires a nick from whom the message came; --in requires a channel the message was sent to; --on requires a network the message was sent on; --with requires some string that had to be in the message; --regexp requires a regular expression the message must match; --nolimit returns all the (1 more message) [08:49:56] MrDys | lieb [08:49:56] dchud | card. ok cool [08:49:56] zoia | New news from planetcode4lib: Chudnov, Dan: code4lib 2009 talk on caching and proxying linked data || Chudnov, Dan: Things Nobody Wants to Say, Part One [08:49:56] MrDys | MC Tennant [08:49:56] ---| Channel: JodiS changed the topic of #code4lib to: #c4l09 Today's schedule: http://code4lib.org/conference/2009/schedule [08:49:56] abarrera | knew him when he had royt diapers [08:49:56] anarchivist | from royt diapers roythong [08:49:56] anarchivist | s/diapers /diapers to [08:49:56] dchud | bah, not working. oh well. [08:49:59] ---| ---> jrochkind100 [i=46a4190c@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-91c870ec5c70d2c2] has joined #code4lib [08:50:19] timmcgeary | iPhone/iTouch info add to Conference Buzz wiki [08:51:24] anarchivist | teh internets should be free [08:51:28] jrochkind100 | other people are getting into irc from the conference net? [08:51:30] jrochkind100 | Not for me. [08:51:35] abarrera | i'm in [08:51:35] jrochkind100 | "400: Bad Request ( The data is invalid. )" Weird. [08:51:37] anarchivist | jrochkind100: i am [08:51:39] MrDys | workin for me [08:51:44] fak3r | ya, 8000 not open...time to whip out nmap [08:51:49] jrochkind100 | Weird. [08:51:49] ---| ---> wtd [n=chatzill@wsip-70-164-25-78.ri.ri.cox.net] has joined #code4lib [08:51:50] fak3r | iphone users? bah [08:52:02] kat3 | theyre the coolest [08:52:13] fak3r | first-timers ftw! [08:52:20] MrDys | fak3r: your distain, so rich and thick you could drizzle it on pancakes [08:52:23] JodiS | "To connect with the ibahn_conf wireless on iPhone or iTouch, you need to call the iBahn Conference Technical Support at 877-787-6266. It is best to have the main hotel phone # to reference: 401-919-5000. " [08:52:34] JodiS | thanks timmcgeary++ [08:52:39] timmcgeary | yw [08:52:48] fak3r | I'm #1! [08:52:50] wickr | oh that's what the #1 is [08:53:00] * lbjay rejects the clique-ish lable [08:53:05] abarrera | mine says --1 [08:53:19] ---| ---> mjg_ [i=46a4190c@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-8dda074941686f16] has joined #code4lib [08:53:28] ---| ---> smkiewel [i=46a41963@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-6f4272f549e1be08] has joined #code4lib [08:53:28] timmcgeary | is that half the room? [08:53:33] rjw | royt rock god! [08:53:37] jchphilly | More than. [08:54:05] ---| ---> abrin [n=adam@wsip-70-164-25-111.ri.ri.cox.net] has joined #code4lib [08:54:17] lbjay | mjg_: you're sitting pretty far forward today. isn't there a seat on the other side of that table? [08:54:40] mjg_ | lbjay++ [08:54:44] fak3r | mjg_ got one up here, 2nd table from the left, front row [08:54:45] anarchivist | my tummy does not like the breakfast this mrning [08:54:47] jrochkind100 | bah, I can connect to freenode, but then it tells me "400: Bad Request ( The data is invalid. )" and disconnects me. [08:54:53] ---| ---> dbs_ [n=dan@pdpc/supporter/active/dbs] has joined #code4lib [08:54:57] fak3r | anarchivist++ [08:54:57] mjg_ | thank goodness for mibbit. [08:54:58] ---| ---> eom [i=46a4190c@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-a42d8bb437db0aba] has joined #code4lib [08:55:09] fak3r | mjg_++ [08:55:13] kat3 | mjg_:yeees [08:55:14] jrochkind100 | i want photos of anarchivist drinking again [08:55:15] timmcgeary | clique-ish -- [08:55:27] anarchivist | jrochkind100: be prepared for pictures of my mansweat [08:55:30] MrDys | @sing new kids on the block : hangin tough [08:55:32] fak3r | "...another short little thing" hmmm... [08:55:33] zoia | MrDys: No lyrics for hangin tough by new kids on the block. Searched lyricwiki & lyricsty [08:55:35] * BillDueber just added basic info on ssh port forwarding to http://wiki.code4lib.org/index.php/Conference_Buzz [08:55:41] MrDys | zoia, stop disappointing me [08:55:42] zoia | MrDys: I don't mean to be a dick, but rtfm [08:55:47] ---| <<-- dbs [n=dan@pdpc/supporter/active/dbs] has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) [08:55:48] mjg_ | royt is less equal than all of us. [08:55:54] * akorphan is taking much to long to calculate a regression curve on the relationship between Mark Twain's charity and his impatience. [08:56:10] lbjay | BillDueber++ [08:56:13] mjg_ | royt is less equal than his mustache. [08:56:18] abarrera | royt++ [08:56:19] fak3r | mjg_: damn! [08:56:29] abarrera | he's the one with bacon on his neck [08:56:35] jbrinley | @karma mjg_ [08:56:35] zoia | jbrinley: Karma for "mjg_" has been increased 44 times and decreased 4 times for a total karma of 40. [08:56:37] ecorrado | mjg_:-- [08:56:38] BillDueber | @karma mjgiarlo [08:56:39] zoia | BillDueber: Karma for "mjgiarlo" has been increased 1159 times and decreased 107 times for a total karma of 1052. [08:56:41] jrochkind100 | way to fight cliquishness with in jokes. [08:56:49] abarrera | mjgiarlo-- [08:56:52] Baroquem | I like this font. [08:56:55] MrDys | anarchivist will explain it all in a minute [08:56:56] ecorrado | jrochkind100++ [08:56:58] ---| ---> rsinger [n=rsinger@wsip-70-164-25-73.ri.ri.cox.net] has joined #code4lib [08:57:00] ---| ---> paulalbert [n=paulalbe@wsip-70-164-25-36.ri.ri.cox.net] has joined #code4lib [08:57:06] fak3r | mjg_ rolls a 14 and strikes down a grue! [08:57:13] fak3r | font++ [08:57:15] eom | It seems to be the font selected by the logo designer! I like it too. [08:57:28] rsinger | http://foam.lib.muohio.edu/roy_thong.jpeg [08:57:33] fak3r | eom: new logo is great imo [08:57:36] jbrinley | font: Centabel Book [08:57:48] ---| ---> mib_l8fdwx5n [i=46a41974@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-47f31ff85233caf0] has joined #code4lib [08:57:50] ---| ---> mbklein [n=mbklein@216.236.252.231] has joined #code4lib [08:57:50] zoia | ALL RISE [08:57:51] mjg_ | I'm lobbying to get a shot of roy's thong in every single presentation. [08:57:51] MrDys | centabel...sounds like a champagne [08:57:58] BillDueber | code4lib needs a benevolent dictator [08:58:01] timmcgeary | rsinger++ [08:58:02] lbjay | we fall back on oligarchy [08:58:04] ---| User: *** mib_l8fdwx5n is now known as escowles [08:58:05] fak3r | mis-spelling noted [08:58:06] ecorrado | voting++ [08:58:07] jbrinley | mjg_++ [08:58:18] dchud | rsinger, diebold champion [08:58:20] anarchivist | "i don't vote, i'm an anarchist" [08:58:22] ---| User: *** dbs_ is now known as dbs [08:58:31] MrDys | @hosts 2010 [08:58:32] edsu | @hosts2010 [08:58:32] zoia | MrDys: maybe the batcat ate your baby [08:58:34] zoia | edsu: Asheville, NC [185]; Austin, TX [165]; Madison, WI [145]; Columbus, OH [104]; Bloomington, IN [76] [08:58:36] ---| ---> BigD [n=dfleming@dfleming-vpn.ucsd.edu] has joined #code4lib [08:58:41] lbjay | round_tables-- [08:58:43] fak3r | font download: http://www.urbanfonts.com/fonts/Centabel_Book.htm [08:58:47] mjg_ | ksclarke++ JodiS++ [08:58:54] fak3r | lbjay++ [08:58:55] anarchivist | anarchy in the code4libk [08:58:56] timmcgeary | Did Columbus lose votes from last year? [08:59:03] BigD | is this thing on? [08:59:03] BigD | ;) [08:59:04] mjg_ | royt++ # haha! [08:59:06] jbrinley | @hosts2009 [08:59:06] abarrera | @hosts2009 [08:59:07] zoia | jbrinley: Brown University/Providence, Rhode Island [269]; Columbus, OH [225]; Southeast Florida [176]; Bahía Blanca, Argentina [105] [08:59:08] dchud | this would be the annual moment when the code4lib.org site stops working [08:59:08] zoia | abarrera: Brown University/Providence, Rhode Island [269]; Columbus, OH [225]; Southeast Florida [176]; Bahía Blanca, Argentina [105] [08:59:15] anarchivist | @hosts2011 [08:59:16] zoia | anarchivist: Big Sandy, Wyoming [80]; Blueballs, Pennsylvania [79]; Cold Water, Mississippi [56]; Climax, North Carolina [16]; Hooker, Arkansas [13] [08:59:16] MrDys | @hosts2012 [08:59:18] zoia | MrDys: you might want to try the ghost whisperer - http://www.cyberglass.biz/customflash/ghostwhisperer/ [08:59:22] wickr | dchud: hush [08:59:29] rsinger | @dict sanctimony [08:59:29] fak3r | how much bandwidth can this network handle? [08:59:31] zoia | rsinger: wn, gcide, and moby-thes responded: wn: sanctimony n : the quality of being hypocritically devout [syn: {sanctimoniousness}]; gcide: Sanctimony \Sanc"ti*mo*ny\, n. [L. sanctimonia, fr. sanctus holy: cf. OF. sanctimonie. See {Saint}.] Holiness; devoutness; scrupulous austerity; sanctity; especially, outward or artificial saintliness; assumed or pretended holiness; hypocritical devoutness. [1913 Webster] Her (3 more messages) [08:59:32] * lbjay regrets not grabbing a 2nd croissant [08:59:41] akorphan | sanctimony-- [08:59:43] dchud | wickr: i had to say it, that way nothing will happen :) [08:59:50] JodiS | jbrinley++ #re: logo matchmaking [08:59:58] fak3r | blessed, and we had a prayer? [09:00:00] jbrinley | royt++ [09:00:00] abarrera | royt++ [09:00:00] kat3 | royt++ [09:00:01] edsu | hahaha [09:00:02] ---| ---> kgs [n=chatzill@wsip-70-164-25-117.ri.ri.cox.net] has joined #code4lib [09:00:04] mjg_ | pre-empt'd! [09:00:05] timmcgeary | royt++ [09:00:06] edsu | royt++ [09:00:11] dchud | attack them before they attack you! [09:00:15] ecorrado | royt++ [09:00:24] kat3 | we could get a group discount on thongs [09:00:32] anarchivist | bulk thong [09:00:36] fak3r | not funny-- [09:00:40] kgs | royt++ # the thong rules! [09:00:41] mjg_ | one thong enters, 250 people leave. [09:00:43] jbrinley | 2010 conference prizes [09:00:48] JodiS | royt++ [09:00:49] kat3 | mjg_: quickly [09:00:56] abarrera | the voting for columbus just took another hit [09:01:00] lbjay | yay, anarchivist++ [09:01:01] eom | after all, we all already have a ton of o'reilly books [09:01:04] rsinger | and, thus, my 20 minutes of fame are over [09:01:05] JodiS | @quote add one thong enters, 250 people leave. [09:01:06] zoia | JodiS: The operation succeeded. Quote #1717 added. [09:01:09] BigD | who's the club kid? [09:01:12] fak3r | dippy_duck url noted [09:01:15] rsinger | thanks everybody, i'm goin' back to TN [09:01:16] MrDys | BigD++ [09:01:27] JodiS | anarchivist++ [09:01:41] ecorrado | anagy++ [09:01:48] dchud | he's going to tell us we all need to go dancing isn't he [09:01:58] abarrera | or speed dating [09:01:59] fak3r | glassed look better on BigD - discuss. [09:02:07] jbrinley | @whoami [09:02:07] zoia | jbrinley: I don't recognize you. [09:02:07] lbjay | rule 1, look like that [09:02:16] BigD | blurry pic [09:02:25] rsinger | "Scared puppy" [09:02:26] lbjay | fierce! [09:02:27] rsinger | whatevs [09:02:28] jbrinley | @whoami [09:02:29] zoia | jbrinley: jbrinley [09:02:32] edsu | @ana fix shit at work [09:02:33] fak3r | he's squinting, that's why he got rid of those glasses [09:02:34] zoia | edsu: Fox rakish twit [09:02:34] dchud | aw such a cute little puppy he was [09:02:37] * BillDueber gets that a lot. [09:02:37] ---| ---> jtgorman [n=chatzill@libstfsys11.library.uiuc.edu] has joined #code4lib [09:02:38] zoia | Mortals! Tremble in fear, fer ye doom approaches! th' skies gunna burn, th' seven seas boil! He arr....oh, sorry thought it was someone else. 'tis just jtgorman. [09:02:41] BigD | that's not what he said to me [09:02:53] ---| <<-- mjg_ [i=46a4190c@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-8dda074941686f16] has quit ("http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client") [09:03:04] ---| ---> lxming [n=liux@132-174-199-77.ip.oclc.org] has joined #code4lib [09:03:05] ---| ---> g8tor [i=46a4190c@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-dde3db2b9445acf2] has joined #code4lib [09:03:10] rsinger | @ana a pioneer of the industry [09:03:11] zoia | rsinger: Fine honesty repudiator [09:03:16] mbklein | We're an egalitario-clique [09:03:17] BillDueber | zoia++ [09:03:20] ejk | @karma mibbit [09:03:21] ---| ---> rosy1280 [n=rosy1280@155.47.17.158] has joined #code4lib [09:03:21] zoia | ejk: Karma for "mibbit" has been increased 4 times and decreased 1 time for a total karma of 3. [09:03:21] akorphan | thrift_mtwain(t) = -20.55 ln(t) + 82.29 [09:03:22] fak3r | irc++ [09:03:28] mbklein | @ana we will miss you roy [09:03:30] zoia | mbklein: I, wisely lousy worm [09:03:31] ecorrado | big_words-- [09:03:33] BigD | http://twinkle.tapulous.com/index.php?hash=5e2b0b45608230043cef4fed02b25a798debeaee [09:03:34] * jtgorman needs to read the last two code4lib journals [09:03:34] ---| ---> mib_3lfzkcf2 [i=46a4190c@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-f9baca342d5bb73d] has joined #code4lib [09:03:37] lbjay | @ana socail capital [09:03:38] zoia | lbjay: Social capital [09:03:43] lbjay | hah [09:03:44] edsu | i thought this was the masons meeting... [09:03:45] lbjay | lbjay-- [09:03:46] fak3r | Sean ftw [09:03:48] ---| <--- mib_3lfzkcf2 [i=46a4190c@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-f9baca342d5bb73d] has left #code4lib () [09:03:49] BigD | bacon! [09:03:52] timmcgeary | donuts++ [09:03:53] JodiS | edsu++ [09:03:53] kat3 | bacon maple log++ [09:03:53] wickr | what a motley crue [09:03:53] zoia | wickr: turn it up! [09:03:56] dchud | something "d" "o" "o" donuts [09:03:59] mpark | BigD++ [09:04:00] lbjay | BigD! [09:04:02] abarrera | bacon++ [09:04:03] ecorrado | bacon++ [09:04:03] timmcgeary | bacon++ [09:04:03] jbrinley | bacon++ [09:04:07] ejk | bacon++ [09:04:08] BillDueber | @karma bacon [09:04:08] mbklein | bacon++ [09:04:09] zoia | BillDueber: Karma for "bacon" has been increased 27 times and decreased 2 times for a total karma of 25. [09:04:10] ---| ---> mib_3lfzkcf2 [i=46a4190c@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-f9baca342d5bb73d] has joined #code4lib [09:04:14] ---| ---> reeset [n=chatzill@128-193-147-211.oregonstate.edu] has joined #code4lib [09:04:14] abrin | bacon-- [09:04:15] fak3r | how do you use teh IRC chan? [09:04:17] JodiS | @quote add bacon is very, very central to our community [09:04:18] zoia | JodiS: The operation succeeded. Quote #1718 added. [09:04:20] jrochkind100 | no you can't. [09:04:24] ---| <--- mib_3lfzkcf2 [i=46a4190c@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-f9baca342d5bb73d] has left #code4lib () [09:04:30] fak3r | mibbit props [09:04:36] dchud | you all can have my bacon [09:04:37] * jbrinley was fine connecting until this morning [09:04:39] timmcgeary | i want to use IRC through Pidgin, but I haven't gotten it to work [09:04:39] ecorrado | #beer++ [09:04:45] timmcgeary | beer++ [09:04:49] kat3 | kittens++ [09:04:49] BillDueber | does it give away free booze??? [09:04:50] fak3r | forget kittens, I want catz [09:04:53] mouwd | kittens++ [09:04:53] MrDys | meta_slides++ [09:04:58] ecorrado | meow [09:05:04] mbklein | Am I the only one who had to connect to IRC via ssh tunnel? I get a weird HTML-looking response when I try to connect on 6667 or 8000 [09:05:08] kgs | that was even "my" kitten! [09:05:11] * jbrinley wants a slide with a picture from earlier in this presentation [09:05:11] g8tor | anybody @ the code4lib conf want to talk about using Zope3/Grok or Plone? [09:05:12] fak3r | party pic [09:05:21] abarrera | kgs: demand royalties [09:05:22] ---| ---> khatar [n=marc@phear.org] has joined #code4lib [09:05:23] fak3r | librarian's gone wild [09:05:26] jbrinley | mbklein: using mibbit now, didn't have a problem with ports yesterday [09:05:26] mbklein | What Mark's not saying is that he killed that kitten with his bare hands [09:05:27] JodiS | g8tor: yes, let's talk about zope and plone! [09:05:28] khatar | hello world [09:05:32] BillDueber | mbklein: I'm also under ssh tunnel. Hotel is blocking high ports (e.g., talk.google.com as well) [09:05:33] ---| <<-- iand [n=iand@wsip-70-164-25-89.ri.ri.cox.net] has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) [09:05:38] jrochkind100 | mbklein No, me too. [09:05:38] dchud | chesthairml-2.0 is going to be *awesome* [09:05:42] JodiS | g8tor: either a breakout session, if there's interest, or over lunch or something [09:05:52] mbklein | We should set up one tunnel and let everyone use it. :) [09:05:53] ---| <<-- jbrinley [i=46a4190c@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-6702b34341ae693c] has quit ("http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client") [09:05:57] JodiS | mbklein++ [09:05:58] ---| ---> beckophonic [i=46a4190c@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-d2478f952a7c1839] has joined #code4lib [09:06:03] akorphan | jrochkind: yes, but what does it do? [09:06:05] akorphan | oh wait, that's RDF. [09:06:14] rosy1280 | got in to gchat and irc no problem...maybe try again? [09:06:14] kat3 | hey, my picture! [09:06:16] fak3r | mbklein: I can tunnel to my server over ssh [09:06:24] ---| <<-- anarchivist [n=anarchiv@unaffiliated/anarchivist] has quit () [09:06:25] ecorrado | kat3++ [09:06:27] ---| ---> jbrinley [i=46a4190c@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-878ad53ebba24011] has joined #code4lib [09:06:34] g8tor | JodiS: I replyed to you on the code4lib site but it just hasn't posted yet [09:06:34] ---| ---> ksdrake [i=46a4190c@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-0b5b2281ece265b3] has joined #code4lib [09:06:35] ---| ---> asnagy [i=46a4190c@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-5ff82221c985e5a9] has joined #code4lib [09:06:36] jrochkind100 | I have tried many times, sadly. [09:06:42] fak3r | don't sit here, don't sit here... [09:06:49] dchud | i heard a disturbing sound! [09:06:55] BillDueber | "When I woke up this morning, I heard a distubring sound!" [09:06:57] BillDueber | dchud++ [09:07:03] ejk | I can attest to the booze angle, had fun last night at the brewery [09:07:03] g8tor | JodiS:where are you sitting? [09:07:04] dchud | :) [09:07:05] fak3r | dchud++ [09:07:10] akorphan | @karma kittens [09:07:10] zoia | akorphan: Karma for "kittens" has been increased 5 times and decreased 0 times for a total karma of 5. [09:07:13] ---| ---> mib_3lfzkcf2 [i=46a4190c@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-f9baca342d5bb73d] has joined #code4lib [09:07:14] ---| <<-- kevin7kal [n=kevin7ka@cbl171004.sce.ceinetworks.com] has quit () [09:07:15] timmcgeary | good brewery? [09:07:16] fak3r | ejk: good beer, slow food [09:07:20] abarrera | kittens-- [09:07:28] fak3r | timmcgeary: decent, go with the porter [09:07:34] timmcgeary | slow food -- [09:07:35] rsinger | spellcheck-- [09:07:37] ---| ---> Kerwick [i=46a4190c@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-9dcbac580220874f] has joined #code4lib [09:07:39] ecorrado | abarrera: kittens are yummy [09:07:41] ---| ---> anarchivist [n=anarchiv@wsip-70-164-25-84.ri.ri.cox.net] has joined #code4lib [09:07:41] JodiS | g8tor: right hand side of room, from back enterance [09:07:41] rsinger | first slide, really? [09:07:43] ejk | company > beer >>> food [09:07:44] ecorrado | kitten_bacon++ [09:07:48] dchud | bookless? BOOKLESS? [09:07:51] JodiS | a comedy in 3 acts? [09:07:54] dchud | this should be interesting [09:07:55] kgs | union station was nice -- low-key and fabu macncheese [09:07:56] ---| ---> dhanu [i=46a41939@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-a092caf341ce6467] has joined #code4lib [09:07:56] JodiS | dchud: paper bookless? [09:07:58] fak3r | first slide? a big dark to be honest. [09:08:00] BillDueber | ecorrado: Ummmmm. Smoked kitten. Yummmy. [09:08:01] ---| <--- mib_3lfzkcf2 [i=46a4190c@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-f9baca342d5bb73d] has left #code4lib () [09:08:01] ---| ---> cfitz [n=chatzill@wsip-70-164-25-82.ri.ri.cox.net] has joined #code4lib [09:08:04] ---| <--- beckophonic [i=46a4190c@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-d2478f952a7c1839] has left #code4lib () [09:08:06] fak3r | I'd like to hit Union station [09:08:06] * JodiS keeps hearing about macncheese [09:08:13] * JodiS reports BillDueber to buffy [09:08:22] ---| ---> ksclarke [i=46a4190c@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-6393c6b4f851a4ed] has joined #code4lib [09:08:24] akorphan | macncheese++ [09:08:26] dchud | hey maybe we can take the house lights down 20% [09:08:26] ---| ---> mib_n1k5i8s3 [i=46a41956@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-e0e75fa032dfc9d0] has joined #code4lib [09:08:27] ---| ---> jstroop [i=46a4190c@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-58070c6f080cc2f8] has joined #code4lib [09:08:36] rsinger | that'd be helpful [09:08:36] rjw | union station ribs were challenging [09:08:38] fak3r | I keep seeing that as 'mancheese' and it's bothering me [09:08:41] timmcgeary | lights down, yes [09:08:47] g8tor | JodiS: I am @ the second table from the front on the left with the black hat [09:08:49] rsinger | my slides are going to be invisible at this light level [09:08:49] ---| ---> ccurry [i=46a4190c@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-842eec1b38201f83] has joined #code4lib [09:08:50] ---| User: *** ksclarke is now known as Guest66662 [09:08:50] akorphan | Red Stripe has good mac n cheese [09:08:53] mib_6d4dxbev | agree... house lights down 20% is good [09:08:54] rsinger | LIKE MAGIC [09:08:54] dchud | nice! [09:08:55] rsinger | oh [09:08:56] abarrera | mjgiarlo: you still have your johnny rockets bacon [09:08:57] rosy1280 | boo [09:08:58] dchud | no back the other way! [09:08:59] khatar | is mike rylander here ? [09:08:59] fak3r | down pls [09:09:00] dchud | yes! [09:09:01] rosy1280 | yay [09:09:03] anarchivist | @hussein mancheese [09:09:03] fak3r | ahhh [09:09:04] zoia | anarchivist: Humane cheesiness [09:09:09] ---| User: *** Guest66662 is now known as ksclarke_web [09:09:11] escowles | house_lights-- [09:09:11] ---| ---> mib_vrb8js [i=46a4190c@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-4e6133107bd475b4] has joined #code4lib [09:09:11] mib_6d4dxbev | nice [09:09:15] kgs | miker_ is indeed here! I seen him with my own eyes [09:09:17] jbrinley | that's pretty good there [09:09:18] * BillDueber needs more screen real estate badly. [09:09:20] dchud | hey maybe we could get a spinach feta omelet up here in the front [09:09:31] lbjay | khatar: that would be miker_ [09:09:31] akorphan | Can we hack zoia to adjust the light level based on its karma? [09:09:32] BigD | man, even less light in here? i can't take ma pitures [09:09:39] ---| User: *** mib_vrb8js is now known as cbeer [09:09:40] dchud | sorry BigD [09:09:43] fak3r | bah, just ship it [09:09:43] ---| ---> mib_56ty03zh [i=46a4190c@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-995584a93a34f9eb] has joined #code4lib [09:09:49] rsinger | hey, erikhatcher, can you leave stefano a couple minutes to talk? [09:09:52] kgs | oh oh... I fear for the last preso of the day if the room stays this dark ;) [09:09:54] kat3 | BigD: we'll be flashing like paparazzi [09:10:00] ---| ---> endupok [i=46a4190c@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-d030b254e28b1d68] has joined #code4lib [09:10:00] ---| ---> cordmata [i=46a4190c@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-1ca96b648849df02] has joined #code4lib [09:10:06] ---| ---> ethomsen [i=46a4190c@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-4c922160f0bdb49b] has joined #code4lib [09:10:08] rjw | any body got a follow-spot we can use [09:10:10] dchud | look out, BigD has a speedlight! [09:10:17] ---| <--- ccurry [i=46a4190c@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-842eec1b38201f83] has left #code4lib () [09:10:17] timmcgeary | darkness -- [09:10:19] lbjay | keynoters_in_ripped_jeans+- [09:10:25] khatar | thx guies [09:10:27] akorphan | Apparently it's only *approximately* Stefano. [09:10:27] * fak3r wishes he would have brought his laser pointer [09:10:30] rosy1280 | no i can see stefano [09:10:30] JodiS | nice way to pull in the intro! :) [09:10:32] dchud | ok the lights are good leave 'em where they are! [09:10:39] khatar | miker_, i have to talk to you [09:10:44] ---| ---> ccurry [i=46a4190c@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-32742e8dd198aa83] has joined #code4lib [09:10:55] ---| ---> Cliffw [i=46a4190c@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-1cd9a846b1e338d7] has joined #code4lib [09:10:56] * jtgorman wonders if he should even be in channel today... [09:11:09] fak3r | how now brown cow? [09:11:18] fak3r | jtgorman: yes, we need you here [09:11:19] kgs | left projector needs tweaking for contrast [09:11:22] dchud | edsu, mjgialo: NOOOOOOOOOO! [09:11:22] khatar | (and i'm in the room ) [09:11:27] dchud | that was mjgiarlo [09:11:28] fak3r | kgs++ [09:11:29] MrDys | lbjay: what kind of pro shop do you think we're running here [09:11:33] ---| ---> erikhatcher [n=erik@wsip-70-164-25-61.ri.ri.cox.net] has joined #code4lib [09:11:35] kgs | could be a dying bulb [09:11:36] lbjay | up to 89 nicks [09:11:37] BigD | i hate using my flash [09:11:45] anarchivist | MrDys++ [09:11:52] abarrera | BigD: please don't flash anyone [09:11:58] anarchivist | BigD: don't flash me [09:12:01] ecorrado | it is mardi gras [09:12:02] anarchivist | abarrera++ [09:12:04] ---| <<-- jstroop [i=46a4190c@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-58070c6f080cc2f8] has quit (Client Quit) [09:12:09] dchud | abarrera++ [09:12:10] ---| ---> jstroop [i=46a4190c@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-cc9f7d5886cb3730] has joined #code4lib [09:12:14] akorphan | beads++ [09:12:15] rsinger | ecorrado++ [09:12:22] ---| ---> jstirnaman [i=46a4190c@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-070882ded6327dd2] has joined #code4lib [09:12:24] kgs | Lent... catch the fever [09:12:38] fak3r | kgs++ [09:12:39] BigD | it's lent? [09:12:40] timmcgeary | fastnacht day [09:12:44] kat3 | i'm out of beads [09:12:45] timmcgeary | tomorrow is lent [09:12:47] kat3 | sorry [09:12:47] rsinger | BigD: tommorrow [09:12:49] BigD | let me know when you get it back! har har [09:12:51] BillDueber | BigD: Ash wednesday is tomorrow. [09:12:53] kat3 | tomorrow is Ash Wednesday [09:12:56] * ecorrado gives up not drinking beer for lent [09:12:56] ---| <<-- mib_n1k5i8s3 [i=46a41956@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-e0e75fa032dfc9d0] has quit (Client Quit) [09:12:56] ---| <<-- jbrinley [i=46a4190c@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-878ad53ebba24011] has quit ("http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client") [09:12:57] timmcgeary | today is fastnacht day [09:12:58] JodiS | wow, bringing information theory and Info sci together. :) [09:13:02] timmcgeary | aka donut day [09:13:03] anarchivist | paczki++ [09:13:10] * BillDueber gives up Christianity for Lent. [09:13:15] JodiS | ecorrado: not drinking beer? you got a problem with that? [09:13:20] dchud | JodiS: it's tuesday :) [09:13:21] fak3r | is this still the first act? [09:13:26] kgs | hmmm... if the guy in front of me would take off his head I could tilt the camera toward the other slides [09:13:31] ---| ---> kevinreiss [i=46a4190c@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-801d302900f67991] has joined #code4lib [09:13:32] JodiS | yes: history [09:13:43] ecorrado | JodiS: I'm giving up not drinking ,which means i need to drink more [09:13:46] BigD | off with his head! [09:13:49] dchud | kgs: i think gsf has a python library for that [09:13:56] ---| <<-- mib_56ty03zh [i=46a4190c@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-995584a93a34f9eb] has quit (Client Quit) [09:13:56] ---| <<-- g8tor [i=46a4190c@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-dde3db2b9445acf2] has quit ("http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client") [09:14:07] anarchivist | import antigravity [09:14:08] ---| ---> jbrinley [i=46a4190c@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-217d209029c67aca] has joined #code4lib [09:14:10] JodiS | cave portability [09:14:15] edsu | cave.py [09:14:21] fak3r | JodiS: might be the answer [09:14:22] JodiS | error: library not found [09:14:31] fak3r | mv cave /tmp [09:14:32] akorphan | Whoa, mind reaidng. [09:14:33] ---| <<-- jstroop [i=46a4190c@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-cc9f7d5886cb3730] has quit (Client Quit) [09:14:34] ecorrado | cavexml [09:14:36] rsinger | spelunkr [09:14:37] kgs | srsly it would be good to get AV to check that bulb over the break because those are the slides that will be synced to the speaker [09:14:38] mpark | cave writings parser [09:14:42] * JodiS still needs to look at Smith's clay tablets [09:14:49] ---| ---> g8tor [i=46a4190c@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-cce396a9a6b1b09f] has joined #code4lib [09:14:52] ---| ---> chickmarkley [i=46a4190c@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-98a958f9f252e80f] has joined #code4lib [09:14:52] fak3r | cave drawing ocr? [09:14:54] rosy1280 | parchment! [09:14:54] kat3 | glue is awesome [09:14:55] jtgorman | reminds me of one of my more pointless possible research project.... [09:14:56] JodiS | kgs: will you follow up on that. sounds impt! [09:14:57] akorphan | Not as heavy as caves! [09:15:09] jtgorman | using the CAVE to create a 3-d catalog interface [09:15:12] kgs | it's readable but not so good [09:15:14] ejk | spoiler: printing press [09:15:14] edsu | less persistent [09:15:23] paulalbert | fiber: better for wiping than clay tablets [09:15:27] BigD | ejk dammit! [09:15:31] ---| ---> ejlynema [i=46a4190c@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-0207699883fa79b4] has joined #code4lib [09:15:32] timmcgeary | ejk-- [09:15:34] JodiS | I really like the attention to affordances [09:15:36] ejk | damn [09:15:37] anarchivist | u can't multitouch this [09:15:48] fak3r | ejk++ [09:15:48] fak3r | only cost about a dollar? [09:15:54] kgs | JodiS want to -- is Jean watching a bb or something? [09:15:56] fak3r | anarchivist++ [09:16:03] BigD | i'd buy that for a dollar [09:16:19] JodiS | no, but I see her [09:16:29] mib_6d4dxbev | spoiler alert: internets!!! [09:16:32] kgs | what's her 20? [09:16:38] * jtgorman can't find a good url about the Beckman cave and has better things to do [09:16:43] JodiS | kgs: slides on which side? or which bulb? [09:16:52] timmcgeary | damn spoilers [09:16:55] fak3r | mib_6d4dxbev: it's pronounced 'teh internets' [09:16:59] ---| <--- ccurry [i=46a4190c@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-32742e8dd198aa83] has left #code4lib () [09:17:12] ---| ---> cdc [i=46a4190c@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-584d473bd67b8832] has joined #code4lib [09:17:15] fak3r | hmm...chicken curry [09:17:16] ---| ---> jstroop [i=46a4190c@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-d1cf43aff1602c1e] has joined #code4lib [09:17:17] ---| ---> fereira [i=HydraIRC@wsip-70-164-25-35.ri.ri.cox.net] has joined #code4lib [09:17:20] ---| ---> scolford [i=46a4190c@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-ee1d28a747780337] has joined #code4lib [09:17:21] ejk | @karma ejk [09:17:22] kgs | JodiS LJ projector -- definitely fainter than rh [09:17:22] zoia | ejk: Karma for "ejk" has been increased 1 time and decreased 1 time for a total karma of 0. [09:17:22] BigD | mib_6d4dxbev: try the /nick command? [09:17:23] JodiS | kgs: door on the rhs from the back enterence [09:17:29] ---| ---> caroldotou_c [i=46a4190c@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-f138e162acace6b8] has joined #code4lib [09:17:33] timmcgeary | skipping through millenia [09:17:43] JodiS | kgs: LJ? [09:17:44] zoia | New news from planetcode4lib: Layton, Warren: Why netbooks are killing Microsoft [09:17:45] fak3r | I can see my website from here [09:17:46] akorphan | broadcast-- [09:18:01] kgs | s/LJ/LH [09:18:10] dchud | i never bought that claim [09:18:21] dchud | power is the unmentioned cost here [09:18:23] ---| ---> mib_nch3tkl0 [i=46a41956@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-77f95c28d8bbee40] has joined #code4lib [09:18:28] rsinger | dchud: agreed [09:18:33] BigD | and it's evil sister, cooling [09:18:35] ecorrado | dchud: yep... digital preservation is expensive [09:18:35] rsinger | dchud: maintenance, too [09:18:38] BigD | its [09:18:38] JodiS | kgs: ok, will transmit [09:18:50] kgs | JodiS++ [09:18:52] chickmarkley | http://www.alphabetvsgoddess.com/ [09:18:53] BigD | oh yeah, and the support staff - that'd be US [09:18:56] ---| ---> bess [i=46a4190c@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-72024b7c49c498a4] has joined #code4lib [09:19:01] ---| ---> mib_wnb20jqr [i=46a4190c@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-d09c11c560c662e5] has joined #code4lib [09:19:01] akorphan | films_stored_in_salt_mines++ [09:19:14] mib_6d4dxbev | back to the future? [09:19:20] anarchivist | archives want to be dark! [09:19:29] khatar | netbook don't kill ms at all ... it just make linux grow [09:19:40] fak3r | khatar++ [09:19:54] fak3r | twitter? ya, follow me if you'd like [09:20:00] dchud | i bet "power" appears on this slide [09:20:03] fak3r | eating [09:20:12] * anarchivist starts tweeting uncontrollably [09:20:14] BigD | dchud: how much? [09:20:26] ---| <<-- mpark [n=mpark@128.148.216.27] has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) [09:20:28] jtgorman | khatar: and Windows is already gaining a pretty impressive share of the netbooks, considering that there seemed to have been resistance on Microsoft part [09:20:29] BigD | we could start a whole slide prediction economy [09:20:33] jbrinley | designers++ [09:20:53] dchud | BigD: i'm already on it. but you could have bet that. [09:20:54] abarrera | he's going to use every power related word, but power [09:20:58] fak3r | I thought that was a new rule [09:21:01] dchud | does that count? [09:21:06] ---| ---> mpark [n=mpark@128.148.216.27] has joined #code4lib [09:21:14] anarchivist | BigD: i'm taking wagers on how many of my slides use your photos as background images for my afternoon talk [09:21:31] BigD | anarchivist: cool! use all you want! [09:21:37] kat3 | it's very true, interfaces from 3-5 years ago are laughable already [09:21:37] akorphan | Next year, I'm distributing bingo cards. [09:21:37] fak3r | 20 yrs ago? how old does he think I am? [09:21:44] ---| ---> erikstattin [i=46a4190c@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-58a681df05186337] has joined #code4lib [09:21:44] khatar | jtgorman, yep. I think that ms will keep his part of the market anywher [09:21:47] fak3r | I'm laughing right now [09:21:50] ---| ---> cschx [i=46a4190c@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-2d43f201f683023d] has joined #code4lib [09:21:51] khatar | even in game console [09:21:53] rsinger | my iphone experience last night, looking up steve perry's solo work, wasn't exactly revolutionary [09:22:06] timmcgeary | keynote bingo [09:22:07] fak3r | oh, shari? [09:22:10] * ejk is digging the background pitter-patter of keyboards clicking [09:22:14] MrDys | rsinger: some would even call it "sad" [09:22:18] anarchivist | rsinger: your problem is you need a business smartphone like a blackberry [09:22:22] rsinger | fak3r: "foolish heart" [09:22:22] BigD | HOLD ON... HOLD ON!!! [09:22:28] khatar | but i think diversity and choice is good: MS concurrence is still a good motor for OSS productivity [09:22:32] fak3r | rsinger: sweet [09:22:42] rsinger | edsu: speaking of -- you owe a beer [09:22:48] BigD | dammit, get steve perry out of my head [09:22:53] fak3r | khatar: I agree, MS isn't going away, but Mac/Lin will keep moving up [09:22:54] * BigD hums some REO [09:23:07] edsu | i want the cave [09:23:08] gsf | only if the book is really pretty [09:23:13] BillDueber | BigD just went from bad to worse. [09:23:15] ---| ---> epoz [i=46a41928@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-e32a5ef1fa4951e7] has joined #code4lib [09:23:15] fak3r | BigD: you can tune a piano... [09:23:26] BigD | aw yeah [09:23:28] dchud | ...oh sherry... [09:23:28] MrDys | fak3r: worst album title ever [09:23:31] jbrinley | fak3r: not all pianos [09:23:31] fak3r | Steve Perry solo work < REO [09:23:42] anarchivist | BigD is the john goodman of the library tech world [09:23:50] escowles | 100 yrs? it looks awful today [09:23:53] fak3r | anarchivist++ [09:23:54] * jtgorman keeps being tempted to get on Verizon's unlimited data plan, but is awfully cheap [09:23:55] khatar | yep ... and this will force ms to interoperability so we will really have the choice of our softwares [09:24:04] BigD | anarchivist: and you're my Roseanne [09:24:04] anarchivist | thank gsf for that one [09:24:04] dchud | anarchivist: don't make me start quoting barton fink again. 'cuz you know i will. [09:24:08] jbrinley | escowles: yes, awful today, but better than anything else [09:24:09] rsinger | jtgorman: me too [09:24:09] abarrera | anarchivist++ #cept he ate John Goodman [09:24:10] fak3r | quiet you! [09:24:14] timmcgeary | yelling from the room -- [09:24:19] rsinger | dchud: BECAUSE YOU DON'T [09:24:21] dchud | yelling++ [09:24:23] rsinger | dchud: FUCKING [09:24:26] rsinger | dchud: LISTEN [09:24:27] jtgorman | hopefully my next "phone" will have wireless access [09:24:33] dchud | haw haw! [09:24:45] fak3r | go museums! [09:24:50] fak3r | food4lib? [09:24:57] khatar | anarchivist was the speaker of the "have fun @ code4lib", right ? [09:24:58] ---| ---> mikeybe [i=46a4190c@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-0a00e50ee5e8bc68] has joined #code4lib [09:25:06] jtgorman | I keep thinking "I could look up anything anywhere!"....or I could wait till we get home [09:25:19] jtgorman | although Colleen did get it as an experiment and occasionally I borrow her phone [09:25:26] * anarchivist looks around the room nervously [09:25:28] BigD | abarrera: is my and goodman's turducken [09:25:33] JodiS | BigD: nice: "slide prediction economy" [09:25:42] edsu | lockss [09:25:44] * jtgorman needs to figure out if there's a good browser for her phone cause the built in "web search" on Verizon phones stinks [09:25:44] khatar | anarchivist? where you ? [09:25:46] ejk | BigD: do you roll on shabbas? [09:25:54] ---| ---> kevin7kal [n=kevin7ka@300bd-210.tlt.psu.edu] has joined #code4lib [09:25:56] akorphan | edsu: lockss is fundamentally a museum model, though [09:25:57] anarchivist | khatar: towards the front of the room [09:26:03] fak3r | vinyl++ [09:26:03] gsf | vinyl++ [09:26:03] akorphan | "lots of backups keeps stuff safe" [09:26:04] rsinger | akorphan: no it's not [09:26:05] ---| ---> harmless [i=46a4190c@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-d99d2b10d3049ec8] has joined #code4lib [09:26:12] rjw | vinyl LPs++ [09:26:17] gsf | fanatics++ [09:26:18] fak3r | fanatics? pleeeze [09:26:22] edsu | akorphan: huh, museums are alla about unique objects, not copies [09:26:22] kat3 | bibliophiles++ [09:26:23] lbjay | @rate museums libraries [09:26:26] rsinger | vinyl_LPs-- [09:26:26] khatar | anarchivist, sorry s/h// [09:26:28] zoia | lbjay: museums: 9.8; libraries: 9.9. libraries rocks! [09:26:29] JodiS | dchud: get rid of "physical non-unique copies" seems exactly contrary to "distribute lots of copies, keep your dependencies" (fro myour yesterday) [09:26:31] edsu | akorphan: no? [09:26:33] dchud | "books will go away" is kind of a cheap shot, i hope/expect he'll pull out something a little better. and talk about metaweb. [09:26:39] akorphan | edusu: I really mean in terms of the "preservation" sense. [09:26:40] * anarchivist will be presiding over a turntablism breakout session later [09:26:50] scolford | dchud++ [09:26:51] fak3r | forking mentioned [09:26:51] edsu | akorphan: libraries don't care about preservation? [09:26:52] abarrera | jstroop: u there? [09:26:55] khatar | were you the guy of the funny talk ? [09:27:01] BigD | http://flickr.com/photos/bigdpix/2743474142/ [09:27:03] khatar | ok [09:27:03] dchud | the reason we have lots of non-unique copies is because those items are *popular* and we needed lots of copies [09:27:05] akorphan | and the "pretty things we don't touch" (unless there's some kind of e-crisis) sense. [09:27:05] khatar | anarchivist, ++ [09:27:24] scolford | "server cloud" -- if your library has a credit card [09:27:26] bess | umm... he knows this is CODE 4lib, right? This is reminding me of mid-1990s "the book is dead" hysteria [09:27:27] dchud | and we've been making cooperative buying/sharing/loan agreements for 300+ years [09:27:28] fak3r | less shelves, more racks [09:27:37] rsinger | @band add The Karma in the Margins [09:27:38] zoia | rsinger: Band 'The Karma in the Margins' added to list [09:27:43] JodiS | I was right with him, through the history piece [09:27:45] Kerwick | Books are dead?!??! [09:27:47] gsf | @quote add < khatar> were you the guy of the funny talk ? [09:27:47] zoia | gsf: The operation succeeded. Quote #1719 added. [09:27:53] JodiS | (what act is this?) [09:27:59] ejk | II [09:28:00] fak3r | JodiS: II [09:28:00] ---| <<-- mib_6d4dxbev [i=46a4190c@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-67b6eb6203ee6349] has quit ("http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client") [09:28:11] JodiS | BigD: awesome photo of you! [09:28:11] cschx | yawns [09:28:14] zoia | cschx: WAKE UP! [09:28:15] BillDueber | JodiS: Act of the apostles [09:28:20] gsf | khatar++ [09:28:21] fak3r | "latecomers will be seated at the discretion of the management" [09:28:24] Kerwick | Is Act III like Hamlet's? [09:28:30] ---| ---> skoczko [i=46a4190c@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-4f5ef905f8c4680c] has joined #code4lib [09:28:34] jbrinley | the world will have more info by that point [09:28:34] BillDueber | 'Cause, you know, Moore's Law isn't ever going to slow down or anything. [09:28:40] JodiS | filtering is how we know what we want to read [09:28:41] bess | uh, no, in fact the world will never "literally" fit in your pocket. [09:28:44] timmcgeary | is that the whole world in your pocket or are you just happy to see me? [09:28:45] BillDueber | "every data"??? [09:28:58] escowles | every datum [09:29:03] mbklein | bess: Parachute pants notwithstanding [09:29:10] akorphan | I think Moore's Law Is Dead hysteria is about as frequent as The Book Is Dead hysteria [09:29:11] scolford | I would like to filter faulty or dangerous medical or financial information. Wouldn't you? [09:29:16] BigD | JodiS: oddly, that's actually John Goodman [09:29:23] fak3r | QUIET! [09:29:27] rosy1280 | metadata doesn't exist [09:29:31] rosy1280 | its just data [09:29:46] rsinger | zoia: you have anything to say about this? [09:29:46] * anarchivist loves metadata [09:29:48] zoia | rsinger: Well, fry my feet for a couple of garfish, why don't you? [09:29:49] kat3 | i'll be talking with an electronic voicebox by then, but yes i could [09:29:49] fak3r | when is going to mention something about the cloud? [09:29:57] edsu | @stock GOOG [09:29:59] BigD | anarchivist should marry metadata [09:30:00] zoia | edsu: An error has occurred and has been logged. Please contact this bot's administrator for more information. [09:30:02] skoczko | loving metadata [09:30:04] khatar | lightning talk proposal: "write concise and readable perl code" [09:30:07] rsinger | edsu: OH NOES [09:30:08] edsu | &sigh; [09:30:08] kgs | iVia was already doing credible metadata and abstracting five years ago [09:30:09] khatar | interesting ? [09:30:15] * jtgorman is guessing the keynote is striking dissonance tones [09:30:16] JodiS | kgs: what's iVia? [09:30:26] edsu | rosy1280++ [09:30:26] dchud | kat3: great now i've got peter frampton on my brain [09:30:27] mbklein | @foaf kgs interest [09:30:28] zoia | mbklein: kgs : http://dbpedia.org/resource/Writing, http://dbpedia.org/resource/Beer, http://dbpedia.org/Open_source_software, http://dbpedia.org/resource/Food, http://dbpedia.org/resource/Brewing, http://dbpedia.org/resource/Politics [09:30:36] khatar | (frommy own experience with librarian code) [09:30:39] JodiS | jtgorman: world of books in your pocket, book museums, getting rid of metadata--rely on full-text [09:30:41] BigD | in 50 years, we'll be inside the computers [09:30:42] kgs | JodiS it's portal software develped by Steve Mitchell et al at UC Riverside [09:30:46] jbrinley | mbklein++ [09:30:47] skoczko | Hi gus is any one using git as their dvcs? [09:30:48] anarchivist | @foaf anarchivist interest [09:30:51] zoia | i think there is a xslt crosswalk for that [09:30:53] zoia | anarchivist: anarchivist : http://dbpedia.org/resource/Mod_revival, http://dbpedia.org/resource/C86_%28music%29, http://dbpedia.org/resource/Python_%28programming_language%29, http://dbpedia.org/resource/Archival_science, http://dbpedia.org/resource/Metadata, http://dbpedia.org/resource/Beer, http://dbpedia.org/resource/Mod_%28lifestyle%29, http://dbpedia.org/resource/Digital_curation, (1 more message) [09:30:57] gsf | attack books all you want, but leave metadata alone [09:31:06] abarrera | BigD: i think they got rid of the room sized comps that would fit you [09:31:07] zoia | take my metadata, please? [09:31:09] wtd | skoczko: I use it a bit. [09:31:12] epoz | tis a bad sine that I find the IRC more interesting than the keynote. :-( [09:31:12] dchud | skoczko: i'm a bit bzr fan. git doesn't fit my brain very well. [09:31:16] kat3 | gsf++ [09:31:21] dchud | s/bit/big/ [09:31:22] mbklein | jbrinley: :) [09:31:22] mbklein | @knows mbklein anarchivist [09:31:22] JodiS | kgs: cool, found it [09:31:23] anarchivist | I ONLY AM INTERESTED IN REALIA [09:31:25] zoia | mbklein: mbklein knows anarchivist, but anarchivist does not know mbklein. [09:31:28] fak3r | epoz++ [09:31:29] skoczko | cause I plan do the a ltalk on git [09:31:29] JodiS | http://ivia.ucr.edu/index.shtml [09:31:30] fak3r | git++ [09:31:42] BillDueber | skoczko++ # do it [09:31:42] ---| ---> mib_60fv6b [i=46a4190c@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-ad2088561d72b4ff] has joined #code4lib [09:31:43] ---| ---> jfereira [i=46a41923@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-ef7eb97885f60107] has joined #code4lib [09:31:43] * anarchivist is too much of a git t use git [09:31:44] skoczko | we use quite succesfulyy in our company [09:31:47] bess | shoczko: yes, please doa talk on git [09:31:48] anarchivist | s/t/to [09:31:53] ---| <<-- fereira [i=HydraIRC@wsip-70-164-25-35.ri.ri.cox.net] has quit (" Like VS.net's GUI? Then try HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <-") [09:31:53] kgs | yeah it's a profoundly interesting project [09:31:55] jrochkind100 | pretty sure [09:31:56] jbrinley | @foaf jbrinley depiction [09:31:57] BillDueber | @sing Monkees : Randy Souse Git [09:31:57] zoia | jbrinley: jbrinley : http://www.adeliedesign.com/wp/wp-content/uploads/2008/08/jon.png [09:31:59] gsf | mbklein++ jbrinley++ for @foaf [09:32:00] zoia | BillDueber: No lyrics for Randy Souse Git by Monkees. Searched lyricwiki & lyricsty [09:32:05] * mbklein wants to understand distributed version control. Help me, Obi-Wan. [09:32:05] JodiS | IT'S NOT A TRANSITION!!!! [09:32:08] BigD | epoz: welcome to c4l! ;) [09:32:15] JodiS | irc++ [09:32:17] wtd | skoczko: Excellent! [09:32:18] anarchivist | transitions_lenses-- [09:32:24] ---| <<-- jfereira [i=46a41923@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-ef7eb97885f60107] has quit (Client Quit) [09:32:30] jbrinley | @known [09:32:31] zoia jbrinley: I know URIs for the following users: BillDueber, JodiS, MrDys, akorphan, anarchivist, fak3r, flighty, gsf, jbrinley, kgs, ksclarke, lbjay, mbklein, mjg_, royt, scolford, wickr, zoia [09:32:32] epoz | is anarchivist mentioning git in his DVCS talk? [09:32:36] mbklein | gsf++ for letting us run rampant over breaksalot.org :) [09:32:37] anarchivist | epoz: briefly [09:32:41] skoczko | ok, so at least two people will be interested :) [09:32:45] mbklein | @forget zoia [09:32:46] zoia | mbklein: Funny. Not. [09:32:48] * jtgorman thinks non-library people as keynotes is always a gamble [09:32:51] epoz | ah, i see you mentioned that already [09:32:52] bess | hi, you must be new here. Yes, in fact, people have thought about some of this stuff before. Even in libraries. [09:32:54] anarchivist | epoz: git is too complicated and is officially not a DVCS [09:32:58] dchud | ok maybe now he's getting to metaweb. [09:33:01] ---| <<-- Kerwick [i=46a4190c@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-9dcbac580220874f] has quit ("http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client") [09:33:01] ---| <<-- kevinreiss [i=46a4190c@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-801d302900f67991] has quit ("http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client") [09:33:01] ---| <<-- mib_wnb20jqr [i=46a4190c@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-d09c11c560c662e5] has quit ("http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client") [09:33:07] skoczko | epoz: what are you taling about? [09:33:10] anarchivist | epoz: i'm too stupid to use git, so i use hg and bzr [09:33:11] dchud | hey, that's 100 people in here [09:33:14] harmless | if we get granular enough information, cyc will be really interesting... [09:33:16] skoczko | what do you mean not dvcs? [09:33:17] kgs | wherez kittenz? [09:33:22] fak3r | @foaf fak3r interest [09:33:23] zoia | fak3r: fak3r : http://dbpedia.org/resource/Indie_rock, http://dbpedia.org/resource/Erik_Estrada, http://dbpedia.org/resource/Open_source, http://dbpedia.org/resource/Art, http://dbpedia.org/resource/Geek, http://dbpedia.org/resource/Politics, http://dbpedia.org/resource/Jazz, cwQaxxQq793, http://dbpedia.org/resource/Yoga, http://dbpedia.org/resource/Beer, http://dbpedia.org/resource/Linux [09:33:27] epoz | i lean towards bzr iso git being a Python bigot [09:33:32] mikeybe | i.e metadata [09:33:35] mikeybe | ?? [09:33:39] skoczko | hg is a git fork, the usage is identical [09:33:40] ---| ---> jfereira [i=46a41923@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-dffe591d3fb76aac] has joined #code4lib [09:33:44] anarchivist | STOP, DEMO TIME [09:33:45] fak3r | harmless: I used to know someone at Cyc - anyone using opencyc? [09:33:49] timmcgeary | demoing that books are dead? [09:33:56] rsinger | @dict cwQaxxQq793 [09:33:57] zoia | rsinger: No definition for "cwQaxxQq793" could be found. [09:34:01] ---| <<-- ksdrake [i=46a4190c@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-0b5b2281ece265b3] has quit ("http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client") [09:34:10] MrDys | freeeeeeeeeeeeeeebase [09:34:14] BigD | Ask a Librarian [09:34:18] fak3r | relvance? [09:34:21] akorphan | So... the semantic web is good for Jeopardy answers? [09:34:26] timmcgeary | 4 [09:34:29] fak3r | akorphan: apparently [09:34:32] dchud | ...if only there were a company i work for that helps us answer these questions... [09:34:33] harmless | ...google [09:34:38] edsu | FREEBASE! [09:34:41] BillDueber | If you care about these questions, you need to rethink your life. [09:34:42] dchud | I WOULD GO TO THE LIBRARY [09:34:45] anarchivist | BigD: you put the SPARQL in my eyes [09:34:47] BillDueber | Except maybe the civil war one. [09:34:50] edsu | i would google it :) [09:34:51] BigD | i'd send a grant to MIT [09:34:52] bess | I would say, "you shoudl go ask a reference librarians. That's not my job." [09:34:53] abarrera | i'd use an encylopedia [09:35:05] fak3r | what is this book you speak of? [09:35:07] eom | Call a friend? Because polling the audience didn't work. [09:35:10] rsinger | "I would put the heroin in a spoon, put the lighter underneath it..." [09:35:11] kat3 | honesty++ [09:35:17] akorphan | I think the assertion that the degranularization from book to data leaves out the notion that *narrative* is a necessity for all kinds of reading, research, etc. [09:35:21] timmcgeary | wikipedia via google [09:35:27] jrochkind100 | send em to the reference desk [09:35:27] akorphan | If you need facts, sure, this is cool. [09:35:29] anarchivist | asnagy++ [09:35:40] mbklein | I'd ask in channel and wait for mjgiarlo to make some shit up. [09:35:42] scolford | akorphan++ [09:35:44] mikeybe | those were all googlable questions...books provide scope on arguments [09:35:45] fak3r | potatoe++ [09:35:47] dchud | mbklein++ [09:35:49] jbrinley | mbklein++ [09:35:52] ---| ---> kevinreiss [i=46a4190c@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-d8706b7c87386d3a] has joined #code4lib [09:35:52] anarchivist | freebasing++ [09:35:55] akorphan | akorphan_grammar-- [09:35:55] * kat3 just realized i'm sitting right next to one of the electronic speakers [09:36:01] ---| ---> Kerwick [i=46a4190c@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-65e4ef3092094c42] has joined #code4lib [09:36:02] edsu | it's crazy how much books are turning up in google reesults now [09:36:05] ---| ---> mib_wnb20jqr [i=46a4190c@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-f063bba81d1eddb8] has joined #code4lib [09:36:07] edsu | results [09:36:07] mbklein | I NEED ONLY ONE AUTHORITY AND HE WEARS A NECKBEARD [09:36:09] mib_nch3tkl0 | omg...I thought of freebase when he asked! [09:36:23] mbklein | Is there a term for a phonetic (not alphabetic) anagram? Anaphone? [09:36:25] jrochkind100 | he's stealing your talk, man. [09:36:26] mikeybe | with google we all feel like we are professionals on a topic in 3 minutes [09:36:29] jrochkind100 | is an electronic speaker like a robot? [09:36:32] gsf | trick question [09:36:33] BigD | way to bring us down [09:36:34] khatar | IMDB ! [09:36:35] ---| <<-- kevinreiss [i=46a4190c@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-d8706b7c87386d3a] has quit (Client Quit) [09:36:46] fak3r | usa, usa! [09:36:48] JodiS | good to have him talking about freebase [09:36:48] kat3 | jrochkind100: yes but louder [09:36:50] kevin7kal | g8tor: I'm in this room as well [09:36:59] fak3r | should have pre-cached the images [09:37:04] mbklein | Al Obama? [09:37:08] * anarchivist is too hungover for a history lesson [09:37:11] BigD | the french surrendered [09:37:17] timmcgeary | BigD++ [09:37:29] fak3r | freedom fries considered [09:37:38] ---| ---> ksdrake [i=46a4190c@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-175ae1f3fdc01c90] has joined #code4lib [09:37:40] JodiS | harmless: cyc is interesting. hope it'll come through with enough time [09:37:42] BigD | they are actually still in the confederacy [09:37:42] anarchivist | vimeo++ [09:37:46] * JodiS has a few friends who used to work for Cycorp [09:37:49] dchud | for every one of these questions, i know multiple librarians who would know hte answers off the top of their heads [09:37:52] rosy1280 | french fries are good for hangovers [09:37:54] timmcgeary | the French? [09:38:03] anarchivist | was that sosumi? [09:38:18] akorphan | rosy1280: Greasy food only provides temporary relief from hangovers [09:38:25] fak3r | linked to items? how? [09:38:25] jbrinley | dchud: can I have copies of those librarians? [09:38:27] ejk | sosumi++ [09:38:28] ---| <<-- ksdrake [i=46a4190c@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-175ae1f3fdc01c90] has quit (Client Quit) [09:38:29] rsinger | dchud: that's a difficult model for web scale, though [09:38:29] JodiS | dchud: you know some awesome librarians [09:38:32] mbklein | Parallax is awesome, but all I really use it for is scaring the technophobic librarians. [09:38:38] gsf | dchud: this is eerily similar to desk set [09:38:39] jrochkind100 | the FIRST interface to allow this.... since DIALOG. [09:38:49] ---| ---> mib_eh3pc9n7 [i=46a4190c@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-eaa6d7504ff8bed2] has joined #code4lib [09:38:53] akorphan | Your liver just gets busy metabolizing the fat rather than the formaldehyde precursors causing the hangover for a while. [09:38:58] * JodiS needs to know more about DIALOG [09:38:58] anarchivist | dialog++ [09:39:01] fak3r | slow_searching++ [09:39:02] ---| <<-- calvinm_ [i=46a4190c@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-6c521d283e1106bd] has quit ("http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client") [09:39:02] dchud | gsf: strange, all the clerks in the mailroom just got RAISES! [09:39:06] jrochkind100 | except without katherine hepburn. [09:39:12] dchud | and the rest of us have been LAID OFF! [09:39:17] khatar | grmbl! intrusive javascript :( [09:39:21] wtd | bunnywatson++ [09:39:22] mbklein | Our print reference collection doesn't slow down with use. [09:39:29] fak3r | ...buffering... [09:39:29] kat3 | jrochkind100: then what's the point? :( [09:39:34] ---| <<-- reeset [n=chatzill@128-193-147-211.oregonstate.edu] has quit (Connection timed out) [09:39:35] dchud | JodiS: definitely so [09:39:40] chickmarkley | you are experiencing denial of speech attack by audience [09:39:44] fak3r | ghostbusters [09:39:52] dchud | rsinger: does answering those questions need to happen at web scale? we managed to do stuff like that before the web. [09:39:52] mbklein | live_demo++ [09:40:00] akorphan | My head hurts from all the spinners [09:40:02] * rjw madly rewriting presentation for slooooow network [09:40:06] akorphan | I htink i'm getting motion sicness [09:40:13] wtd | Someone find the answer somewhere else and shout it out.. [09:40:18] akorphan | s/a bunch of stuff/some other stuff [09:40:22] rsinger | dchud: meh [09:40:23] fak3r | building_facets++ [09:40:25] * kat3 resists the urge to make a "ridin' spinners" joke [09:40:35] fak3r | ...buffering... [09:40:37] epoz | interesting. digital heckling burns bandwidth causing presenter demo grief [09:40:39] ---| ---> ksdrake [i=46a4190c@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-2608aa875d9640c5] has joined #code4lib [09:40:42] anarchivist | kat3++ [09:40:43] jbrinley | mbklein: so if someone else is using the book I want, I can use it at the same time? [09:40:48] dchud | is there a wire on a quiet subnet for the speaker's podium? [09:40:58] akorphan | Quick, everyone start playing youtube clips! [09:41:01] mbklein | jbrinley++ touche [09:41:11] bess | should i not be bittorrenting right now? [09:41:11] chickmarkley | jbrinley:you have to read slower [09:41:14] timmcgeary | dchud: there should be [09:41:15] ---| <<-- Cliffw [i=46a4190c@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-1cd9a846b1e338d7] has quit ("http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client") [09:41:15] anarchivist | bess++ [09:41:17] rsinger | since we're all torrenting my dj 4 an hour files on the public wireless? [09:41:20] rjw | working in a spin [09:41:22] * mbklein waits for the RickRoll [09:41:25] timmcgeary | getting the latest 24, bess? [09:41:35] mbklein | NEVER GONNA GIVE YOU UUUUUP... [09:41:46] scolford | akorphan: nothing provides permanent relief from hangovers. especially if you go out drinking again. [09:41:49] akorphan | [09:41:54] timmcgeary | I can't listen any slower [09:41:55] BigD | hmm [09:42:03] anarchivist | *crickets* [09:42:13] timmcgeary | doing_stuff++ [09:42:15] MrDys | looks like my plan to do a live demo was not a great one... [09:42:15] abarrera | he lost me at hello [09:42:16] BillDueber | Note to self: be prepared to talk over slow network. [09:42:17] mbklein | doing_stuff_down_at_the_bottom++ [09:42:19] ---| ---> MikeTaylor [i=46a4190c@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-0ada31af0c732d82] has joined #code4lib [09:42:28] skoczko | Hi Mike! [09:42:29] abarrera | why did 7 people just get up [09:42:31] BigD | freebase ate the tubes [09:42:37] lbjay | PLAY THE CRICKETS! [09:42:39] ---| <<-- erikhatcher [n=erik@wsip-70-164-25-61.ri.ri.cox.net] has quit () [09:42:40] lbjay | eff that [09:42:40] gsf | stop using sites! [09:42:45] anarchivist | ATTICA [09:42:47] anarchivist | ATTICA [09:42:49] anarchivist | ATTICA [09:42:53] akorphan | admonishment-- [09:42:57] ---| <--- abrin [n=adam@wsip-70-164-25-111.ri.ri.cox.net] has left #code4lib () [09:42:57] dchud | is there a wire on a quiet subnet for the speaker's podium? [09:43:02] wickr | yes, irc is so bandwidth heavy [09:43:02] harmless | anyone have a fast data plan on their cell? [09:43:03] ---| <<-- ejlynema [i=46a4190c@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-0207699883fa79b4] has quit ("http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client") [09:43:12] MikeTaylor | If RDF is the answer, can we have understood the question? [09:43:12] BillDueber | 5 minute minor for chatting [09:43:18] mbklein | It's not the IRC bandwidth, it's the overhead of 100 ssh tunnels to get to freenode... [09:43:19] paulalbert | I wonder if it's so slow because I'm downloading the entire second season of Hannah Montana in HD. [09:43:20] anarchivist | HAS ANYONE SEEN MY WIMAX CARD [09:43:20] JodiS | live demos require a backup plane [09:43:21] rosy1280 | slow interwebs [09:43:26] scolford | freebase is causing an unacceptable lag in mibbit [09:43:30] rsinger | you know, a librarian wouldn't have these problems [09:43:31] wickr | harmless: reception sucks down here [09:43:33] JodiS | dchud: quiet net makes sens [09:43:34] gsf | mbklein: true, true [09:43:35] JodiS | sense [09:43:36] * zoia chuckles [09:43:40] timmcgeary | rsinger++ [09:43:42] anarchivist | rsinger++ [09:43:44] rsinger | @decide books or internet [09:43:44] fak3r | connection reset by peer [09:43:44] fak3r | paganation++ [09:43:44] fak3r | how we doing on time? [09:43:44] fak3r | obviously [09:43:44] fak3r | blame the victim [09:43:45] zoia | rsinger: go with internet [09:43:46] edsu | MikeTaylor: how do you build a distributed database on the web? [09:43:51] rsinger | zoia: you would say that [09:43:52] zoia | rsinger: http://wrongcards.com/ecard/im-sorry-my-thetans-made-me-do-it [09:43:54] ---| ---> mjg_ [i=46a4190c@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-d8565f36c0aecdb7] has joined #code4lib [09:44:00] chickmarkley | should schedule multiple speakers at same time, multi-tasking rules [09:44:20] ---| <<-- mib_60fv6b [i=46a4190c@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-ad2088561d72b4ff] has quit ("http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client") [09:44:24] ---| <--- mib_eh3pc9n7 [i=46a4190c@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-eaa6d7504ff8bed2] has left #code4lib () [09:44:43] jbrinley | fak3r: 16 minutes left [09:44:47] MikeTaylor | edsu: something fuzzier. Any solution that begins with "Hey, let's just get everyone to input everything with rigour!" is not a solution. [09:44:55] mjg_ | wireless-- [09:44:57] * jtgorman starts pondering the fact that perhaps code4lib needs a proxy/cache/fake server [09:44:59] gsf | the joy of sets [09:44:59] akorphan | all day long I think about sets [09:45:00] timmcgeary | chickmarkley: dueling speakers? [09:45:01] mib_nch3tkl0 | question about presentation...how does cloud computing work in areas with poor infrastructure for networks? [09:45:16] skoczko | Mike, RDF is the answer to every problem in the world [09:45:17] paulalbert | akorphan++ [09:45:26] jtgorman | ie for conference you can set up any servers you need (vms galore) and download the websites ahead of time [09:45:36] ---| <<-- Kerwick [i=46a4190c@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-65e4ef3092094c42] has quit ("http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client") [09:45:36] mikeybe | can you make private freebase data sets? [09:45:36] * BillDueber understands sets. I'm not sure I understand directed graphs at a deep enough level to understand RDF [09:45:41] mib_nch3tkl0 | also, librariny q...since freebase queries things like wikipedia, how do we verify info? [09:45:42] wtd | Network problems are why I'm getting more into keeping things under version control and synching up when I need to. [09:45:44] mikeybe | i.e. not open to the public? [09:45:48] MrDys | mikeybe: yes [09:45:59] akorphan | mib_bladeblaa: I was thinking about that at the linkeddata preconf [09:46:04] ---| <<-- cdc [i=46a4190c@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-584d473bd67b8832] has quit ("http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client") [09:46:04] ---| ---> mhs_uva [i=46a4190c@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-f763eea60ffc6238] has joined #code4lib [09:46:11] akorphan | What if you get two sources that provide different dates for King Lear? [09:46:12] MrDys | mikeybe: only in a 'testing area' sandboxy kind of sense, but yeah [09:46:17] akorphan | how do you discriminate? [09:46:25] ---| ---> adickmeiss [i=46a4190c@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-e1c68661349822f0] has joined #code4lib [09:46:35] ---| ---> mcdonald [i=d0365e4e@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-c5509910a9fffabe] has joined #code4lib [09:46:37] ---| <<-- fak3r [i=46a4190c@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-81e1e4120e852791] has quit ("http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client") [09:46:52] mouwd | isn't that imdb? [09:46:57] ---| ---> rosy1280_ [n=rosy1280@155.47.17.158] has joined #code4lib [09:46:59] gsf | trainspotting++ [09:47:08] BillDueber | mouwd: No. It's darker. [09:47:11] mikeybe | where's kevin bacon? [09:47:12] rjw | click-n-browse++ [09:47:20] ---| <<-- cbeer [i=46a4190c@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-4e6133107bd475b4] has quit ("http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client") [09:47:25] ---| <<-- rosy1280 [n=rosy1280@155.47.17.158] has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) [09:47:25] dchud | ...and we're back [09:47:25] * dchud turns on "bonjour" network connection in adium [09:47:25] dchud | MrDys: make a little screencap of your demo [09:47:27] scolford | aggregative++ [09:47:39] ---| ---> cbeer [n=chris@ratherinsane.com] has joined #code4lib [09:47:48] akorphan | a universal api for all data is a pretty cool idea, admittedly. [09:47:51] dchud | imdb with better css! [09:47:56] ---| ---> Kerwick [i=46a4190c@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-42c7c461431202c7] has joined #code4lib [09:47:58] dchud | imdb with better css! [09:48:13] wickr | a bit more editable too [09:48:14] jbrinley | akorphan: you look at the sources used for those sources, same as you would with books/encyclopedias [09:48:23] jbrinley | akorphan: ultimately, it comes down to trust [09:48:30] zoia | New news from planetcode4lib: Engard, Nicole: NFAIS 2009: The Impact of Global Digital Natives || del.icio.us: State of the Art - Amazon.com's Kindle Goes From Good to Better - NYTimes.com || del.icio.us: rda4lib || Chudnov, Dan: code4lib 2009 talk on caching and proxy [09:48:38] akorphan | jbrinley: re: Lear? [09:49:08] skoczko | six degrees of kevin bacon [09:49:10] akorphan | Sure, but the predominant convention for trust on the web at this time is amount of linking, which is a bit suspect. [09:49:34] timmcgeary | bill clinton - who's your daddy? [09:49:34] bess | freebase++ # this was what I wanted to hear more about [09:49:45] rjw | bacon++ [09:49:52] dchud | imdb with better css! [09:49:52] dchud | wickr: imdb edit contribs are vetted [09:49:52] dchud | not sayin' that's better necessarily [09:49:53] skoczko | http://oracleofbacon.org/ [09:49:58] kat3 | http://translate.stefanomazzocchi.user.dev.freebaseapps.com [09:50:05] timmcgeary | oracleofbacon.org++ [09:50:10] ---| <<-- mpark [n=mpark@128.148.216.27] has quit ("ChatZilla 0.9.84 [Firefox 3.0.6/2009011913]") [09:50:16] akorphan | erdos++ [09:50:21] ---| ---> dlovins [i=46a4190c@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-33cceb7d4913dab6] has joined #code4lib [09:50:27] MikeTaylor | COme back, mpark! It's meaningless without you! [09:50:29] jbrinley | akorphan: you're welcome to use your own methods to determine who you trust on the web [09:50:30] ---| ---> erikhatcher [n=erik@wsip-70-164-25-61.ri.ri.cox.net] has joined #code4lib [09:50:46] ejk | recaptcha is a game? [09:50:56] MikeTaylor | Any solution that begins "you are welcome to use your own methods to ..." is not a solution. [09:51:00] mjg_ | a crying game [09:51:12] rosy1280_ | a game where you guess what the image really says [09:51:15] rosy1280_ | squinty like [09:51:21] harmless | books have that problem too. a lot of questionable stuff gets printed. a lot of journalists write articles from too few research papers with too small samples or too preliminary, etc. [09:51:23] Kerwick | recaptcha is what you do when the other team has your flag [09:51:24] harmless | do we have any standard metric for information quality? [09:51:25] MikeTaylor | (I am going to copyright this "any solution that begins with X is not a solution" template.) [09:51:26] jbrinley | MikeTaylor: but it's the same solution that we already have for print [09:51:29] lbjay | is martin still not here? anders is doing his talk next? [09:51:33] akorphan | MikeTaylor++ [09:51:34] jtgorman | Kerwick++ [09:51:35] ---| ---> mpark [n=mpark@128.148.216.27] has joined #code4lib [09:51:50] jrochkind100 | diseased? [09:51:56] JodiS | harmless: good question re: info quality metrics! [09:51:57] akorphan | jbrinley: But the notion here is that you're trying to make some kind of automated knowledge aggregator [09:52:05] MikeTaylor | jbrinley, I thought we were trying to IMPROVE on what we already have. [09:52:06] ---| ---> cdc [i=46a4190c@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-9bd7259e7562063e] has joined #code4lib [09:52:06] ---| <<-- cschx [i=46a4190c@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-2d43f201f683023d] has quit ("http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client") [09:52:06] akorphan | so automation++ [09:52:13] ---| ---> calvinm_ [i=calvinm@fraser.sfu.ca] has joined #code4lib [09:52:54] gsf | ooh, the "is this person really dead?" game [09:52:57] JodiS | crowdsourcing on http://typewriter.freebaseapps.com/ [09:53:02] akorphan | Dead or Canadian? [09:53:07] Kerwick | Dead pool [09:53:15] ---| ---> mib_qe0d1gjq [i=46a4190c@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-207328b35bca9dee] has joined #code4lib [09:53:20] * lbjay has played the "is this a television show?" game [09:53:24] dchud | i'm not convinced that crowdsourcing is necessarily different from Gale or whoever paying staff to edit reference sources [09:53:28] jbrinley | MikeTaylor: yes, improve it. But don't say that the Internet is worse than print just because you don't have better solutions for certain problems [09:53:29] jrochkind100 | i can't see the addiction. [09:53:32] JodiS | dchud: no, but it's cheaper [09:53:34] timmcgeary | not addicted [09:53:35] ecorrado | akorphan: is there a difference? [09:53:36] ---| User: *** mib_qe0d1gjq is now known as fak3r [09:53:41] abarrera | great taking advantage of those with OCD [09:53:45] gsf | you people are obviously not gamers [09:53:45] akorphan | jbrinley: authorities++ [09:53:47] kat3 | i dont have a problem [09:53:50] harmless | the metric would have to be objective and repeatable---you wouldn't want to rely on any one central authority to tell you if your information is good, it would have to be something you could independently verify [09:53:52] jrochkind100 | can I win a million dollars if i get them right? [09:53:53] MrDys | jrochkind100: it's the same addiction as 'hot or not' [09:53:56] MikeTaylor | jbrinley, sorry, that wasn't AT ALL what I meant to say! Only that the specific solutions currently on offer are disappointing. [09:54:06] JodiS | dchud: trying to find commonality? [09:54:07] anarchivist | zoia: are you bot or not [09:54:09] zoia | anarchivist: rake gerbils:deploy [09:54:17] BillDueber | Great. Votes by people who don't know what the hell they're talking about. I can get that now on IRC. [09:54:22] jrochkind100 | MrDys: except without pictures of hot people. [09:54:33] MrDys | jrochkind100: more necrophilic, yes [09:54:35] ---| ---> ejlynema [i=46a4190c@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-34adcc36e5f41a59] has joined #code4lib [09:54:49] rjw | vote for you favourite subject heading! [09:54:59] * Baroquem admits that he would compulsively sort the living and the dead. [09:55:02] kat3 | self-regulating data reliability [09:55:02] jbrinley | @karma mjgiarlo [09:55:03] zoia | jbrinley: Karma for "mjgiarlo" has been increased 1159 times and decreased 108 times for a total karma of 1051. [09:55:11] scolford | hey, don't tell me what my gender is. [09:55:13] JodiS | someone's going to raise the metacrap question, right? [09:55:14] paulalbert | wisdom of crowds only works when there's no echo chamber effect [09:55:14] jrochkind100 | fun! [09:55:15] abarrera | mjgiarlo: not sure if he's male or female [09:55:15] kgs | @karma kgs [09:55:16] zoia | kgs: Karma for "kgs" has been increased 112 times and decreased 4 times for a total karma of 108. [09:55:19] rsinger | harmless: we don't do that now? [09:55:24] Kerwick | Hey! It's Pat! [09:55:28] gsf | don't squeeze me into your dichotomous gender machine [09:55:30] anarchivist | http://icanhascheezburger.files.wordpress.com/2009/02/funny-pictures-your-cat-fights-the-rice-paper.jpg [09:55:31] JodiS | paulalbert: echo chamber, interested parties, ... other problems? [09:55:32] JodiS | gsf++ [09:55:34] timmcgeary | Pat++ [09:55:39] mjg_ | jbrinley++ # which thereby shows what little value crowdsourcing has [09:55:46] timmcgeary | gsf++ [09:55:49] ecorrado | 5 minute warning has been issued [09:55:50] fak3r | not now [09:55:55] jrochkind100 | 'biological organisms'? E. Coli -- m or f? [09:55:56] JodiS | Pat-- #for marginalizing trans people, and people beyond the gender binary [09:56:06] kgs | Facebook is strangely old-fashioned about gender and marriage [09:56:16] MikeTaylor | I don't get it. Why would anyone say, "Oh, I have a couple of free hours, why don't I spend them classifying the genders or random people"? [09:56:18] akorphan | kgs: example of latter? [09:56:29] kat3 | kgs: there's actually an app extension for that [09:56:31] ---| ---> mib_zwbls57a [i=46a4190c@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-280f3669b26816ef] has joined #code4lib [09:56:34] fak3r | MikeTaylor++ [09:56:36] JodiS | paulalbert: it's ripe for a "metacrap" essay about crowdsourcing. want to write one? [09:56:38] BillDueber | MikeTaylor: 'Cause Full House isn't on TV? [09:56:39] timmcgeary | don't play with your arrow keys like that [09:56:50] rsinger | MikeTaylor: why do people do that for librarything? [09:56:50] akorphan | miketaylor: maybe if you could make it part of a captcha.... [09:56:54] harmless | rsinger: maybe! do you know of some metrics for info. quality? i'm sure there are some, would be interesting to see what's out there for that ... [09:56:58] rsinger | MikeTaylor: and yet, THEY DO [09:57:00] kgs | In FB you can be married or "it's complicated" [09:57:10] fak3r | FB-- [09:57:12] MikeTaylor | rsinger: maybe the world has more very bored people in it than I realised. [09:57:14] akorphan | kgs: no "partner" or anything:? [09:57:16] rsinger | harmless: what metrics do we currently have? [09:57:18] kgs | after 16 years it's not complicated: I just meekly follow orders [09:57:21] jrochkind100 | i thought marriage was always complicated [09:57:22] jbrinley | MikeTaylor: no, the question is: I'm bored in this lecture. What can I do to pass the time that won't be to obvious to my prof? [09:57:28] fak3r | he did a search and it came back? [09:57:38] paulalbert | JodiS: I don't know anything. I'm just repeating what I heard a guest say on Colbert. :) [09:57:42] skoczko | no one is gonnna spend time writing down relations and dependencies that seem obvious to him, unfortunately those relations are not obvious for the machine [09:57:49] rsinger | MikeTaylor: i mean, i don't get it either, but these people exist [09:57:50] MikeTaylor | jbrinley -- you mean THIS lecture in particular? [09:57:50] timmcgeary | kgs++ [09:57:51] JodiS | paulalbert: ok, will have to search for that later. thanks for the lead! [09:57:59] fak3r | that "I" use? [09:58:02] skoczko | that's why semantic web is flawed in it's design [09:58:11] rsinger | MikeTaylor: wikipedia, evidently, being the realization of this [09:58:18] anarchivist | too bad this is not python [09:58:18] Baroquem | Not boredom. It's fun to bring order to chaos. [09:58:19] akorphan | I just can't get 100% behind the "factual by majority assertion" model of authority. [09:58:29] MikeTaylor | Wikipedia is a bit different, because what you build has more substance. [09:58:31] dchud | ecorrado++ [09:58:31] akorphan | It does work a lot of the time, but is that good enough? really? [09:58:33] khatar | are those apps written in acre? [09:58:35] * JodiS has a great desire to bring info together [09:58:35] kgs | akorphan++ [09:58:38] jbrinley | MikeTaylor: no, just the millions of students sitting in college classrooms with their computers right now [09:58:46] harmless | rsinger: i don't know. i'm asking :) ...i said i'm sure there are some because academia is all about making metrics for things [09:58:55] JodiS | akorphan: yup, that's a big deal. "The majority is always wrong" (or whatever Ibsen said) [09:58:58] rsinger | MikeTaylor: well, this requires less work, really --- some people are editors. Some people are drones. [09:58:59] bess | akorphan: agree there's way too many things that "everybody knows" that are not actually true. [09:59:00] rjw | reading raw json-- [09:59:02] * BillDueber likes the query format. [09:59:03] paulalbert | JodiS: Out of curiosity, do you have a publication or forum in mind? [09:59:12] gsf | reading raw json > reading raw xml [09:59:17] mjg_ | json++ [09:59:26] JodiS | easy cloning is nice [09:59:26] anarchivist | json++ # however i am realizing i really hate json [09:59:38] rsinger | you're gonna be looking at both raw json and raw xml in about 40 minutes [09:59:39] BillDueber | reading yaml > reading json [09:59:42] JodiS | paulalbert: not offhand. ideas? [09:59:44] jbrinley | akorphan: you just want to go with a majority of one particular population (self-described experts) rather than a different population [09:59:49] BillDueber | rsinger: That assumes we're paying attention. [09:59:50] gsf | rsinger: such a tease [09:59:50] * anarchivist just realized yesterday that you can't pass rdf+xml into exhibit [09:59:51] ejk | sosumi+- [09:59:54] skoczko | JSON 4ever! [09:59:58] anarchivist | at least directly [10:00:02] anarchivist | wild_eep++ [10:00:04] jrochkind100 | cc-by still not appropriate for data. [10:00:04] JodiS | akorphan: that makes me think of Galileo, Copernicus, ... [10:00:13] gsf | acre++ looks cool [10:00:16] jrochkind100 | franco still dead. [10:00:17] abarrera | except that people have taken the data from sites/books etc which weren't CC [10:00:17] bess | this seems like an awesome source for music and movie metadata [10:00:29] ---| ---> michaeldb [n=michaeld@CPE0012170da427-CM000a739b087e.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #code4lib [10:00:30] JodiS | nice bell! [10:00:32] akorphan | JodiS: If we could make an automated scientific methodizer.... [10:00:32] rsinger | bess: agreed -- MrDys is talking about this stuff [10:00:36] timmcgeary | bell++ [10:00:43] akorphan | OCCAMBOT [10:00:45] mjg_ | was that royt clicking his rocks glass? [10:00:46] rjw | json++ as long as I don't have to see it! [10:00:46] JodiS | jrochkind100: cc-by problem WAY impt! [10:00:50] anarchivist | acid++ [10:00:56] jrochkind100 | abarrera: you are allowed to take FACTS from books and do whatever you want with them. Facts not copyrightable. Whcih is why CC is still not appropriate for data. [10:00:58] dhanu | is it possible to download all the presentation slides from some where? [10:01:04] JodiS | akorphan: what's an automated scientific methodizer? [10:01:09] ---| <<-- dchud [i=46a4190c@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-8d2e6e8678390f0e] has quit ("http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client") [10:01:15] khatar | yaml++ even if i have to see it :) [10:01:18] MrDys | good quick intro to freebase...didn't end up cannabalizing my presentation too much [10:01:19] jbrinley | bell = cup + fork [10:01:20] wickr | dhanu: they'll be linked up eventually [10:01:22] JodiS | dhanu: good question. One hopes they'll get added to the http://code4lib.org/conference/2009/schedule [10:01:29] paulalbert | Jodis: nothing good. All my essays go on my girlfriends blog. [10:01:30] ---| <--- scolford [i=46a4190c@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-ee1d28a747780337] has left #code4lib () [10:01:33] JodiS | royt: can you ask Stefano to link his slides? [10:01:34] rsinger | is that my nemesis? [10:01:35] ---| <<-- harmless [i=46a4190c@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-d99d2b10d3049ec8] has quit ("http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client") [10:01:40] jbrinley | dhanu: propably linked from http://code4lib.org/conference/2009/schedule eventually [10:01:41] akorphan | JodiS: If only I knew, it would solve a lot of these problems. [10:01:44] JodiS | paulalbert: dude, get a new blog, or marry your girlfriend! :) [10:01:47] * BillDueber needs that bell to add to his book and cup. [10:01:48] dhanu | cool :) [10:01:49] timmcgeary | jbrinley: is that like at a wedding? [10:01:52] anarchivist | is there water smewherere around here? [10:01:59] anarchivist | ugh [10:02:01] akorphan | anarchivist: back and to the right, I think. [10:02:04] MrDys | anarchivist: back of the room [10:02:05] ---| <<-- kevin7kal [n=kevin7ka@300bd-210.tlt.psu.edu] has quit (Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)) [10:02:09] eom | pitchers in the back [10:02:10] wickr | anarchivist: pitchers at back wall [10:02:12] rsinger | THANK GOD [10:02:13] timmcgeary | rush for the water [10:02:13] JodiS | paulalbert: well, I've got a blog (technically) [10:02:28] MikeTaylor | Can anyone here express "bell = cup + fork" in RDF? Can you express the scope of this relation's applicability? [10:02:33] ---| ---> kevin7kal [n=kevin7ka@300bd-210.tlt.psu.edu] has joined #code4lib [10:02:33] akorphan | jbrinley: that was quite the sonorous cup + fork. [10:02:38] * anarchivist feels the naragansett waging war inside his body [10:02:46] MikeTaylor | Saved by the cup+fork [10:02:51] akorphan | You'd need a quad I think [10:02:52] paulalbert | JodiS: ha ha [10:02:55] anarchivist | mmm, tastes like genocide [10:02:58] akorphan | (result, item1, item2, interaction) [10:03:06] ---| ---> harmless [i=46a4190c@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-7f833dbf0c2e4aaf] has joined #code4lib [10:03:14] BillDueber | Oops. Nerd isn't here. [10:03:20] jrochkind100 | the knife ran away with the spoon. [10:03:21] ---| <<-- epoz [i=46a41928@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-e32a5ef1fa4951e7] has quit ("http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client") [10:03:21] akorphan | oh anarchivist, just say no to gansett [10:03:37] anarchivist | naragansett++ [10:03:41] anarchivist | $2.50 at as220 [10:03:43] akorphan | there's a reason it's as cheap as it is [10:03:46] skoczko | hearsBell -> ihibitsSenseOfHunger -> isRelatedTo -> [Cup] isRelatedTo [fork] [10:03:51] akorphan | also a reason why it wasn't made for 10 years. [10:03:54] lbjay | @help foaf [10:03:55] zoia | lbjay: (foaf ) -- Returns the objects of the given predicate in the given nick's FOAF. [10:03:59] BillDueber | jrochkind100: The dish should have known the spoon would leave. Once a cheater, always a cheater. [10:04:00] ---| ---> cschx [i=46a4190c@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-dfaef138ee14d6ee] has joined #code4lib [10:04:04] lbjay | @foaf based_near lbjay [10:04:05] zoia | lbjay: I didn't know based_near's URI anyway. [10:04:07] ---| <<-- kevin7kal [n=kevin7ka@300bd-210.tlt.psu.edu] has quit (Connection reset by peer) [10:04:11] anarchivist | akorphan: for cheap beer, it's actually delicious [10:04:13] skoczko | embrace the change! [10:04:17] anarchivist | "delicious" [10:04:18] ---| ---> abrin [n=adam@wsip-70-164-25-111.ri.ri.cox.net] has joined #code4lib [10:04:21] ---| ---> kevin7kal [n=kevin7ka@300bd-210.tlt.psu.edu] has joined #code4lib [10:04:29] lbjay | lbjay: rtfm [10:04:30] ---| <<-- cordmata [i=46a4190c@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-1ca96b648849df02] has quit ("http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client") [10:04:35] akorphan | anarchivist: I'm a sucker for Yuengling when it comes to cheap. [10:04:36] lbjay | @foaf lbjay based_near [10:04:38] zoia | lbjay: lbjay : cwQaxxQq798 [10:04:47] timmcgeary | yuengling++ [10:04:47] ecorrado | timer.app++ [10:04:50] MikeTaylor | It would be neat if all of us on this channel all did a cup+fork simultaneously. It would confuse the heck out of everyone else and demonstrate the power of, oh I don't know, crowdfrlashactmobsourcing or something. [10:04:57] lbjay | @foaf anarchivist based_near [10:04:58] zoia | lbjay: anarchivist : cwQaxxQq804 [10:04:59] edsu | lbjay: is there a patch i need toapply from you? [10:05:07] lbjay | edsu: still working on it [10:05:10] edsu | k [10:05:17] edsu | sorry about the IO, btw [10:05:24] fak3r | huh? [10:05:30] lbjay | edsu: my sparql was fuql'ed [10:05:31] timmcgeary | synchronous cup+fork++ [10:05:48] ejk | ricekrispiestreats++ [10:06:00] lbjay | edsu: no worries. just remarking on it. [10:06:02] BillDueber | ejk: Where????? [10:06:05] ---| ---> mib_4ketyhi4 [i=46a4190c@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-7a1d1d74df818a62] has joined #code4lib [10:06:06] timmcgeary | there are rice krispie treats???? [10:06:16] anarchivist | timmcgeary: where breakfast was [10:06:25] akorphan | ooh [10:06:28] akorphan | hum de hum... [10:06:30] timmcgeary | anarchivist: thanks [10:06:42] fak3r | rice krispies? [10:06:42] edsu | lbjay: oh, a query was spiking the IO? i thought it was the syncing [10:07:04] fak3r | wikipedia definition, why not use freebase? [10:07:04] gsf | MikeTaylor: we would need to sync swatches [10:07:25] anarchivist | @quote add less semantic, more web [10:07:29] rsinger | my_macbooks_battery_life-- [10:07:29] zoia | anarchivist: The operation succeeded. Quote #1720 added. [10:07:46] lbjay | edsu: nono. sthe sparql was a diff issue [10:07:57] lbjay | wireless-- [10:07:57] jfereira | powerstrips++ [10:08:00] fak3r | opac mention [10:08:22] rjw | nice_front_page++ [10:08:22] khatar | in fact i hope web will die: i don't carre about webpage design: i want information (with my own render if possible) [10:08:32] anarchivist | swedes++ [10:08:35] * BillDueber is still waiting waiting waiting for the bit about the linked data. [10:08:42] fak3r | color_palatte++ [10:08:58] kgs | think over break I may move tripod directly behind one of the projectors so slide recording isn't canted [10:09:05] ---| ---> charper [i=46a4190c@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-250ecac2f1e91bd7] has joined #code4lib [10:09:08] ---| <<-- kevin7kal [n=kevin7ka@300bd-210.tlt.psu.edu] has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) [10:09:09] ---| ---> kevin7kal_ [n=kevin7ka@300bd-210.tlt.psu.edu] has joined #code4lib [10:09:11] BillDueber | khatar: Most people that think they can design a system for their own use better than a professional designer are wrong. [10:09:20] timmcgeary | nice concept [10:09:23] lbjay | kgs: need any help? [10:09:36] ---| ---> iand [i=46a4190c@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-0f1befb2b578768f] has joined #code4lib [10:09:38] MikeTaylor | BillDueber: Most people that think they can design a system for their own use cheaper than a professional designer are right. [10:09:49] edsu | anders++ # nice quote that [10:09:54] ksclarke_web | nice quote [10:09:58] wickr | both options would be nice [10:10:03] timmcgeary | very nice quote [10:10:07] ---| <<-- mpark [n=mpark@128.148.216.27] has quit ("ChatZilla 0.9.84 [Firefox 3.0.6/2009011913]") [10:10:13] * ecorrado can design system fr own use just fine, for everyones use, maybe not so much [10:10:16] jfereira | The web is made of people [10:10:21] khatar | BillDueber, i don't want to design a tool: i want to use a tool i can parameter to render the information *my way* [10:10:22] BillDueber | MikeTaylor: depends on how much time you lose making and fighting with your system [10:10:24] ---| <<-- Kerwick [i=46a4190c@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-42c7c461431202c7] has quit ("http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client") [10:10:29] ---| ---> dchud [i=46a4190c@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-915a719647ba964d] has joined #code4lib [10:10:37] rosy1280_ | ecorrado++ [10:10:51] fak3r | in this country a catalog can grow up and be anything they want [10:10:53] kgs | lbjay on break help me assert eminent domain ;) I actually think the tripod can be a little lower if it's that near [10:10:54] ejlynema | c4lj plug: the nat'l library of sweden folks just put out a c4lj article about the agile, user-centered design process they used when re-writing LIBRIS. [10:10:54] ---| ---> Kerwick [i=46a4190c@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-475ac79e2b0c78fe] has joined #code4lib [10:10:57] MikeTaylor | How come we can't send coffee over the wireless network yet? [10:11:01] akorphan | jfereira: Soylent Web? [10:11:07] ecorrado | coffee++ [10:11:14] anarchivist | J2ME? [10:11:17] mbklein | OK, people. Just one more @foaf function, because I'm insane this morning. [10:11:20] jbrinley | BillDueber++ [10:11:20] jbrinley | as mentioned previously, you often need narrative, or at least context for facts [10:11:20] jbrinley | design can do a lot of that [10:11:25] khatar | i don't want to rewrite a browser: i want a configurable browser that even don't download CSS, logos, banners and other useless stuff [10:11:26] anarchivist | mbklein++ [10:11:29] * dlovins is wondering whether anybody here traveled further than from Sweden [10:11:32] ---| ---> abarrera_ [n=abarrera@vpn1-client-a36.Princeton.EDU] has joined #code4lib [10:11:32] mbklein | @predicates mjg_ mbklein [10:11:33] timmcgeary | i'd rather send beer over wireless [10:11:41] rsinger | dlovins: there is an australian [10:11:44] anarchivist | dlovins: there's a guy from australia at the next table over [10:11:45] rsinger | i think [10:11:49] MikeTaylor | BillDueber, you are of course right about the cost of time. But then don't forget that implementing a professional designer's design onto your back-end also takes time. [10:11:51] ejlynema | c4lj plug: the nat'l library of sweden folks just put out a c4lj article about the agile, user-centered design process they used when re-writing LIBRIS. [10:12:01] lbjay | kgs: you want me to lower the tripod? [10:12:01] anarchivist | swedes++ [10:12:04] anarchivist | c4lj++ [10:12:06] khatar | (and sorry but many webmasters aren't' professionnals) [10:12:09] skoczko | funny the wiki does not even mention the REST wich is much more comprehensible definiton of what the Wb really is [10:12:10] chickmarkley | dlovins:is kauai farther [10:12:13] mbklein | @reload FOAF [10:12:16] ---| ---> mib_uf20tei8 [n=46a4190c@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-53bebb53407595f7] has joined #code4lib [10:12:19] ---| <<-- abarrera [n=abarrera@wsip-70-164-25-91.ri.ri.cox.net] has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) [10:12:23] jbrinley | khatar: you want the firefox developer toolbar [10:12:24] lbjay | mbklein: nice, you killed zoia [10:12:25] ---| ---> gam [i=46a4190c@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-c494dccdee8f12c0] has joined #code4lib [10:12:27] ---| <<-- rsinger [n=rsinger@wsip-70-164-25-73.ri.ri.cox.net] has quit () [10:12:31] JodiS | as ejlynema mentions: read about LIBRIS at http://journal.code4lib.org/articles/561 [10:12:33] mbklein | She was there a minute ago! 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[10:13:24] * ecorrado catalogs library holdings using interpertive dance [10:13:24] kgs | lbjay I can do that :) I'm going to pick up the kitnkaboodle and move it behind the right projector--first ensuring it works well there [10:13:27] timmcgeary | are the presentations being filmed? [10:13:31] mbklein | @predicates mbklein mjg_ [10:13:31] zoia | mbklein: Relationships asserted by mbklein about mjg_: , [10:13:32] skoczko | it looks like everything thing that the Linked Data boils down to is a good, clean RESTful architecture [10:13:34] jrochkind100 | in sweden, catalog hacks YOU. [10:13:44] khatar | jbrinley, i want more. I want toolbar+vimperator+sorta viml langage for mappings+ kinda hypercards+ .... [10:13:44] kgs | timmcgeary only when presenters agree to be filmed [10:13:52] kgs | I think most of them agreed [10:13:55] ---| <<-- BigD [n=dfleming@dfleming-vpn.ucsd.edu] has quit (Connection timed out) [10:13:58] BillDueber | skoczko: Clean REST can get in the way of other things, though [10:13:58] dlovins | chickmarkley: quite a bit [10:14:00] timmcgeary | I wonder if I agreed [10:14:00] fak3r | hacker != cracker [10:14:00] khatar | well ... i don't nee a browser but xulrunner could be a base [10:14:01] jrochkind100 | yeah, I think there are definitey parallels between linked data philosophy and REST philosophy. [10:14:01] abarrera | apis_suck++ [10:14:04] timmcgeary | can't remember... :) [10:14:05] lbjay | skoczko: there's these things called vocabularies too [10:14:06] kgs | but we respect requests not to be filmed [10:14:08] dchud | great slide! [10:14:09] ejlynema | JodiS: thanks, trying to get there, but my connection is so terrible [10:14:13] paulalbert | slide title is in poor taste [10:14:15] MikeTaylor | apis_suck-=2 [10:14:25] mjg_ | "the website is the api"++ [10:14:30] JodiS | ejlynema: np, sorry--I'm sucking up network [10:14:31] ---| <<-- mib_uf20tei8 [n=46a4190c@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-53bebb53407595f7] has quit (Client Quit) [10:14:35] jbrinley | khatar: you want the firefox developer toolbar [10:14:45] skoczko | bill, could you elaborate? [10:14:50] JodiS | paulalbert: directness works [10:15:00] khatar | jbrinley, no: i want people to know that WWW sux! [10:15:00] ---| ---> mib_x9eiacio [i=46a4190c@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-2d09094ca41e6250] has joined #code4lib [10:15:02] edsu | apis_suck++ [10:15:06] akorphan | JodiS: Are you -really- downloading 24? [10:15:07] jbrinley | @predicates jbrinley zoia [10:15:08] lbjay | "the website is the api"++ [10:15:13] JodiS | akorphan-- [10:15:14] ---| <<-- iand [i=46a4190c@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-0f1befb2b578768f] has quit ("http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client") [10:15:15] zoia | jbrinley: Relationships asserted by jbrinley about zoia: [10:15:19] ---| ---> agd [i=46a4190c@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-c6d78c6e7ed066a3] has joined #code4lib [10:15:26] BillDueber | skoczko: Think of a catalog. A nice clean URL for an individual record doesn't allow passing any state information (about the search that got you there) in the URL [10:15:36] JodiS | akorphan: no, only every interesting webpage that gets mentioned [10:15:36] khatar | web is an api ? in java sense, yes [10:15:38] JodiS | multithreading++ [10:15:43] BillDueber | skoczko: So, you put it in a session. Which is fine until your user opens a second tab and starts searching there, too. [10:15:45] ---| ---> mib_ja5fl1rs [i=46a4190c@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-c1b6e157073cfbd1] has joined #code4lib [10:15:47] khatar | moving ... unreadable ... [10:15:47] ---| <<-- mib_x9eiacio [i=46a4190c@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-2d09094ca41e6250] has quit (Client Quit) [10:15:49] anarchivist | multithreading++ [10:15:50] ---| <--- mib_ja5fl1rs [i=46a4190c@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-c1b6e157073cfbd1] has left #code4lib () [10:15:51] khatar | changing ... [10:15:56] * jbrinley wonders if making our normal IRC clients work (rather than everyone using mibbit) would help with network congestion [10:16:00] edsu | khatar: there are http clients for other languages than java :) [10:16:10] ---| ---> mib_4ketyhi4 [i=46a4190c@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-8d96c8861232fab7] has joined #code4lib [10:16:12] mjg_ | charper++ [10:16:13] anarchivist | charper++ [10:16:14] akorphan | web_as_api++ [10:16:23] timmcgeary | 24++ [10:16:23] Kerwick | jbrinley++ [10:16:25] ---| ---> robcaSSon [i=46a4190c@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-fbc7efe59d8a7607] has joined #code4lib [10:16:31] rosy1280_ | jbrinkley able to connect to my vpn and then get on an irc client [10:16:39] khatar | edsu, yep ... that was a way for me to say "web is an api"-- [10:16:43] ---| ---> mib_fm3i56vf [i=46a4190c@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-7694fb2e9d3742f8] has joined #code4lib [10:16:50] anarchivist | robcaSSon: the naragansett's revenge [10:16:56] ---| ---> danwho [i=46a4190c@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-aaa849bf0254059b] has joined #code4lib [10:17:01] bess | BillDueber: http://blacklight.betech.virginia.edu/catalog/u685409?index=1&per_page=10&q=libraries <== a nice clean URL for an individual record that does allow passing of state information about the search that got you there. [10:17:03] skoczko | Not true, you can encode your search in the URL, it's not against RS principles it simply means that you link to "result set" resource [10:17:05] ---| <--- danwho [i=46a4190c@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-aaa849bf0254059b] has left #code4lib () [10:17:05] khatar | (an api don't change every week ... but in java) [10:17:09] robcaSSon | anarchivist: fricking goats [10:17:13] fak3r | I'm lagging big time [10:17:21] anarchivist | robcaSSon: goats on the roof of the warwick bar [10:17:23] ---| ---> dsuchy [i=46a4190c@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-33171a7ecf42d2d4] has joined #code4lib [10:17:28] fak3r | I've setup a local IRC server: connect to 10.7.55.119 [10:17:35] MikeTaylor | On the horribleness of RDF: does anyone know whether there is a widespread and universally understood representation of RDF graphs other than the super-horrible XML version? I think that would help a lot. [10:17:36] anarchivist | passing_state_in_urls-- [10:17:37] ---| ---> mpark [n=mpark@128.148.216.27] has joined #code4lib [10:17:42] akorphan | anarchivist: you went drinking in warwick, of all places? [10:17:46] anarchivist | akorphan: no [10:17:47] BillDueber | bess: It's "clean", but you end up with an infinite number of URLs that all point to the same thing. [10:18:04] ---| ---> BigD [n=dfleming@dfleming-vpn.ucsd.edu] has joined #code4lib [10:18:06] mjg_ | glass_clinking_in_the_hallway-- [10:18:09] mbklein | BillDueber: Which is where rel="canonical" comes in. [10:18:12] akorphan | anarchivist: whew. [10:18:16] BigD | i h8s the internets [10:18:23] ---| <--- gam [i=46a4190c@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-c494dccdee8f12c0] has left #code4lib () [10:18:27] anarchivist | akorphan: the cans of naragansett that robcaSSon & i and others had had this story about some bar in warwick and people putting goats on the roof [10:18:28] mbklein | mjg_: It does kinda sound like a 1903s cocktail party out there. [10:18:34] anarchivist | BigD: h8 u [10:18:35] zoia | New news from planetcode4lib: Future Archives (Bodleian Library): Odds and ends from day one of the digital lives conference || del.icio.us: Genealogy of Charles Darwin - Freebase || Chudnov, Dan: code4lib 2009 talk on caching and proxying linked data : , [10:19:34] charper | n3++ [10:19:37] mbklein | @foaf zoia interest [10:19:38] anarchivist | n3++ [10:19:39] zoia | mbklein: zoia : , [10:19:41] MikeTaylor | The heading is the only bit I could read from back here., [10:19:43] BigD | real RDF is always unreadable on a screen [10:19:47] anarchivist | @foaf anarchivist interest [10:19:48] zoia | anarchivist: anarchivist : , , , , , , , , (1 more message) [10:19:57] robcaSSon | mjg_+- [10:20:01] ---| ---> ksdrake [i=46a4190c@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-d6a9b36d0aa9f616] has joined #code4lib [10:20:01] gsf | fak3r: port 6667? [10:20:01] edsu | MikeTaylor: ok [10:20:11] BigD | cake's done [10:20:12] timmcgeary | that was a weak bell [10:20:14] fak3r | gsf: should be default... [10:20:15] ---| <<-- g8tor [i=46a4190c@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-cce396a9a6b1b09f] has quit ("http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client") [10:20:20] mjg_ | MORE COWBELL [10:20:26] BigD | should we play the crickets? [10:20:27] lbjay | I SAID DING! [10:20:28] akorphan | MORE CUPFORK [10:20:38] timmcgeary | mjg++ [10:20:39] JodiS | no plug for c4l article :( [10:20:41] fak3r | yes, 6667 port [10:20:44] gsf | fak3r: got a 400 bad request [10:20:52] akorphan | ejlynema++ [10:20:53] mbklein | @quote add I SAID DING! [10:20:54] zoia | mbklein: The operation succeeded. Quote #1721 added. [10:20:54] ecorrado | we need a big huge gong [10:20:57] ---| <<-- mhs_uva [i=46a4190c@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-f763eea60ffc6238] has quit ("http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client") [10:21:11] anarchivist | s/gong/bong [10:21:12] BigD | ecorrado: gong or bong? [10:21:12] ---| <<-- abarrera_ [n=abarrera@vpn1-client-a36.Princeton.EDU] has quit (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) [10:21:15] ---| <<-- mib_fm3i56vf [i=46a4190c@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-7694fb2e9d3742f8] has quit (Client Quit) [10:21:15] ---| <<-- mib_wnb20jqr [i=46a4190c@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-f063bba81d1eddb8] has quit ("http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client") [10:21:16] JodiS | jrochkind: is their blog in the planet? [10:21:16] BillDueber | ecorrado: And Nipsy Russel to hit it. [10:21:17] timmcgeary | synch cup+fork? [10:21:22] BigD | c4l2010Amsterdam! [10:21:27] anarchivist | nipsey++ [10:21:28] JodiS | jrockind: http://blog.libris.kb.se/semweb/ [10:21:30] ecorrado | BigD: I'm not Michael Phelps [10:21:32] mbklein | JodiS: There was a request-to-add yesterday [10:21:36] mjg_ | Anders' accent makes me think he can kill a man in under four seconds. [10:21:36] miker_ | ^G [10:21:37] paulalbert | [10:21:38] abarrera | BigD++ [10:21:46] JodiS | great talk! [10:21:48] ---| <<-- abrin [n=adam@wsip-70-164-25-111.ri.ri.cox.net] has quit () [10:21:53] ---| ---> LibraryThingTim [n=Abby@170.sub-75-223-202.myvzw.com] has joined #code4lib [10:21:58] JodiS | mbklein: yup, that was me :) [10:21:59] mbklein | ecorrado: Which means you don't have a big fat endorsement contract to lose. Hit it! [10:22:04] akorphan | ibahn-- [10:22:10] mbklein | JodiS++ PERSISTENCE!!!! [10:22:11] ecorrado | mbklein: true [10:22:15] ecorrado | coffee++ [10:22:17] ---| <<-- ksdrake [i=46a4190c@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-d6a9b36d0aa9f616] has quit (Client Quit) [10:22:19] ---| <<-- charper [i=46a4190c@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-250ecac2f1e91bd7] has quit ("http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client") [10:22:20] gsf | ibahn: open 6667! [10:22:26] ---| <<-- ethomsen [i=46a4190c@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-4c922160f0bdb49b] has quit ("http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client") [10:22:29] anarchivist | robcaSSon: where are you sitting [10:22:31] JodiS | MikeTaylor: n3 : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Notation3 [10:22:31] BigD | free irc! [10:22:33] khatar | miker_, mike [10:22:34] mjg_ | iBahn: the inverse autobahn of slowness. [10:22:36] fak3r | not sure - I ws able to login...standby [10:22:46] khatar | ICQ [10:23:12] akorphan | iBahn is perpendicular to the autobahn on the imaginary axis. [10:23:13] gsf | mjg++ [10:23:16] khatar | how to find mike ? [10:23:18] ---| ---> emcrens [n=eric@wsip-70-184-233-44.ks.ks.cox.net] has joined #code4lib [10:23:32] jbrinley | hmm, vpn doesn't help me [10:23:49] pmurray | @foaf pmurray [10:23:50] zoia | pmurray: (foaf ) -- Returns the objects of the given predicate in the given nick's FOAF. [10:23:55] miker_ | khatar: front left of the room [10:24:00] pmurray | @foaf pmurray homepage [10:24:01] zoia | pmurray: I don't know pmurray's URI. [10:24:16] ---| <<-- cschx [i=46a4190c@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-dfaef138ee14d6ee] has quit ("http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client") [10:24:25] mjg_ | I wonder if they have bacon out there. [10:24:29] akorphan | bacon++ [10:24:37] wickr | mjg_: sorry [10:25:11] dsuchy | did someone say bacon? [10:25:22] akorphan | There's only one thing that smells like bacon, and that's bacon! [10:25:41] mbklein | ibahn is transparently proxying high ports. Clients THINK they can connect, but then get bad data when they try to log into Freenode. [10:25:50] * mbklein blows the smoke off the packet sniffer and puts it away. [10:25:50] ---| ---> cschx [i=46a4190c@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-48538a10abc296d2] has joined #code4lib [10:26:15] ---| ---> rsinger [n=rsinger@wsip-70-164-25-73.ri.ri.cox.net] has joined #code4lib [10:26:17] ---| <<-- cazzerson [i=46a4190c@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-010b76aee8ee72fe] has quit ("http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client") [10:26:34] ---| <<-- wtd [n=chatzill@wsip-70-164-25-78.ri.ri.cox.net] has quit (Remote closed the connection) [10:26:51] robcaSSon | anarchivist: back corner [10:27:20] MikeTaylor | I am scheduled to do a Lightning Talk and would appreciate some feedback on what would be most interesting. I have four candidates that I am considering. [10:27:56] ---| ---> jdatema [n=jdatema@static-70-19-124-168.ny325.east.verizon.net] has joined #code4lib [10:28:06] akorphan | If 150,000 answers are provided to genderizer per month [10:28:06] akorphan | and there are 4 billion people who have been written about on the internet [10:28:06] akorphan | it'll only take 2,200 years to genderize everyone. [10:28:30] mcdonald | Why is OCLC calling their stuff grid services when you know they will change the name to cloud services any day? [10:29:09] MikeTaylor | One is about pazpar2, an open-source metasearch engine that presents a WS API and is pretty easy to make front-ends for. One is the Torus, a translucent record store which is handy for allowing local autonomy in viewing stores of centrally maintained records. One is on what publishers are actually FOR in this day and age and whether/how they can survive. And one is on why the Brontosaurus skeleton in the YPM is not [10:29:21] MikeTaylor | Anyone have a preference? [10:29:41] ---| <<-- rsinger [n=rsinger@wsip-70-164-25-73.ri.ri.cox.net] has quit (Client Quit) [10:29:55] MikeTaylor | Evidently rsinger doesn't like the sound of any of them. [10:30:18] ---| <<-- dsuchy [i=46a4190c@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-33171a7ecf42d2d4] has quit ("http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client") [10:30:18] ---| <<-- cdc [i=46a4190c@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-9bd7259e7562063e] has quit ("http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client") [10:30:32] MikeTaylor | Jeez, everyone hates all my talks. [10:30:48] wickr | MikeTaylor: don't take network issues personal [10:31:03] akorphan | and don't bring personal issues to the network? [10:31:07] mcdonald | 1 pazpar2 2 what publishers 3 torus 4 brontosaurus [10:31:13] akorphan | (??) [10:31:16] wickr | MikeTaylor: Torus I haven't heard mentioned at all [10:31:18] ---| <<-- bess [i=46a4190c@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-72024b7c49c498a4] has quit ("http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client") [10:31:18] ---| <<-- dchud [i=46a4190c@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-915a719647ba964d] has quit ("http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client") [10:31:20] ejk | Is my nametag sacrosanct or can I write my twitter nic on it? [10:31:24] wickr | so that might be nice to hear about [10:31:27] dhanu | 1 vote for pazpar2 [10:31:28] wickr | ejk: go for it [10:31:41] MikeTaylor | Torus has never been mentioned before. So far we've just been using it internally, but it has wider applicability. [10:31:43] mcdonald | at all real unconferences people put their twitter nic on their tag [10:32:07] jbrinley | ejk: it is your nametag, do what you will [10:32:18] ---| <<-- robcaSSon [i=46a4190c@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-fbc7efe59d8a7607] has quit ("http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client") [10:32:18] ---| <<-- timmcgeary [i=46a4190c@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-6a5f2a5914373162] has quit ("http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client") [10:32:19] ---| <<-- cschx [i=46a4190c@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-48538a10abc296d2] has quit ("http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client") [10:32:50] ejk | done, thanks [10:33:10] skoczko | well we have mentioned the Torus on ALA [10:33:29] skoczko | only few librarian ladies were there though :) [10:33:37] akorphan | ejk: except, it'll explode if you do that. [10:34:06] ejk | akorphan: oh frak! [10:34:29] * jbrinley stands back from ejk [10:34:43] fak3r | gsf: can you try 6668? [10:36:32] fak3r | gsf: cancel that, try 8080 (that should be open across the board here) [10:36:47] MikeTaylor | In tribute to the classic 8-bit chip? [10:36:59] fak3r | I'm running ircd locally, let me know if you can hit it: 10.7.55.119 port 8080 room #code4lib [10:37:14] ---| ---> ksdrake [i=46a4190c@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-6d285a49704d5e8b] has joined #code4lib [10:38:11] kgs | miker_ what's your 20 [10:38:50] jbrinley | fak3r: I get "Connection failed. Error: An operation was attempted on something that is not a socket" [10:39:25] miker_ | kgs:frontleft corner table [10:39:28] ---| ---> timmcgeary [i=46a4190c@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-4b5956969e991dd6] has joined #code4lib [10:40:17] ---| ---> mib_lgcwm0 [i=896e021b@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-25011651faad2280] has joined #code4lib [10:40:34] ---| ---> mib_wnb20jqr [i=46a4190c@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-f9281a496ef9f9a0] has joined #code4lib [10:40:41] ---| ---> cdc [i=46a4190c@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-cd641272e4c3061b] has joined #code4lib [10:40:51] cbeer | fak3r: looks like the same proxy problem as with freenode [10:41:00] ---| <<-- jdatema [n=jdatema@static-70-19-124-168.ny325.east.verizon.net] has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) [10:41:05] ---| ---> jdatema [n=jdatema@static-70-19-124-168.ny325.east.verizon.net] has joined #code4lib [10:41:11] ---| <<-- rahneej [i=46a4190c@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-0adddf453711d542] has quit ("http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client") [10:41:12] timmcgeary | when did ross grow a beard? [10:41:15] kgs | miker_++ # thanks [10:41:26] ---| ---> g8tor [i=46a4190c@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-dfb0ec821e2c1ca4] has joined #code4lib [10:41:29] dbs | timmcgeary: it's just glued on with spirit gum [10:41:30] BigD | you call that a beard? [10:41:31] ---| ---> wtd [n=chatzill@wsip-70-164-25-78.ri.ri.cox.net] has joined #code4lib [10:41:31] dhanu | font size is too small in the presentation [10:41:33] ---| <--- mib_lgcwm0 [i=896e021b@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-25011651faad2280] has left #code4lib () [10:41:34] JodiS | rsinger's slides are really faint. or is it just me? [10:41:37] kat3 | timmcgeary: ten minutes ago [10:41:41] LibraryThingT | faint [10:41:41] kat3 | i like the font [10:41:44] timmcgeary | ok, a justin timberlake "beard" [10:41:46] ecorrado | timmcgeary: he lives in the mountains of TN, he has to have a bear. It is a requirement [10:41:51] ecorrado | beard [10:41:53] ---| ---> dchud [i=46a4190c@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-1f07eb53adf85841] has joined #code4lib [10:41:56] BigD | green on green [10:41:58] emcrens | The font may be nice... but we're in the back! lol [10:42:11] ---| ---> cazzerson [i=46a4190c@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-d3f80127692dd2db] has joined #code4lib [10:42:12] dchud | big fonts! high contrast! [10:42:13] ---| ---> charper [i=46a4190c@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-f46f1096363340df] has joined #code4lib [10:42:16] JodiS | MikeTaylor: I'd lie to hear about publishers [10:42:19] timmcgeary | too many TLAs [10:42:20] LibraryThingT | Acronym hell: "DLF ILS-DI API" [10:42:20] ---| <<-- ksclarke_web [i=46a4190c@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-6393c6b4f851a4ed] has quit ("http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client") [10:42:27] ---| ---> bess [i=46a4190c@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-ff9266d6415e7234] has joined #code4lib [10:42:35] ---| ---> robcaSSon [i=46a4190c@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-1abfffa618aac25f] has joined #code4lib [10:42:35] timmcgeary | ecorrado++ [10:42:35] ---| ---> taco [i=46a4190c@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-659a7f0045cfa6b9] has joined #code4lib [10:42:36] mbklein | @ana dlf ils di api [10:42:37] zoia | mbklein: Did if a spill [10:42:42] akorphan | TDM-TLA-- [10:42:47] ---| <<-- taco [i=46a4190c@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-659a7f0045cfa6b9] has quit (Client Quit) [10:42:48] kat3 | ecorrado: you're required to have a beard in TN too [10:42:50] emcrens | Does anyone know if these presentations are going to be made available for download? [10:42:51] kat3 | *bear [10:42:55] Kerwick | TLA-- FLEA-- [10:42:55] jrochkind100 | ross++ for speaking engagingly [10:42:57] ---| ---> taco [i=46a4190c@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-a8cf5e3681daa225] has joined #code4lib [10:43:06] * lbjay moves his knight to E3 on rsinger's sweater [10:43:06] akorphan | taco-cat ++ [10:43:11] jbrinley | emcrens: eventually linked from the conference page [10:43:12] LibraryThingT | Taco: I love you. [10:43:13] gsf | jrochkind100: he was a theatre major, you know [10:43:15] dchud | emcrens: over time people will probably link their slides from the schedule page at code4lib.org [10:43:15] mbklein | jbrinley: I signed us up for a lightning talk on zoia's knew FOAF capabilities. You have been warned. [10:43:17] emcrens | kk. Thanks [10:43:18] BigD | lbjay: check [10:43:20] JodiS | emcrends: they should get linked from http://code4lib.org/conference/2009/schedule [10:43:23] timmcgeary | kat3: are bears required to have beards? [10:43:27] skoczko | Go AtomPub! [10:43:29] ---| <<-- cazzerson [i=46a4190c@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-d3f80127692dd2db] has quit (Client Quit) [10:43:30] jbrinley | mbklein++ [10:43:32] mbklein | gsf: I was a musical theatre major. Should I sing my lightning talk? [10:43:34] ---| ---> dansuchy [i=46a4190c@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-c898b6c63ff387d2] has joined #code4lib [10:43:37] kat3 | timmcgeary: yes, they use rogaine [10:43:39] lbjay | mbklein: YES [10:43:40] * ecorrado wants to take an acting class.... I think it will help public speaking [10:43:41] JodiS | mbklein: the "knew" capabilities :) [10:43:46] gsf | mbklein: you have to ask? [10:43:47] timmcgeary | enthusiasm++ [10:43:48] JodiS | ecorrado: join toastmasters. more direct [10:43:48] ---| ---> phil___ [n=phil@chavez.cryer.us] has joined #code4lib [10:43:51] mbklein | JodiS-- boo [10:43:52] jbrinley | mbklein: you want to talk while I provide the visuals? [10:43:53] Kerwick | tmmcgeary: unless they are bear naked [10:43:58] ecorrado | gray_font-- [10:44:00] dansuchy | somebody got my bacon hopes up. now im crushed. [10:44:01] ---| <<-- fak3r [i=46a4190c@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-207328b35bca9dee] has quit ("http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client") [10:44:02] jbrinley | mbklein: you probably know a lot more about it than me at this point [10:44:08] ---| User: *** phil___ is now known as fak3r [10:44:11] timmcgeary | Kerwick++ [10:44:13] JodiS | AtomPub is another way of looking "one context up". REALLY like that design metaphor, from anders [10:44:14] mbklein | jbrinley: Sure. We can script it a little bit later on. [10:44:14] anarchivist | bears++ [10:44:16] BigD | dansuchy: you made it! [10:44:27] lbjay | @sing DLF-ILS : API [10:44:29] edsu | mjgiarlo: might not need those slides now :) [10:44:33] zoia | lbjay: No lyrics for API by DLF-ILS. Searched lyricwiki & lyricsty [10:44:35] ---| ---> was [i=46a4190c@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-d36bd60876eeb866] has joined #code4lib [10:44:36] mbklein | We need a @bacon that works like @bartender [10:45:01] ---| ---> mib_oioo7vgg [i=46a4190c@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-5bf51cbf2b17ae7d] has joined #code4lib [10:45:09] mbklein | @bartender [10:45:12] * zoia fills a pint glass with Boon Framboise, and sends it sliding down the bar to mbklein (http://beeradvocate.com/beer/profile/47/2427/) [10:45:16] * kat3 joy spasm at the sight of wordpress/drupal/atompub on one slide [10:45:20] mbklein | Ew. Fruity beer. [10:45:22] mbklein | zoia-- [10:45:25] MikeTaylor | Bears are scary. At the YPM yesterday I walked past the museum boardroom and the door happened to be open, in there I saw a stuffed bear, in a rearing position, and I swear that baby was nine feet tall. It must be a truly terrifying place to have budget meetings. [10:45:26] anarchivist | kat3++ [10:45:30] anarchivist | drupal++ [10:45:31] dchud | joyspasm4lib [10:45:33] akorphan | lambic++ [10:45:40] ---| <<-- jdatema [n=jdatema@static-70-19-124-168.ny325.east.verizon.net] has quit (Client Quit) [10:45:54] ---| ---> jdatema [n=jdatema@static-70-19-124-168.ny325.east.verizon.net] has joined #code4lib [10:45:54] taco | drupal++ ++ [10:45:56] timmcgeary | lambic++ (so my wife will drink beer with me) [10:46:02] jfereira | belgian beer++ [10:46:14] MikeTaylor | For those of you preparing talks: will you PLEASE use bigger fonts than the presenters so far have used. [10:46:17] mbklein | @known rsinger [10:46:18] zoia | mbklein: I don't know rsinger's URI [10:46:28] fak3r | *bold text* [10:46:32] akorphan | good_seats++ [10:46:35] dhanu | and high contrast colours [10:46:40] Kerwick | opera glasses++ [10:46:51] kat3 | what was the third item? [10:47:04] anarchivist | kat3: actors [10:47:08] jfereira | black font, yellow bg, for mine [10:47:11] gsf | fak3r: still no luck at 8080 [10:47:12] BigD | kat3: fire [10:47:14] mbklein | @know rsinger http://dilettantes.code4lib.org/about-me/#me [10:47:15] zoia | mbklein: rsinger's URI is now [10:47:20] JodiS | MikeTaylor: next time take a picture! [10:47:20] BigD | i am the Fifth Element [10:47:21] ---| <<-- was [i=46a4190c@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-d36bd60876eeb866] has quit (Client Quit) [10:47:24] mbklein | @knows mbklein rsinger [10:47:26] zoia | mbklein: An error has occurred and has been logged. Please contact this bot's administrator for more information. [10:47:28] zoia | New news from planetcode4lib: Future Archives (Bodleian Library): Shoot those files! [10:47:33] dchud | royt: maybe you could encourage big fonts and high contrast color schemes to future speakers? [10:47:42] kat3 | anarchivist: thanks [10:47:43] JodiS | mbklein: can you talk about plugin-writing in general in your talk? (Or maybe somebody else can do that one?) [10:47:53] kat3 | you too BigD [10:47:55] mbklein | @knows mbklein rsinger [10:47:58] zoia | mbklein: An error has occurred and has been logged. Please contact this bot's administrator for more information. [10:48:01] * ecorrado looks at his slides and sees 28pt font [10:48:07] timmcgeary | minimum font point size recommendation? I'll edit my slides for tomorrow [10:48:13] jfereira | there's your color contrast [10:48:19] mbklein | Oh, it's the RDFa thing again. Please hold. [10:48:23] dhanu | cant read the green box [10:48:28] akorphan | dark_blue_on_black-- [10:48:37] fak3r | gsf: sorry, not sure what's u, nmap doesn't show the port open, so that explains it, but don't see why [10:48:42] jbrinley | JodiS: it's a lightning talk, probably not much time to spend on preliminaries [10:48:45] mbklein | Yeah, *this* is what's hard to read. :) [10:48:48] akorphan | json_bracket_headache-- [10:48:50] BigD | too bad you guys are sitting in the back [10:48:55] BigD | these slide are AWESOME [10:48:58] JodiS | jbrinley: ok, but I want *SOMEBODY* to talk about plugin writing [10:49:06] * jtgorman sighs [10:49:11] emcrens | Bah... underachievers always sit in the back... lol [10:49:12] JodiS | ditto on wanting font recs [10:49:15] jrochkind100 | just generic 'plugin writing'? That's like having a talk about programming. [10:49:20] fak3r | gsf: will try again in a bit, for now SSH -> home server and irssi from there is working better than mibbit [10:49:22] ---| <<-- ejlynema [i=46a4190c@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-34adcc36e5f41a59] has quit ("http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client") [10:49:28] BigD | i got in here at 4:30 am [10:49:29] jtgorman | part of the training for one of our things is supposed to be that it will be down early morning, just like the rest of our system... [10:49:34] jtgorman | :P [10:49:38] BigD | just so i could read these slides from the front [10:49:40] * BLTnoTomato is getting closer and closer to do the Happy Dance as I start putting things in drupal for "testing" :) [10:49:42] cbarr | follow the 10/20/30 rule for ppt presentations: http://blog.guykawasaki.com/2005/12/the_102030_rule.html [10:49:58] JodiS | jrochkind100: there's context of supybot. and context of breaksalot [10:49:58] gsf | fak3r: that's what i'm doing as well [10:49:59] jbrinley | JodiS: here's the summary: find a plugin that does something similar to what you want, copy it, and make a few small changes [10:50:00] BigD | what's up with mibbit not showing the server pulldown? [10:50:07] gsf | fabthough there is lag [10:50:07] BigD | trying to get brad into irc [10:50:08] robcaSSon | json++ [10:50:11] jfereira | guykawasaki++ [10:50:19] anarchivist | BigD: uh oh [10:50:24] JodiS | jbrinley: ok, sure, but, pull it down from WHERE? and then share it with WHOM? [10:50:33] * jtgorman should have put the warning on the stupid webapps in the first place regardless of what the managers/etc/other folks thought [10:50:35] Kerwick | BigD: I had to refresh a few times and wait... [10:50:37] * JodiS wants a wiki page if not a talk [10:50:37] lbjay | @dunno add this is probably really hard to read, but 中古漢語 [10:50:38] zoia | lbjay: The operation succeeded. Dunno #299 added. [10:50:41] BigD | that's aright anarchivist, he'll know you for the buttwad u r [10:50:44] JodiS | looked up at slides, but made my eyes hurt :( [10:50:46] jbrinley | JodiS: http://svn.breaksalot.org/supybot-plugins/plugins/ [10:50:47] cbeer | fak3r: why not an ssh tunnel? [10:50:48] BigD | Kerwick: thanks [10:50:48] anarchivist | BigD++ [10:50:50] ---| <--- jstroop [i=46a4190c@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-d1cf43aff1602c1e] has left #code4lib () [10:50:59] jbrinley | JodiS: ask jsf for a password if you want to commit [10:51:07] LibraryThingT | In the future WHOM will be a valid SQL phrase. [10:51:09] jbrinley | JodiS: s/jsf/gsf/ [10:51:13] JodiS | jbrinley: I want EVERYONE to know. [10:51:13] gsf | fak3r: though there is lag [10:51:23] timmcgeary | cheating++ [10:51:24] JodiS | jbrinley: and I've never written a bot plugin, so I haven't got the faintest clue [10:51:32] * ecorrado is using a 20/20/28 rule [10:51:34] dchud | big fonts! color contrast! hide yer toolbars! [10:51:42] JodiS | does white on black work better, do you think? (thinking about slides for tomorrow) [10:51:46] wtd | WHOM and WHENCE. [10:51:47] dansuchy | wait- there are slides? heh [10:51:58] * ecorrado may change that though, since I didn't finish my presentation yet [10:52:04] BigD | one letter per slide [10:52:07] robcaSSon | presenters: but stay in-channel [10:52:08] dchud | LibraryThingTim: in the future HUH will be a valid SQL datatype [10:52:09] kgs | why not WHILST? [10:52:11] ---| <<-- adickmeiss [i=46a4190c@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-e1c68661349822f0] has quit ("http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client") [10:52:13] lbjay | BigD++ [10:52:14] Kerwick | JodiS: I tend to go with black text on white background [10:52:19] akorphan | Black on white isn't bad, but stroke width and font size are important. [10:52:23] ---| <<-- ksdrake [i=46a4190c@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-6d285a49704d5e8b] has quit ("http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client") [10:52:23] ---| ---> ejlynema [i=46a4190c@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-a10034487a76164f] has joined #code4lib [10:52:32] BigD | akorphan: that's what she said [10:52:35] lbjay | @wordstats add font [10:52:36] zoia | lbjay: The operation succeeded. [10:52:37] ---| ---> jstroop [n=jstroop@lib-staff579.Princeton.EDU] has joined #code4lib [10:52:38] jbrinley | light grey on lighter grey [10:52:39] wtd | Or in programming: whensoever (num > 1) { print "foo" } [10:52:46] LibraryThingT | What does ++ mean in IRC. Is that when we drink? [10:52:50] JodiS | whensoever++ [10:52:56] JodiS | LibraryThingTim: it's karma [10:52:59] JodiS | @karma [10:52:59] wickr | those slashes look nasty [10:53:00] zoia | JodiS: Highest karma: "edsu" (1062), "mjgiarlo" (1051), and "dbs" (855). Lowest karma: "iii" (-163), "sirsidynix" (-72), and "-" (-54). You (JodiS) are ranked 26 out of 8139. [10:53:00] timmcgeary | karma [10:53:05] jbrinley | LibraryThingTim: ++ adds to your karma, -- takes it away [10:53:07] jfereira | ++ = CUP+FORK [10:53:12] jbrinley | @karma LibraryThingTim [10:53:12] gsf | JodiS: red text on black background [10:53:12] zoia | jbrinley: LibraryThingTim has neutral karma. [10:53:15] ecorrado | @karma [10:53:16] akorphan | CUPFORK++ [10:53:17] zoia | ecorrado: Highest karma: "edsu" (1062), "mjgiarlo" (1051), and "dbs" (855). Lowest karma: "iii" (-163), "sirsidynix" (-72), and "-" (-54). You (ecorrado) are ranked 30 out of 8139. [10:53:18] anarchivist | LibraryThingTim: it's worshipping the ghost of vannevar bush [10:53:22] timmcgeary | @karma [10:53:22] gsf | JodiS: metal font [10:53:23] zoia | timmcgeary: Highest karma: "edsu" (1062), "mjgiarlo" (1051), and "dbs" (855). Lowest karma: "iii" (-163), "sirsidynix" (-72), and "-" (-54). You (timmcgeary) are ranked 343 out of 8140. [10:53:23] wtd | librarythingtim++ [10:53:25] bess | LibraryThingTim++ # for the book covers! [10:53:33] JodiS | akorphan & Kerwick: thanks, will check the font size etc [10:53:35] ecorrado | @karma ecorrado [10:53:36] zoia | ecorrado: Karma for "ecorrado" has been increased 136 times and decreased 12 times for a total karma of 124. [10:53:37] skoczko | OK, jangle looked fine util I saw different URLs for the same resource with diff representation (marc, mods)_ [10:53:42] wtd | librarythingtim++ # For the OCLC logo [10:53:45] jbrinley | @karma LibraryThing [10:53:45] kgs | LibraryThingTim you can even have a kind of plus-minus +- [10:53:46] zoia | jbrinley: Karma for "LibraryThing" has been increased 4 times and decreased 0 times for a total karma of 4. [10:53:50] abarrera | LibraryThingTim: i prefer it to be when we drink [10:53:53] skoczko | why not simply use the Content-Type header? [10:54:02] MikeTaylor | Can anything be done about zoia? [10:54:11] JodiS | @insult zoia [10:54:12] zoia | zoia: You are nothing but a mangled mound of foul seagull. [10:54:13] anarchivist | kobold_chieftain++ [10:54:13] timmcgeary | @bartender [10:54:17] * zoia fills a pint glass with Redhook IPA, and sends it sliding down the bar to timmcgeary (http://beeradvocate.com/beer/profile/1330/70) [10:54:26] skoczko | that;s retarded [10:54:29] lbjay | @eightball can anything be done about you? [10:54:30] zoia | lbjay: No chance. [10:54:33] BillDueber | "just needs search" [10:54:34] timmcgeary | I haven't had Redhook in a long time... nice memories [10:54:35] lbjay | zoia++ [10:54:45] gsf | skoczko: ask that conneg question [10:54:48] robcaSSon | kochief++ [10:54:54] anarchivist | kochief++ [10:54:54] ---| ---> cwulfman [n=user@lib-staff900.Princeton.EDU] has joined #code4lib [10:55:00] LibraryThingT | That's fairly crazy, IMHO. Mechanization of social processes impoverish. But, I should hold off criticism as a newbie. [10:55:22] dbs | kochief? [10:55:22] JodiS | want to share anders' slides with somebody... wish they were up already at http://code4lib.org/conference/2009/schedule [10:55:26] bess | rsinger++ [10:55:33] JodiS | dbs: missing your presence [10:55:33] * ecorrado thinks his slides would be great if he uses white on white [10:55:43] JodiS | ecorrado-- [10:55:45] lbjay | JodiS++ # grind us down [10:56:07] BigD | dbs: even I miss you. not much. maybe a little. [10:56:17] akorphan | @karma bacon [10:56:18] zoia | akorphan: Karma for "bacon" has been increased 30 times and decreased 3 times for a total karma of 27. [10:56:24] dbs | aww, BigD++ JodiS++ [10:56:25] ecorrado | @sing deadmilkman i believe in swordfish [10:56:28] zoia | ecorrado: No songs found by deadmilkman i believe in swordfish [10:56:31] BillDueber | OK. Who the hell decreased karma for bacon????? [10:56:44] kgs | the OPACsphere! [10:56:47] robcaSSon | @ana rsinger is the community [10:56:49] zoia | robcaSSon: Snoutish, meriting mercy [10:56:54] dbs | @sing dead milkmen : i believe in swordfish [10:56:55] ecorrado | @sing deadmilkman [10:56:56] dchud | JodiS: i will mention to Anders... am sitting next to him [10:56:58] zoia | dbs: No lyrics for i believe in swordfish by dead milkmen. Searched lyricwiki & lyricsty [10:56:58] zoia | ecorrado: No songs found by deadmilkman [10:57:00] JodiS | dchud++ [10:57:02] lbjay | edsu: do you have a google map api key for inkdroid? [10:57:06] jtgorman | maybe some folks think talking about bacon all the time is a boar [10:57:07] miker_ | spherepac? [10:57:10] taco | swordfish = 132112789371289738912 bit encryption [10:57:11] dchud | BillDueber: probably me [10:57:17] ecorrado | @sing the deadmilkman : swordfish [10:57:19] gsf | dbs: kochief [10:57:19] mbklein | faster++ [10:57:22] edsu | lbjay: i don't but i could [10:57:22] kat3 | rsinger: breathe! [10:57:24] ---| <<-- ejlynema [i=46a4190c@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-a10034487a76164f] has quit ("http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client") [10:57:28] zoia | ecorrado: No lyrics for swordfish by the deadmilkman. Searched lyricwiki & lyricsty [10:57:48] ecorrado | @sing the dead milk man [10:57:49] zoia | ecorrado: No songs found by the dead milk man [10:57:59] * ecorrado gives up [10:58:02] ecorrado | zoia-- [10:58:34] dansuchy | i'll give a dollar to anyone who gets up and beatboxes into that mic [10:58:35] mjg_ | @sing the dead milkmen : takin' retards to the zoo [10:58:37] fak3r | what we need is; more TLAs and more standards [10:58:40] zoia | It's a boring day - I've got nothing to do / Except to get a load of retards and drive 'em to the zoo / Oh oh oh takin' retards to the zoo (x2) / Load 'em on a bus just for laughs [10:58:40] dhanu | is it possible for the presenters to mail the slideshow to the mailing list just before the presentation? [10:58:45] miker_ | dbs: janglechief [10:59:02] mbklein | @reload FOAF [10:59:03] zoia | mbklein: The operation succeeded. [10:59:05] kat3 | ecorrado: The Dead Milkmen, i think? [10:59:05] MrDys | edge_cases-- [10:59:06] anarchivist | dhanu: not me; my presentation is a 60 MB pdf [10:59:12] mjg_ | zoia++ [10:59:13] dhanu | oops [10:59:15] dhanu | :) [10:59:18] rosy1280_ | lunch++ [10:59:21] mbklein | @knows mbklein rsinger [10:59:24] zoia | mbklein: mbklein knows rsinger, but rsinger does not know mbklein. [10:59:37] mbklein | @list foaf [10:59:38] zoia | mbklein: foaf, forget, know, known, knows, and predicates [10:59:42] ecorrado | @sing the dead milkmen : swordfish [10:59:44] MikeTaylor | Is an API the opposite of an IPA? That would explain why everyone is saying that APIs suck. [10:59:44] zoia | Some people believe in astrology / Others believe in technology / Some people believe in all those "ologies" / But I believe in swordfish [10:59:47] mbklein | @foaf rsinger interest [10:59:50] zoia | mbklein: rsinger : , , , , , [10:59:51] * bess is thinking about a jangle plugin for omeka [10:59:53] jrochkind100 | First we get rid of the edge cases, then we get rid of the users, and everything will be so much simpler. [10:59:56] ---| ---> mib_iv76i6 [i=896e021b@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-bcdcd8f6be4bb2f1] has joined #code4lib [11:00:09] ---| <<-- robcaSSon [i=46a4190c@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-1abfffa618aac25f] has quit ("mibbit.com: too laggy") [11:00:11] akorphan | 90-90 rule ftw [11:00:15] anarchivist | ugh, omeka [11:00:17] skoczko | I like both APIs and IPAs [11:00:19] jrochkind100 | I still don't entirely understand what I need to do to create a jangle connector. [11:00:22] escowles | swordfish lyrics: http://leoslyrics.com/listlyrics.php?hid=Z9L507L9t6U%3D [11:00:23] jrochkind100 | Yes, breakout session. [11:00:24] ecorrado | jangle_breakout++ [11:00:25] ---| <<-- g8tor [i=46a4190c@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-dfb0ec821e2c1ca4] has quit ("http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client") [11:00:29] LibraryThingT | It'd be nice if libraryland had some APIs. Then they could suck. [11:00:29] MikeTaylor | jrochkind100: are you the guy who was trying to find a way to express DC Type in an OpenURL? [11:00:32] anarchivist | BREAKOUT YO JANGLE [11:00:36] kat3 | rsinger++ #awesome awesome! [11:00:38] rjw | angle_breakout++ [11:00:46] JodiS | exactly on time, thanks to rsinger's speedy delivery. rsinger++ [11:00:47] BillDueber | rsinger++ [11:00:48] dhanu | ++ "jangle plugin for omeka" [11:00:53] akorphan | the angle of the jangle is inversely proportional to the ongle of the dongle. [11:01:00] edsu | LibraryThingTim: see also MikeTaylor [11:01:04] anarchivist | puppies++ [11:01:09] JodiS | dhanu: or just post it up on http://code4lib.org/conference/2009/schedule at that time, to save our mailboxes from the overload [11:01:13] timmcgeary | rsinger++ [11:01:14] paulalbert | not ejecting the device properly-- [11:01:18] jbrinley | edsu: any idea why zoia isn't included in the LOD-attendees list? [11:01:18] timmcgeary | jangle_breakout++ [11:01:22] akorphan | paulalbert: that's what she said. [11:01:22] ---| ---> cschx [i=46a4190c@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-cfbe9ebe746c8580] has joined #code4lib [11:01:35] abarrera | akorphan++ [11:01:36] fak3r | oh, canada [11:01:44] dhanu | yeap, a link to the slideshow would be better [11:01:48] timmcgeary | akorphan: beat me to it [11:02:06] akorphan | slideshows_on_wiki++ [11:02:10] harmless | @karma canada [11:02:10] zoia | harmless: Karma for "canada" has been increased 7 times and decreased 3 times for a total karma of 4. [11:02:12] jrochkind100 | miketaylor: yeah, that was me. openurl-- [11:02:13] edsu | jbrinley: does zoia's uri resolve? [11:02:24] paulalbert | akorphan: that [11:02:26] bess | canada++ [11:02:37] ecorrado | canada_geese-- [11:02:38] paulalbert | akorphan: that's what she said montage http://showhype.com/video/every_single_thats_what_she_said_from_the_office/ [11:02:39] dhanu | slideshows_on_wiki b4 the presentation ++ :) [11:02:43] LibraryThingT | APIs++ [11:02:58] miker_ | bess: indeed [11:03:03] akorphan | one_API_to_rule_them_all++ [11:03:05] MikeTaylor | I think OpenURL 0.1 was a fine example of a specification said just enough to be very usefu; and 1.0 is an example of one that says much too much to useful. [11:03:15] bess | are there two break out sessions? [11:03:24] jbrinley | edsu: yes [11:03:24] jbrinley | edsu: http://www.code4lib.org/id/zoia [11:03:29] bess | I mean, two time slots? or only one? [11:03:34] timmcgeary | one today and one tomorrow [11:03:36] jrochkind100 | MikeTaylor: Agreed. Over-abstracted, over-engineered. [11:03:53] timmcgeary | i think just one [11:03:54] MikeTaylor | JR: we should get together and bitch about that later :-) [11:04:00] mbklein | @reload FOAF [11:04:01] zoia | mbklein: The operation succeeded. [11:04:02] dchud | JodiS: message sent and received [11:04:02] skoczko | forget Lucene, use zebra :) [11:04:03] dchud | does anyone know whatever might have come out of the work on search metrics at Emory that Aaron Krowne demo'd at c4l '06? [11:04:04] jtgorman | btw, anyone ever use http://www.rockbox.org/ [11:04:04] mbklein | @foaf rsinger interest [11:04:07] zoia | mbklein: rsinger : "library technology", , , , , [11:04:09] JodiS | dchud: thanks! [11:04:09] jbrinley | bess: one today, one tomorrow [11:04:11] ---| ---> ksdrake [i=46a4190c@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-a4f7efafdc62cc5e] has joined #code4lib [11:04:17] ---| ---> rsinger [n=rsinger@wsip-70-164-25-73.ri.ri.cox.net] has joined #code4lib [11:04:22] ---| ---> ksclarke_ [i=46a4190c@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-e3feb64fffc85890] has joined #code4lib [11:04:26] Kerwick | zebra++ [11:04:29] fak3r | jtgorman: I ran it on my 4th gen iPod (20G) worked great [11:04:35] dlovins | @foaf dlovins [11:04:36] zoia | dlovins: (foaf ) -- Returns the objects of the given predicate in the given nick's FOAF. [11:04:49] dlovins | @foaf dlovins interest [11:04:50] zoia | dlovins: I don't know dlovins's URI. [11:04:50] ---| User: *** ksclarke_ is now known as Guest94832 [11:04:56] ---| ---> scolford [i=46a4190c@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-892501af20ae529a] has joined #code4lib [11:04:58] ---| ---> rsinger_ [n=rsinger@wsip-70-164-25-73.ri.ri.cox.net] has joined #code4lib [11:05:00] jtgorman | fak3r: cool [11:05:01] ejk | jtgorman: I tried it, but went back to stock ater I couldn't find my podcasts easily [11:05:04] ---| ---> highermath [i=46a4190c@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-e121e0cdac9a4ce3] has joined #code4lib [11:05:12] MikeTaylor | Is there a way to block zoia's messages? (I assume this entity is a bot.) [11:05:14] jtgorman | ejk: how easy is it go to back to stock? [11:05:23] ---| User: *** Guest94832 is now known as _ksclarke [11:05:24] LibraryThingT | one_API_to_rule_them_all-- (OCLC would run it) [11:05:24] LibraryThingT | rsinger: Good talk. [11:05:26] ---| <<-- mcdonald [i=d0365e4e@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-c5509910a9fffabe] has quit ("http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client") [11:05:30] timmcgeary | network_buffering-- [11:05:32] fak3r | jtgorman: also ran Linux on the iPod, but didn't performas well [11:05:40] rsinger_ | LibraryThingTim: thanks :) [11:05:44] ejk | pretty sure there's a windows util that GUIfies install and uninstall [11:05:47] jtgorman | ejk: I mean, I've only done a little of firmware tinkering, but I thout it was pretty tricky to reverse... [11:05:51] jtgorman | ejk: nice [11:05:53] wtd | rsinger: Well done. [11:05:54] ---| <<-- rsinger [n=rsinger@wsip-70-164-25-73.ri.ri.cox.net] has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) [11:05:56] jbrinley | MikeTaylor: /ignore zoia [11:06:03] jtgorman | oh, LibraryThingTim++ [11:06:08] kgs | rsinger++ [11:06:08] ---| <<-- ksdrake [i=46a4190c@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-a4f7efafdc62cc5e] has quit (Client Quit) [11:06:09] MikeTaylor | Thanks, jbrinley [11:06:13] jbrinley | MikeTaylor: but you'll be missing out [11:06:14] BigD | mibbit is being a pita [11:06:16] jtgorman | just for wandering in channel ;) [11:06:17] MikeTaylor | :0-) [11:06:27] ---| ---> atz [i=46a4190c@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-7146f3d50cc6c64f] has joined #code4lib [11:06:29] ---| ---> bradw [i=46a4190c@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-b61d317b4514609a] has joined #code4lib [11:06:30] jtgorman | BigD: mibbit is pretty much a constant pita [11:06:32] ---| <--- mib_iv76i6 [i=896e021b@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-bcdcd8f6be4bb2f1] has left #code4lib () [11:06:42] wtd | miketaylor: /ignore zoia all [11:06:52] kgs | BigD chatzilla not working for you? [11:06:52] * scolford thinks zoia should deliver next year's keynote. [11:07:01] LibraryThingT | Who has these schemas with only eight tables? [11:07:01] skoczko | we had XML, JSON now it's time for 3-norm SQL schemas [11:07:08] BigD | i'm fine on pidgin thru work vpn [11:07:10] rsinger_ | panizzi gave a lightning talk at the first c4l [11:07:10] jfereira | passwords_in_the_commandline-- [11:07:13] zoia | panizzi is dead. long live panizzi! [11:07:17] BigD | trying to get bradw on thru mibbit [11:07:20] cbeer | mibbit-- ssh_tunnels++ [11:07:24] mbklein | scolford: Or at least deliver a realtime transcript through @lolz [11:07:41] LibraryThingT | Does LuSQL need to exist? Strikes me as "Systemitis" (Joel on Software). Just code something up. No? [11:07:47] jrochkind100 | so who wants to set up an ssh tunnel that we can all use? [11:07:49] ---| <<-- kevin7kal_ [n=kevin7ka@300bd-210.tlt.psu.edu] has quit (Connection timed out) [11:07:59] jrochkind100 | Yeah, I'm having trouble figuring out why I'd need lusql too. [11:08:00] bess | I think lusql is pretty cool, but if one of his selling points is that it's less complex than solr he isn't selling me. [11:08:04] fak3r | -password="LUNCH" [11:08:04] MikeTaylor | Architecture astronautics. [11:08:09] mbklein | bess++ [11:08:24] akorphan | lunch++ [11:08:25] anarchivist | multithreading++ [11:08:26] jrochkind100 | the thing you invent yourself is always easier to use (for YOU) then the thing someone else invented. [11:08:38] MikeTaylor | SO true! [11:08:39] skoczko | cool slide [11:08:42] ecorrado | bacon4lunch++ [11:08:47] LibraryThingT | Which is both good and bad. But either way, meh. [11:08:48] rsinger_ | it seems as though when this has DSLs written for it, it will be.. solr [11:08:49] MikeTaylor | It is the reason that NIH syndrome is not always so dumb. [11:08:51] ---| ---> mmmmmrob [n=mmmmmrob@62.172.77.66] has joined #code4lib [11:08:51] jtgorman | LibraryThingTim: I've seen some schemas that were only two or three tables. Granted, they should have been thirty ;) [11:08:57] erikhatcher | bess: his sql stuff is less complex than Solr's DIH.... you just aren't putting relational databases into Solr directly :) [11:08:57] erikhatcher | DIH is a pain [11:09:03] timmcgeary | bess: agreed [11:09:07] jrochkind100 | rsinger_: jangle breakout yes please. [11:09:09] jtgorman | Address1,Address2,Address3 wheeeeee [11:09:18] BigD | hiya mmmmmrob! yer not here, are u? [11:09:23] MikeTaylor | How come SQL is even still on the agenda here in the 21st centurt? [11:09:27] rsinger_ | jrochkind100: so, tomorrow, i guess? [11:09:27] ---| <<-- cschx [i=46a4190c@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-cfbe9ebe746c8580] has quit ("http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client") [11:09:27] ---| <<-- scolford [i=46a4190c@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-892501af20ae529a] has quit (Client Quit) [11:09:28] erikhatcher | being able to do simple relational -> Solr mapping is the key... without a bunch of ridiculous XML in the way [11:09:34] ---| ---> robcaSSon [i=46a4190c@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-280e7b6475e0e1fc] has joined #code4lib [11:09:41] jrochkind100 | what does 'dsl' stand for anyway? I get what it is,b ut I never heard it before a couple months ago. [11:09:47] mmmmmrob | BigD: nope, couldn't come this year, but rjw will buy you a beer if you tell him I sent you ;-) [11:09:49] bess | rsinger_: jangle breakout session not at the same time as the blacklight breakout session, yes please! [11:09:57] akorphan | MikeTaylor: It works, it's readable, it's in wide use.... [11:10:02] BigD | mmmmmrob: heh, will do ;) [11:10:06] rsinger_ | bess: when is that? [11:10:12] * anarchivist votes for jangle breakout tomorrow [11:10:16] * rjw hides under table [11:10:17] rsinger_ | there are two breakouts proposed already today [11:10:19] highermath | drupal + food tonight? [11:10:22] rsinger_ | although i suppose we don't need a formal "room" [11:10:27] erikhatcher | MikeTaylor: because the real world uses relational databases [11:10:27] ---| <<-- mjg_ [i=46a4190c@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-d8565f36c0aecdb7] has quit ("http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client") [11:10:31] rsinger_ | YOU AND YOUR BOUNDARIES [11:10:35] bess | erikhatcher: did you put the BL breakout down for today or tomorrow? [11:10:42] rjw | informal_room++ [11:10:43] atz | impressive performance... especially considering it's in java [11:10:44] atz | impressive performance... especially considering it's in java [11:10:46] timmcgeary | I think this large room is available for as many small breakouts as needed [11:10:47] LibraryThingT | "How come SQL is even still on the agenda here in the 21st century?" Again, if library systems always had SQL, it could suck. [11:10:48] erikhatcher | lusql++ # slick stuff. i'd want it to send to solr though :) [11:10:50] jfereira | drupal+food++ [11:10:59] BigD | rjw: there's beer under the tables? [11:11:00] MikeTaylor | erikhatcher: yes, but why? For libraries, anyway. I can see why financials and things like that still want RDBMS, but it seems wholly inappropriate model for the kinds of stuff we want to do. [11:11:08] rsinger_ | jrochkind100: domain specific language [11:11:10] robcaSSon | solr++ [11:11:11] ---| <<-- eikeon [n=eikeon@dsl092-168-195.wdc2.dsl.speakeasy.net] has quit () [11:11:12] bess | maybe it would be better to have a jangle b.o. today (the same day as the jangle talk) and a BL b.o. tomorrow (the same day as the BL talk)? [11:11:12] lbjay | google is redirecting me to google.com.au [11:11:15] erikhatcher | bess: tomorrow [11:11:16] ---| ---> mjg_ [i=46a4190c@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-f53ae83335f25da1] has joined #code4lib [11:11:19] jfereira | not anymore... [11:11:28] ---| <<-- bradw [i=46a4190c@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-b61d317b4514609a] has quit ("http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client") [11:11:28] rjw | BigD: No - just me hiding ;-) [11:11:32] jbrinley | highermath: drupal+food++ [11:11:37] BigD | welcome bradw! [11:11:37] erikhatcher | atz: ouch. contrary to some beliefs, java ain't slow [11:11:44] bess | erikhatcher++ # awesome [11:11:46] ---| <<-- charper [i=46a4190c@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-f46f1096363340df] has quit ("http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client") [11:11:49] fak3r | 1.4 > 0.9 [11:11:51] ---| <<-- timmcgeary [i=46a4190c@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-4b5956969e991dd6] has quit ("http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client") [11:11:52] BigD | mibbit finally accepted you [11:12:04] akorphan | FRBR = entity-relationship [11:12:07] bess | rsinger_: can we do a jangle b.o. today? please please please? [11:12:15] MikeTaylor | Contrary to erikhatcher, Java is astonishingly slow in terms of startup. It may be fine once it's up and running, but that is only one aspect of performance. [11:12:27] rsinger_ | yeah, we can see if they can accomodate that [11:12:28] ---| <<-- mib_wnb20jqr [i=46a4190c@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-f9281a496ef9f9a0] has quit ("http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client") [11:12:43] LibraryThingT | How do I find out karma? [11:12:51] JodiS | @karma LibraryThingTim [11:12:52] mbklein | @karma LibraryThingTim [11:12:52] zoia | JodiS: Karma for "LibraryThingTim" has been increased 4 times and decreased 0 times for a total karma of 4. [11:12:52] jrochkind100 | @karma LibraryThingTim [11:12:53] edsu | MikeTaylor: you think everyone should just understand it, or you question its use still? [11:12:54] erikhatcher | MikeTaylor: why? pragmatic. where do you put your metadata? [11:12:54] zoia | mbklein: Karma for "LibraryThingTim" has been increased 4 times and decreased 0 times for a total karma of 4. [11:12:54] bess | LibraryThingTim: @karma [11:12:55] rsinger_ | MikeTaylor: well, but you don't generally use java for CGIs [11:12:56] zoia | jrochkind100: Karma for "LibraryThingTim" has been increased 4 times and decreased 0 times for a total karma of 4. [11:12:56] lbjay | LibraryThingTim: @help karma [11:12:56] fak3r | runningonatinymachine++ [11:12:57] BigD | and now it rejected u [11:12:58] ecorrado | what is a heap? [11:12:59] LibraryThingT | @karma [11:13:00] zoia | LibraryThingTim: Highest karma: "edsu" (1062), "mjgiarlo" (1051), and "dbs" (855). Lowest karma: "iii" (-163), "sirsidynix" (-72), and "-" (-54). [11:13:17] ecorrado | top++ [11:13:19] atz | ecorrado: non-contiguous memory blocks [11:13:20] atz | ecorrado: non-contiguous memory blocks [11:13:21] kat3 | eeek [11:13:22] jrochkind100 | ecorrado: just memory size you have allocated to your java app, basically. [11:13:23] Kerwick | ecorrado: That's a loaded question... [11:13:24] fak3r | multiprocs++ [11:13:35] paulalbert | * Note: Solr response time measure under water. [11:13:36] ecorrado | atz++ jrochkind100++ [11:13:39] lbjay | nice [11:13:39] mbklein | Stupid-ass question: Can I run solr queries against a lucene index? [11:13:40] erikhatcher | MikeTaylor: solr ain't slow. it's java. it's not best as a command-line tool, granted... jvm's are heavier beasts for sure. [11:13:45] abarrera | mjgiarlo-- # just to knock you down [11:13:50] robcaSSon | atz: are you seeing double posts from yourself in-channel? [11:13:52] edsu | distributed solr :) [11:14:02] bess | mbklein: yes, you can. [11:14:04] robcaSSon | mbklein: i haven't done it, but yes [11:14:07] MikeTaylor | Uh, oh -- now I am confused about which of things I've been whining about I'm being asked to justify. Metadata belongs in databases that know about document-like records, in this day and age. [11:14:15] bess | mbklein: you just have to match your solr schema to your lucene schema [11:14:18] erikhatcher | mbklein: sure... but you have to develop a matching schema.xml [11:14:21] robcaSSon | it's just lucene with extra goodies [11:14:24] mjg_ | LibraryThingTim: @karma thing [11:14:38] kgs | mbklein: the fact you think that's a stupid-ass question reminds me why I love this conference... it represents Hope [11:14:44] JodiS | MikeTaylor: what kind of database knows about document-like records (really just don't know these things) [11:14:44] atz | robcasson: no... i'm on mibbit... don't even have IRC client on [11:14:46] atz | robcasson: no... i'm on mibbit... don't even have IRC client on [11:14:54] JodiS | kgs++ :) [11:14:56] mjg_ | abarrera: a -- from you feels like ten ++s [11:14:57] MikeTaylor | On Java performance, I tried using the Eclipse IDE and it ran like a dog. I asked jscokso what was going wrong, and he said there was no way it would work properly on a computer with "only" 1Gb RAM. That is just insane. [11:15:04] LibraryThingT | kgs++ [11:15:07] anarchivist | lusql is neat [11:15:10] MikeTaylor | JodiS: Lucene, Zebra? [11:15:13] anarchivist | eclipse is weird [11:15:16] BigD | mjg_++ [11:15:20] mbklein | That makes sense. So one could conceivably take advantage of LuSQL's (reported) low-overhead bulk import capability, and still have all the goodness of solr on the pulling end. [11:15:28] bess | damn... what if you just hooked it up to your ILS's oracle installation? I know that would be pretty hard, but it would also be pretty cool. [11:15:32] mbklein | anarchivist++ true dat [11:15:33] robcaSSon | lusql++ # even if i'd still lean towards solr/DIH [11:15:36] abarrera | mjgiarlo: you love me admit it [11:15:37] ---| ---> charper [n=charper@HARPER.BOBST.NYU.EDU] has joined #code4lib [11:15:39] erikhatcher | MikeTaylor: 1GB is indeed insane "in this day and age" [11:15:49] ---| <<-- jstroop [n=jstroop@lib-staff579.Princeton.EDU] has quit ("Lost terminal") [11:15:53] JodiS | MikeTaylor: ok. Could you give a REALLY simple talk about why those understand documents... e.g. moving beyond RDBS? [11:15:55] erikhatcher | robcaSSon: note lusql's SolrJ writer [11:15:56] dchud | kgs: are you sure it doesn't just represent Curiosity? [11:16:00] anarchivist | robcaSSon: DIH makes baby cry [11:16:02] mjg_ | abarrera: I'm just glad I no longer have the burden of being atop the crap pile. [11:16:06] harmless | why isn't there some modular platform for indexing where all the pieces can be swapped about? import, indexer, crawler, rdbms, etc. [11:16:09] MikeTaylor | JodiS, interesting idea. [11:16:14] fak3r | JodiS: Htable sofadb [11:16:14] skoczko | Java may lag for desktop app, there is a certain start-ip overhead for the jvm but it's nearly C speed for services [11:16:18] JodiS | harmless: interesting! [11:16:25] JodiS | @ana htable sofadb [11:16:28] zoia | JodiS: Fatheads blob [11:16:29] * robcaSSon puts baby in a corner [11:16:32] rsinger_ | couchdb [11:16:34] * dbs can hear miker_ silently screaming about PostgreSQL FTS [11:16:34] rsinger_ | not sofa [11:16:34] abarrera | mjgiarlo: umm it is better to be atop a crap pile then under it [11:16:39] erikhatcher | DIH sucks in lots of ways, sadly [11:16:46] anarchivist | mjg_ is sofa king ... [11:16:48] rsinger_ | @canuck CouchDB from Apache [11:16:48] zoia | rsinger_: CoachDB from Apawchee, eh? [11:16:49] mbklein | jruby has made me happier than any language platform in a long time. [11:16:50] JodiS | MikeTaylor: I think you understand a LOT of things that most of us don't. [11:16:54] robcaSSon | erikhatcher: i haven't used it. [11:16:55] fak3r | rsinger_: ha, right [11:16:58] mjg_ | "wee todd ed" [11:16:59] edsu | MikeTaylor: i take it you don't like frbr much then ;-) [11:17:00] atz | is everybody seeing double posts from me? [11:17:01] atz | is everybody seeing double posts from me? [11:17:03] anarchivist | @canuck [zen] [11:17:03] MikeTaylor | harmless, we are making such a modular platform. We have most of the pieces, though not all are released yet. The Torus is part of that. (Use=Index Data) [11:17:05] zoia | Yasutani Roshi: The fundamental delusion of humanity is to suppose that I am here and you are oat there., eh? [11:17:07] anarchivist | atz: yes [11:17:08] rsinger_ | atz: yes [11:17:08] mbklein | atz: yes [11:17:09] jrochkind100 | mbklein: were you a java developer first? [11:17:09] JodiS | atz: yes [11:17:10] mbklein | atz: yes [11:17:12] kgs | atz yes yes [11:17:20] robcaSSon | yes [11:17:20] akorphan | atz: yes [11:17:21] akorphan | atz: yes [11:17:23] robcaSSon | yes [11:17:23] fak3r | we need more slides to look at [11:17:28] fak3r | yes [11:17:33] ---| ---> scolford [i=46a4190c@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-ffc19493f93ae963] has joined #code4lib [11:17:34] MikeTaylor | JodiS: that is a VERY gracious way of saying "I think you're talking a bunch of crap", thank you! :-) [11:17:35] BigD | no [11:17:42] ---| <<-- atz [i=46a4190c@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-7146f3d50cc6c64f] has quit ("http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client") [11:17:54] JodiS | MikeTaylor: I swear it's not. (I'm not shy about saying that either) [11:17:55] erikhatcher | MikeTaylor: but i don't run Eclipse... I use IntelliJ, still would choke on 1GB RAM though, as would most anything with any seriousness like that [11:17:57] anarchivist | hmm, hmm, hmm [11:18:08] JodiS | MikeTaylor: you deal with the technical nuts and bolts, a lot further down that most of us [11:18:12] anarchivist | this might make indexing our oracle tables awesme [11:18:16] rsinger_ | netbeans is ok in 1GB of ram [11:18:18] mjg_ | c'mon solr people [11:18:19] fak3r | should have centered the email address [11:18:20] mbklein | jrochkind100: No. But jruby does the ruby stuff like I expect it to, and the java stuff like I expect it to, and there's nothing stupid in the middle like with other hybrids. And it lets me call Saxon natively from Ruby, which makes me want to sacrifice a goat in thanks. [11:18:22] mjg_ | go ask a damn question. [11:18:23] JodiS | MikeTaylor: though, I'm not sure I'd KNOW if you WERE talking a bunch of crap :) [11:18:24] rsinger_ | depending on what you want to do [11:18:26] fak3r | opps [11:18:27] BigD | MikeTaylor: there's not a lot of "shy" in here [11:18:29] skoczko | I use Netbeans on 1gb laptop works like a charm [11:18:30] ---| <<-- dchud [i=46a4190c@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-1f07eb53adf85841] has quit ("http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client") [11:18:33] jfereira | I run Eclipse on my laptop with 1GB plus lots of other apps without any trouble [11:18:36] skoczko | ubuntu machine [11:18:45] ---| ---> iand [i=46a4190c@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-7c67498740cc5efe] has joined #code4lib [11:18:47] harmless | MikeTaylor: are you working with the lucene/solr folk so that everyone winds up on the same page? if everyone has there own standard, there aren't any standards :) [11:18:59] mjg_ | abarrera: I wish to be out of the pile altogether. [11:19:02] skoczko | Mike: maybe you Eclipse IDE version was written in Perl [11:19:06] fak3r | distsolr++ [11:19:10] skoczko | ? [11:19:16] LibraryThingT | @karma [11:19:18] zoia | LibraryThingTim: Highest karma: "edsu" (1062), "mjgiarlo" (1050), and "dbs" (855). Lowest karma: "iii" (-163), "sirsidynix" (-72), and "-" (-54). [11:19:18] abarrera | mjg_: then why do you work for the government [11:19:22] anarchivist | erikhatcher++ [11:19:23] skoczko | MikeTaylor is a big Perl fan [11:19:40] fak3r | plug [11:19:41] MikeTaylor | harmelss, we have a slightly complex attitude to Lucene, because of course we make Zebra which is in some way a competitor with it. (Except in the sense that they have about 100 times as many users as we do.) [11:19:48] mjg_ | abarrera: I can afford more bacon working for them. [11:19:51] robcaSSon | glen_newton++ [11:19:51] eom | I just googled "performant" to see if it was commonly used, and the top two results are blog posts titled "performant is not a word." [11:19:59] rsinger_ | wayne_newton++ [11:20:01] robcaSSon | indexdata++ [11:20:07] fak3r | eom: nice [11:20:10] mjg_ | fig_newtons++ [11:20:11] robcaSSon | juice_newton-- [11:20:17] robcaSSon | jackasses++ [11:20:26] abarrera | mjg_: yes, government and pork go hand and hand [11:20:28] MikeTaylor | I can't let that go, I am NOT a big Perl fan. I just use it lot because it's so good for getting stuff done, but not even a mother could actually LOVE it. :-) [11:20:28] ---| ---> mib_1t6px3yd [i=46a4190c@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-2d2cf84786ee331e] has joined #code4lib [11:20:36] mjg_ | abarrera: now you get it! [11:20:38] JodiS | nice post about back-channel and presentations: http://pistachioconsulting.com/twitter-presentations/ (also delicious'd under code4lib) [11:20:38] ---| ---> asl2 [n=asl2@dsl092-130-095.chi1.dsl.speakeasy.net] has joined #code4lib [11:20:41] fak3r | bash++ [11:20:41] kat3 | glen_newton++ [11:20:42] rsinger_ | @sing juice newton : queen of hearts [11:20:45] zoia | you're just a heartache in disguise; / Won't you keep my heart from breaking / if it's only for a very short time / Playing with the queen of hearts, [11:20:45] abarrera | mjg_: so get me a job [11:20:47] anarchivist | perl-- [11:20:51] LibraryThingT | perl++ [11:20:53] harmless | MikeTaylor: well, the point to having a modular platform is to level the playing field, so that they're all interchangable. so that a solr app can us an index generated by zebra and fed by lusql ... etc. [11:20:54] JodiS | @quote add if everyone has there own standard, there aren't any standards :) [11:20:55] zoia | JodiS: The operation succeeded. Quote #1722 added. [11:21:00] mjg_ | JodiS++ # for her unparalleled delicious-fu [11:21:04] BillDueber | perl++ [11:21:04] JodiS | :) [11:21:06] lbjay | @quote search perl [11:21:08] MikeTaylor | Harmless: yes. [11:21:09] zoia | lbjay: 16 found: #102: " random carnage is good, as long as the...", #1062: "< lbjay> Perl hackers don't die; they just get...", #1094: "< edsu> gsf: somewhere there is a perl hacker...", #1195: "< Dueber> perl++ < jtgorma1> perl++ <...", #1401: " is it bad to be installing Perl...", #1449: " i had to scrap it together, so...", #1478: " edsu: some of my best friends are...", #1501: (2 more messages) [11:21:10] anarchivist | perl-- [11:21:20] anarchivist | @quote get 1195 [11:21:21] zoia anarchivist: Quote #1195: "< Dueber> perl++ < jtgorma1> perl++ < jjtuttle_> perl-- < lbjay> perl++ < abarrera> perl-- < royt> perl++ < anarchivist> perl--" (added by gsf at 04:44 PM, February 26, 2008) [11:21:22] ---| User: *** rsinger_ is now known as rsinger [11:21:23] ---| ---> mib_vso73lau [i=46a4190c@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-d6332f65f660aee3] has joined #code4lib [11:21:24] robcaSSon | JodiS: were you a victim of the magnolia fiasco? [11:21:25] MikeTaylor | On the other hand, one of my battle-cries is: No More New Standards! We have way too many alreadu. [11:21:26] michaeldb | anarchivist: nothing will ever make indexing our oracle tables awesome. [11:21:27] fak3r | cheeze [11:21:27] michaeldb | :( [11:21:28] ---| ---> rosy1280 [i=46a4190c@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-959af06370631b32] has joined #code4lib [11:21:28] ---| ---> agd [i=46a4190c@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-076d37c7f8115ff5] has joined #code4lib [11:21:32] lbjay | perl++ [11:21:36] JodiS | robcaSSon: nope, I wasn't hip enough to move there [11:21:37] michaeldb | perl-- [11:21:40] anarchivist | michaeldb: you should take a peek at lusql [11:21:40] erikhatcher | MikeTaylor: 100x? ;) [11:21:42] harmless | MikeTaylor: Are there any for this? [11:21:44] edsu | awesome [11:21:44] lbjay | @karma perl [11:21:45] zoia | lbjay: Karma for "perl" has been increased 15 times and decreased 14 times for a total karma of 1. [11:21:46] fak3r | that's phunny [11:21:46] anarchivist | michaeldb: just watched a talk on it [11:21:47] abarrera | @karma abarrera [11:21:48] robcaSSon | JodiS: phew...good [11:21:48] zoia | abarrera: Karma for "abarrera" has been increased 49 times and decreased 4 times for a total karma of 45. [11:21:50] MrDys | @sing bob marley : jammin [11:21:53] erikhatcher | glen_newton++ [11:21:54] taco | perl++ [11:21:54] zoia | We're jammin / I wanna jam it with you, / We're jammin, jammin / And I hope you like jammin too [11:21:59] anarchivist | michaeldb: http://lab.cisti-icist.nrc-cnrc.gc.ca/cistilabswiki/index.php/LuSql [11:22:02] ---| ---> mib_wnb20jqr [i=46a4190c@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-83f2502ffb7d8fce] has joined #code4lib [11:22:02] JodiS | robcaSSon: I tried zigtag for awhile, but they were a little too buggy, and the semantic stuff wasn't helping me. may try them again sometime [11:22:04] akorphan | Australia Australia Australia Australia Australia We love you Amen [11:22:08] mjg_ | THE LIGHT [11:22:08] mjg_ | Smoke if ya got 'em. [11:22:09] fak3r | I'm ready for a rest [11:22:09] rosy1280 | accents++ [11:22:11] abarrera | bob_marley++ [11:22:11] bess | australian_accents++ [11:22:16] fak3r | rest++ [11:22:16] MikeTaylor | No, I have no actual numbers on relative deployment of Zebra and Lucene. I was using "100" to mean "a lot". Sorry [11:22:16] ---| <<-- mib_wnb20jqr [i=46a4190c@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-83f2502ffb7d8fce] has quit (Client Quit) [11:22:18] JodiS | robcaSSon: the ZIGTAG_IMPORTED_BOOKMARKS (or something like that) show where I imported those [11:22:26] anarchivist | michaeldb: incidentally lee is bugging me about building a web service for bnumber lookups [11:22:30] akorphan | Launch every ZIGTAG [11:22:35] robcaSSon | has the acid i put on the fruit kicked in for anyone yet? [11:22:39] BigD | is there pot under the tables? [11:22:39] MikeTaylor | This here's the wattle, the emblem of our land. [11:22:42] kgs | so far a leading contender for best splash page [11:22:43] ---| ---> bradw [i=46a4190c@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-7417dea37c20807c] has joined #code4lib [11:22:43] fak3r | akorphan: for great justice [11:22:47] anarchivist | robcaSSon: acid++ [11:22:51] JodiS | kgs++ [11:22:53] gsf | the australian! [11:22:54] mjg_ | we've already had three interesting accents. [11:22:54] ---| ---> mib_9lugeygu [i=46a4190c@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-ddd18aee9e9052e8] has joined #code4lib [11:22:56] MikeTaylor | You can stick it in a bottle, you can hold it in your hand. [11:23:00] abarrera | BigD: only under robcaSSon's table [11:23:04] JodiS | international_code4lib++ [11:23:05] * rsinger sighs. [11:23:08] ---| ---> timmcgeary [i=46a4190c@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-04c94bad86f788f9] has joined #code4lib [11:23:10] akorphan | L'Australian! [11:23:12] jfereira | is that a south african accent? [11:23:13] robcaSSon | abarrera++ # /me chuckles [11:23:15] zoia | true, true [11:23:18] timmcgeary | it is [11:23:21] rsinger | me and my stupid non-accent [11:23:23] eom | screen_contrast++ [11:23:24] harmless | ++-- [11:23:26] edsu | lots of rest this year [11:23:29] skoczko | not SOAP [11:23:35] wtd | rsinger: To me you have a foreign accent. [11:23:36] BigD | i could use some rest [11:23:39] anarchivist | "how not to use SOAP and be a dirty restafarian" [11:23:39] fak3r | down with soap [11:23:40] timmcgeary | rsinger: but you've got a beard [11:23:44] michaeldb | anarchivist: unfortunately the complexity is in the db and not in the language used to query it, so i sort of doubt changing languages is going to solve anything [11:23:44] mjg_ | rsinger: L'town represent. (And you don't even have the philly accent.) [11:23:47] michaeldb | but i'll look [11:23:49] mib_1t6px3yd | RESTafarians don't use soap, mon. [11:23:50] jbrinley | yes, white on black clearly wins [11:23:53] anarchivist | michaeldb: right [11:23:53] edsu | BigD++ [11:23:54] rsinger | wtd++ # that's the spirit [11:23:56] fak3r | businessLogic mention [11:23:56] skoczko | damn, that's like promoting one buzzword because it's against principles of the other [11:23:59] mjg_ | anarchivist++ [11:24:04] ---| ---> jstroop [i=46a4190c@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-e5524f865d297b07] has joined #code4lib [11:24:08] bess | soap-- [11:24:08] timmcgeary | mib_1t6px3yd++ [11:24:12] mjg_ | "don't." [11:24:17] BigD | what did he say? [11:24:28] BigD | i can't understand his outRAGEOUS accent [11:24:29] erikhatcher | MikeTaylor: may a thousand search engines bloom. of course i'm biased, but that's because i'm a simple man that gets things to work elegantly and easily with Lucene/Solr. but i'm pragmatic and focused on those technologies personally. to each their own, of course. except perl-- ;) [11:24:30] rsinger | sinatra++ [11:24:32] fak3r | white hat? no [11:24:35] rsinger | W00T! [11:24:37] rjw | soap-- [11:24:42] ---| ---> cazzerson [i=46a4190c@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-0330a9a1b0911c39] has joined #code4lib [11:24:44] fak3r | not-- [11:24:51] scolford | @known scolford [11:24:51] zoia | scolford: scolford's URI is [11:24:54] rsinger | btw, Jangle's ruby implementation is in sinatra [11:25:01] timmcgeary | effort-- [11:25:05] harmless | waaaay too many ruby frameworks. i'm so glad merb is going into rails 3. [11:25:09] fak3r | lessEffort++ [11:25:10] ---| ---> mib_bynnpmgz [i=46a4190c@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-8b4e455604f53d02] has joined #code4lib [11:25:12] BigD | the best software comes from lazy bastards [11:25:18] bess | rsinger: good to know. I can't wait to take a closer look at it. [11:25:22] akorphan | wiki_lazy_documentation_approach++ [11:25:26] mjg_ | @aussie many of us struggle talk to one another [11:25:26] zoia | mjg_: SHRIMP ON THE BARBIE, MATES! [11:25:28] rsinger | bess: it's pretty awesome [11:25:28] LibraryThingT | Is rest++ controversial anywhere? [11:25:29] ---| ---> abrin [n=adam@wsip-70-164-25-111.ri.ri.cox.net] has joined #code4lib [11:25:29] harmless | lazy++ [11:25:30] dansuchy | documentation? never heard of it... [11:25:31] ---| <<-- mib_oioo7vgg [i=46a4190c@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-5bf51cbf2b17ae7d] has quit ("http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client") [11:25:36] scolford | @known scolford [11:25:37] zoia | scolford: scolford's URI is [11:25:37] Kerwick | BIgD: Why thank you ;-) [11:25:44] ---| <<-- mib_bynnpmgz [i=46a4190c@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-8b4e455604f53d02] has quit (Client Quit) [11:25:47] rsinger | bess: in its simplicity [11:25:49] fak3r | sounds a bit personal [11:25:58] ecorrado | @karma rest [11:25:58] rjw | "is PUT" - discuss [11:25:59] zoia | ecorrado: Karma for "rest" has been increased 4 times and decreased 0 times for a total karma of 4. [11:26:00] akorphan | @knows akorphan cazzerson [11:26:00] zoia | akorphan: I don't know cazzerson's URI [11:26:13] mjg_ | BigD: we have an australian translator implemented in zoia. [11:26:24] LibraryThingT | Aaargh. Talking-- [11:26:26] akorphan | Crikey! [11:26:26] ecorrado | talk_talk_talk-- [11:26:29] kgs | royt what's your foaf? [11:26:32] BigD | zoia-- [11:26:32] rsinger | @aussie issues [11:26:32] ecorrado | do_do_do++ [11:26:33] zoia | rsinger: SHRIMP ON THE BARBIE, MATES! [11:26:34] mjg_ | analysis_paralysis-- [11:26:37] jbrinley | @known royt [11:26:37] zoia | jbrinley: royt's URI is [11:26:38] bess | rsinger: jangle breakout today? sorry if you answered that already and I missed it. [11:26:38] mib_9lugeygu | tet [11:26:41] ---| ---> kreiss [i=46a4190c@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-8a0b36d38cf73f55] has joined #code4lib [11:26:47] kgs | jbrinley duh. kgs-- [11:26:49] erikhatcher | MikeTaylor++ # for comment on Perl. [11:26:50] skoczko | SOA != SOAP [11:26:52] LibraryThingT | taking it on the chin-- [11:26:56] LibraryThingT | quitting++ [11:26:57] rsinger | bess: we'll need to see if they can accomodate [11:27:13] rjw | older_gentlemen++ [11:27:15] fak3r | you can't stop him quoting - rebel [11:27:20] ---| ---> danbri [n=danbri@s55927ef8.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has joined #code4lib [11:27:32] BigD | silver bullets tickle [11:27:35] fak3r | snake oil ca? [11:27:36] erikhatcher | australia++ [11:27:44] escowles | snake_oil++ [11:27:56] ---| ---> mib_bynnpmgz [i=46a4190c@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-9387032dfec63028] has joined #code4lib [11:28:07] harmless | australia has a lot of interesting snakes. [11:28:19] highermath | let's leave that slide up for the rest of the day [11:28:23] highermath | oops [11:28:25] MikeTaylor | australia has a lot of interesting spiders. [11:28:28] fak3r | 500 error,d damn [11:28:39] mjg_ | @aussie I would like one order of grilled prawns, good friends! [11:28:39] fak3r | click reload! [11:28:40] zoia | mjg_: SHRIMP ON THE BARBIE, MATES! [11:28:49] mib_1t6px3yd | API suck happens [11:28:52] LibraryThingT | Error pages should have a wiki version of the code. [11:28:54] bess | @cagematch developers vs. sysadmins [11:28:55] zoia | bess: is that some kinda fucked up sparql query? [11:28:56] akorphan | Pe-heps if we'ah quoiet she'll let us get a lit'l CLOISAH.... [11:28:58] rsinger | mjg_++ [11:29:01] MikeTaylor | 500 is the new Segmenation Violation Core Dumped. [11:29:02] fak3r | sysadmins++ [11:29:05] mjg_ | zoia++ [11:29:07] ecorrado | bacon_wrapped_shrimp++ [11:29:16] fak3r | akorphan++ [11:29:17] paulalbert | dingo: don't eat my baby! [11:29:21] LibraryThingT | talking about food when I can't have any-- [11:29:25] ---| <<-- timmcgeary [i=46a4190c@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-04c94bad86f788f9] has quit ("http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client") [11:29:32] fak3r | extreme mention [11:29:46] ---| <--- mib_9lugeygu [i=46a4190c@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-ddd18aee9e9052e8] has left #code4lib () [11:29:53] ---| ---> timmcgeary [i=46a4190c@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-bc0e88ba559c22b4] has joined #code4lib [11:29:58] ---| ---> mib_9lugeygu [i=46a4190c@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-ddd18aee9e9052e8] has joined #code4lib [11:29:58] BigD | abarrera: don't eat my baby! [11:30:12] timmcgeary | wireless-- [11:30:14] edsu | MikeTaylor++ [11:30:15] ---| ---> ejlynema [i=46a4190c@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-9b8fa2b7263b1038] has joined #code4lib [11:30:21] mib_1t6px3yd | standard suck happens too [11:30:21] LibraryThingT | standards-- [11:30:22] * lbjay is waiting for the stuff that's specific to REST [11:30:22] edsu | @quote add < MikeTaylor> 500 is the new Segmenation Violation Core Dumped. [11:30:23] zoia | edsu: The operation succeeded. Quote #1723 added. [11:30:26] eom | Mind if we call you Bruce, keep things simple? [11:30:29] mjg_ | standards: up yours. [11:30:32] abarrera | BigD: looks like a slab of bacon to me [11:30:32] fak3r | sword mention [11:30:38] ---| <<-- dansuchy [i=46a4190c@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-c898b6c63ff387d2] has quit ("http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client") [11:30:57] ---| <<-- mpark [n=mpark@128.148.216.27] has quit ("ChatZilla 0.9.84 [Firefox 3.0.6/2009011913]") [11:30:58] edsu | awesome :) [11:30:59] * robcaSSon can't focus [11:31:00] BigD | mets profiles = dark path [11:31:08] mjg_ | crap, are people actually going to pay attention to our sword thing? [11:31:09] abarrera | mjg_: did you download the star wars light saber app for your phone? [11:31:27] ---| <<-- jdatema [n=jdatema@static-70-19-124-168.ny325.east.verizon.net] has quit ("Get Colloquy for iPhone! http://mobile.colloquy.info/") [11:31:29] ---| <<-- mib_9lugeygu [i=46a4190c@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-ddd18aee9e9052e8] has quit ("http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client") [11:31:30] MrDys | mjg_: not now that we've been conditioned to hate it [11:31:30] edsu | mjg_: it's valid [11:31:32] MikeTaylor | I really like the honesty of this talk. [11:31:35] mjg_ | abarrera: no, but you're going to lend me your phone because we're such good buddies. [11:31:36] ---| ---> mpark [n=mpark@128.148.216.27] has joined #code4lib [11:31:37] skoczko | they started decoupling so much that they ended up with atoms [11:31:44] ---| ---> decasm [i=46a4190c@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-93330e79070649a1] has joined #code4lib [11:31:47] ---| ---> jchen [i=46a4190c@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-987e492ab7f9b7f5] has joined #code4lib [11:31:54] akorphan | dr_device++ [11:32:01] abarrera | mjg_: only if you leave a security deposit....10% of your bacon supply [11:32:04] ---| <<-- scolford [i=46a4190c@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-ffc19493f93ae963] has quit ("mibbit.com: Mibbit lag headache.") [11:32:06] MikeTaylor | It's true that everything is made of atoms, but that fact doesn't mean that all you need is atoms. [11:32:10] mjg_ | australian_restafarian_dude++ [11:32:22] ---| ---> ksdrake [i=46a4190c@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-2bc824472d3ca81d] has joined #code4lib [11:32:25] rsinger | atom++ [11:32:27] ---| ---> cschx [i=46a4190c@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-98f54cb24a4ebafc] has joined #code4lib [11:32:33] ---| <<-- highermath [i=46a4190c@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-e121e0cdac9a4ce3] has quit ("http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client") [11:32:35] BigD | mjg_ don't eat 10% of my baby! [11:32:35] * timmcgeary thinks of taking out NLA services slide from presentation... [11:33:03] rsinger | invalidation+- [11:33:18] fak3r | sounds like they could have used awk and grep [11:33:26] ecorrado | awk++ [11:33:28] rjw | building_useful_things++ [11:33:34] ---| <<-- cazzerson [i=46a4190c@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-0330a9a1b0911c39] has quit ("http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client") [11:33:35] MikeTaylor | You can ALWAYS use awk and grep. Especially if you also have sed. [11:33:38] jtgorman | although I'm not there and failing to keep up with the chatter, it seems like relational databases could be useful as far as thesaurus type applications....or at least I haven't any other approach to those that seem more efficient than relational databases [11:33:44] timmcgeary | VuFind++ [11:33:46] ---| ---> dansuchy [i=896ec05b@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-c6a84d8a141d6e00] has joined #code4lib [11:33:47] JodiS | VuFind shoutout [11:34:08] MikeTaylor | sed -r rules! [11:34:12] mjg_ | fak3r++ [11:34:15] timmcgeary | sed++ [11:34:19] rsinger | my god, what is that hook thing on that swiss army knife? [11:34:31] jfereira | awk sed the shell [11:34:31] skoczko | it's kinda cool - you get all this monolithic libraries that abstract things so much that you have to wrte your services against them (probably in assembly code) [11:34:33] ---| <<-- dlovins [i=46a4190c@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-33cceb7d4913dab6] has quit ("http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client") [11:34:34] timmcgeary | rsinger: you don't want to know [11:34:34] ---| <<-- mib_nch3tkl0 [i=46a41956@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-77f95c28d8bbee40] has quit ("http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client") [11:34:35] akorphan | It's a hook! [11:34:42] robcaSSon | rsinger: it's for making mummies [11:34:43] MikeTaylor | Maybe that is the legedary Thing For Getting Stones Out Of Horse's Hooves [11:34:44] dhanu | skoczko: bottle opener [11:34:46] MikeTaylor | Z39.50++ [11:34:47] jrochkind100 | crochet hook? swiss soldiers do a lot of crocheting. [11:34:47] erikhatcher | JodiS: do we call lucene/solr shoutouts too? :) [11:34:51] abarrera | rsinger: i think i saw that in hostel [11:34:59] rosy1280 | zed++ [11:35:01] lbjay | rsinger: to devein the shript [11:35:06] JodiS | erikhatcher: only if we want to flood the channel! :) [11:35:06] ---| <<-- mbklein [n=mbklein@216.236.252.231] has quit (Remote closed the connection) [11:35:10] JodiS | lucene++ [11:35:10] JodiS | solr++ [11:35:11] mjg_ | A dental implement? A gentleman does not allow tartar to gather on the teeth in the wild. [11:35:11] lbjay | s/shript/shrimp/ [11:35:12] paulalbert | hook used for trephinations in the wild [11:35:20] erikhatcher | @karma solr [11:35:20] ---| ---> gsf_ [i=46a4190c@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-c1b5b99938ea1b79] has joined #code4lib [11:35:21] zoia | erikhatcher: Karma for "solr" has been increased 63 times and decreased 3 times for a total karma of 60. [11:35:26] JodiS | @ana A gentleman does not allow tartar to gather on the teeth in the wild. [11:35:26] mjg_ | lbjay++ [11:35:27] zoia | JodiS: Elegant as tolerant old woman [11:35:31] lbjay | @aussie that's not a pocket knife! [11:35:32] zoia | lbjay: SHRIMP ON THE BARBIE, MATES! [11:35:34] ---| <<-- ejlynema [i=46a4190c@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-9b8fa2b7263b1038] has quit ("http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client") [11:35:35] JodiS | zoia++ [11:35:35] ---| <<-- rosy1280_ [n=rosy1280@155.47.17.158] has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) [11:35:44] erikhatcher | MikeTaylor: you responsible for those decrements? ;) [11:35:47] robcaSSon | lbjay++ [11:35:51] BigD | you call THAT a NOIF? [11:35:57] ---| ---> dlovins [i=46a4190c@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-1711b316a3bd7bdd] has joined #code4lib [11:35:58] MikeTaylor | Erik, er, what> [11:35:59] erikhatcher | lbjay++ [11:36:01] MikeTaylor | ? [11:36:01] * mjg_ snorts [11:36:10] akorphan | I see you've played knifey spooney before! [11:36:14] ---| <<-- fak3r [n=phil@chavez.cryer.us] has quit ("leaving") [11:36:19] erikhatcher | MikeTaylor: just kidding: Karma for "solr" has been increased 63 times and decreased 3 times for a total karma of 60. [11:36:29] kat3 | flash_widgets++ [11:36:34] ---| <<-- iand [i=46a4190c@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-7c67498740cc5efe] has quit ("http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client") [11:36:45] lbjay | @praise Australia [11:36:46] Kerwick | no flashing widgets please [11:36:47] zoia | Australia: you're the bee's knees [11:37:15] erikhatcher | g'day mate... you right? [11:37:15] MikeTaylor | OIC. No, I have no problem with solr ... just wish everyone realised how much more awesome Zebra is :-) [11:37:19] anarchivist | wickets++ [11:37:24] ---| ---> highermath [i=46a4190c@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-5fc1119903963b4d] has joined #code4lib [11:37:31] MikeTaylor | How do you find out the karma of a thing? [11:37:38] ---| <<-- highermath [i=46a4190c@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-5fc1119903963b4d] has quit (Client Quit) [11:37:39] skoczko | z3bra will be awsome [11:37:39] JodiS | @karma [11:37:40] zoia | JodiS: has neutral karma. [11:37:46] anarchivist | @karma MikeTaylor [11:37:47] zoia | anarchivist: Karma for "MikeTaylor" has been increased 4 times and decreased 0 times for a total karma of 4. [11:37:59] mjg_ | @most decreased [11:38:01] skoczko | if it ever gets completed that is :) [11:38:01] zoia mjg_: "iii": 171, "zoia": 151, "dbs": 126, "robcaSSon": 125, "edsu": 118, "mjgiarlo": 109, "sirsidynix": 82, "rsinger": 75, "lbjay": 69, "-": 56, "jrochkind": 48, "royt": 43, "voyager": 39, "jtgorman": 39, "ie": 34, "ksclarke": 34, "mbklein": 30, "PHP": 26, "rob_desk": 25, "firefox": 25, "<-": 25, "JodiS": 25, "gsf": 23, "anarchivist": 23, and "it": 21 [11:38:03] MikeTaylor | @karma solr [11:38:03] zoia | MikeTaylor: Karma for "solr" has been increased 63 times and decreased 3 times for a total karma of 60. [11:38:04] ecorrado | MikeTaylor: you need to not /ignore zoia [11:38:15] mjg_ | when flash is yesterday's technology, today is awesome. [11:38:20] JodiS | ecorrado: what's the opposite of /ignore ? [11:38:22] MikeTaylor | @ecorrado, why? [11:38:23] zoia | MikeTaylor: what's that got to do with the price of flan in crapistan? [11:38:30] MikeTaylor | It's /unignore [11:38:32] paulalbert | karma++ [11:38:35] cbeer | mjg_++ [11:38:38] JodiS | MikeTaylor: zoia returns karma. If you can't 'hear', that's why [11:38:39] abarrera | robcaSSon: yeah use in moderation [11:38:41] ecorrado | zoia reports karma [11:38:43] zoia | ecorrado: http://poopoopanda.files.wordpress.com/2008/04/poster63512997.jpg [11:38:44] erikhatcher | @karma karma [11:38:46] zoia | erikhatcher: Highest karma: "edsu" (1062), "mjgiarlo" (1050), and "dbs" (855). Lowest karma: "iii" (-163), "sirsidynix" (-72), and "-" (-54). You (erikhatcher) are ranked 19 out of 8188. [11:38:46] akorphan | @karma karma [11:38:47] zoia | akorphan: Highest karma: "edsu" (1062), "mjgiarlo" (1050), and "dbs" (855). Lowest karma: "iii" (-163), "sirsidynix" (-72), and "-" (-54). You (akorphan) are ranked 129 out of 8188. [11:38:48] harmless | MikeTaylor: solr uses lucene underneath, but could use zebra if things were more modular... [11:38:50] * robcaSSon calls his sponsor [11:38:53] akorphan | you owe me a coke. [11:38:57] robcaSSon | abarrera++ [11:38:58] JodiS | modularity++ [11:39:08] MikeTaylor | @karma solr [11:39:09] zoia | MikeTaylor: Karma for "solr" has been increased 63 times and decreased 3 times for a total karma of 60. [11:39:18] abarrera | robcaSSon: isn't mjgiarlo your sponsor? thats why you have so many problems [11:39:22] erikhatcher | harmless: it's intimately tied to lucene.... so it's a non-starter to separate solr from lucene [11:39:26] MikeTaylor | Oh, I see. That's neat. OK, I accept the existence of zoia. [11:39:37] harmless | erikhatcher: even the api? [11:39:45] erikhatcher | besides, Zebra could just "emulate" Solr with the same API [11:39:55] BigD | MikeTaylor: zoia is noisy, and over used, but slightly useful [11:40:02] erikhatcher | same wt=json, etc, and update XML... so it'd be trivial to look like Solr request/response-wise [11:40:03] mjg_ | My notion of sponsorship: if you fall off the wagon, hook me up, too. [11:40:07] robcaSSon | @insult BigD [11:40:07] zoia | BigD: You are nothing but a horn-beat tongueful of porous fish. [11:40:12] akorphan | I want someone to make a little SVG of me. [11:40:14] rjw | Not_developing_past_V1++ [11:40:17] ---| ---> dlovins_ [i=46a4190c@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-a8652863c1ae11b1] has joined #code4lib [11:40:24] skoczko | zebra++ [11:40:27] zoia | MikeTaylor: I accept you too [11:40:35] MikeTaylor | rjw, we find it better just to start at v2. It saves time. [11:40:35] ---| <<-- dlovins [i=46a4190c@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-1711b316a3bd7bdd] has quit (Client Quit) [11:40:50] ecorrado | @quote add zoia is noisy, and over used, but slightly useful [11:40:51] zoia | ecorrado: The operation succeeded. Quote #1724 added. [11:40:52] BigD | is that one of The Incredibles on the screen? [11:41:06] rjw | MikeTaylor: that explains much ;-) [11:41:14] JodiS | where is the copyright tool? [11:41:22] ecorrado | laws-- [11:41:27] JodiS | laws+- [11:41:30] ---| <<-- MikeTaylor [i=46a4190c@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-0ada31af0c732d82] has quit ("http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client") [11:41:31] BigD | anarchy++ [11:41:33] ---| ---> mib_loxoe8sh [i=46a4190c@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-bc35defe19d763c8] has joined #code4lib [11:41:42] BillDueber | chaotic_good++ [11:41:42] decasm | rest services should be versioned on their representations, and then have the service switch based on Accept headers [11:41:42] * anarchivist fought the naragansett but the naragansett won [11:41:43] rjw | JodiS: in the copyright tool box [11:41:43] ---| User: *** mib_loxoe8sh is now known as fak3r [11:41:47] akorphan | svg_caricatures++ [11:41:53] JodiS | at nla.gov.au? [11:41:54] ---| ---> MikeTaylor [i=46a4190c@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-26f4c0924e978c29] has joined #code4lib [11:42:00] LibraryThingT | How do you get more karma results, like @karma -1000 or something? [11:42:02] BigD | lunch? [11:42:06] dansuchy | the o'reilly REST book has some kind of spooky lemur cover [11:42:07] BigD | foods? [11:42:08] robcaSSon | dead_moon++ [11:42:10] harmless | erikhatcher: yah, it may be that we can do modularity by just standardising on the solr api and wrap other pieces to smell the same as solr pieces. [11:42:14] BigD | blood sugar dropping [11:42:18] ---| ---> highermath [i=46a4190c@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-a5c7a2b84c65cc85] has joined #code4lib [11:42:19] anarchivist | dead_moon++ [11:42:21] BigD | evil declan emerging... [11:42:25] akorphan | BigD: I have peanuts. [11:42:28] fak3r | robcaSSon: that's no moon! [11:42:40] decasm | you wouldn't like me when i'm hungry [11:42:41] abarrera | BigD: when does the good declan emerge? [11:42:44] JodiS | somebody pass BigD a granola bar [11:42:47] rosy1280 | lunch++ [11:42:49] rsinger | modesty [11:42:50] kat3 | you won't like me when i'm hungry.. [11:42:54] fak3r | skinny_fonts-- [11:42:57] BigD | Donger needs protein! [11:43:00] akorphan | cazzerson++ [11:43:03] LibraryThingT | Awesome transition effect [11:43:10] fak3r | slide_transition++ [11:43:14] mjg_ | "birkin rocks like birkinstocks" [11:43:21] BigD | fancy! [11:43:33] abarrera | mjgiarlo-- # blech [11:43:34] paulalbert | I prefer the fire transition [11:43:36] ---| <<-- mib_1t6px3yd [i=46a4190c@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-2d2cf84786ee331e] has quit ("http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client") [11:43:37] dhanu | does anyone else think the row of lights at the back is too bright? [11:43:44] * ecorrado would show how much his tools are used if anyone used them [11:43:51] robcaSSon | dead_battery-- [11:43:54] skoczko | slide_transition++ [11:43:56] ---| <<-- robcaSSon [i=46a4190c@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-280e7b6475e0e1fc] has quit ("mibbit.com:") [11:43:59] Baroquem | Keynote '09? [11:44:01] skoczko | xml_in_slides-- [11:44:07] harmless | erikhatcher: would that work? or is the system too tightly coupled? [11:44:15] BigD | nice picture [11:44:22] paulalbert | Baroquem: yes [11:44:27] dlovins_ | data_silos-- [11:44:29] MikeTaylor | Yes, but why is the nice picture so small? [11:44:36] ---| ---> andyashton [i=46a4190c@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-082fbc8ef75c3983] has joined #code4lib [11:44:37] MikeTaylor | People, USE THE SPACE when you build your slides. [11:44:43] skoczko | it's a smalll data silloo [11:44:45] rsinger | i don't like transitions because it takes the attention away from ME ME ME [11:44:47] skoczko | only few gigs [11:44:57] BigD | MikeTaylor: negative space is important [11:45:05] BigD | and it's plenty big up front ;) [11:45:06] fak3r | he needs to look up [11:45:08] erikhatcher | vw++ [11:45:10] ---| ---> dchud [i=46a4190c@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-9309786bff28a85e] has joined #code4lib [11:45:17] edsu | what about the clock :)a [11:45:19] ecorrado | kilometer-- [11:45:20] ---| <<-- mpark [n=mpark@128.148.216.27] has quit ("ChatZilla 0.9.84 [Firefox 3.0.6/2009011913]") [11:45:28] BigD | fak3r: if he looks at you, you turn to stone [11:45:29] erikhatcher | MikeTaylor: use the space? more words? [11:45:30] MikeTaylor | Negative space CAN be important, but ultimately only as way of drawing attention to where it belongs. That is not what we are seeing here. [11:45:30] ecorrado | metric_system-- [11:45:34] lbjay | finally, a speaker where the lack of eye contact is mutual [11:45:34] fak3r | metric_system_in_general-- [11:45:37] ---| ---> mpark [n=mpark@128.148.216.27] has joined #code4lib [11:45:43] fak3r | lbjay++ [11:45:44] rsinger | metric_system++ [11:45:47] timmcgeary | lbjay++ [11:45:51] mjg_ | lbjay++ [11:45:52] dchud | i've wanted to build one of these for five years [11:45:56] akorphan | powers_of_10++ [11:45:57] escowles | metric_system++ [11:45:57] BigD | lbjay++ [11:45:59] edsu | lbjay++ [11:46:00] fak3r | us_adoption_of_metric_system-- [11:46:03] rsinger | trapper_keeper_insides++ # while we don't use metric [11:46:08] * BillDueber is putting in an internal grant to build something like this. [11:46:16] MikeTaylor | r [11:46:21] erikhatcher | harmless: whether you can tease solr's request/response code out and use it outside lucene or any other ugliness (like the config), no, i wouldn't do that [11:46:24] fak3r | is he hacking right now? [11:46:26] MikeTaylor | (Sorry, typed into the wrong window.) [11:46:35] paulalbert | I think I saw a porn site in the bookmarks [11:46:37] ejk | Don't hit the "Open All in Tabs" option [11:46:37] ---| <<-- highermath [i=46a4190c@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-a5c7a2b84c65cc85] has quit (Client Quit) [11:46:38] ---| ---> atz [i=46a4190c@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-21e94a864f3b4d11] has joined #code4lib [11:46:41] erikhatcher | just take solr xml and figure out how to ingest it with your own server-side implementation, same on response writing formats [11:46:44] * BigD makes note to self to clean up bookmarks BEFORE presenting... [11:46:44] skoczko | off topic, how many people use linux on their laptops? [11:46:54] LibraryThingT | Are people around on Thursday? If there was a walking tour of Lovecraft's providence or a visit to the Providence Athenæum (http://www.providenceathenaeum.org/) [11:46:57] BillDueber | skoczko: 8 [11:47:01] fak3r | skoczko: over here - Debian 5.0 (lenny) [11:47:04] mjg_ | skoczko: me me me [11:47:08] bess | LibraryThingTim: yes! [11:47:13] skoczko | ubuntu here [11:47:19] anarchivist | bess: i might be up for that too [11:47:22] jrochkind100 | LibraryThingTim: Maybe. PS: I'm going up to portland for the weekend, anything fun I should do? [11:47:23] MikeTaylor | Look at the size of that grapH! [11:47:26] gsf_ | skoczko: debian [11:47:27] bess | LibraryThingTim: Have you seen Adam Soroka's HP Lovecraft GIS thing yet? So cool. [11:47:30] lbjay | @dow eng [11:47:30] ---| ---> highermath [i=46a4190c@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-f84f38b7ca9c8b9c] has joined #code4lib [11:47:32] mjg_ | intrepid ibex on my laptop [11:47:34] akorphan | negative_space-- [11:47:35] zoia | lbjay: An error has occurred and has been logged. Please contact this bot's administrator for more information. [11:47:35] jstroop | skoczko: ubuntu [11:47:35] fak3r | skoczko: still thinking of pulling the trig on a dell mini 9 w/ubunut [11:47:38] dansuchy | paulabert: i think i saw mention of furries too [11:47:48] kat3 | tufte++ [11:47:48] atz | ok, trying again in safari.... still duplicate posts? [11:47:50] fak3r | akorphan: no doubt, how about div align=center? [11:47:55] zoia | New news from planetcode4lib: del.icio.us: Panlibus " Blog Archive " A look through the Grid at Code4lib || del.icio.us: How to Present While People are Twittering | Pistachio || Matienzo, Mark: Go FOAF Yourself [11:47:57] akorphan | atz: better [11:47:58] rsinger | atz: no [11:47:58] fak3r | atz: no [11:48:02] skoczko | cool looks like ubuntu/debian has conquered the desktop :) [11:48:03] erikhatcher | harmless: there is a good reason it is tied to lucene in a sense.... consider writing out search results response.... pipelining large stored fields uses too much memory, so solr pulls them and streams them at the last moment, pretty much straight from lucene [11:48:04] anarchivist | does anyone know if we're doing lunch in here? [11:48:04] paulalbert | dansuchy: furverts are everywhere [11:48:14] atz | cool. [11:48:15] erikhatcher | tufte-- [11:48:17] fak3r | I wouldn't say I've been missing books... [11:48:18] LibraryThingT | "I'm going up to portland for the weekend, anything fun I should do?" Have lunch with me? [11:48:23] rsinger | herverts [11:48:26] lbjay | anarchivist: i would asume [11:48:28] andyashton | this IRC channel is like a really nerdy quilting bee [11:48:31] LibraryThingT | bess: no. Will check out. [11:48:40] akorphan | mini is right. [11:48:41] fak3r | mini_chart-- [11:48:42] anarchivist | herverts++ # open repositoris [11:48:46] jrochkind100 | LibraryThingTim: Sure, maybe, I'm visiting a friend, but let's make sure we have each other's phone#s. [11:48:48] LibraryThingT | sparklines++ [11:48:51] BillDueber | Incredibly useful data, displayed in such a way that no one will ever understand them [11:48:55] LibraryThingT | 207 272-0553 [11:49:01] ---| ---> fedwards [i=46a4190c@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-6c75bef76e07fb2f] has joined #code4lib [11:49:02] lbjay | @quote add this IRC channel is like a really nerdy quilting bee [11:49:03] MikeTaylor | I once saw a quilting bee on a David Attenborough documentary. [11:49:03] zoia | lbjay: The operation succeeded. Quote #1725 added. [11:49:05] bess | LibraryThingTim: he's going to be showing it in his GIS talk [11:49:07] mjg_ | andyashton++ [11:49:15] LibraryThingT | Awesome. [11:49:19] jrochkind100 | LibraryThingTim: I might call you on sat or sun then? thanks. [11:49:28] MikeTaylor | Still keen on negative space now you've seen the current slide? [11:49:35] cbarr | has anyone used netvibe open source? http://netvibes.org/ [11:49:41] wtd | Lovecraft GIS? Cool, [11:49:42] fak3r | scroll_bars-- [11:49:51] BigD | i'm so keen i'm shining [11:50:01] timmcgeary | who brought their room alarm clock? [11:50:02] akorphan | I liked cup+fork better. [11:50:02] ---| <<-- BLTnoTomato [i=837a6839@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-57ae94ad6d6f9f23] has quit ("http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client") [11:50:04] fak3r | annoying_ringtones++ [11:50:08] ---| ---> mbklein [n=mbklein@216.236.252.231] has joined #code4lib [11:50:09] zoia | ALL RISE [11:50:11] LibraryThingT | Yeah. Massive LibraryThing employee meetup that weekend, so I'm not positive we'll be available. Alas, nobody you know—the library programmers come later. [11:50:34] fak3r | all dashboards need a stoplight somewhere [11:50:38] ---| <<-- highermath [i=46a4190c@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-f84f38b7ca9c8b9c] has quit (Client Quit) [11:50:46] akorphan | no_context_labels-- [11:50:48] lbjay | JodiS: was that your chumby? [11:50:58] LibraryThingT | Does anyone use any of the chart-making tools? Google has one, I think. [11:51:01] ---| <<-- skoczko [i=46a4190c@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-4f5ef905f8c4680c] has quit ("http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client") [11:51:08] fak3r | chumby +or- discuss [11:51:12] JodiS | lbjay: no, my chumby's upstairs [11:51:12] jrochkind100 | LibraryThingTim: how many employees have you guys got these days? [11:51:14] LibraryThingT | I want to program a Librarything-Chumby mashup. [11:51:16] MrDys | LibraryThingTim: define chart-making tools [11:51:16] ---| ---> BLTnoTomato [i=837a6839@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-cd863af55cd507d4] has joined #code4lib [11:51:17] LibraryThingT | Ten. [11:51:23] jrochkind100 | nice [11:51:24] rsinger | @ana my chumby's upstairs [11:51:25] zoia | rsinger: Ha! Yummy subscripts [11:51:26] LibraryThingT | Makes graphs, pie-charts etc. Easy. [11:51:29] harmless | erikhatcher: i wonder if you could still have a performant index if you abstract it enough to some standard where you could could mix and match indices, faceting, snippet generation, etc. [11:51:32] rosy1280 | excel-- [11:51:39] erikhatcher | harmless: no [11:51:44] MrDys | good luck, birkin [11:51:45] dchud | love this stuff. [11:51:48] akorphan | bad negative space widgets > e-mailed excel spreadsheets [11:51:49] LibraryThingT | God, I really hate Django. [11:51:50] erikhatcher | lucene is the secret sauce [11:51:52] JodiS | lbjay: would love to hand it around if anybody wants to play. plugging into ethernet is probably the easiest way to get it on the network here. also needs power plugged in. [11:51:52] fak3r | django_pronounciation-- [11:52:05] cbeer | LibraryThingTim: flot, here < http://code.google.com/p/flot/ > [11:52:08] dchud | django admin ui++ [11:52:11] jfereira | Djatoka_pronunciation-- [11:52:12] akorphan | fak3r: alternative to "Jango"? [11:52:13] MikeTaylor | Here is a full-sized representation of the graph on the current slide, for those of you not at the conference: "\/\" [11:52:13] jrochkind100 | that trend arrow really ought to be calculated from best-fit slope of the last N data points, not just the last 2. [11:52:18] fak3r | jfereira++ [11:52:33] JodiS | anarchivist: would like to play musical chairs at some point, meet more people. guess that's for tomorrow? [11:52:39] ---| ---> eikeon [n=eikeon@pool-71-191-30-193.washdc.east.verizon.net] has joined #code4lib [11:52:41] ---| ---> tholbroo [n=tholbroo@hs72260.lib.sfu.ca] has joined #code4lib [11:52:43] LibraryThingT | Flot is nice. Thanks. [11:52:54] fak3r | anarchivist: good idea [11:52:55] abarrera | mjgiarlo: flot you [11:52:57] erikhatcher | JodiS: good suggestion - musical chairs after lunch would be a good plan [11:53:07] LibraryThingT | I'm on my Verizon card and it's slow. Is wifi doing well? [11:53:27] dlovins_ | LibraryThingTim: wifi is very very slow [11:53:29] jrochkind100 | eh, it's doing barely okay, the wifi. [11:53:31] jchen | like the musical chair idea [11:53:32] BigD | i'm keeping my chair [11:53:34] * mjg_ weeps. [11:53:40] JodiS | erikhatcher: well, somebody suggest it then :) [11:53:47] dchud | jrochkind100: i think you're overthinking what he's trying to do. he keeps saying "just enough info", i think that's right [11:53:49] jrochkind100 | So you have to manually paste in your data? Hmm. [11:53:50] BigD | "from my cold, dead..." heinie [11:53:58] fak3r | chinese fire drill during a talk? [11:54:01] jbrinley | BigD: keep the chair, just go to another table with it [11:54:06] anarchivist | BigD-- # gross [11:54:11] akorphan | wait, does it update those data points by hand or not? [11:54:12] jrochkind100 | dchud: best-fit slope over hte last 6 data points would be no more info on the dashboard -- it would still just be an arrow. But it would be a less statistically misleading one. [11:54:14] akorphan | err. [11:54:15] JodiS | my fave from that "back-channel presentation" post: "ombudsman" from back-channel, e.g. somebody to shout at you during your talk, when needed [11:54:19] JodiS | can't see :( [11:54:22] akorphan | s/by hand/automatically [11:54:25] dchud | no, it wouldn't be by hand. he's just showing you what the data *is* [11:54:31] ---| ---> highermath [i=46a4190c@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-24b148df212effeb] has joined #code4lib [11:54:34] ---| ---> ejlynema [i=46a4190c@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-70a0c4f926115acf] has joined #code4lib [11:54:41] mjg_ | notes for future presenters: FONT UP. [11:54:44] akorphan | dchud: whew. [11:54:44] jrochkind100 | I think it IS by hand, yeah? I'm pretty sure. [11:54:50] JodiS | wifi varies. ok here. we're not hearing more from ejynema 'cause of wifi, for instance [11:54:51] abarrera | BigD: your chair wants you to get off it [11:54:56] JodiS | mjg_: indeed! [11:55:01] dchud | jrochkind100: you really want best fit over 6 points instead of the six points? if anything, both is better [11:55:04] cbeer | LibraryThingTim: Also, rrd for metrics [11:55:04] JodiS | royt: you got that, re: getting the font size up? [11:55:07] ---| ---> sechard [i=46a4190c@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-7ecdc28f06a73bef] has joined #code4lib [11:55:09] ecorrado | jrochkind100: he said all except one are automatic [11:55:09] fak3r | presentation directly to laptop [11:55:13] JodiS | royt: for whatever pull you have? [11:55:13] andyashton | it can be by hand, or a feed from databases [11:55:16] jrochkind100 | huh, 6 instead of "six"? [11:55:22] akorphan | jrochkind100: There was some note about "Data may be filled in programattically" [11:55:32] fak3r | graphBackground-- [11:55:35] ---| <<-- wtd [n=chatzill@wsip-70-164-25-78.ri.ri.cox.net] has quit (Remote closed the connection) [11:55:40] BigD | royt's checked out [11:55:42] dchud | imho this is great work. every library administrator i've ever known would *love* having this. [11:55:43] ---| <<-- mbklein [n=mbklein@216.236.252.231] has quit (Remote closed the connection) [11:55:52] MikeTaylor | This is amazing -- the use of space in the slides is getting worse! [11:55:52] MikeTaylor | Oh, that's better. [11:55:52] jrochkind100 | I don't think just giving me the last TWO data points is an accurate 'trend'. The person creating the widget should decide how many data points to calculate the trend over, depending on the nature of the data. [11:55:55] JodiS | jrochkind100: good to have multiple ways to input data [11:55:55] khatar | graphForeground-- [11:55:57] fak3r | wait, couldn't they have used google analytics here? [11:55:57] ---| <<-- sara_bee [n=miker@c-76-97-57-109.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) [11:56:01] * timmcgeary is fonting up [11:56:03] fak3r | bookmobile++ [11:56:08] mjg_ | timmcgeary++ [11:56:12] ---| ---> sara_bee [n=miker@c-76-97-57-109.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has joined #code4lib [11:56:13] JodiS | anarchivist: you gonna give that google analytics lightning talk? [11:56:14] akorphan | I think the chart includes more data than just the 2 points reported. [11:56:15] harmless | erikhatcher: not necessarily jury-rigging existing tech, but if starting from scratch, couldn't you define some minimum set of what hooks need to exist between the different layers and what can be blackbox? [11:56:16] JodiS | fonting_up++ [11:56:21] ecorrado | royt is reading over ecorrado's shoulder [11:56:26] mjg_ | birkin just fonted down [11:56:27] jrochkind100 | akorphan: I'm talking about the up/down 'trend' arrow. [11:56:31] ---| ---> mbklein [i=root@nexus.dreamhost.com] has joined #code4lib [11:56:31] dchud | jrochkind100: i mean that you can show both the actual values and a trend curve. which would be better than just showing one or the other. [11:56:31] JodiS | thanks ecorrado :) [11:56:35] paulalbert | WYSIWYG Google Chart creator I use: http://www.tagarga.com/files/gcui/ [11:56:36] timmcgeary | @karma timmcgeary [11:56:37] zoia | timmcgeary: Karma for "timmcgeary" has been increased 4 times and decreased 0 times for a total karma of 4. [11:56:40] ---| <<-- atz [i=46a4190c@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-21e94a864f3b4d11] has quit ("http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client") [11:56:40] ---| <<-- highermath [i=46a4190c@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-24b148df212effeb] has quit (Client Quit) [11:56:45] harmless | erikhatcher: or does this kind of system generically necessitate a high degree of coupling? [11:56:51] erikhatcher | harmless: a generic one size fits all solution will be the least common denominator [11:56:55] fak3r | wget rss -> sed/awk -> ??? -> profit! [11:56:58] gsf_ | fonting_down++ like a slap in the face [11:57:06] mjg_ | birkin++ [11:57:06] dchud | fak3r: steal underpants. [11:57:09] anarchivist | gsf_++ [11:57:16] JodiS | erikhatcher: lcd as in, less scalable? [11:57:17] fak3r | dchud: yes, that's it [11:57:20] anarchivist | rss-- [11:57:37] erikhatcher | harmless: i just know how solr is wired and how it works with lucene and docsets, etc.... uncoupling lucene wouldn't be trivial. and surely less scalable (since almost everything is less scalable than lucene) [11:57:40] ---| <<-- _ksclarke [i=46a4190c@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-e3feb64fffc85890] has quit ("http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client") [11:57:42] jrochkind100 | dchud: Are we both talking about hte same thing? The up/down arrow? I like the up/down arrow, I just don't like the way it's calculated, is all I'm saying. [11:57:51] edsu | did he mention that the data is available from thesame url? [11:58:00] gsf_ | this is not the dashboard view of the dashboard initiative [11:58:02] gsf_ | not that i want that [11:58:06] dchud | jrochkind100: no, we weren't. let's keep arguing anyway, though. we're on the internet! [11:58:07] akorphan | Widget URL should include a flag that renders widget view or full view. [11:58:10] ---| ---> wtd [n=chatzill@wsip-70-164-25-78.ri.ri.cox.net] has joined #code4lib [11:58:12] gsf_ | but just sayin [11:58:14] akorphan | it'd be cleaner [11:58:17] fak3r | looked up [11:58:40] fak3r | netsplit-- [11:58:46] dchud | just in time for a break... [11:59:00] jrochkind100 | we might as well have freenode problems to match our local network problems. [11:59:08] fak3r | or if they're magnolia, don't restore things from the db [11:59:12] mjg_ | um, code4lib conf w/o IRC? wtf are we going to do? [11:59:18] ---| <<-- mib_vso73lau [i=46a4190c@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-d6332f65f660aee3] has quit ("http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client") [11:59:23] anarchivist | mjg_: drink? [11:59:38] mjg_ | quick, someone register the channel over at EFnet. [11:59:40] jrochkind100 | anarchivist: i forgot my flask. [11:59:46] ---| <<-- ejlynema [i=46a4190c@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-70a0c4f926115acf] has quit ("http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client") [11:59:46] fak3r | mjg_: I have my own ircd on my lappy - but gsf couldn't connect. [11:59:47] ---| ---> mib_42uy8j [i=46a4190c@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-3053c670dbf7cdd2] has joined #code4lib [11:59:54] mjg_ | fak3r++ [12:00:19] * mjg_ wants low-hanging fruit for lunch [12:00:27] JodiS | I still don't see the copyright tool at http://www.nla.gov.au/ 's toolbar. Hope somebody will show it to me later. [12:00:29] jrochkind100 | yeah, this actually is fairly neat. [12:00:36] anarchivist | mjg_: BigD has some of that [12:00:38] jrochkind100 | But if we were to use it first we'd have to actually HAVE usage data. [12:00:39] mjg_ | birkin++ # neat that someone's working on this [12:00:39] fak3r | gsf_: 10.7.55.119 8080 ? [12:00:40] JodiS | freenode problems? please no [12:00:41] ---| ---> mib_weebvg1j [i=46a4190c@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-a0fdc90c505cf0a2] has joined #code4lib [12:00:44] mjg_ | anarchivist+- [12:00:57] cschx | wants low-hanging hamburgers [12:00:57] jrochkind100 | fak3r: what's that? [12:00:57] * MrDys is pretty jaded on this topic [12:00:59] abarrera | anarchivist+- # ewww [12:01:03] timmcgeary | need library data-farm [12:01:04] JodiS | birkin's SO is going to be *so* happy if that university-level stuff happens [12:01:11] taco | i want a burrito [12:01:14] JodiS | MrDys: bad experiences with stats? [12:01:16] mjg_ | taco++ [12:01:19] erikhatcher | mjg_: wants "french" fries for lunch [12:01:25] jrochkind100 | taco: you [12:01:26] JodiS | http://library.brown.edu/dashboard [12:01:30] jrochkind100 | taco: you're in providence? [12:01:34] LibraryThingT | yay [12:01:34] gsf_ | fak3r: i'll try again [12:01:39] * jrochkind100 is assuming edsu's not pretneidng ot be taco again. [12:01:41] timmcgeary | dashboard++ [12:01:43] bess | yay for walking the open source walk! [12:01:44] cbeer | fak3r: I'm still getting 400 Bad Request from the proxy [12:01:52] andyashton | birkin ++ [12:01:54] JodiS | QR code awesome! [12:01:55] MrDys | JodiS: implementation/adoption is a big issue that isn't being addressed [12:01:56] LibraryThingT | Taco: Why do I need to go to NL, if you keep coming here? [12:01:58] jrochkind100 | cbeer: Yeah, me too, I get that. [12:01:58] timmcgeary | free_beer++ [12:02:02] ---| <<-- mbklein [i=root@nexus.dreamhost.com] has quit (Remote closed the connection) [12:02:05] JodiS | MrDys: interesting [12:02:12] fak3r | cbeer: dunno, sry. [12:02:14] jrochkind100 | cbeer: I'm (trying) using colloquoy on osx. [12:02:15] dlovins_ | Growing low-hanging fruit at the library data farm? [12:02:20] JodiS | royt++ [12:02:21] JodiS | royt++ [12:02:24] akorphan | font_engorge++ [12:02:24] abarrera | lunch++ [12:02:30] JodiS | royt++ [12:02:30] ---| <--- jstroop [i=46a4190c@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-e5524f865d297b07] has left #code4lib () [12:02:31] ---| ---> atz [i=46a4190c@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-5859aaace59db29f] has joined #code4lib [12:02:33] JodiS | royt++ [12:02:34] ecorrado | back_of_room: buy a telescope [12:02:36] ---| <<-- calvinm_ [i=calvinm@fraser.sfu.ca] has quit () [12:02:38] ---| <<-- paulalbert [n=paulalbe@wsip-70-164-25-36.ri.ri.cox.net] has quit () [12:02:41] cbeer | jrochkind100: i tried through telnet itself [12:02:41] ---| <<-- abarrera [n=abarrera@wsip-70-164-25-91.ri.ri.cox.net] has quit () [12:02:42] taco | royt++ [12:02:45] timmcgeary | ecorrado++ [12:02:46] MrDys | JodiS: something like that would work better in some instutions rather than others depending on the org structure and workflow for data reporting... 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[12:02:54] timmcgeary | lunch++ [12:02:55] JodiS | MrDys: right [12:02:55] escowles | half-hearted_applause-- [12:02:56] ---| <<-- timmcgeary [i=46a4190c@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-bc0e88ba559c22b4] has quit ("http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client") [12:03:01] ---| <<-- atz [i=46a4190c@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-5859aaace59db29f] has quit (Client Quit) [12:03:03] JodiS | MikeTaylor++ [12:03:06] JodiS | escowles: agreed [12:03:18] ---| <<-- erikhatcher [n=erik@wsip-70-164-25-61.ri.ri.cox.net] has quit () [12:03:22] andyashton | I prefer "smattering" to "half-hearted" [12:03:25] ---| <<-- BillDueber [n=dueberb@waffle.umdl.umich.edu] has quit () [12:03:27] ---| ---> mbklein [i=root@nexus.dreamhost.com] has joined #code4lib [12:03:31] ---| <--- decasm [i=46a4190c@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-93330e79070649a1] has left #code4lib () [12:03:31] cbeer | jrochkind100: thank the ibaud providers for their proxy system that makes us "Safer" [12:03:31] ---| <--- andyashton [i=46a4190c@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-082fbc8ef75c3983] has left #code4lib () [12:03:34] jrochkind100 | cbeer: I mean, we can connect to freenode, but then freenode decides we've made a bad request. huh? 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[12:14:37] skoczko | off to lunch? [12:14:42] smkiewel | getting food [12:14:48] ecorrado | food++ [12:15:30] smkiewel | benefits of being back: quick access to food - makes up for not being able to read slides [12:15:42] smkiewel | in back* [12:15:45] ---| <<-- erikstattin [i=46a4190c@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-58a681df05186337] has quit ("http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client") [12:16:17] ---| ---> mib_ta2hma [i=46a4190c@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-5fb81eeca97b8db4] has joined #code4lib [12:16:55] ---| <<-- mpark [n=mpark@128.148.216.27] has quit ("ChatZilla 0.9.84 [Firefox 3.0.6/2009011913]") [12:17:45] ---| <<-- jchen [i=46a4190c@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-987e492ab7f9b7f5] has quit ("http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client") [12:19:50] ---| ---> taco [i=46a4190c@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-afa8cb094d25d544] has joined #code4lib [12:19:53] ---| ---> pgwillia [n=chatzill@75.159.108.92] has joined #code4lib [12:19:57] zoia | New news from planetcode4lib: Engard, Nicole: NFAIS 2009: The Rise of Social Media and Multi-language Communication || del.icio.us: dashboard_beta :: dashboard information [12:22:51] ---| ---> royt [n=tennantr@wsip-70-164-25-106.ri.ri.cox.net] has joined #code4lib [12:23:16] ---| <<-- MrDys [i=MrDys@wsip-70-164-25-69.ri.ri.cox.net] has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) [12:24:43] papo | hum [12:24:46] ---| ---> mib_p6w31h89 [i=46a4190c@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-68b9966ad9a3fc71] has joined #code4lib [12:24:53] papo | anyone familiar with ExLibris' Verde in here? What's that? 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It's a eletronic resource/journal management thing [12:45:39] ---| <<-- wickr [n=wickr@c-24-21-35-5.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has quit (Nick collision from services.) [12:45:42] ---| User: *** wickr_ is now known as wickr [12:45:46] papo | jtgorman: is it cool? [12:45:48] jtgorman | papo: ie supposed to make it easy to tell if journal x is provided by one of the vendors/providers [12:45:49] ---| ---> jchen [i=46a4190c@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-3a60698ff173cdc2] has joined #code4lib [12:45:58] jtgorman | papo: we only got it recently and I haven't touched it at all [12:46:42] ---| <<-- mmmmmrob [n=mmmmmrob@62.172.77.66] has quit () [12:47:31] ---| ---> Baroquem [n=matt@wsip-70-164-25-72.ri.ri.cox.net] has joined #code4lib [12:47:43] papo | hm sounds like the same can be achieved by sticking together a few scripts to query the SFX knowledge base [12:47:49] papo | just with less bugs perhaps [12:48:35] ---| ---> mbklein [i=46a4190c@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-b0932d46fbe4e3d7] has joined #code4lib [12:48:55] akorphan | FOCUS! [12:49:02] zoia | New news from planetcode4lib: del.icio.us: Freebase Apps || Engard, Nicole: NFAIS 2009: The Rise of Social Media and Multi-language Communication || Engard, Nicole: NFAIS 2009: The Impact of Global Digital Natives || Engard, Nicole: ‡biblios.net Video Tutorials anarchivist [n=anarchiv@wsip-70-164-25-84.ri.ri.cox.net] has joined #code4lib [12:52:56] jtgorman | of course, we also have a crazy amount of resources as well... [12:53:04] papo | yes so do we [12:53:32] ---| ---> gam [i=46a4190c@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-fd1ea5e5b1523f4a] has joined #code4lib [12:53:34] papo | it's just that I'm just not in the mood for one more miserable ExLibris product :( [12:54:00] ---| ---> gbilder [i=46a4190c@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-25cbd11af6d6759a] has joined #code4lib [12:54:08] anarchivist | @quote random [12:54:10] zoia | anarchivist: Quote #888: "< artunit> a URL is your contract with the world" (added by edsu at 05:18 PM, June 06, 2007) [12:54:18] anarchivist | BigD: http://www.flickr.com/photos/anarchivist/3305775662/ [12:54:30] mbklein | @quote search metadata [12:54:44] zoia | mbklein: 24 found: #1272: " A little bit of structured metadata...", #1517: ": EAD, the metadata format designed to...", #1537: "< wickr> metadata is cruel...", #1545: " Metadata needs more catsuits", #160: " metadata is my attitude", #191: " metadata is like unto a bird on the...", #20: " death is easy, metadata is hard", #334: " sucky metadata is still sucky (3 more messages) [12:54:53] mbklein | @quote get 1517 [12:54:54] zoia | mbklein: Quote #1517: ": EAD, the metadata format designed to punish technologists" (added by royt at 05:28 PM, September 16, 2008) [12:55:28] anarchivist | @karma ead [12:55:30] zoia | anarchivist: Karma for "ead" has been increased 0 times and decreased 3 times for a total karma of -3. [12:55:34] anarchivist | ead-- [12:55:36] anarchivist | @karma eac [12:55:36] zoia | anarchivist: eac has neutral karma. [12:55:39] anarchivist | eac++ [12:55:56] ---| ---> dansuchy [i=896e10a2@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-2daeb61f6be0e216] has joined #code4lib [12:56:56] ---| ---> Kerwick [i=46a4190c@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-93490557c693da38] has joined #code4lib [12:57:01] MrDys | there's a posse on the stage [12:57:08] ---| ---> paulalbert [n=paulalbe@wsip-70-164-25-36.ri.ri.cox.net] has joined #code4lib [12:57:08] ---| <<-- rjw_ [n=rjw@wsip-70-164-25-108.ri.ri.cox.net] has quit () [12:57:38] dansuchy | still no bacon. ham, but no bacon. [12:57:51] ---| ---> mbklein_ [i=root@nexus.dreamhost.com] has joined #code4lib [12:57:57] ---| ---> timmcgeary [i=46a4190c@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-c04862263c11a496] has joined #code4lib [12:58:09] ---| ---> jstroop [n=jstroop@lib-staff579.Princeton.EDU] has joined #code4lib [12:58:22] ---| <<-- mbklein [i=46a4190c@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-b0932d46fbe4e3d7] has quit (Nick collision from services.) [12:58:29] ---| User: *** mbklein_ is now known as mbklein [12:58:35] lbjay | anarchivist: res for 8 at 7pm [12:58:36] ---| <<-- mbklein [i=root@nexus.dreamhost.com] has quit (Client Quit) [12:58:43] anarchivist | lbjay++ [12:58:53] ---| ---> mib_dpon5ltq [i=46a4190c@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-84360755f1a03d84] has joined #code4lib [12:59:34] ---| ---> mbklein [i=46a4190c@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-323b52671b5acd7a] has joined #code4lib [12:59:46] papo | jtgorman: hm from what I understand, the most "worthy" part of Verde is this knowledge base which gets synced regularly. I've read somewhere that verde and sfx knowledge base were merged back in 2007 [13:00:02] papo | if that's true, I should have everything needed to but together that stuff on my own [13:00:15] timmcgeary | when we evaluated Verde in 2007, it was NOT merged with SFX [13:00:28] royt | lbjay: is your offer to MC still good? If so, you get Friday [13:00:34] royt | Thursday, I mean [13:00:45] ---| ---> mib_xxmepy6r [i=46a4190c@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-d511f61cf832d90a] has joined #code4lib [13:01:17] ---| ---> ccatalfo [i=46a4190c@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-0836f6b50c83f47b] has joined #code4lib [13:01:20] ---| ---> charper [i=46a4190c@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-bf7b9f2ad70dffb4] has joined #code4lib [13:01:39] lbjay | royt: cool. awesome :) [13:01:47] jtgorman | papo: yeah, I don't know anything about that [13:01:47] MrDys | I can't believe #c4l09 isn't trending on twitter yet [13:01:50] MrDys | get tweeting, people [13:01:51] lbjay | @decide cool or awesome [13:01:51] zoia | lbjay: go with cool [13:01:54] ---| ---> BillDueber [n=dueberb@waffle.umdl.umich.edu] has joined #code4lib [13:01:57] ---| ---> ksdrake [i=46a4190c@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-7e50dfbc65fe068a] has joined #code4lib [13:02:00] ---| ---> mib_qg0sa564 [i=46a4190c@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-19163e015c560779] has joined #code4lib [13:02:01] jtgorman | papo: dealing with Voyager on a regular basis is abuse enough for me [13:02:13] pmurray | MrDys: Twitter > IRC? [13:02:14] jtgorman | papo: we have another poor soul that gets to deal with SFX and Verde [13:02:19] papo | :) [13:02:31] MrDys | pmurray: of course not [13:02:36] ---| ---> cbarr [i=46a4190c@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-5ae318f4f2d6b449] has joined #code4lib [13:02:41] ---| ---> highermath [i=46a4190c@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-35268f637410f266] has joined #code4lib [13:02:47] lbjay | royt: i'll try not to spill beer on all my good shirts by then [13:02:49] ecorrado | edsu++ [13:02:51] mbklein | to pump...YOU UP [13:02:52] akorphan | strawberry_cake++ [13:02:53] abarrera | hanz++ franz-- [13:03:08] abarrera | my_iphone-- [13:03:13] mbklein | NERRRRRRRDS! [13:03:17] mib_p6w31h89 | put that thing away mike [13:03:22] ---| User: *** mib_p6w31h89 is now known as fak3r [13:03:22] ecorrado | @sing the dead milkmen : swordfish [13:03:23] dchud | them's my people! 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[13:03:37] ---| ---> kat3 [i=46a4190c@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-ce5df61548437476] has joined #code4lib [13:03:38] ---| ---> rsinger [n=rsinger@wsip-70-164-25-73.ri.ri.cox.net] has joined #code4lib [13:03:38] ---| ---> decasm [i=46a4190c@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-6da0940b784399da] has joined #code4lib [13:03:39] anarchivist | swordfish++ [13:03:45] mbklein | dchud: Admitting you have a problem is the first step in recovery [13:03:47] fak3r | run it locally [13:03:48] dchud | trombones++ [13:03:58] ---| ---> endupok [i=46a4190c@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-c8bbf4982b8a6aee] has joined #code4lib [13:03:59] fak3r | mbklein: and apparently the first step in a presentation [13:04:15] ---| ---> rjw [n=rjw@wsip-70-164-25-108.ri.ri.cox.net] has joined #code4lib [13:04:21] ---| ---> erikhatcher [n=erik@wsip-70-164-25-61.ri.ri.cox.net] has joined #code4lib [13:04:21] lbjay | that's the same sound that the Death Roy makes. weird. [13:04:24] ---| ---> kevin7kal [n=kevin7ka@300bd-210.tlt.psu.edu] has joined #code4lib [13:04:24] ---| ---> kgs [n=chatzill@wsip-70-164-25-117.ri.ri.cox.net] has joined #code4lib [13:04:24] MrDys | fak3r: they were going to, but mjgiarlo's laptop is on wireless and it's not communicating with the podium laptop stably [13:04:37] mib_xxmepy6r | supository [13:04:38] ---| ---> mpark [n=mpark@128.148.216.27] has joined #code4lib [13:04:43] ---| ---> lxming [n=liux@132-174-199-77.ip.oclc.org] has joined #code4lib [13:04:55] ejk | we need Fibre to the Podium [13:05:02] anarchivist | ejk: metamucil? [13:05:03] fak3r | MrDys: damn, yeah that's what we were trying the FW seems to block int <-> int connections - 25 is the only thing open [13:05:06] ---| ---> bradw [i=46a4190c@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-d439bbf97ec60807] has joined #code4lib [13:05:20] fak3r | MrDys: I would have brought a router and helped out, would have been fun [13:05:27] ecorrado | suxx0r++ [13:05:33] BigD | could they use a less contrasty font? [13:05:34] royt | lbjay: that's ok, if you have beer stains you'll just fit in [13:05:38] BigD | i can see this way too well [13:05:41] MrDys | too bad atz shipped back the router he brought [13:05:41] BillDueber | fak3r: You keep using that word "fun". I do not think it means what you think it means. [13:05:43] Kerwick | l33t speak-- [13:05:44] fak3r | they forgot the '!1!1!!!one' [13:05:46] BigD | what am i going to whine about? [13:05:48] ---| ---> cwulfman [n=user@lib-staff900.Princeton.EDU] has joined #code4lib [13:05:50] mbklein | Is it really too much to expect that a facility that earns its bread and butter through conferences have wireless that's at least as good as the local community college? [13:05:51] ---| <<-- eom [i=46a4190c@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-a42d8bb437db0aba] has quit ("http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client") [13:05:54] anarchivist | oai-pmh looks like lolspeak in lowercase [13:05:56] fak3r | BigD: your choice [13:05:59] ---| ---> jrochkind100 [i=46a4190c@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-11d192f2dfe48b65] has joined #code4lib [13:06:01] mbklein | BigD: you'll find something [13:06:04] abarrera | BigD: stop looking at mjgiarlo lovingly [13:06:08] anarchivist | O HAI IM HARVESTIN UR R3PO [13:06:09] fak3r | stealing is bad, m'k? [13:06:11] kat3 | the user rarely looks that happy [13:06:18] ---| User: *** highermath is now known as highermath_at_co [13:06:19] mbklein | AAGH! DIAGRAM HEADACHE [13:06:20] akorphan | oai-pmh cat iz watching u code4lib [13:06:20] BigD | abarrera: that's not possible [13:06:24] fak3r | I KAN HAZ YRS DATA? [13:06:34] * dchud hates the lolz [13:06:38] ecorrado | is mjgiarlo tht lolcat of this presentation? [13:06:40] ---| User: *** highermath_at_co is now known as highermath_code4 [13:06:46] anarchivist | ecorrado: no, dchud is [13:06:47] mib_xxmepy6r | spolier alert... funny pic coming up [13:06:48] ---| ---> cdc [i=46a4190c@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-40387e845bdfa980] has joined #code4lib [13:06:54] mbklein | AAGH! DIAGRAM HEADACHE [13:06:55] ---| ---> jfereira [i=46a41923@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-d838e8062a344365] has joined #code4lib [13:06:56] ecorrado | anarchivist++ [13:07:03] akorphan | FOCUS! [13:07:05] fak3r | spoiler: the dog dies [13:07:07] dhanu | what was the pic? i missed it [13:07:13] abarrera | ecorrado: no he's the pointless, knowledgless sidekick [13:07:17] ---| ---> dlovins [i=46a4190c@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-508889f988702364] has joined #code4lib [13:07:18] akorphan | spoiler: she's a guy! [13:07:19] ---| ---> motorgirl [i=46a4190c@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-6c11f93092b4fdb3] has joined #code4lib [13:07:19] mib_xxmepy6r | and sanpe kills duberdore [13:07:20] ---| ---> bess [i=46a4190c@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-44f5011976e081a0] has joined #code4lib [13:07:24] dchud | pretty feed picture [13:07:26] ecorrado | abarrera: that is a giving [13:07:29] ---| ---> ejlynema [i=46a4190c@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-2059fc3e505fad80] has joined #code4lib [13:07:30] anarchivist | abarrera: he's a guy with the SWORD [13:07:39] emcrens | Was that the funny pic? [13:07:39] ---| ---> erikstattin [i=46a4190c@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-bb69171c5ba10c4e] has joined #code4lib [13:07:41] kgs | @wunder pvd [13:07:43] BigD | mjgiarlo's up there as beefcake [13:07:43] zoia | kgs: The current temperature in Providence, Rhode Island is 33.8°F (12:51 PM EST on February 24, 2009). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 35%. Dew Point: 8.6°F. Windchill: 23.0°F. Pressure: 30.16 in 1021 hPa (Steady). [13:07:44] dchud | it's just too bad a macmini had to be sacrified to make that icon [13:07:51] mbklein | Huh. A syndicated feed in convenient brick form. [13:07:52] ---| User: *** mib_qg0sa564 is now known as mouwd [13:07:53] fak3r | they still have the pointer on the screen [13:07:55] ---| ---> chickmarkley [i=46a4190c@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-53af9047c31db11a] has joined #code4lib [13:07:56] ecorrado | @votes 2010 [13:07:56] abarrera | BigD: more like baconcake [13:07:57] anarchivist | dchud++ [13:07:57] zoia | ecorrado: i get no joy from this http://icanhascheezburger.com/2008/04/20/funny-pictures-finds-no-joy-in-his-job/ [13:08:02] ---| User: *** gsf is now known as gsf_ [13:08:06] ecorrado | @vote2010 [13:08:08] zoia | ecorrado: http://www.stopabductions.com/ [13:08:09] anarchivist | abarrera++ [13:08:11] ---| ---> andyashton [i=46a4190c@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-e1893f473de5cef0] has joined #code4lib [13:08:12] anarchivist | @hosts2010 [13:08:13] zoia | anarchivist: Asheville, NC [202]; Austin, TX [177]; Madison, WI [154]; Columbus, OH [108]; Bloomington, IN [83] [13:08:13] BigD | abarrera: now i just love him mote [13:08:15] BigD | more [13:08:15] anarchivist | @hosts2011 [13:08:16] zoia | anarchivist: Hooker, Oklahoma [95]; Panic, Pennsylvania [92]; Yeehaw Junction, Florida [78]; Ben Hur, Texas [58]; Hot Coffee, Mississippi [42]; Magazine, Arkansas [3] [13:08:17] ---| <<-- ksdrake [i=46a4190c@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-7e50dfbc65fe068a] has quit ("http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client") [13:08:20] ecorrado | anarchivist++ [13:08:33] ejlynema | oh, yes. c4lj is *also* working on an article about oai-ore. :) see next issue in 1 month. [13:08:33] ---| ---> jbrinley [i=46a4190c@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-d073031e7fc365d9] has joined #code4lib [13:08:39] fak3r | FB-- [13:08:45] ---| ---> agd [i=46a4190c@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-5996ac939a32c6b7] has joined #code4lib [13:08:45] ---| ---> robcaSSon [i=46a4190c@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-15e2d7be4c2af7c1] has joined #code4lib [13:08:51] jtgorman | fak3r: what did they do now? [13:09:05] mbklein | Pee Dee Eff? [13:09:11] ---| ---> ksdrake [i=46a4190c@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-4491d74171cfe767] has joined #code4lib [13:09:26] fak3r | jtgorman: just a FB mention [13:09:31] ---| <<-- jbrinley [i=46a4190c@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-d073031e7fc365d9] has quit (Client Quit) [13:09:31] fak3r | nice icon [13:09:31] * akorphan isn't sure where the buy-in from PDF came from. [13:09:36] ---| ---> scolford [i=46a4190c@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-d5c74a567cdb9eb0] has joined #code4lib [13:09:40] mbklein | ejlynema++ # keepin' them honest. [13:09:40] taco | you canot haz pee on da elf [13:09:47] ---| ---> escowles [i=46a41974@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-bbe63a9efbcff0b8] has joined #code4lib [13:09:48] akorphan | err, buy in -for- pdf [13:10:05] fak3r | it's the pee to the dee to the eff, ya'll [13:10:05] ---| <--- gam [i=46a4190c@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-fd1ea5e5b1523f4a] has left #code4lib () [13:10:13] ---| ---> jbrinley [i=46a4190c@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-fcfb3eab1bc50571] has joined #code4lib [13:10:14] ---| ---> gsf [i=gsf@manheim.library.drexel.edu] has joined #code4lib [13:10:15] zoia | Ŧåĸŏ [13:10:40] lbjay | mjgiarlo++ [13:10:43] mbklein | akorphan: Adobe rammed it down the throat of their corporate and gov't users and everyone else just fell in line. [13:10:43] * jtgorman decides he's just going to buy some headphone to keep at work [13:10:46] bess | mjgiarlo++ [13:10:46] royt | i need one volunteer to help dchud herd lightning talkers...any takers? [13:10:52] fak3r | iphones are so 2008 - pass it on [13:10:54] kat3 | that just happened [13:10:59] ejk | asciiart++ [13:11:01] gsf | mjgiarlo: best when he doesn't speak [13:11:04] kat3 | and was awesome [13:11:08] timmcgeary | fak34-- [13:11:12] bess | royt: what does that person need to do? I could help. [13:11:15] anarchivist | can someone make sure i have a visible timer? [13:11:17] royt | bess: you're hired [13:11:24] royt | bess: not sure yet, stay tuned [13:11:25] jtgorman | royt: I hear rumors that rsinger has a roomba. See if he's bought it. I'm sure he's modified it to have a herding function. [13:11:25] bess | royt: what do I do? [13:11:31] bess | okay, staying tuned [13:11:34] mbklein | mjgiarlo's light saber tells time?! [13:11:41] ecorrado | anarchivist: we'll have timers up here as long as royt isn't IRCing [13:11:42] scolford | roomba++ [13:11:47] ---| ---> abrin [n=adam@wsip-70-164-25-111.ri.ri.cox.net] has joined #code4lib [13:11:50] ---| ---> ranti [i=2308dd82@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-4b302238b5aa36fd] has joined #code4lib [13:11:51] rsinger | somehow i did not pack my roomba [13:11:55] jbrinley | mbklein: no, the force tells time, the light saber helps him focus [13:12:29] lbjay | mike gets entranced by the yellow wallpaper... [13:12:44] ---| <<-- andyashton [i=46a4190c@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-e1893f473de5cef0] has quit (Client Quit) [13:12:48] rsinger | noop [13:12:48] MrDys | lbjay: are you dying? [13:12:58] emcrens | Not as clumsy or as random as a blaster, but an elegant weapon for telling time. [13:13:01] anarchivist | he was looking longingly at the corner [13:13:08] * jtgorman gets tempted yet again to go home to where it's nice and quiet and work from home [13:13:16] fak3r | mjgiarlo: looks like a bouncer up there [13:13:17] BigD | pining for the fjords [13:13:20] bess | aaargh! the yellow wallpaper! I'm being oppressed by victorian sexual repression and hypocrisy! [13:13:33] fak3r | mjgiarlo: "sorry, private party" [13:13:38] ---| ---> gszxcv [i=46a4190c@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-f8f8b96b43fa7a4f] has joined #code4lib [13:13:42] bess | obscure_literary_allusions++ # at least I amuse myself [13:13:43] jtgorman | bess: don't worry, I'll be along in a bit to help you get those people out of it [13:13:46] MrDys | cover looks oddly similar to our yellow wallpaper: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/f/fa/YellowWallpaperCover.jpg [13:13:52] jtgorman | bess: not that obscure to me ;) [13:13:54] ecorrado | mjgiarlo is there to force esu off the stage when his 20 minutes is up [13:14:07] * gsf checks for an earbud on mjgiarlo [13:14:09] jtgorman | bess: but I read way too many scary stories as a kid ;) [13:14:13] rsinger | bums_rusher++ [13:14:16] JodiS | papo: Verde is an ERM. Supposed to have the capability to pull in license data, eventually harvest with SUSHI. Backend mgmt tool [13:14:23] fak3r | conclusion_page-- [13:14:28] abarrera | hanz++ franz-- [13:14:29] scolford | "sorry, private party all night" [13:14:47] ejk | @sing beastie boys: pass the mike [13:15:12] gsf | don't give the toy to ed [13:15:28] ---| ---> asnagy [i=46a4190c@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-b6f39e82fa1fe8f0] has joined #code4lib [13:15:42] zoia | ejk: No lyrics for pass the mike by beastie boys. Searched lyricwiki & lyricsty [13:15:59] timmcgeary | font++ [13:16:02] ---| ---> andyashton [i=46a4190c@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-263456565278e595] has joined #code4lib [13:16:04] BillDueber | put it away!!!!!!! [13:16:09] kgs | font_awareness++ [13:16:15] ---| <<-- jchen [i=46a4190c@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-3a60698ff173cdc2] has quit ("http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client") [13:16:18] JodiS | @later tell mjgiarlo What point size is that font? [13:16:19] zoia | JodiS: The operation succeeded. [13:16:19] timmcgeary | BillDueber: that's what she said [13:16:20] akorphan | asnagy: Do you pronounce it "Nooj" in the traditional Hungarian manner? [13:16:34] gsf | the lightsabre is for keeping us awake [13:16:46] rosy1280 | demonstrations are good...even when its just a pdf [13:16:59] asnagy | akorphan: no - i bastardize my last name and pronounce it in "american" [13:17:01] anarchivist | demos-- [13:17:01] ---| <<-- BLTnoTomato [i=837a6839@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-cd863af55cd507d4] has quit ("http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client") [13:17:11] anarchivist | failure++ [13:17:16] ecorrado | e-prints++ [13:17:18] ---| ---> cfitz [n=chatzill@wsip-70-164-25-82.ri.ri.cox.net] has joined #code4lib [13:17:21] ranti | Wait, uh, no real sword involved there? [13:17:21] ---| ---> jchen [i=46a4190c@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-935ca7cb82c11ad1] has joined #code4lib [13:17:22] dlovins | "Throw up a PDF document" sounds painful. [13:17:23] scolford | throwing_up_pdf-- [13:17:33] anarchivist | i think i did that the weekend before last [13:17:40] abarrera | eating_pdf_w_bacon++ [13:17:42] JodiS | does somebody have a laser pointer? [13:17:43] akorphan | OK, I just got that the light saber is some kind of pun. Sheesh, slow today. [13:17:45] papo | JodiS: ok, thank you. Is it cool? [13:17:47] * JodiS is used to waving at the screen [13:17:53] mbklein | mjgiarlo has totally bought into the metaphor. [13:17:54] anarchivist | edsu-- [13:17:58] JodiS | papo: don't use it first hand. hard to tell. [13:18:01] zoia | New news from planetcode4lib: Matienzo, Mark: Go FOAF Yourself [13:18:03] jfereira | I have a laser pointer in my pocket and I'm not afraid to use it [13:18:05] MrDys | this is the year of sound effects [13:18:06] ---| ---> kreiss [i=46a4190c@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-81eaea51016fbd65] has joined #code4lib [13:18:17] gsf | jfereira: use it [13:18:29] BigD | jfereira: dot his head! [13:18:37] rsinger | standards_schmandards [13:19:04] jrochkind100 | verde is NOT cool. [13:19:09] * jbrinley waits for the lightning talk on the schmandard standard [13:19:10] abarrera | @later tell mjgiarlo stop talking about your package [13:19:10] ---| <<-- abrin [n=adam@wsip-70-164-25-111.ri.ri.cox.net] has quit () [13:19:12] fak3r | a package could be a birthday present! [13:19:15] timmcgeary | perl++ [13:19:17] BillDueber | jrochkind100++, verde-- verde-- verde-- [13:19:20] ---| ---> cazzerson [i=46a4190c@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-0acbc0dd513686a9] has joined #code4lib [13:19:21] JodiS | jrochkind100: more details? [13:19:22] fak3r | type it out, na, up arrow is all ya need [13:19:30] cbarr | verde-- [13:19:36] zoia | abarrera: The operation succeeded. [13:19:39] mbklein | fak3r: Step 2: Put your package in the box [13:19:42] akorphan | cazzerson: tell zoia your foaf uri [13:19:43] fak3r | cobra_verde++ [13:19:51] jfereira | waiting for him to use the sword... [13:19:51] jrochkind100 | JodiS: Exactly. It needs some more details. It doens't do anything. [13:19:53] fak3r | mbklein++ [13:19:54] MrDys | salsa_verde++ [13:19:56] scolford | mbklein++ [13:20:04] taco | cobra_commander++ [13:20:10] JodiS | jrochkind100: is it a structure that COULD be useful in the future? [13:20:13] BillDueber | jrochkind100: UMich officially gave up on Verde about a month ago. [13:20:15] anarchivist | going_commando++ [13:20:15] rsinger | destro++ [13:20:16] fak3r | contra2++ [13:20:22] rsinger | @whatis Destro [13:20:25] * JodiS thinks SUSHI harvesting support would be really good, if it's really coming [13:20:26] zoia | rsinger: subgroup: Iron Grenadiers
Star Brigade Armor Tech; function: Weapons supplier; debut: 1983; abstract: Destro is a fictional villain from G.I. Joe, a military-themed line of toys from Hasbro. He first appeared in the G.I. Joe: A Real American Hero line. He is portrayed by Christopher Eccleston in the motion picture set for release in 2009.; realname: Destro XXIV, James McCullen; (1 more message) [13:20:26] ---| <<-- eikeon_ [n=eikeon@pool-71-178-109-39.washdc.east.verizon.net] has quit () [13:20:32] jrochkind100 | BillDueber: Wow, you gave up on it? That's big. [13:20:33] akorphan | @known nick uri [13:20:34] zoia | akorphan: (known []) -- Returns the URI associated with the given nick. Defaults to the calling user. If no nick given, returns a list of nicks which have an associated URI. [13:20:41] dbs | Ontario is close to giving up on Verde. [13:20:43] akorphan | err, @know nick uri [13:20:46] ---| ---> was [n=wschneid@65-112-121-29.dia.static.qwest.net] has joined #code4lib [13:21:01] mbklein | @know [13:21:01] dbs | (at least, those poor sucker institutions that were piloting it) [13:21:02] zoia | mbklein: (know [] ) -- Associates the given URI with the given nick. If the nick already has a URI, it will be forgotten. Defaults to the calling user. [13:21:20] cazzerson | @know cazzerson http://www.monkey.org/~caz/foaf.rdf#jmcasden [13:21:21] BillDueber | jrochkind100: Yup. Our systems guys have already reclaimed the server. And I'm walkin' on sunshine (Yeah yeah!) [13:21:21] rsinger | reference_implementations_of_wildly_overblown_specs-- [13:21:22] zoia | cazzerson: cazzerson's URI is now [13:21:26] akorphan | @knows akorphan kazzerson [13:21:27] zoia | akorphan: I don't know kazzerson's URI [13:21:31] akorphan | @knows akorphan cazzerson [13:21:32] zoia | akorphan: akorphan does not know cazzerson, but cazzerson knows akorphan. [13:21:33] * fak3r images webuis [13:21:35] JodiS | @known [13:21:35] zoia JodiS: I know URIs for the following users: BillDueber, JodiS, MrDys, akorphan, anarchivist, cazzerson, fak3r, flighty, gsf, jbrinley, kgs, ksclarke, lbjay, mbklein, mjg_, rsinger, scolford, wickr, zoia [13:21:39] akorphan | hmm. [13:21:41] mbklein | @foaf cazzerson knows [13:21:43] zoia | mbklein: cazzerson : , , [13:21:51] anarchivist | @foaf anarchivist knows [13:21:53] pmurray | @know http://dltj.org/foaf/foaf.rdf#me [13:21:53] zoia | anarchivist: anarchivist : , , , , , , , , , (1 more message) [13:21:55] zoia | pmurray: pmurray's URI is now [13:21:57] jbrinley | @list foaf [13:21:58] zoia | jbrinley: common, foaf, forget, know, known, knows, and predicates [13:21:58] JodiS | hmm... A before a [13:21:59] lbjay | mbklein: FOAF_plugin++ [13:22:02] anarchivist | @more [13:22:02] akorphan | @foaf akorphan knows [13:22:02] zoia | anarchivist: , , , [13:22:04] zoia | akorphan: akorphan : [13:22:06] escowles | @know http://ticklefish.org/esme/foaf.rdf#escowles [13:22:06] zoia | escowles: escowles's URI is now [13:22:07] mib_xxmepy6r | cross swords [13:22:07] JodiS | @foaf predicates [13:22:08] zoia | JodiS: (foaf predicates ) -- Displays the relationships that have been asserted by the given nick about the other nick or URI. [13:22:11] pmurray | @foaf pmurray knows [13:22:13] zoia | pmurray: pmurray : "cwQaxxQq2377", "cwQaxxQq2380", "cwQaxxQq2378", "cwQaxxQq2382", "cwQaxxQq2375", "cwQaxxQq2381", "cwQaxxQq2374", "cwQaxxQq2376", "cwQaxxQq2383", "cwQaxxQq2373", "cwQaxxQq2379", "cwQaxxQq2384" [13:22:20] jbrinley | @common jbrinley mbklein pmurray [13:22:21] mbklein | yowza [13:22:22] zoia | jbrinley: Error: I tried to send you an empty message. [13:22:25] JodiS | @foaf predicates jbrinley [13:22:26] cazzerson | anarchivist: I switched mine from foaf.xml to foaf.rdf to return proper mimetype [13:22:26] zoia | JodiS: (foaf predicates ) -- Displays the relationships that have been asserted by the given nick about the other nick or URI. [13:22:27] lbjay | blanknodes-- [13:22:32] jbrinley | @common jbrinley mbklein [13:22:33] zoia | jbrinley: Error: I tried to send you an empty message. [13:22:34] mbklein | @common interest jbrinley mbklein pmurray [13:22:36] zoia | mbklein: , , [13:22:38] anarchivist | cazzerson: yeah, i'm lazy [13:22:39] fak3r | hey, sword sounds about as backwards compat as fedora-commons [13:22:46] rsinger | @foaf rsinger interest [13:22:46] jbrinley | @common zoia gsf [13:22:50] zoia | rsinger: rsinger : , , , , "library technology", [13:22:51] zoia | jbrinley: Error: I tried to send you an empty message. [13:22:51] mbklein | jbrinley: The first argument has to be a foaf: predicate [13:22:54] timmcgeary | cup+fork++ [13:22:54] fak3r | *crickets* [13:23:01] ---| ---> steambadger [i=46a4190c@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-bcff3c5d1b9442ae] has joined #code4lib [13:23:05] pmurray | lbjay: Blank nodes is why I got that odd result? [13:23:06] mbklein | @common [13:23:06] zoia | mbklein: (common , [, ...]) -- Returns the objects that all nicks have in common related to the given predicate. [13:23:10] jbrinley | @common interest zoia gsf [13:23:12] zoia | jbrinley: , [13:23:12] lbjay | it's the Death Roy! [13:23:16] ejk | sniper! [13:23:19] jrochkind100 | a knife and a fork, a bottle and a cork, that's the way you spell new york. [13:23:21] ---| ---> mib_bd21r8jm [i=46a4190c@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-6c4cec282859f7be] has joined #code4lib [13:23:31] fak3r | jrochkind100++ [13:23:38] bess | anarchivist++ # just on general principle [13:23:41] mbklein | Please don't add royt's foaf back in. It keeps hurting zoia. [13:23:43] lbjay | this guy again... [13:23:49] mbklein | (Sorry, royt) [13:23:56] mbklein | @ana royt's foaf hurts zoia [13:23:57] zoia | mbklein: Hazy of riotous farts [13:24:03] mbklein | zoia-- [13:24:04] cazzerson | @knows akorphan [13:24:05] zoia | cazzerson: (knows ) -- Determines if the two given nicks know each other based on their registered FOAFs. [13:24:10] mib_xxmepy6r | loud [13:24:15] rosy1280 | very loud [13:24:17] MrDys | it always sounds like his last name is a ninja [13:24:22] akorphan | @known akorphan [13:24:22] zoia | akorphan: akorphan's URI is [13:24:24] ---| ---> liza31337 [i=root@tak.dreamhost.com] has joined #code4lib [13:24:26] abarrera | mjgiarlo: there is bacon grease on my phone now [13:24:27] ---| ---> ethomsen [i=46a4190c@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-6719374a2afee366] has joined #code4lib [13:24:28] BigD | ninja boots [13:24:29] jrochkind100 | instead, I'm going to do my stand up routine. [13:24:31] charper | @know http://harper.bobst.nyu.edu/data/foaf.rdf#me [13:24:32] fak3r | this was one of the talks I wanted to see....thought it was a cool idea [13:24:32] zoia | charper: charper's URI is now [13:24:36] gsf | anarchivist works the crowd [13:24:37] mib_ta2hma | anarchivist kicks a hole in the speaker, pulls the plug, then he jets. [13:24:39] timmcgeary | rock the mic [13:24:40] liza31337 | omg finally [13:24:44] ---| User: *** mib_ta2hma is now known as mjg_ [13:24:45] robcaSSon | back to the lab [13:24:48] mbklein | @knows mbklein charper [13:24:48] fak3r | knee_high_boots++ [13:24:50] zoia | mbklein: mbklein and charper do not know each other. [13:24:52] robcaSSon | w/o a mic to grab [13:25:02] abarrera | i hope he doesn't start singing Barry Manilow songs [13:25:03] BillDueber | one_slide_talk++ [13:25:04] fak3r | click 'next' [13:25:08] mbklein | holy crap, jbrinley, the thing actually works as advertised. :D [13:25:23] jbrinley | mbklein++ [13:25:27] BigD | "Oh Mandy...!" [13:25:34] * kat3 will be taking pictures of *every* slide on this presentation [13:25:37] fak3r | ead-- # apparently [13:25:40] rosy1280 | barry was here in providence a couple of weeks ago [13:25:51] timmcgeary | barry_manilow++ [13:25:54] erikhatcher | glen newton in here? [13:25:54] dchud | reporting_negative_results++ [13:26:02] BigD | barry_manilow++ [13:26:05] ecorrado | dchud: agreed [13:26:07] erikhatcher | for glen: http://blogs.sun.com/searchguy/entry/indexing_an_sql_database_or [13:26:08] BigD | REO++ [13:26:13] ecorrado | anarchivist++ [13:26:14] mbklein | Barry recorded a cover of "Never Gonna Give You Up" last year. [13:26:19] MrDys | I keep thinking that anarchivist is going to scream into the mic like Henry ROllins [13:26:19] rosy1280 | fanillows++ [13:26:27] mjg_ | abarrera++ # for making that presentation a success [13:26:37] ---| <<-- ahagenbruch [n=chatzill@leto.ub.ruhr-uni-bochum.de] has quit ("ChatZilla 0.9.84 [Firefox 3.0/2008052912]") [13:26:41] BigD | countdown to c4l09's first rickroll [13:26:46] abarrera | mjgiarlo: only cause c4l has low standards for you [13:26:48] taco | henry rollins++ [13:26:55] MrDys | s/standards/tolerance/ [13:26:59] akorphan | @knows akorphan cazzerson [13:26:59] zoia | akorphan: akorphan and cazzerson know each other. [13:27:03] BigD | mjg_ success? [13:27:04] ---| <<-- cdc [i=46a4190c@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-40387e845bdfa980] has quit ("http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client") [13:27:04] ---| <<-- jchen [i=46a4190c@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-935ca7cb82c11ad1] has quit ("http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client") [13:27:18] mbklein | @common knows akorphan cazzerson [13:27:20] bess | how do you tell zoia about a foaf file? [13:27:20] zoia | mbklein: Error: I tried to send you an empty message. [13:27:23] JodiS | kat3: they'll also be up at http://code4lib.org/conference/2009/schedule eventually [13:27:27] mib_xxmepy6r | lolcat slides this year so far = 0 [13:27:31] JodiS | anarchavist++ #best photos ever [13:27:31] mbklein | @know [13:27:32] zoia | mbklein: (know [] ) -- Associates the given URI with the given nick. If the nick already has a URI, it will be forgotten. Defaults to the calling user. [13:27:33] ---| ---> Hammer [i=46a4190c@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-f887ee3d68bf261b] has joined #code4lib [13:27:33] kgs | bess @know [13:27:33] fak3r | mjg_ so it sounds like backwards compat isn't part of sword? [13:27:36] mjg_ | BigD: yeah, man, there's like this pile of bacon back here. in absence of accolades, bacon is acceptable. [13:27:36] ---| ---> MikeTaylor [i=46a4190c@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-44b3b922fb54b198] has joined #code4lib [13:27:39] wtd | @knows wtd ksclarke [13:27:40] zoia | wtd: I don't know wtd's URI [13:27:53] ---| ---> fdadf [i=46a4190c@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-d5f3f1fbf5e8abbc] has joined #code4lib [13:27:58] bess | @know www.ibiblio.org/bess/foaf.rdf#me [13:27:58] zoia | bess: Error: 'www.ibiblio.org/bess/foaf.rdf#me' is not a valid url. [13:28:02] fak3r | I can haz interns? (no) [13:28:03] mjg_ | fak3r: it's still fairly newish [13:28:07] bess | @know www.ibiblio.org/bess/foaf.rdf [13:28:07] zoia | bess: Error: 'www.ibiblio.org/bess/foaf.rdf' is not a valid url. [13:28:10] * jtgorman sighs at a librarian from another CARLI school who will go unname who sent an email to us complaining about stuff in our catalog [13:28:12] bess | d'oh [13:28:12] mbklein | bess: include the http:// [13:28:25] ---| ---> jchen [i=46a4190c@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-9bd0c848f2bb606b] has joined #code4lib [13:28:25] akorphan | @common [13:28:25] bess | @know http://www.ibiblio.org/bess/foaf.rdf#me [13:28:26] zoia | akorphan: (common , [, ...]) -- Returns the objects that all nicks have in common related to the given predicate. [13:28:27] jtgorman | gee...folks...could you stop complaining to us and complain to CARLI...please? [13:28:27] zoia | bess: bess's URI is now [13:28:30] fak3r | gross [13:28:34] gsf | grossest pb&j ever [13:28:36] MikeTaylor | Write your talk, Seb! [13:28:40] dchud | congealed blood and mustard sandwich! [13:28:46] JodiS | jtgorman: could you stop complaining to us and complain to somebody who can change the system? [13:28:49] jtgorman | otherwise I'm just going to keep complaining to other random people ;) [13:28:50] abarrera | @know http://barr.eraic.us/foaf.rdf#me [13:28:50] zoia | abarrera: abarrera's URI is now [13:28:51] wtd | @know http://www.miskaonic.org/foaf.rdf#me [13:28:51] fak3r | git++ [13:28:52] zoia | wtd: wtd's URI is now [13:28:56] * BillDueber is also too stupid to use git [13:28:56] wtd | Oops. [13:28:58] JodiS | <-- random person [13:29:00] wtd | @know http://www.miskatonic.org/foaf.rdf#me [13:29:01] jtgorman | JodiS: aawwww, you beat me to my own punchline [13:29:01] zoia | wtd: wtd's URI is now [13:29:03] * mbklein too [13:29:04] bess | @knows bess JodiS [13:29:07] zoia | bess: bess and JodiS do not know each other. [13:29:10] rsinger | thank god somebody said this [13:29:11] jtgorman | JodiS: nah, don't worry, I'll do that too ;) [13:29:16] Baroquem | @know http://abacus.webhop.org/foaf.rdf#me [13:29:17] zoia | Baroquem: Baroquem's URI is now [13:29:19] akorphan | @common knows akorphan cazzerson [13:29:20] zoia | akorphan: Error: I tried to send you an empty message. [13:29:22] JodiS | @know bess [13:29:23] zoia | JodiS: (know [] ) -- Associates the given URI with the given nick. If the nick already has a URI, it will be forgotten. Defaults to the calling user. [13:29:29] dchud | beezer represent [13:29:30] gsf | git has gotten easier [13:29:31] mjg_ | beeeeeeeeeezer [13:29:32] liza31337 | Totally agree with hg > git [13:29:33] fak3r | oh, so it has to be in python? [13:29:33] jtgorman | JodiS: but there is an actual point to my complaint... [13:29:34] ecorrado | overkill-- [13:29:38] JodiS | @known bess [13:29:38] zoia | JodiS: bess's URI is [13:29:48] edsu | git++ [13:29:48] gsf | fak3r: a python bias is ok [13:29:51] jtgorman | JodiS: it's always shocking ot me how little the librarians who work here and elsewhere understand how our technology stack works [13:29:52] fak3r | I used to run cvs servers for it groups; I now perfer git [13:29:52] edsu | anarchivist-- [13:29:54] BigD | @know http://www.declan.net/foaf.rdf#djf [13:29:55] zoia | BigD: BigD's URI is now [13:29:58] jbrinley | @common knows jbrinley zoia [13:30:00] zoia | jbrinley: , , , , , , , , [13:30:01] * JodiS adds bess' URI to her broken FOAF [13:30:07] edsu | anarchivist: returning the compliment :) [13:30:10] robcaSSon | anarchivist has contracted my stuttering [13:30:12] akorphan | @knows cazzerson akorphan [13:30:13] * lbjay imagines "bizarre" would be a tough sell to higher up dev managers [13:30:13] zoia | akorphan: cazzerson and akorphan know each other. [13:30:16] jtgorman | JodiS: that is, what we have actual control over, what is provided by CARLI, and what is under the control of the actual software [13:30:16] mjg_ | @later tell anarchivist "HG" is easier to say than "mercurial" [13:30:17] fak3r | I'm indiffernt on monotone [13:30:17] zoia | mjg_: The operation succeeded. [13:30:25] JodiS | jtgorman: honestly, I don't care [13:30:26] akorphan | @common knows cazzerson akorphan [13:30:26] zoia | akorphan: Error: I tried to send you an empty message. [13:30:27] highermath_co | screw git svn 4evr [13:30:30] bess | @knows bess royt [13:30:31] zoia | bess: I don't know royt's URI [13:30:32] akorphan | OK, something funny is going on. [13:30:35] MrDys | anarchivist is making the camera intern earn his scrilla [13:30:35] mib_xxmepy6r | great looking rat [13:30:36] jtgorman | JodiS: heh [13:30:39] ---| ---> mikeybe [i=46a4190c@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-b489c681dcfa0ab4] has joined #code4lib [13:30:43] fak3r | hmmm...so, python good, rat logo, bad. [13:30:43] escowles | rats-- [13:30:47] edsu | is that jaegermeister (sic)? [13:30:47] mbklein | @known JodiS [13:30:48] zoia | mbklein: JodiS's URI is [13:30:50] JodiS | jtgorman: may sound funny, but I'm dead serious [13:30:52] mjg_ | edsu: totally. [13:30:56] dchud | dlovins: i'd promised to send you this: http://bazaar-vcs.org/Workflows (overview of dvcs workflows) [13:30:57] fak3r | edsu: y [13:30:59] escowles | python++ [13:31:03] * edsu upchucks [13:31:06] mjg_ | edsu: right after it defeated me in dishonorable combat. [13:31:06] zoia | clean up on aisle 2 [13:31:09] mbklein | @knows mbklein bess [13:31:12] zoia | mbklein: mbklein and bess know each other. [13:31:12] dchud | dlovins: it's on the bazaar site but the overview applies to all the dvcses [13:31:15] jtgorman | JodiS: well, then put me on /ignore or something [13:31:31] JodiS | jtgorman: I like you. I don't want to /ignore you. [13:31:33] akorphan | cazzerson: oh, it excludes the endpoints. Can a person foaf:knows thyself? [13:31:33] * JodiS shrugs [13:31:34] mjg_ | dchud: I should have thanked you as well. my bad. [13:31:36] highermath_co | Python++ Python&Jaegermeister++++++++ [13:31:52] JodiS | lovely, lovely slide colors [13:32:02] mbklein | @common interest mbklein bess [13:32:04] zoia | mbklein: , , [13:32:09] ---| <<-- MikeTaylor [i=46a4190c@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-44b3b922fb54b198] has quit (Client Quit) [13:32:09] ---| <<-- mpark [n=mpark@128.148.216.27] has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) [13:32:13] fak3r | blain? that's not a name, it's a major appliance! [13:32:32] mbklein | fak3r++ # Pretty in Pink reference [13:32:40] jtgorman | I do wonder though if there's any good way to make it easier to get people to go to the right source....I mean, at least the librairans [13:32:48] bess | philosophy_majors++ [13:32:49] BigD | English Major [13:32:54] gsf | @knows gsf gsf [13:32:55] akorphan | @knows akorphan akorphan [13:32:56] zoia | gsf: gsf and gsf do not know each other. [13:32:56] mbklein | <-- Music Major [13:32:58] zoia | akorphan: akorphan and akorphan do not know each other. [13:32:58] rsinger | theatre_major [13:33:02] MrDys | saaaaaad pug [13:33:04] wtd | @knows wtd ksclarke [13:33:05] akorphan | gsf: You owe me a coke. [13:33:05] zoia | wtd: wtd and ksclarke know each other. [13:33:05] fak3r | <-- art major [13:33:08] mib_xxmepy6r | <--- philosophy major [13:33:09] timmcgeary | mbklein++ [13:33:12] timmcgeary | <-- music major [13:33:15] mbklein | gsf / akorphan: If you don't assert it, zoia don't know it. :) [13:33:15] gsf | akorphan: ok [13:33:16] mjg_ | <-- major morno [13:33:16] edsu | never made it past 3rd grade [13:33:17] rosy1280 | <--philosophy minor [13:33:20] cbarr | <-- art major [13:33:22] gsf | mbklein: right [13:33:27] lbjay | <-- english major [13:33:28] dchud | mjg_: i will carry this grudge with me to my grave. TO. MY. GRAVE. [13:33:28] ---| ---> cliff_ [n=cliff@lib-staff900.Princeton.EDU] has joined #code4lib [13:33:31] erikhatcher | usually its more comical xml than canonical [13:33:34] mbklein | mjg_: Master of Morno? [13:33:35] fak3r | <---- major domo [13:33:38] abarrera | mjgiarlo++ # morno [13:33:39] BillDueber | <-- CS major (am I the only one in the house?) [13:33:40] liza31337 | <-- psych major [13:33:41] ---| <<-- cwulfman [n=user@lib-staff900.Princeton.EDU] has quit (Remote closed the connection) [13:33:44] mbklein | @ana master of morno [13:33:45] zoia | mbklein: Am softer moron [13:33:48] * lbjay salutes Major Morno, mjg_ [13:33:49] fak3r | beer_pong++ [13:33:51] erikhatcher | BillDueber: CS major also [13:33:51] abarrera | <-- ee major [13:33:53] jtgorman | BillDueber: nope, CS major as well. Of course, I'm "not in the house" [13:33:54] taco | <- pol sci [13:33:55] dlovins | @google canonical xml [13:33:56] rsinger | @ana morno for myros [13:33:56] zoia | dlovins: Search took 0.24 seconds: Canonical XML: ; Canonical XML Version 1.0: ; Canonical XML: ; Canonical XML - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: ; Introducing XML canonical form: ; Canonical XML: (2 more messages) [13:33:58] zoia | rsinger: Sorry! From moon [13:33:58] mouwd | <-- cs major [13:34:02] edsu | dchud: sorry i couldn't do teh entire snl skit, would've been bettter than me saying things i would later regret [13:34:02] jtgorman | BillDueber: if you mean code4lib ;) [13:34:03] mjg_ | <-- linguistics major, philosophy minor, LIS sucker, compling dropout [13:34:06] fak3r | python mention' [13:34:06] jtgorman | just #code4lib [13:34:08] steambadger | English major, philosophy minor [13:34:09] MrDys | <-- -"IT" major [13:34:10] fak3r | python mention' [13:34:12] erikhatcher | liza31337: but with a pysch minor [13:34:21] andyashton | <--Drum major [13:34:25] BillDueber | jtgorman: You're in the house. We're a big-tent organization. [13:34:27] mbklein | We should all put our majors in our FOAFs and let zoia sort it out. [13:34:30] timmcgeary | <-- engineering ms [13:34:32] fak3r | <-- major headache [13:34:33] abarrera | <-- major payne [13:34:36] mjg_ | JUnit's newest album sucks. [13:34:40] escowles | <-- English major [13:34:41] BillDueber | mbklein++ # what's the correct tag? [13:34:51] rsinger | @karma < [13:34:52] dchud | mjg_, edsu: hey maybe i should do a lightning on bagit? [13:34:53] zoia | rsinger: Karma for "<" has been increased 0 times and decreased 0 times for a total karma of 0. [13:34:53] akorphan | <-- math major, english minor, religion minor, MSLS [13:34:55] fak3r | too_many_bookmarks-- [13:34:56] JodiS | delicious.com/anarchivist/xml+diffs [13:35:06] * jtgorman never concentrated enough to ge ta minor [13:35:06] * highermath_c staqrted as dual physics/ee --- has ba Psych [13:35:09] mjg_ | dchud++ # why not? and give a reference to our crappy sourceforce page [13:35:12] edsu | dchud++ [13:35:16] mib_xxmepy6r | elvi? [13:35:16] JodiS | err, that didn't work. spelling of diffs? [13:35:19] mbklein | BillDueber: Probably have to use literals. I don't know which vocab/resource set would apply. [13:35:26] akorphan | elvoi? [13:35:28] highermath_co | it wss the 60's [13:35:37] dchud | mjg_, edsu: maybe i will do it as samurai john belushi. if i could borrow your sword. [13:35:40] ---| ---> E [i=46a4190c@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-49d037bad0a5e8d2] has joined #code4lib [13:35:46] mjg_ | I would express those in FABULOUSml [13:35:50] wickr | JodiS: http://delicious.com/anarchivist/xml+diff [13:35:52] mib_xxmepy6r | lol [13:35:54] BigD | mjg_++ [13:35:59] jbrinley | @quote add Say all these Elvis impersonators are XML documents. [13:36:00] dchud | E: welcome. great nick. :) [13:36:01] zoia | jbrinley: The operation succeeded. Quote #1726 added. [13:36:07] JodiS | wickr++ [13:36:07] ---| User: *** E is now known as Guest76608 [13:36:09] fak3r | dchud: hamburger, hamburger, no coke, pepsi [13:36:16] mjg_ | dchud: my sword is thine, sir knight. [13:36:24] BigD | fak3r: cheeeebuger [13:36:26] mbklein | @foaf mbklein schoolHomepage [13:36:27] zoia | mbklein: mbklein : , [13:36:37] MrDys | dchud: you end up making anything in nodebox last night? [13:36:43] dchud | seems like he could've used an EAD doctype in wordperfect or word and dvcs'd them as binary files [13:36:53] * jtgorman eye twitches [13:36:59] dchud | MrDys: nah, nothing interesting, just doing tutorials [13:37:01] jtgorman | whaaa... [13:37:06] ---| <<-- mikeybe [i=46a4190c@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-b489c681dcfa0ab4] has quit ("http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client") [13:37:07] ---| <<-- gbilder [i=46a4190c@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-25cbd11af6d6759a] has quit ("http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client") [13:37:07] jtgorman | ok, maybe I'm glad I'm not there [13:37:08] lbjay | xml-- # for making anarchivist fail [13:37:08] * wickr shudders at mention of EAD with WP and WOrd [13:37:19] fak3r | macro_pictures++ [13:37:22] mjg_ | jtgorman: no, you're not. [13:37:22] ---| ---> jamieorc [n=jamieorc@va-71-1-140-208.sta.embarqhsd.net] has joined #code4lib [13:37:24] edsu | (i tried to do this in 5 minutes, and couldn't do it) [13:37:37] dchud | wickr: if done well, it can be pretty productive [13:37:42] BigD | anarchivist just needs a hug [13:37:50] abarrera | puppies++ # that dog knows he foaf'd up [13:37:55] gsf | BigD: squeeze the fail out of him [13:37:59] bess | jamieorc: hi! We're all at the code4lib conference in RI! [13:38:00] wickr | dchud: but I still don't think that gets anarchivist what he wants [13:38:07] ---| <<-- ccatalfo [i=46a4190c@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-0836f6b50c83f47b] has quit ("http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client") [13:38:12] dchud | THEY DO NAHTHINK! [13:38:17] jamieorc | bess so says erikhatcher [13:38:25] dchud | wickr: maybe so [13:38:30] ecorrado | anarchivist: FAIL!!!!! [13:38:33] mbklein | <-- Guitar Zero [13:38:34] jtgorman | mjg_: dchud is scaring me even here [13:38:36] liza31337 | Yay Rock Band [13:38:41] fak3r | we'll look into it and get back to you on that [13:38:55] dchud | wow 120 users [13:38:56] * mbklein got a little addicted to Rock Band @ Access2008 [13:39:02] akorphan | fait_no_more++ [13:39:07] ---| <<-- erikstattin [i=46a4190c@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-bb69171c5ba10c4e] has quit ("http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client") [13:39:07] ---| <<-- highermath_code4 [i=46a4190c@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-35268f637410f266] has quit ("http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client") [13:39:18] taco | mike_patton++ [13:39:32] mjg_ | fail_no_more++ [13:39:40] mbklein | Is this about EAD, DVCS, or diffs? :s [13:39:49] mib_xxmepy6r | it's about fail [13:39:52] dchud | chickmarkley: the upcoming libx talk might be another good place to find interesting javascript [13:39:53] andyashton | namespaces don't work in EAD?? [13:40:00] mbklein | That's OK, Mark. You must be exhausted. [13:40:06] rsinger | 20 minutes of shame [13:40:07] ---| <<-- ethomsen [i=46a4190c@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-6719374a2afee366] has quit ("http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client") [13:40:08] fak3r | YHF [13:40:12] jbrinley | andyashton: I'm not sure anything works in EAD [13:40:15] mbklein | The long, slow walk to the mic. [13:40:16] timmcgeary | no shame in trying [13:40:23] * BillDueber is hearing the jeopardy music in his head [13:40:23] BigD | mbklein rockin out: http://www.flickr.com/photos/bigdpix/2931454621/in/set-72157607933737792/ [13:40:26] rsinger | andyashton: i don't think the DTD allows things to be namespaced in [13:40:35] andyashton | really...ouch [13:40:38] ---| <--- jamieorc [n=jamieorc@va-71-1-140-208.sta.embarqhsd.net] has left #code4lib () [13:40:46] andyashton | DTDs-- [13:40:48] wickr | I think they're working on it for the schema [13:40:52] * jaron1 is dealing with EAD right now [13:40:54] jaron1 | ead-- [13:40:57] ---| User: *** jaron1 is now known as jaron_ [13:40:58] BillDueber | Key phrase in question: "...in some intelligent way." [13:40:59] mbklein | BigD++ # capturing the debut and final performance of The Mornos [13:41:02] rsinger | @quote search ead [13:41:05] zoia rsinger: 79 found: #1014: " I could make an argument that...", #1018: " if edsu hasn't already slaughtered a...", #1043: " marc's been dead for years. the...", #1058: " Since we are not likely...", #1075: " yeah, he's got an impressive CV but I...", #1099: "< edsu> mjg_: after reading that wikipedia on...", #1130: " now i know how code4lib felt, now i know...", (10 more messages) [13:41:12] ---| ---> caroldotou_ [i=46a4190c@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-acd0582926a814cb] has joined #code4lib [13:41:15] rosy1280 | ead-- [13:41:19] cfitz | so why use EAD? [13:41:20] rsinger | @quote search monkeys [13:41:22] abarrera | gsf: what was the name of your crappy Rock Band Band [13:41:23] zoia | rsinger: 8 found: #1010: " I don't know what that means, but,...", #128: " you have spoiled me forever with your...", #300: " ead is like the worst application of...", #301: "* ksclark1 wonders why amish monkeys", #355: "< mjgiarlo> Users want... drunken monkeys,...", #393: " sometimes the monkeys' howling forces...", #7: " heard a team of monkeys that played...", and #956: " (1 more message) [13:41:30] gsf | abarrera: which one? [13:41:34] mbklein | cfitz: because someone's forcing you to. [13:41:35] jtgorman | cfitz: cause he works with archivists and that's what they want to use? [13:41:36] rsinger | @quote get 956 [13:41:37] zoia | rsinger: Error: There is no Quote with id #956 in my database for #code4lib. [13:41:44] jaron_ | mbklein++ [13:41:51] akorphan | Are the tags in EAD broken up into inline markup and hierarchical data in a well-defined way? [13:41:53] MrDys | @more rsinger [13:41:53] zoia | MrDys: at the end of the day, we're an irc..." [13:41:55] abarrera | gsf: the one from Access [13:41:56] rsinger | @quote get 300 [13:41:57] zoia | rsinger: Quote #300: " ead is like the worst application of technology ever thrown in the hands of amish monkeys" (added by dchud at 05:47 PM, May 12, 2006) [13:41:57] mbklein | rsinger: That seems wrong. [13:42:04] timmcgeary | there are lots of grants out there that require EAD [13:42:04] ---| <<-- cbarr [i=46a4190c@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-5ae318f4f2d6b449] has quit ("http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client") [13:42:07] ---| <<-- steambadger [i=46a4190c@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-bcff3c5d1b9442ae] has quit ("http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client") [13:42:08] ---| <<-- ejlynema [i=46a4190c@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-2059fc3e505fad80] has quit ("http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client") [13:42:16] rosy1280 | because the archivist wants you too [13:42:16] rsinger | akorphan: no [13:42:35] rosy1280 | and they won't stop pushing [13:42:43] BigD | mbklein: here's the front: http://www.flickr.com/photos/bigdpix/2931456655/in/set-72157607933737792/ [13:42:51] rsinger | akorphan: there are

tags and data elements all intermingled [13:42:55] * mbklein has the post-lunch sleepies. [13:42:57] gsf | abarrera: i don't remember. Access is a blur [13:43:02] MrDys | wheedlie wheedlie wheeee [13:43:04] mbklein | Crickets [13:43:07] rsinger | i am so freaking thirsty [13:43:08] ---| <<-- mouwd [i=46a4190c@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-19163e015c560779] has quit ("http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client") [13:43:17] gsf | rsinger: no water allowed [13:43:17] rosy1280 | rsinger water in back of room [13:43:19] rsinger | ...enter my nemesis [13:43:20] mjg_ | rsinger: there's water in the back [13:43:20] BillDueber | rsinger: I'm gonna go get a coke. Want one? [13:43:23] akorphan | rsinger: Right, but is it known a priori which types of tags represent markup and which types represent data enclosures? [13:43:24] mjg_ | rosy1280++ [13:43:36] mbklein | BillDueber: I'll take one. [13:43:37] mbklein | :) [13:43:37] fak3r | stage_rush++ [13:43:37] fak3r | git diff file1 file2 [13:43:37] mjg_ | rsinger: GUARD YOUR THROAT [13:43:38] ---| ---> highermath [i=46a4190c@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-05c049b9287b4f73] has joined #code4lib [13:43:46] rosy1280 | more accents! [13:43:46] mbklein | godmar++ [13:43:48] ---| <--- ksdrake [i=46a4190c@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-4491d74171cfe767] has left #code4lib () [13:43:50] BillDueber | mbklein: where are you? [13:43:52] ---| ---> ksdrake [i=46a4190c@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-4491d74171cfe767] has joined #code4lib [13:43:57] rsinger | akorphan: sure, but the dom gets insane to walk/parse [13:43:57] ---| <<-- MattyM [n=matt@62.172.77.66] has quit ("ta ta") [13:44:04] mbklein | BillDueber: Table near the mic. Across from ejlynema [13:44:05] jbrinley | This has been a surprisingly punctual conference so far (not counting pre-conf) [13:44:06] ---| ---> mib_qg0sa564 [i=46a4190c@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-b91875f2104822ee] has joined #code4lib [13:44:08] ---| <<-- cazzerson [i=46a4190c@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-0acbc0dd513686a9] has quit ("http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client") [13:44:08] ---| <<-- decasm [i=46a4190c@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-6da0940b784399da] has quit ("http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client") [13:44:11] lbjay | oh, that's godmar [13:44:18] * anarchivist coughs [13:44:21] * zoia sneezes [13:44:29] rsinger | akorphan: because you can't just render the 'text', you have to make sure there's not more in there [13:44:29] ---| User: *** mib_qg0sa564 is now known as mouwd [13:44:32] wtd | libx++ [13:44:39] anarchivist | mjg_: smartass [13:44:44] mbklein | Godmar has to have the best Bond Villain name of anyone at the conference. [13:44:44] mjg_ | anarchivist++ # for sharing tales of epic fail [13:44:53] rsinger | "No, Mr. Singer, I expect you to die!" [13:44:54] fak3r | the page has a DUI? [13:44:56] mbklein | akorphan: You might be a close second. :) [13:45:01] rosy1280 | want libx to not be browser dependent [13:45:04] ---| ---> mib_40vroc [i=c0991efe@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-29c9a7ff3326dcce] has joined #code4lib [13:45:23] dansuchy | libx is great because anyone can pick it up. [13:45:28] mjg_ | did I just hear someone whisper "Wag the Dog, MOFO!" [13:45:29] rsinger | rosy1280: IE and FFX isn't enough? [13:45:36] akorphan | hmm, maybe one could mark out the elements that are purely markup, replace the brackets with some distinctive set of characters; run an XML diff on the hierarchical parts, and run an inline diff on the text contents of the hierarchical tags (with the markup tags marked out) [13:45:39] BigD | did zotero ever get extended to store it's data in a central server? [13:45:40] Kerwick | fak3r, no conviction though [13:45:47] rosy1280 | rsinger i want it in the cloud [13:45:52] rsinger | mjg_: i have buried this hatchet [13:45:56] mbklein | BigD: In trunk, but not in release [13:46:03] MrDys | godmar has the voice of at least 50 ruby screencasts I've watched [13:46:04] rsinger | rosy1280: ... ARE YOU TRYING TO RILE ME UP?! [13:46:09] dbs | BigD: 1.5 beta (with multi-machine sync) is out [13:46:09] ---| <<-- cschx [i=46a4190c@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-c5eec8476078b309] has quit ("http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client") [13:46:10] ---| ---> cazzerson [i=46a4190c@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-7130217ec74416b8] has joined #code4lib [13:46:18] BigD | thanks! [13:46:19] * rosy1280 cloud computing fellow [13:46:22] ---| <<-- cazzerson [i=46a4190c@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-7130217ec74416b8] has quit (Client Quit) [13:46:33] gsf | dbs: can't believe you're following this [13:46:48] gsf | dbs: i'm getting a headache, and i have some context [13:47:05] dbs | gsf: bah, I was on a conference call about "knowledge mobilization" for the entire morning [13:47:17] abarrera | dbs: why aren't you here? forget your passport again? [13:47:21] * anarchivist knows the world loves a sensible man who admits failure [13:47:22] BigD | knowledge wants to be mobile! [13:47:25] mbklein | ordering_lemonade_via_irc++ [13:47:28] mbklein | BillDueber++ [13:47:37] timmcgeary | anarchivist++ [13:47:38] scolford | when godmar says "toolbar" i keep thinking "tuber" [13:47:38] dbs | gsf: and the main report on "knowledge mobilization" was published at a URL to which Google knows of no links. FAIL FAIL FAILITY FAIL [13:47:39] abarrera | BigD: shame you are weighing it down [13:47:51] jbrinley | anarchivist: we're working on your pyre now [13:47:51] rsinger | rosy1280: the beginning of the nemetization started with my cloud-style app vs. LibX [13:47:54] dbs | abarrera: 2 month old baby. murderous wife. [13:47:57] gsf | dbs: ha of course [13:48:03] BillDueber | scolford: sweet potatoes++ [13:48:09] ---| ---> reeset [i=46a4190c@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-f42de96452e31201] has joined #code4lib [13:48:12] abarrera | dbs++ # been there [13:48:12] anarchivist | french_fried_taters++ [13:48:15] fak3r | new_edition++ [13:48:15] * fak3r ready for more talk about rest [13:48:22] BillDueber | dbs: I left my 2.5 and 0.5 year olds at home with a slightly less-murderous wife [13:48:23] jfereira | users_with_magic_wands++ [13:48:38] highermath | its not a tuber, just a keadache [13:48:39] rsinger | librarians_with_magic_wands+- [13:48:44] ---| <<-- mib_40vroc [i=c0991efe@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-29c9a7ff3326dcce] has quit (Client Quit) [13:48:47] timmcgeary | i left my 2.5 and 0.33 year olds at home... [13:49:01] * anarchivist wants a stiff drink now [13:49:02] timmcgeary | highermath++ [13:49:08] zoia | New news from planetcode4lib: del.icio.us: monotone: distributed version control || del.icio.us: Canonical XML - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia || del.icio.us: Mibbit || del.icio.us: Flickr: "c4l09" || del.icio.us: anarchivist's xml and diff Bookmarks on Delicious || del.icio.us: libxml [13:49:16] dbs | Next year, in @hosts2010, I shall have no excuses [13:49:17] mjg_ | anarchivist: +1 [13:49:24] kgs | where's my magic wand?! [13:49:29] anarchivist | @bartender [13:49:31] * jbrinley hands anarchivist a popsicle [13:49:31] * zoia fills a pint glass with Saison Dupont, and sends it sliding down the bar to anarchivist (http://beeradvocate.com/beer/profile/637/1717/) [13:49:36] * anarchivist wants a pony [13:49:38] BigD | my 13 yr old insisted i leave [13:49:38] MrDys | edsu: see what happens when you quote someone in your presentation: http://twitter.com/tommorris/statuses/1245906526 [13:49:41] rosy1280 | rsinger cloud style apps are way better because then people use it [13:49:42] * mbklein 's 6 and 3 year olds *promised* to behave while I was gone. So I'm sure there are no problems. [13:49:44] MrDys | what unholy wrath you have brought [13:49:47] * anarchivist was hoping to show a magic django pony [13:49:57] mjg_ | jbrinley++ # clever. [13:49:58] rosy1280 | libx-- [13:50:04] * rosy1280 about to get shot [13:50:09] * timmcgeary wonders what he can take back to my 2.5 year old girl from Providence [13:50:12] JodiS | rosy1280: you're researching cloud-computing, right? [13:50:13] rsinger | rosy1280: no argument [13:50:31] ---| ---> LibraryThingTim [n=LibraryT@50.sub-75-221-209.myvzw.com] has joined #code4lib [13:50:35] rosy1280 | JodiS that i am...officially now [13:50:38] ---| ---> doylem [i=46a4190c@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-3fa0191caee571ab] has joined #code4lib [13:50:39] JodiS | :) [13:50:45] BigD | anarchivist: http://www.declan.net/2005/07/22/no-pony/ [13:50:51] * rosy1280 NITLE Tech Fellow [13:50:53] JodiS | rosy1280: met you at necode4lib. sorry that you left before I could say hello [13:50:56] gsf | godmar_humor++ [13:50:56] JodiS | NITLE++ [13:50:58] mjg_ | is 2009 the year of atompub like, uh, every other year was the year of solr? [13:51:02] ---| ---> gbilder [i=46a4190c@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-ba1c32a8db6a3d69] has joined #code4lib [13:51:07] kgs | rosy1280 agree w/u [13:51:07] abarrera | timmcgeary: whatever you find let me know for my 2.7 yr old girl [13:51:08] fak3r | new_edition++ [13:51:08] * fak3r ready for more talk about rest [13:51:08] fak3r | damn, I need to get a magic wand to use at work...that'll really hlpe [13:51:08] fak3r | s/hipe/help/ [13:51:09] JodiS | 2009=atompub + linkeddata [13:51:11] gsf | mjg_: there was a year of lucene, way back [13:51:28] kgs | adoption, marketing, maintenance... [13:51:29] dchud | edsu, gsf: i'm finally working on that json import/export for marc again. i'd like to touch base with one/both of you on what it would need to do before you'd merge it w/trunk [13:51:31] rsinger | libraries: we get it! (eventually) [13:51:31] rosy1280 | JodiS had to go to a meeting...loved necode4lib [13:51:34] ecorrado | atompub < brewpub [13:51:37] dchud | edsu, gsf: i mean for pymarc [13:51:38] mjg_ | back when royt was in short-thongs [13:51:41] ---| ---> cazzerson [i=46a4190c@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-e40804a29ca6ccc6] has joined #code4lib [13:51:43] scolford | c4l10 -- no tee shirts, magic wands [13:51:43] timmcgeary | abarerra: will do [13:51:50] JodiS | rosy1280: that's ok, I'll find you here sometime :) [13:51:51] ---| ---> harmless [i=46a4190c@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-675a17b9475ee7c1] has joined #code4lib [13:51:52] mbklein | anarchivist: http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2052/2842638666_b24158c6f6.jpg [13:51:59] timmcgeary | abarerra: I think I'll need to wander the mall [13:52:00] gsf | dchud: great, i'd like to see it [13:52:08] fak3r | new_edition++ [13:52:08] * fak3r ready for more talk about rest [13:52:08] fak3r | damn, I need to get a magic wand to use at work...that'll really hlpe [13:52:08] fak3r | s/hipe/help/ [13:52:10] ---| <<-- highermath [i=46a4190c@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-05c049b9287b4f73] has quit ("http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client") [13:52:14] rosy1280 | tuple! [13:52:17] BillDueber | dchud: What are you using for marc-in-json? I made one up a while back, but if there's weight behind a json format for marc, I'd rather use it [13:52:21] dchud | gsf: don't get your hopes up, it will start brain-dead simple. [13:52:25] abarrera | timmcgeary: jstroop said nothing there [13:52:26] gsf | dchud: so it's a jsonmarc? [13:52:27] kgs | tuple-o honey? [13:52:28] * anarchivist goes to lick his wounds in the corner [13:52:35] dchud | BillDueber: the dumbest, simplest thing that might possibly work! [13:52:36] scolford | tuber tuple [13:52:40] bess | anarchivist++ # you were awesome [13:52:41] gsf | dchud: simple is hard, sometimes [13:52:46] jfereira | Shouldn't that be spelled Djangle [13:52:48] timmcgeary | abarrera: well that stinks [13:52:51] BillDueber | dchud: Well, then that's probably what I did :-) [13:52:54] rsinger | why is jsonmarc a good idea? [13:52:58] mjg_ | dchud++ # for dumb and simple, the only way I roll [13:53:00] dchud | gsf: agreed. hopefully i can at least get it started and then we can improve it [13:53:03] * rosy1280 remembers arguments in db class about how to pronounce tuple [13:53:05] anarchivist | use your django jangle dongle to stick a tuple in drupal [13:53:11] ---| <<-- kat3 [i=46a4190c@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-ce5df61548437476] has quit ("http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client") [13:53:18] dbs | @quote add BillDueber: the dumbest, simplest thing that might possibly work! [13:53:18] LibraryThingT | ... [13:53:18] zoia | dbs: The operation succeeded. Quote #1727 added. [13:53:19] lbjay | rsinger: burn! [13:53:20] scolford | anarchivist++ [13:53:25] mjg_ | anarchivist++ [13:53:27] rjw | faster than a speeding Jangle [13:53:28] dbs | poor BillDueber [13:53:33] dchud | rsinger: easier than rdfmarc. easy to use with couchdb. easy to pass around ajaxy. theoretically manageable in a VCS with canonical pretty-printing. something to hack on. [13:53:39] mbklein | @quote add use your django jangle dongle to stick a tuple in drupal [13:53:40] zoia | mbklein: Error: You must be registered to use this command. If you are already registered, you must either identify (using the identify command) or add a hostmask matching your current hostmask (using the "hostmask add" command). [13:53:54] mbklein | @quote add use your django jangle dongle to stick a tuple in drupal [13:53:54] zoia | mbklein: The operation succeeded. Quote #1728 added. [13:54:05] ---| <<-- motorgirl [i=46a4190c@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-6c11f93092b4fdb3] has quit ("http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client") [13:54:05] dchud | s/rdfmarc/marcxml/ [13:54:06] rosy1280 | rsinger does your cloudy libx like app still exist somewhere? 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[13:54:45] dchud | BillDueber: no i haven't [13:54:45] gsf | aah, the librarian is talking to me [13:54:54] JodiS | video modules in LibX! Cool! [13:54:57] BigD | why is that lady looking down on me? [13:54:58] BillDueber | gsf: NO! She's talking to ME!!!! [13:55:00] MrDys | this is some star trek shit [13:55:00] dchud | rsinger: uh, yeah? i guess? [13:55:02] taco | ssssh [13:55:05] JodiS | Though I wonder if I'd like it the second time, or if I really needed some info... [13:55:07] timmcgeary | awwww [13:55:10] ejk | cieling cat is watching you search [13:55:11] BigD | her eyes are following me [13:55:11] abarrera | whoa she knows we are hear [13:55:15] paulalbert | I'm a Libra and looking for a friend. nothing serious.... [13:55:16] abarrera | s/hear/here [13:55:18] ---| <--- jstroop [n=jstroop@lib-staff579.Princeton.EDU] has left #code4lib () [13:55:19] gsf | @quote add < MrDys> this is some star trek shit [13:55:20] * lbjay looks for ceiling cat [13:55:20] zoia | gsf: The operation succeeded. Quote #1729 added. [13:55:22] kgs | book burro? [13:55:24] dchud | i believe that's his wife, right? [13:55:26] BillDueber | credits++ [13:55:27] anarchivist | @lolz [pirate [quote random]] [13:55:28] ---| ---> kat3 [i=46a4190c@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-9da54db2dbb69c2c] has joined #code4lib [13:55:29] ---| ---> dhanu [i=46a41939@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-2ddcd8068e07f53e] has joined #code4lib [13:55:31] mbklein | Our patrons would automatically assume that the librarian was watching what they were doing on the computer, and complain to the mayor. [13:55:34] ---| ---> danbri [n=danbri@ip80-101-238-54.hotspotsvankpn.com] has joined #code4lib [13:55:39] zoia | anarchivist: An error has occurred and has been logged. Please contact this bot's administrator for more information. [13:55:42] * timmcgeary got warm fuzzies [13:55:43] akorphan | Big Librarian is watching you. [13:55:44] rsinger | rosy1280: http://www.library.gatech.edu/search/web_localizer.php [13:55:49] mbklein | anarchivist: I think lolz is buster [13:55:54] mbklein | a/buster/busted/ [13:55:54] rsinger | dchud: who does that? [13:56:01] BigD | i'd SO rickroll everyone [13:56:11] ---| <<-- gbilder [i=46a4190c@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-ba1c32a8db6a3d69] has quit ("http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client") [13:56:13] anarchivist | @pirate [aussie [pirate [aussie]]] [13:56:13] bess | BigD++ [13:56:15] zoia | anarchivist: SHRIMP ON th' BARBIE, MATES! [13:56:17] akorphan | jQuery++ [13:56:19] mjg_ | BigD: lightning talk. do it. [13:56:24] JodiS | mbklein: good point [13:56:26] ---| <<-- liza31337 [i=root@tak.dreamhost.com] has quit (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) [13:56:29] dchud | rsinger: parsing marcxml with xml tools? lots of people? i don't understand your line of questioning. CHARGE ME OR CALL MY LAWYER [13:56:30] mbklein | I'd install the LibX RickRoll edition. [13:56:38] dchud | i mean OR LET ME GO [13:56:41] dchud | or something [13:56:50] * JodiS waits for some code4libber to create the RickRoll edition :) [13:56:56] JodiS | dchud++ [13:56:58] rsinger | dchud: seriously, who does anything serious with marcxml using only xpath? [13:57:01] rsinger | or DOM? [13:57:01] gsf | rsinger: is marcjson worse than marcxml? [13:57:05] scolford | @lolz [13:57:06] * ecorrado ready for a nap [13:57:10] rosy1280 | rsinger++ [13:57:14] anarchivist | rsinger: i used to [13:57:17] zoia | scolford: An error has occurred and has been logged. Please contact this bot's administrator for more information. [13:57:19] rsinger | gsf: yes, because no marc libraries would know what to do with it [13:57:23] BigD | when's lunch? [13:57:29] ---| ---> liza_ [i=root@tak.dreamhost.com] has joined #code4lib [13:57:29] ---| ---> mib_tbwkor [i=46a4190c@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-df2ff1b9f6666a28] has joined #code4lib [13:57:36] mbklein | BigD: You're gonna be really really sad... [13:57:38] ---| <--- mib_tbwkor [i=46a4190c@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-df2ff1b9f6666a28] has left #code4lib () [13:57:53] ---| ---> cbarr [i=46a4190c@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-c4d1acaab5ce59aa] has joined #code4lib [13:57:59] BigD | no pony? [13:58:11] Kerwick | Nope, no pony [13:58:17] mbklein | BigD: What's worse? "No, you can't have a pony" or "You missed lunch"? [13:58:18] gsf | rsinger: the pymarc library, for one, could deal with marcjson with less overhead [13:58:23] BillDueber | ++ [13:58:30] MrDys | jrochkind100: are you going to ask godmar if there's a non-javascript for-the-blindies edition of LibX? [13:58:36] rsinger | gsf: if some standard definition of marcjson exists [13:58:38] BigD | mbklein: i eat ponies! dammit [13:58:45] mbklein | BigD++ [13:58:48] mbklein | Well played [13:58:49] anarchivist | rsinger: which it doesnt [13:58:49] gsf | rsinger: that could be useful [13:58:58] rsinger | anarchivist: exactly [13:59:07] akorphan | if the javascript happens on document.ready does it still cause problems for screen readers? [13:59:08] rsinger | and getting there would be painful [13:59:17] mbklein | MARC is hard. Let's go shopping! [13:59:23] anarchivist | mbklein++ [13:59:38] BillDueber | mbklein++, barbie-- [13:59:38] gsf | i hear there's a radioshack nearby [13:59:41] highermath_c4 | shopping++ [13:59:41] rsinger | i wish they taught shopping at school [13:59:42] anarchivist | @quote < mbklein> MARC is hard. Let's go shopping! [13:59:43] zoia | anarchivist: i wrote a hash script that did that once [13:59:52] jtgorman | eh? [13:59:55] anarchivist | @quote add < mbklein> MARC is hard. Let's go shopping! [13:59:56] zoia | anarchivist: The operation succeeded. Quote #1730 added. [13:59:57] jtgorman | wha... [14:00:01] akorphan | gsf: there's a radio suck in the mall [14:00:03] MrDys | impressive. [14:00:04] highermath_c4 | shopping4gloves++++ [14:00:09] akorphan | aand another one next to Whole Foods [14:00:19] gsf | akorphan: with radio-controlled cars? [14:00:34] highermath_c4 | Is WF near here? [14:00:36] akorphan | gsf: I didn't notice any. I actually happened to go to both last night. [14:00:38] jrochkind100 | I like how he leaves out the role of those who actually develop the LibX plug-in itself. [14:00:38] BillDueber | gsf: I like where you're going with that... [14:00:42] jtgorman | ummm [14:00:44] jfereira | does RS sell lazer pointers? [14:00:49] jtgorman | stupid question... [14:00:50] lbjay | DevAppCommDucken [14:01:02] rosy1280 | isn't there a bestbuy in providence place mall? [14:01:08] mbklein | And that box that will keep the government from turning off my wife's grandmother's TV? [14:01:09] ---| ---> TerenceIngram [i=46a4190c@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-eac863f034e58047] has joined #code4lib [14:01:11] akorphan | highermath: behind the train station, turn left at the end of the road, bear right at the fork, go 1/4 mile. [14:01:18] rsinger | who funds libx? [14:01:21] akorphan | it's YOOOGE [14:01:21] jtgorman | at any point has there been data loss with the free LibraryThing accounts? [14:01:22] mbklein | (which is her interpretation of the Digital TV transition...) [14:01:26] dchud | i kinda like the idea of using pymarc to load in many different serialization types for marc and efficiently stuff them into couchdb to see how useful marc-in-couchdb is [14:01:30] paulalbert | jferiera: I actually have a laser pointer on my person --your Cornell colleague (NYC) [14:01:33] rsinger | too soon [14:01:34] jtgorman | or, say, do they get deleted after a certain amount of activity? [14:01:35] gsf | edition builder is some heavy javascript [14:01:42] * highermath_c could use a 500w laser pointer about now [14:01:50] dchud | rsinger: what's too soon? [14:01:56] MrDys | no "releases"? [14:01:58] jtgorman | or am I just somehow misremembering my user name? [14:02:11] jrochkind100 | MrDys: It all runs on their server only. So it's always trunk. You can't install the LibX edition builder yourself. [14:02:21] jrochkind100 | MrDys: Well, maybe you CAN, it might theoretically be open source, but they don't want you to. [14:02:23] rsinger | dchud: i asked who was paying for libx right before he mentioned the grant [14:02:26] MrDys | jrochkind100: ah ha [14:02:27] LibraryThingT | "data loss with the free LibraryThing accounts" — Back in 2006 we lost a few days data—gave out free accounts... [14:02:35] dchud | rsinger: oh [14:02:41] LibraryThingT | the latter, I'm sure. PM me. [14:02:57] edsu | that's a lot of people [14:03:02] dchud | speaking of builders, i think i saw Geoffrey Bilder here [14:03:09] mbklein | emorgan++ # volume is everything [14:03:12] timmcgeary | what is Eric planning to do with that napkin? [14:03:27] jrochkind100 | To as much degree as you want. Take it, Amazon! [14:03:30] gsf | timmcgeary: lead the dance [14:03:31] Kerwick | white flag? [14:03:36] ---| ---> mib_kizd9m4v [i=46a4190c@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-e53f00d7bef7cce2] has joined #code4lib [14:03:36] dchud | timmcgeary: he has this whole Satchmo shtick that's *hilarious* [14:03:47] mjg_ | teutonic_humor++ [14:03:48] abarrera | timmcgeary: throw it like a shoe at Godmar? [14:03:48] rsinger | dchud: anyway, i have no problem with that application of pymarc -- but how are you going to get agreement on the marcjson structure? [14:03:58] mbklein | Or, on the flipside, "Don't borrow that book from the library! Buy it from Amazon.com!" [14:03:58] dbs | MrDys: jrochkind100: I used to build LibX myself, so I could send i18n patches, until I got tired of having patches refused. which was only a couple of months. low patience on my end. [14:04:03] BigD | dchud++ [14:04:10] akorphan | sweet, iBahn borks google maps. [14:04:10] akorphan | A little. [14:04:10] jbrinley | rsinger: dchud will speak, and it will be so [14:04:12] mbklein | The LibX Amazon edition, complete with my referral code built in. [14:04:12] rsinger | dchud: will you be able to validate the marc? [14:04:13] BillDueber | rsinger: Build it. If people bitch, change it. [14:04:14] ---| <<-- highermath_c4l09 [i=46a4190c@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-136e040f8485c8ed] has quit ("http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client") [14:04:22] dchud | rsinger: agreement? who needs agreement? i'll write it one way, and we can improve it from there. [14:04:27] rsinger | hrm [14:04:30] jrochkind100 | dbs: Yeah, that's my feeling. He doesn't want anyone else to touch the actual LibX core code. But _instead_, he's given LibX a plug-in format, so anyone else can write plugins. [14:04:32] BillDueber | rsinger: You have marc that validates????? [14:04:33] dchud | rsinger: working code wins [14:04:35] MrDys | dbs: so, did you abandon it? [14:04:38] miker_ | rsinger: by punching you in the throat, va robcaSSon [14:04:39] * jtgorman will hunt for a book he's pretty sure he's reviewed [14:04:40] jrochkind100 | dbs: Ie, "modules" and "libapps". Which may be enough. [14:04:47] TerenceIngram | @help [14:04:48] zoia | TerenceIngram: (help [] []) -- This command gives a useful description of what does. is only necessary if the command is in more than one plugin. [14:04:52] anarchivist | @google calc 1 USD to VND [14:04:54] zoia | anarchivist: 1 U.S. dollar = 17 543.8596 Vietnamese dong [14:04:54] timmcgeary | emorgan++ [14:04:55] mbklein | dchud++ # Consensus through code, not specs [14:04:56] LibraryThingT | Amazon referral code: Would violate their Associates agreement... [14:05:00] dbs | jrochkind100: not enough to add i18n though, unless things have changed massively [14:05:09] jtgorman | LibraryThingTim: I sent you a privmsg, don't know if you got it [14:05:14] ---| <<-- cbarr [i=46a4190c@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-c4d1acaab5ce59aa] has quit ("http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client") [14:05:14] ---| <<-- mib_dpon5ltq [i=46a4190c@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-84360755f1a03d84] has quit ("http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client") [14:05:16] LibraryThingT | Oh, I see it. Sorry. [14:05:18] jtgorman | LibraryThingTim: I'm going to see if I can find one of my reviews [14:05:19] gsf | dchud: the only record of marcjson i can find in the wild is BillDueber's perl [14:05:22] jrochkind100 | When I talked to Godmar yesterday, I kept suggesting things LibX could do, and he kept trying to convince me why I woudln't want to do that. :) [14:05:27] mbklein | I sent you a privmsg, but I eated i [14:05:29] mbklein | t [14:05:34] harmless | i wonder if any worms have abused referral programs successfully on a large scale [14:05:37] ---| ---> cschx [i=46a4190c@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-882c0f8a69b8af10] has joined #code4lib [14:05:44] BillDueber | dchud: And javascript. There's javascript for reading,t oo. [14:05:45] mbklein | jrochkind100: Did he win? [14:05:45] dbs | MrDys: yep. built an English-only LibX toolbar for the university using the edition builder. I suck. [14:05:47] harmless | and i wonder if amazon would admit it if that happened [14:05:48] * robcaSSon raffles off a throat-punching [14:05:49] ---| <<-- cfitz [n=chatzill@wsip-70-164-25-82.ri.ri.cox.net] has quit (Connection reset by peer) [14:05:54] jrochkind100 | dbs: It would be enought o add i18n to everything BUT the actual toolbar and libx preference panes. Which may not be enough. [14:05:55] BigD | did you suggest crazy stuuf? like having it show video? [14:05:55] mjg_ | anarchivist++ # that never gets old for those us who are developmentally fixed at the 6th grade [14:06:04] MrDys | dbs: isn't that illegal...(or just mean to the francos)? [14:06:06] jrochkind100 | dbs: But yes,I'm a bit frustrated with 'open source but you can't touch it unless you want to fork' too. [14:06:08] dbs | jrochkind100: right, not enough [14:06:15] ---| <<-- jchen [i=46a4190c@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-9bd0c848f2bb606b] has quit ("http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client") [14:06:15] ---| <<-- mib_kizd9m4v [i=46a4190c@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-e53f00d7bef7cce2] has quit (Client Quit) [14:06:24] ---| <<-- danbri [n=danbri@unaffiliated/danbri] has quit () [14:06:26] rsinger | dchud: so this will somehow get into marc4j? [14:06:32] dbs | MrDys: you'll note that LibX is pointed to by no LU web page. [14:06:54] jrochkind100 | dbs: Maybe we should fork it after he has 2.x done. Not that any of us want to spend the time on that. I guess he spends the time maintaining it he gets to make it closed open source. shrug. [14:07:02] mbklein | ksclarke++ [14:07:04] dchud | rsinger: i dunno. i just want to use it in pymarc. you're asking good questions but i'm not going to try to answer them before i get this working :) [14:07:04] BigD | did they fail too? [14:07:05] mbklein | djummies++ [14:07:09] abarrera | ksclarke++ # dummy [14:07:15] ---| <<-- mib_bd21r8jm [i=46a4190c@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-6c4cec282859f7be] has quit ("http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client") [14:07:15] dbs | BillDueber: now that I've seen your marcjson thing, I'm considering adding a JSON serialization for File_MARC. Although I should get 1.0 out first I guess. [14:07:26] MrDys | should have been "road to Djbuti" [14:07:28] escowles | my eyes! [14:07:31] rsinger | dchud: i mean, the only point of marc is an interchange format, right? [14:07:39] mjg_ | ksclarke's a joker, he's a smoker, he's a midnight djatoker [14:07:40] anarchivist | dbs: can you tell me why people are still using phpmarc? [14:07:41] ecorrado | bright_yellow-- [14:07:46] anarchivist | dbs: probably not [14:07:52] abarrera | mjgiarlo++ [14:07:53] * mbklein wants some djummi bears [14:07:54] mib_xxmepy6r | it speaks into the mic or it gets the hose again [14:07:56] wtd | LU? [14:07:58] anarchivist | yellow = the color of envy [14:07:59] dbs | anarchivist: probably because File_MARC is 0.2.3beta and scary [14:08:01] BillDueber | dbs, dchud: You can pull what *I* think is marc-json out of my api, e.g., http://mirlyn.lib.umich.edu/cgi-bin/api_josh/marc.json/id/22 [14:08:03] andyashton | Djummiville sounds creepy [14:08:05] dbs | wtd: laurentian [14:08:14] anarchivist | err [14:08:14] anarchivist | no, thats green [14:08:14] anarchivist | the naragansett is talking again, sorry [14:08:15] ---| <<-- sechard [i=46a4190c@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-7ecdc28f06a73bef] has quit ("http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client") [14:08:24] mbklein | That's a lot of yellow right there. [14:08:24] chickmarkley | i toka. djatoka? [14:08:26] BillDueber | I feel like I'm buying generic toilet paper. [14:08:29] jrochkind100 | dbs: I wonder, if you convinced Godmar that you were really serious about forking it, if he'd start paying attention to your patches. You just need to bluff him. [14:08:30] abarrera | BigD wants a djoughnut [14:08:32] liza_ | It's like I have a tan [14:08:48] timmcgeary | my eyes are burning [14:08:49] mjg_ | I feel like I caught teh jaundice. [14:08:49] mjg_ | sorry, djaundice [14:08:54] anarchivist | dbs: yeah, still does it better [14:08:58] jrochkind100 | openurl-- [14:09:01] anarchivist | h8 phpmarc [14:09:01] BillDueber | timmcgeary: From the yellow? Or the mention of OpenURL? [14:09:03] dbs | jrochkind100: I just don't care anymore. We actually had the IE LibX installed on our learning commons computers but it broke our registrar system [14:09:03] timmcgeary | mgj_++ [14:09:06] anarchivist | h8 php [14:09:06] ---| <--- chickmarkley [i=46a4190c@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-53af9047c31db11a] has left #code4lib () [14:09:07] ---| Acknowledged: You're now known as lbjay2k [14:09:10] timmcgeary | from the yellow [14:09:14] akorphan | djatoka doesn't seem to have a Wikipedia page. Or maybe Is doin it rong [14:09:15] ---| <<-- cazzerson [i=46a4190c@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-e40804a29ca6ccc6] has quit ("http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client") [14:09:15] ---| <<-- doylem [i=46a4190c@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-3fa0191caee571ab] has quit ("http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client") [14:09:15] ---| <<-- mouwd [i=46a4190c@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-b91875f2104822ee] has quit ("http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client") [14:09:17] ---| ---> chickmarkley [i=46a4190c@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-53af9047c31db11a] has joined #code4lib [14:09:18] jrochkind100 | lbdjay [14:09:21] rsinger | oof. using openurl [14:09:26] robcaSSon | delicious_sacrilege_part_deux++ [14:09:29] ---| ---> steambadger [i=46a4190c@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-84ad77d42a2ed4e3] has joined #code4lib [14:09:36] MrDys | where does this stupid name come from? [14:09:44] ---| <<-- gsf [i=gsf@manheim.library.drexel.edu] has quit (Remote closed the connection) [14:09:46] mjg_ | anarchivist: have you added djatoka support to djabberdjaw? [14:09:46] jrochkind100 | rsinger: I bet you can guess who one of the main developers of djakota is. Who ELSE would ever choose to use openurl? [14:09:49] timmcgeary | i don't mind the openURL too much [14:09:56] dchud | BillDueber: i'll take a look at your json stuff, thanks for the pointer! [14:09:59] rsinger | g.d. herverts [14:10:03] ---| ---> highermath_c4l09 [i=46a4190c@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-220e782f0cde63c8] has joined #code4lib [14:10:10] ---| ---> mib_qg0sa564 [i=46a4190c@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-b92f8f9f1cc4f969] has joined #code4lib [14:10:11] rsinger | timmcgeary: then you aren't working with it, obv. [14:10:12] jrochkind100 | von de sompel [14:10:13] mjg_ | rsinger++ [14:10:16] ---| <<-- andyashton [i=46a4190c@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-263456565278e595] has quit ("http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client") [14:10:24] mjg_ | "herverts"++ [14:10:33] abarrera | MrDys: from guys smoking too much maridjuana [14:10:36] anarchivist | mjg_: coming soon [14:10:37] asnagy | BillDueber: cool - will you be porting this to vufind ;) [14:10:44] ---| User: *** mib_qg0sa564 is now known as mouwd [14:10:46] harmless | anarchivist: can you tell me why people are still using php? [14:10:53] ---| ---> andyashton [i=46a4190c@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-b01369364f8af18b] has joined #code4lib [14:10:54] anarchivist | mjg_: i've been kinda rethinking about rewriting djabberdjaw again [14:11:05] anarchivist | harmless: it's easy to implement [14:11:15] ---| <<-- fdadf [i=46a4190c@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-d5f3f1fbf5e8abbc] has quit ("http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client") [14:11:16] BillDueber | asnagy: Yup. Unless I can convince folks to just open up our solr port and let *that* be our API... [14:11:20] MrDys | I refuse to pronounce it as it seems to want to be pronounced. it's "dakota" in my brain [14:11:20] anarchivist | one of our UX designers literally has nightmares about nested PHP arrays [14:11:24] dlovins | http://www.dlib.org/dlib/september08/chute/09chute.html [14:11:25] harmless | lossy to lossy transcoding is... more lossy [14:11:25] ---| ---> gbilder [i=46a4190c@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-1f01ddd670e64b49] has joined #code4lib [14:11:25] ---| <<-- kgs [n=chatzill@wsip-70-164-25-117.ri.ri.cox.net] has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) [14:11:26] timmcgeary | rsinger: not as much as you have, for sure [14:11:31] JodiS | What's an rft_id? [14:11:34] mbklein | BOOP! [14:11:35] anarchivist | someone hit the booper [14:11:51] edsu | referent id ? [14:11:54] scolford | anarchivist: and really easy to implement poorly [14:11:58] rsinger | what edsu said [14:11:59] jrochkind100 | JodiS: OpenURL for just an identifier. [14:12:01] lbjay2k | JodiS: referent id [14:12:05] JodiS | thanks guys [14:12:10] anarchivist | scolford: yeah :) [14:12:16] ---| <<-- Guest76608 [i=46a4190c@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-49d037bad0a5e8d2] has quit ("http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client") [14:12:16] ---| <<-- dchud [i=46a4190c@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-9309786bff28a85e] has quit ("http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client") [14:12:16] jrochkind100 | Again, can I say, I have learned to hate OpenURL, through great familiarity. [14:12:26] LibraryThingT | I find book covers oten work best in GIF/PNG. [14:12:26] LibraryThingT | Could djakota be used for a cover repository a la Amazon? [14:12:26] LibraryThingT | harmless: People still like getting things done. [14:12:29] rosy1280 | JodiS rft_id = a referent id part of OpenURL 1.0 [14:12:35] anarchivist | as much as i hate php, i love drupal [14:12:38] ---| ---> gsf [i=gsf@manheim.library.drexel.edu] has joined #code4lib [14:12:38] zoia | Ŧåĸŏ [14:12:41] lbjay2k | argh, the lag-- [14:12:46] wickr | I'd guess it's overkill for book covers [14:12:50] anarchivist | http://d1syadvoyajtpr.cloudfront.net/f37f36b01b017789b4a23084e7e0b195_500.jpg [14:12:51] wickr | unless they're huge [14:12:57] * jbrinley can't open gmail anymore [14:12:59] timmcgeary | I really can't look at the screen [14:12:59] jrochkind100 | They decided OpenURL is a good fit for this... because when all you've got is a hammer... [14:13:08] timmcgeary | i'm totally getting a migraine [14:13:13] rsinger | there's a point you hit where you see openurl go from 'useful' to 'unholy' [14:13:16] scolford | anarchivist: and i oughta know [14:13:21] anarchivist | this shit is so herverted [14:13:23] ---| ---> messyp [n=chatzill@wsip-70-164-25-82.ri.ri.cox.net] has joined #code4lib [14:13:33] highermath_c4 | is there really a best buy in downtown providence [14:13:38] ---| ---> kgs [n=chatzill@wsip-70-164-25-117.ri.ri.cox.net] has joined #code4lib [14:13:39] BillDueber | pictures_in_channel_slowing_everything_down-- [14:13:42] liza_ | cmYk [14:13:43] ---| ---> cdc [i=46a4190c@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-8f8ec5a9fbc0319c] has joined #code4lib [14:13:49] mjg_ | anarchivist: verging on herverse [14:13:58] jrochkind100 | rsinger: So have you finally joined me accross that boundry? [14:13:58] mjg_ | herverging? [14:14:01] timmcgeary | rsinger: I've heard that, but we haven't gotten that far into yet to not be useful [14:14:09] mjg_ | distributed herversion control? [14:14:10] michaeldb | i could be crazy, but i don't think you really have to touch openurl at all to use djatoka [14:14:14] ---| ---> BigD1 [n=dfleming@dfleming-vpn.ucsd.edu] has joined #code4lib [14:14:15] mib_xxmepy6r | there is a radio shack in the mall [14:14:19] mbklein | BigD: You have a yellow filter I can borrow to gray this presentation out? [14:14:20] ---| <<-- scolford [i=46a4190c@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-d5c74a567cdb9eb0] has quit ("mibbit.com: mibbit is melting") [14:14:23] ---| <--- mouwd [i=46a4190c@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-b92f8f9f1cc4f969] has left #code4lib () [14:14:25] jrochkind100 | They are NOT extensible. LIE. [14:14:25] LibraryThingT | wickr: Have you seen what Amazon's image servers can do. I would be very surprised if it was as poswerful [14:14:28] ---| <<-- andyashton [i=46a4190c@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-b01369364f8af18b] has quit (Client Quit) [14:14:28] jbrinley | possible to make mibbit not download pictures? [14:14:31] khatar | anarchivist, http://www.tinybox.net/content/anarchivist-failed-epically [14:14:32] MrDys | you people and your WEAK EYES [14:14:32] ---| <<-- BigD [n=dfleming@dfleming-vpn.ucsd.edu] has quit (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) [14:14:33] michaeldb | that's only if you want to have it store identifiers and stuff, but you can always pass in the url to your jpeg2000 instead [14:14:37] rsinger | jrochkind100: oh dude, i've been there [14:14:41] cschx | Things worth forking LibX for: 1) fine-grained control over what domains cues can run in; 2) A BETTER UI. [14:14:41] anarchivist | mjg_: opening repositories like trenchcoats since 1999 [14:14:43] edsu | the http part is pretty :) [14:14:53] MrDys | you're practically begging for a technicolor dream presentation from me for tomorrow [14:15:01] rsinger | jrochkind100: it's just i don't know how to avoid it [14:15:12] anarchivist | MrDys: please do [14:15:14] LibraryThingT | Isn't black on yellow the absolute best thing for contrast—why they use it on street signs. [14:15:17] ---| <<-- kreiss [i=46a4190c@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-81eaea51016fbd65] has quit ("http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client") [14:15:18] akorphan | mbklein: Just pretend it's a tonka toy. [14:15:19] jrochkind100 | Yeah. [14:15:21] timmcgeary | MrDys++ [14:15:27] rsinger | jrochkind100: also, the downside of ropenurl, is that i feel it should actually work to the spec [14:15:28] highermath_c4 | mib_xxmepy6r: went there - no luck [14:15:30] timmcgeary | MrDys: go for it [14:15:36] jrochkind100 | But I feel no guilt violating the standard where convenient. When a standard sucks and doesn't do what I need, I feel no compunction extending it on my own. [14:15:36] dhanu | black on yellow++ [14:15:39] BillDueber | Oops. Here comes "bad cop [14:15:47] Kerwick | ropenurl++ [14:15:51] harmless | Neat! "djatoka is a Java-based open source image server with an attractive basic feature set and extensibility under control of the community of implementers. Off-the-shelf, djatoka provides compression and region extraction of JPEG 2000 images, URI-addressability of regions, and support for a rich set of input/output image formats (e.g., BMP, GIF, JPG, PNG, PNM, TIF, JPEG 2000). djatoka also comes with a plug-in framew [14:15:52] rsinger | jrochkind100: instead of my idealized interpretation of the spec [14:15:53] BillDueber | I'm sorry. Cock-a-doo???? [14:15:53] anarchivist | @hussein kakadu [14:15:54] khatar | anarchivist, icanhaz ur opinion? [14:15:54] zoia | anarchivist: Aha! I used skunk [14:15:59] jrochkind100 | rsinger: are you actually touching ropenurl ever these days? [14:16:02] mbklein | LibraryThingTim: People aren't expected to stare at street signs for 20 minutes. For "look-and-look-away," the color scheme is great. [14:16:05] rsinger | jrochkind100: well, i feel like that's what DSLs are for [14:16:20] rsinger | jrochkind100: yeah, i pushed in a new version the other day [14:16:23] akorphan | highermath: http://maps.google.com/maps?abauth=4d3f69e5%3AdYgbQfYdD5PYpEc-r_FEl3ycZL8&output=html&hl=en&f=d&source=s_d&saddr=5+avenue+of+the+arts+providence+ri&daddr=601+N+Main+St%2C+Providence%2C+RI+02904+(Whole+Foods+Market)&btnG=Get+Directions [14:16:25] rsinger | jrochkind100: of trunk [14:16:28] kgs | LibraryThingTim street signs aren't ten feet high and you don't look at them for 20 min [14:16:32] akorphan | oops. [14:16:32] anarchivist | khatar: wouldn't have made a difference re: git vs. hg, the issue is the external diffing tools [14:16:33] JodiS | @quote search standard [14:16:34] timmcgeary | black on yellow -- [14:16:36] ecorrado | words_that_cannt_be_pronounced [14:16:37] zoia | JodiS: 18 found: #112: "what's really needed here is a balanced,...", #1305: " using non-library standards is cool....", #1319: " I kind of like thinking of code4lib...", #1501: " save me, semantic web full of...", #1587: " a standard should take one small...", #1592: " standards are my life.", #1593: " What's your favourite standard? ...", #1722: " if (2 more messages) [14:16:38] dhanu | well i guess white on black would also look good [14:16:41] wickr | lag-- [14:16:43] jrochkind100 | rsinger: I guess I shoudl really get umlaut to use your actual trunk version instead of the weird abandoned branch I've ended up with, huh? [14:16:46] * jtgorman forgot his login to LibraryThing as usual [14:16:49] jtgorman | :) [14:16:50] JodiS | @quote get 1722 [14:16:51] kgs | sorta like eating a meal made of many cups of capers [14:16:51] zoia | JodiS: Quote #1722: " if everyone has there own standard, there aren't any standards :)" (added by JodiS at 11:20 AM, February 24, 2009) [14:16:54] ---| ---> mib_dxv5z4lg [i=46a4190c@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-2accc2e211da0684] has joined #code4lib [14:16:55] ---| <<-- BigD1 [n=dfleming@dfleming-vpn.ucsd.edu] has quit (Client Quit) [14:17:00] LibraryThingT | Ha. Very true. [14:17:00] LibraryThingT | But if there were any danger, we'd be set. [14:17:03] rsinger | jrochkind100: no no -- the deprecated trunk [14:17:05] erikhatcher | maridjuana++ [14:17:07] anarchivist | khatar: and you still run into the problems f representing change in hierarchies even if you use an arguably "simpler" data model like YAML [14:17:09] rjw | projectnames you can't say-- [14:17:13] jrochkind100 | rsinger: DSL doesn't handle putting data into the openurl that the openurl format doesn't want to let me put in there in a structured way. [14:17:14] rsinger | jrochkind100: the one that's really just SAP1/2 [14:17:15] ---| User: *** mib_dxv5z4lg is now known as mouwd [14:17:18] ---| <<-- dansuchy [i=896e10a2@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-2daeb61f6be0e216] has quit ("http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client") [14:17:19] anarchivist | erikhatcher++ [14:17:19] rosy1280 | unless cheap is $5 i aint using it [14:17:23] * JodiS did that once [14:17:30] rsinger | jrochkind100: but it had some bugs even in that context [14:17:33] dbs | BillDueber: I probably wouldn't do the subfields as a hash of arrays; I would stick with an array of arrays, 'cause I love me my order [14:17:39] jrochkind100 | rsinger: No, I have a medium-attempt one, that's not really just SAP1/2, I don't think, but isn't what you ended up with either. [14:17:49] JodiS | zoia? [14:18:03] anarchivist | djatoka_maridjuana_yet?++ [14:18:09] dbs | err, array of hashes? [14:18:10] rsinger | jrochkind100: yeah, i 'fixed' what you get when you 'gem install openurl' [14:18:10] zoia | New news from planetcode4lib: del.icio.us: Information for LibX developers - LibX Developer's Page || del.icio.us: Georgia Tech Library :: GT Web Localizer || Chudnov, Dan: code4lib 2009 talk on caching and proxying linked data || Chudnov, Dan: Things Nobody Wants to Say, Part One : [14:18:40] * JodiS isn't interested in anything ;) [14:18:41] khatar | anarchivist, i think i missed something but i see what you meant [14:18:42] highermath_c4 | mib_xxmepy6r: i need to buy a thin usb dvd writer [14:18:44] khatar | thx [14:18:45] BillDueber | s/important/importance/ [14:18:46] highermath_c4 | mib_xxmepy6r: i need to buy a thin usb dvd writer [14:18:46] * akorphan plans to name all future products in Welsh. [14:18:47] mbklein | JodiS: I thought you had >0 interests [14:19:09] BillDueber | And hereeeeeere goes the network... [14:19:11] mouwd | anyone else having mibbit issues? it keeps kicking me out. [14:19:20] JodiS | mbklein: not on FOAF. many, many interests IRL [14:19:26] ---| ---> jchen [i=46a4190c@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-f3dfeebe5e1f24a5] has joined #code4lib [14:19:28] mjg_ | shoutout to BHL++ [14:19:30] gsf | mouwd: s/mibbit/network/ [14:19:37] jbrinley | mouwd: I get nothing for about 3 minutes, then a flood data, then nothing... [14:19:41] ---| ---> gsf__ [i=gsf@manheim.library.drexel.edu] has joined #code4lib [14:19:47] anarchivist | khatar: yes, fundamentally it's not really an issue of using DVCS at all [14:19:51] timmcgeary | it's the network [14:19:55] jbrinley | and no gmail [14:19:57] akorphan | The only web stuff that's running well for me is mibbit. [14:19:58] * ecorrado is interested in sleep [14:20:09] anarchivist | khatar: i wanted to use an external diff tool to determine when things actually changed [14:20:14] anarchivist | khatar: beyond simple whitespace [14:20:15] mbklein | akorphan: Llanfairpwllgwyngyllgogerychwyrndrobwllllantysiliogogogoch v. 0.8? [14:20:15] ecorrado | post_lunch_droopiness-- [14:20:19] ---| <<-- cdc [i=46a4190c@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-8f8ec5a9fbc0319c] has quit ("http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client") [14:20:19] ---| <<-- kat3 [i=46a4190c@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-9da54db2dbb69c2c] has quit ("http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client") [14:20:24] rosy1280 | network-- [14:20:25] timmcgeary | no_yellow++ [14:20:26] messyp | djatoka dis [14:20:26] erikhatcher | harmless: curious.... if not PHP, how do you build or recommend building web apps? [14:20:28] MrDys | mootools-- [14:20:32] ---| <--- gsf__ [i=gsf@manheim.library.drexel.edu] has left #code4lib () [14:20:37] jbrinley | the_network-- [14:20:56] steambadger | What's the problem? Grab the output of a side-by-side diff, pipe it to a perl regex, mark it up, run it through an XSLT stylesheet, then throw it back to a mason engine and slap it on the screen. Nice and slow, so nobody gets hurt. [14:20:57] jrochkind100 | rsinger: But you think I should try to switch to your new one? I can do that, since we have decent unit test coverage, I'll just make sure all my unit tests work against the new one. [14:20:57] jrochkind100 | rsinger: I didn't realize you were still developing it, I thought it was entirely abandoned. [14:21:01] mbklein | OMG they killed http://kenny! [14:21:08] akorphan | Clearly this conference is a test for the business managers at the Renaissance. [14:21:10] asnagy | erikhatcher: cobol is the answer [14:21:22] ---| ---> cdc [i=46a4190c@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-3c9f684c39f16cac] has joined #code4lib [14:21:26] mouwd | network-- [14:21:27] akorphan | "once this thing kind of renders here...." [14:21:36] mjg_ | Someone told me that live demo-based presentations always work. I think his name was LIAR MCFIBBYPANTS [14:21:36] rsinger | jrochkind100: uh, some guy in australia emailed me a bug [14:21:37] BillDueber | asnagy++ [14:21:39] anarchivist | erikhatcher: i would build everything in python, but that's me :) [14:21:40] Kerwick | Asnagy: no way, Fortan... [14:21:40] mbklein | steambadger++ [14:21:49] ---| <<-- jchen [i=46a4190c@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-f3dfeebe5e1f24a5] has quit (Client Quit) [14:21:50] rsinger | jrochkind100: about how it clobbers repeatable values [14:21:55] * jbrinley saw this working quite nicely over his shoulder yesterday [14:21:56] Kerwick | s/Fortan/Fortran [14:22:00] khatar | anarchivist++ about it ... write a tool that can be configured to ignore some changes and to diff hierarchies makes sense [14:22:03] rsinger | jrochkind100: it was an easy fix [14:22:20] ---| <<-- TerenceIngram [i=46a4190c@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-eac863f034e58047] has quit ("http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client") [14:22:29] anarchivist | the openlayers j2k stuf is cool [14:22:34] anarchivist | s/stuf/stuff [14:22:43] khatar | anarchivist, do you think the reste of the test was successfull? [14:22:43] ---| ---> decasm [i=46a4190c@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-57a3c3a9ea9a9e91] has joined #code4lib [14:22:46] anarchivist | openlayers in general is justsuper cool [14:22:59] JodiS | network has really slowed down from my chair [14:23:05] rosy1280 | oh network...why have you forsaken us [14:23:06] rsinger | @whatis H.R. Pufnstuf [14:23:09] zoia | rsinger: comment: H.R. Pufnstuf is a children's television series produced by Sid and Marty Krofft in the United States. There were seventeen episodes of the show originally broadcast from September 6, 1969 to September 4, 1971. It was so successful that NBC kept it on the Saturday morning schedule for a full three seasons until August 1972. The show was shot in Paramount Studios and (2 more messages) [14:23:15] akorphan | yup, everything is choking. [14:23:17] ---| <<-- jfereira [i=46a41923@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-d838e8062a344365] has quit ("http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client") [14:23:23] BillDueber | JodiS: It's your chair's fault? MOVE IT! [14:23:29] decasm | jodiS: your chair is networked? [14:23:42] JodiS | lol [14:23:44] jrochkind100 | rsinger: Yeah, okay, so not so much actively developed. I don't like that I'm using an entirely different branch than the dude in australia, we've wound up with a fork. But I'm not sure what to do about it. [14:23:58] jbrinley | someone in the channel is named "was", so mibbit keeps highlighting that word [14:24:01] ---| ---> jchen [i=46a4190c@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-ea0cd4e971806a69] has joined #code4lib [14:28:06] ---| <<-- LibraryThingTim [n=LibraryT@50.sub-75-221-209.myvzw.com] has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) [14:28:06] rsinger | jrochkind100: he just used gem install openurl [14:28:06] BillDueber | rsinger: Come and play with me, Jimmy, come and play with me. And I will take you on a trip far across the sea. [14:28:06] mbklein | jbrinley: I noticed that. [14:28:06] rsinger | jrochkind100: i mean, yeah [14:28:06] ---| <<-- caroldotou_ [i=46a4190c@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-acd0582926a814cb] has quit ("http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client") [14:28:06] mbklein | easy_install faster_network [14:28:06] rsinger | @whatis The Magical World of Sid and Marty Krofft [14:28:06] zoia | rsinger: better luck next time [14:28:06] akorphan | manualBahn [14:28:06] mbklein | apt-get remove latency [14:28:06] * rsinger sighs. [14:28:06] MrDys | rsinger: longing for some puppety oddballs? [14:28:06] jtgorman | LibraryThingTim: if you ever come back ... http://www.joltawards.com/ [14:28:06] BillDueber | cpan Network::XS [14:28:06] ---| <<-- rosy1280 [i=46a4190c@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-8dbddd26b01b0fa6] has quit ("http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client") [14:28:06] ecorrado | ding! [14:28:06] ---| ---> BigD [i=46a4190c@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-43181620bb9cdff0] has joined #code4lib [14:28:06] akorphan | can we get our money back for internet access? [14:28:06] anarchivist | khatar: yeah, DVCS was a perfect fit otherwise [14:28:06] akorphan | by we I mean code4lib [14:28:06] ---| ---> rosy1280 [i=46a4190c@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-eadf45c66c6be181] has joined #code4lib [14:28:06] kgs | @foaf kgs interest [14:28:06] timmcgeary | break++ [14:28:06] zoia | kgs: kgs : , , , , , [14:28:06] * robcaSSon is sooo taking a nap [14:28:06] Kerwick | akorphan, we aren't being charged [14:28:06] rsinger | MrDys: what is now the CNN Center in ATL was formerly the Sid & Marty Krofft amusement park [14:28:06] liza_ | I've never been to a tech conference with good wifi [14:28:06] rjw | internet-rebate++ [14:28:06] ---| <<-- rosy1280 [i=46a4190c@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-eadf45c66c6be181] has quit (Client Quit) [14:28:06] akorphan | kerwick: I still want my money back. [14:28:06] MrDys | rsinger: Druggachusetts? [14:28:06] jbrinley | last year wasn't bad [14:28:06] ---| ---> anarchivist_ [n=anarchiv@unaffiliated/anarchivist] has joined #code4lib [14:28:06] jbrinley | slow, but usable [14:28:06] jtgorman | Athens they really tried [14:28:06] Kerwick | akorphan: lol, so true :-) [14:28:06] steambadger | World of Sid and Marty Kroft! Man, that place was scary! [14:28:06] ---| <<-- anarchivist [n=anarchiv@unaffiliated/anarchivist] has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) [14:28:06] mbklein | jbrinley: Are we scripting, or freewheeling? :) [14:28:06] abarrera | mjgiarlo: no writing fraudulent lightning talks on the board [14:28:06] jbrinley | mbklein: freewheeling works for me [14:28:06] ---| ---> jfereira [i=46a41923@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-5c5361626d8678d4] has joined #code4lib [14:28:06] ---| <<-- jchen [i=46a4190c@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-ea0cd4e971806a69] has quit (Client Quit) [14:28:06] mjg_ | abarrera: I would never. [14:28:16] rsinger | akorphan: didn't you mention a guatemalan rest. yesterday? [14:28:19] mbklein | jbrinley: OK. You might want to @forget yourself and have your URI on hand so we can do a @know on the fly. I'm guessing mibbit is the way to go. [14:28:21] ---| <<-- decasm [i=46a4190c@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-57a3c3a9ea9a9e91] has quit ("http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client") [14:28:22] ---| <<-- calvinm_ [i=calvinm@fraser.sfu.ca] has quit () [14:28:27] abarrera | mjg_: me neither [14:28:31] jbrinley | mbklein: just a brief intro to why we did it, maybe highlight some code (rdflib, sparql), then demo it [14:28:33] ---| <<-- bradw [i=46a4190c@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-d439bbf97ec60807] has quit ("http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client") [14:28:34] messyp | Jah Tokka [14:28:47] abarrera | mjg_: no lil hawaiian sidekick this year? [14:29:10] mjg_ | abarrera: sadly, no! weep weep weep. [14:29:21] mbklein | jbrinley: I don't know that we're going to have time to show code. Maybe one SPARQL query. [14:29:21] ---| <<-- cschx [i=46a4190c@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-882c0f8a69b8af10] has quit ("http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client") [14:29:33] erikhatcher | anarchivist: what was taht increment for? [14:29:38] ecorrado | fedora++ [14:30:04] anarchivist_ | erikhatcher: don't remember [14:30:14] * mbklein would attend both solr and fedora if he could [14:30:22] ---| <<-- mib_xxmepy6r [i=46a4190c@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-d511f61cf832d90a] has quit ("http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client") [14:30:28] ---| <<-- rjw [n=rjw@wsip-70-164-25-108.ri.ri.cox.net] has quit () [14:30:31] erikhatcher | ah.... sorry, i was too stoned to catch your djatoka....:) [14:30:36] robcaSSon | where will the nap breakout be held? 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[14:31:54] ecorrado | beer_breakout++ [14:31:56] ---| <<-- abarrera [n=abarrera@wsip-70-164-25-91.ri.ri.cox.net] has quit () [14:32:02] ---| <<-- rsinger [n=rsinger@wsip-70-164-25-73.ri.ri.cox.net] has quit () [14:32:05] mbklein | royt: The Hugh Jackman of code4lib [14:32:05] mjg_ | lbjay2k: thinking of going to the lounge [14:32:05] ---| <<-- cbeer [n=chris@ratherinsane.com] has quit () [14:32:08] ---| <<-- jchphilly [i=46a4190c@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-f99315e593e76f42] has quit ("http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client") [14:32:09] liza_ | lb: Yeah [14:32:10] mjg_ | lbjay2k: for uhhhh hacking, yeah [14:32:11] ---| <<-- kgs [n=chatzill@wsip-70-164-25-117.ri.ri.cox.net] has quit ("ChatZilla 0.9.84 [Firefox 3.0.6/2009011913]") [14:32:17] ---| <<-- ecorrado [n=ecorrado@wsip-70-164-25-68.ri.ri.cox.net] has quit () [14:32:18] ---| <--- escowles [i=46a41974@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-bbe63a9efbcff0b8] has left #code4lib () [14:32:18] lbjay2k | lounge it is [14:32:21] ---| <<-- was [n=wschneid@65-112-121-29.dia.static.qwest.net] has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) [14:32:25] mjg_ | rock, see y'all down there. 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[14:36:45] jbrinley | @known jbrinley [14:36:45] zoia | jbrinley: jbrinley's URI is [14:36:54] jbrinley | @forget jbrinley [14:36:55] zoia | jbrinley: OK, I've forgotten jbrinley's URI [14:37:00] jbrinley | @known jbrinley [14:37:01] zoia | jbrinley: I don't know jbrinley's URI [14:37:41] jbrinley | @quote random [14:37:42] zoia | jbrinley: Quote #1690: " I run all my patches through @canuck" (added by ksclarke at 02:46 PM, February 04, 2009) [14:37:48] jbrinley | @quote random [14:37:48] zoia | jbrinley: Quote #1687: "< rsinger> speaking of crack, thank god i've finished this bag of pita chips" (added by gsf at 01:23 PM, January 30, 2009) [14:38:24] ---| <<-- highermath_c4l09 [i=46a4190c@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-220e782f0cde63c8] has quit ("http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client") [14:38:24] ---| <<-- gszxcv [i=46a4190c@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-f8f8b96b43fa7a4f] has quit ("http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client") [14:38:24] ---| <<-- steambadger [i=46a4190c@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-84ad77d42a2ed4e3] has quit ("http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client") [14:38:38] lbjay2k | mjgiarlo: drink is not a crime [14:40:45] ---| <<-- royt [n=tennantr@wsip-70-164-25-106.ri.ri.cox.net] has quit (Connection timed out) [14:41:28] ---| ---> Baroquem [n=matt@wsip-70-164-25-72.ri.ri.cox.net] has joined #code4lib [14:42:08] ---| ---> ccatalfo [i=46a4190c@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-271d02487ada83d3] has joined #code4lib [14:42:17] ---| ---> royt [n=tennantr@wsip-70-164-25-106.ri.ri.cox.net] has joined #code4lib [14:42:56] ---| ---> ecorrado [n=ecorrado@wsip-70-164-25-68.ri.ri.cox.net] has joined #code4lib [14:42:57] zoia | < mjgiarlo> ecorrado++ # rat's ass as abstention [14:43:13] * ecorrado needs a new herald [14:43:28] ---| ---> mib_911i3ehf [i=46a4190c@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-6dda7a5325bd1fb0] has joined #code4lib [14:43:39] jbrinley | @herald add ecorrado ecorrado needs a new herald [14:43:39] zoia | jbrinley: The operation succeeded. 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[14:49:12] jtgorman | hmmm, nevermind [14:49:13] ecorrado | jtgorman: [14:49:19] ecorrado | jtgorman++ [14:49:19] zoia | New news from planetcode4lib: del.icio.us: The Ebook Difference || Engard, Nicole: NFAIS 2009: Born Digital - Born Mobile || Chudnov, Dan: code4lib 2009 talk on caching and proxying linked data || Corrado, Ed: Ma.gnolia d [14:49:31] rjw | anyone seen rsinger: - his breakout awaits! [14:50:02] ---| <<-- royt [n=tennantr@wsip-70-164-25-106.ri.ri.cox.net] has quit () [14:50:05] jbrinley | @pirate [quote random] [14:50:09] zoia | jbrinley: Quote #436: "* edsu takes off his peppermint patty costume" (added by djfiander at 01:44 PM, SeptembARrrrr 28, 2006) [14:50:25] ecorrado | @herald add ecorrado The master of Open Source Racing [14:50:26] zoia | ecorrado: The operation succeeded. [14:50:28] ---| <<-- jfereira [i=46a41923@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-5c5361626d8678d4] has quit ("http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client") [14:50:47] rjw | ok folks stop looking rsinger: arrives! [14:50:53] ecorrado | funding++ [14:50:53] jbrinley | @pirate [sing [randtune]] [14:51:04] zoia | jbrinley: But I'll share me troubles if ye be off me way / I have no mother no salty sea-dog 'o a father / No sister no brother / I be an orphan lass [14:52:16] ---| ---> cdc [i=cff56b22@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-70a73d585a8abd64] has joined #code4lib [14:52:58] ecorrado | @herald add ecorrado quikc... someone bring more coffee [14:52:59] zoia | ecorrado: The operation succeeded. [14:53:00] ---| ---> mjg_ [i=46a4190c@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-052fed0caa3cf412] has joined #code4lib [14:53:04] ---| ---> chickmarkley [i=46a4190c@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-c71d19ee4050c6a7] has joined #code4lib [14:53:18] ecorrado | @herald add ecorrado quick... someone bring more coffee [14:53:19] ---| ---> jfereira [i=46a41923@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-d982116e86357152] has joined #code4lib [14:53:19] zoia | ecorrado: The operation succeeded. [14:53:58] ---| <<-- MrDys [i=MrDys@wsip-70-164-25-69.ri.ri.cox.net] has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) [14:54:12] ---| ---> kgs [n=chatzill@wsip-70-164-25-117.ri.ri.cox.net] has joined #code4lib [14:54:22] jtgorman | map++ [14:54:29] ---| <<-- cdc [i=cff56b22@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-70a73d585a8abd64] has quit (Client Quit) [14:54:34] jtgorman | perl_map++ to be more precise [14:54:49] ---| ---> mib_9pzb7xuy [i=46a4190c@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-5e6155d34b0103c1] has joined #code4lib [14:55:07] ---| ---> highermath [n=higherma@wsip-70-164-25-15.ri.ri.cox.net] has joined #code4lib [14:55:13] ecorrado | nap++ [14:55:14] ---| <<-- rjw [n=rjw@wsip-70-164-25-108.ri.ri.cox.net] has quit () [14:55:25] mjg_ | perl_nap-- [14:56:01] * ecorrado in fedora breakout rven though he has no plans to use fedora for anything [14:56:04] ---| ---> dueberb [n=dueberb@waffle.umdl.umich.edu] has joined #code4lib [14:56:14] ---| <<-- messyp [n=chatzill@wsip-70-164-25-82.ri.ri.cox.net] has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) [14:56:30] mjg_ | ecorrado: come over to the Temple lounge if you're bored w/ Fedora. we're chilling in the presence of alcohol. [14:56:39] ecorrado | mjg++ [14:56:47] ecorrado | cool, I'll be down soon [14:56:49] ---| <<-- ecorrado [n=ecorrado@wsip-70-164-25-68.ri.ri.cox.net] has quit () [14:56:52] ---| ---> elli_ [n=elli@128.148.178.178] has joined #code4lib [14:57:37] elli_ | hugh, can I run scheduling by you? [14:57:45] ---| ---> messyp [n=chatzill@wsip-70-164-25-82.ri.ri.cox.net] has joined #code4lib [14:58:38] chickmarkley | hey, where's libx room [14:59:03] JodiS | chickmarkley: Temple level [14:59:21] jbrinley | Beethoven, i think [14:59:39] chickmarkley | thanks, I'll send the guy there [15:00:12] steambadger | Fedora's in Beethoven, isn't it? [15:00:14] ---| <<-- elli_ [n=elli@128.148.178.178] has quit (Client Quit) [15:00:25] * jbrinley is probably wrong [15:00:42] ---| ---> anarchivist [n=anarchiv@wsip-70-164-25-84.ri.ri.cox.net] has joined #code4lib [15:00:42] steambadger | Handel? [15:01:04] vtd | temple level handel sounds right for the libx session [15:01:09] jtgorman | let me guess.....all the rooms are named after composers [15:01:26] cbeer | @know cbeer http://ratherinsane.com/~chris/foaf.rdf#cbeer [15:01:27] zoia | cbeer: cbeer's URI is now [15:01:48] steambadger | No, they're all named after serial killers who happen to have the same names as composers. It's tricky. [15:02:01] ---| <<-- asl2 [n=asl2@dsl092-130-095.chi1.dsl.speakeasy.net] has quit ("Leaving.") [15:02:23] * Baroquem thinks Mozart should be on the Temple level instead of the mezzanine. [15:02:35] ---| ---> abarrera [n=abarrera@wsip-70-164-25-91.ri.ri.cox.net] has joined #code4lib [15:02:42] mjg_ | anyone who wants to bail, we've got one open stool in the temple lounge [15:03:46] jtgorman | is the Beethoven room deafening? [15:04:11] * jtgorman avoided the more crass jokes, so people should be happy with that [15:04:33] ---| <<-- chickmarkley [i=46a4190c@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-c71d19ee4050c6a7] has quit ("http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client") [15:04:35] jtgorman | s/with that/for that/ [15:04:55] ---| <<-- abarrera [n=abarrera@wsip-70-164-25-91.ri.ri.cox.net] has quit (Client Quit) [15:05:03] ---| ---> ecorrado [n=ecorrado@wsip-70-164-25-68.ri.ri.cox.net] has joined #code4lib [15:05:03] zoia | quick... someone bring more coffee [15:05:31] steambadger | s'alright, jtgorman. I got your back. [15:05:54] * jtgorman struggles very hard not to make a crass joke [15:06:15] ---| ---> rjw [n=rjw@wsip-70-164-25-108.ri.ri.cox.net] has joined #code4lib [15:06:57] fak3r | jtgorman: crass joke appreciated [15:07:20] ---| <<-- lxming [n=liux@132-174-199-77.ip.oclc.org] has quit ("Lost terminal") [15:07:59] ---| ---> royt [n=tennantr@wsip-70-164-25-106.ri.ri.cox.net] has joined #code4lib [15:08:02] ---| ---> abarrera [n=abarrera@wsip-70-164-25-91.ri.ri.cox.net] has joined #code4lib [15:09:54] jfereira | people are starting to bail from the fedora room [15:10:45] ---| <<-- gsf [i=gsf@manheim.library.drexel.edu] has quit (Remote closed the connection) [15:11:11] ---| <<-- rjw [n=rjw@wsip-70-164-25-108.ri.ri.cox.net] has quit (Client Quit) [15:11:17] ranti | so, I got my foaf file set up. what's next? [15:11:43] jbrinley | ranti: it's online? [15:12:17] jbrinley | ranti: next, tell zoia your URI [15:12:55] jbrinley | @help know [15:12:56] zoia | jbrinley: (know [] ) -- Associates the given URI with the given nick. If the nick already has a URI, it will be forgotten. Defaults to the calling user. [15:13:26] ranti | jbrinley: thanks. [15:14:16] ranti | @kamow ranti http://staff.lib.msu.edu/junus/foaf.rdf#ranti [15:14:18] zoia | ranti: I suppose. I mean, nothing's impossible: http://www.bmj.com/cgi/content/full/321/7276/1569 [15:14:22] ---| ---> paulalbert [n=paulalbe@wsip-70-164-25-36.ri.ri.cox.net] has joined #code4lib [15:14:34] * ranti chuckles [15:14:38] zoia | true, true [15:14:43] ranti | @know ranti http://staff.lib.msu.edu/junus/foaf.rdf#ranti [15:14:45] zoia | ranti: ranti's URI is now [15:15:11] jbrinley | @knows ranti zoia [15:15:14] zoia | jbrinley: ranti does not know zoia, but zoia knows ranti. [15:15:38] ranti | er, do I need to add zoia to my foaf as well? [15:15:56] jbrinley | ranti: yes, if you want to assert that you know zoia [15:16:27] jbrinley | @common knows jbrinley ranti [15:16:28] zoia | jbrinley: I don't know jbrinley's URI. [15:16:36] jbrinley | @common knows mbklein ranti [15:16:48] ---| ---> gsf__ [i=gsf@manheim.library.drexel.edu] has joined #code4lib [15:16:48] ejk | @know ejk http://rhymeswithtoaster.com/foaf.rdf#me [15:16:49] zoia | jbrinley: , , , , [15:16:51] zoia | ejk: ejk's URI is now [15:17:01] ---| <<-- Baroquem [n=matt@wsip-70-164-25-72.ri.ri.cox.net] has quit () [15:17:04] * jtgorman needs a new domain [15:17:06] ranti | jbrinley: ah so. Sounds like the key-signing party thingy. [15:17:14] jtgorman | I had jonathan.gorman.net for a while but...yeah [15:17:15] mjg_ | I am consuming TanquerayML [15:17:19] jbrinley | ranti: kind of like that, yes [15:17:24] mjg_ | It seems to be valid and well-formed. [15:17:29] ---| ---> erikstattin [i=46a4190c@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-ab8bb4d4e7a417dc] has joined #code4lib [15:17:36] ---| <<-- steambadger [i=46a4190c@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-2055febdf05e26ea] has quit ("http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client") [15:18:01] ---| <--- gsf__ [i=gsf@manheim.library.drexel.edu] has left #code4lib () [15:18:44] ---| ---> gsf [i=gsf@manheim.library.drexel.edu] has joined #code4lib [15:18:46] zoia | Ŧåĸŏ [15:18:47] ranti | @help common [15:18:47] zoia | ranti: (common , [, ...]) -- Returns the objects that all nicks have in common related to the given predicate. [15:18:53] zoia | New news from planetcode4lib: Corrado, Ed: Ma.gnolia data is lost || Corrado, Ed: Facebook Privacy Kerfuffle [15:19:14] jbrinley | @common interest ranti royt JodiS [15:19:15] * ecorrado wonders why zoia is announcing old blog posts of his [15:19:15] zoia | jbrinley: I don't know royt's URI. [15:19:32] jbrinley | @common interest ranti JodiS [15:19:37] fak3r | doing things outside of fedora-commons, well put post [15:19:39] zoia | jbrinley: Error: I tried to send you an empty message. [15:19:42] kgs | ecorrado that happens to me sometime... [15:19:46] royt | somethings up w/my serer [15:19:47] royt | server, even [15:19:50] jbrinley | oh, yeah, JodiS has no interests [15:20:00] jbrinley | @known royt [15:20:01] zoia | jbrinley: I don't know royt's URI [15:20:05] fak3r | that's not very interesting [15:20:20] JodiS | @knows ranti JodiS [15:20:21] kgs | predicates++ [15:20:24] zoia | JodiS: ranti and JodiS do not know each other. [15:20:51] ranti | @knows ranti JodiS [15:20:51] mjg_ | gsf snuck in w/ ninja skills. [15:20:52] pmurray | @knows pmurray zoia [15:20:54] zoia | ranti: ranti and JodiS do not know each other. [15:20:56] zoia | pmurray: pmurray does not know zoia, but zoia knows pmurray. [15:21:07] * royt reboots his server [15:21:21] ---| <<-- michaeldb [n=michaeld@CPE0012170da427-CM000a739b087e.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has quit () [15:21:23] fak3r | uptime-- [15:21:29] ranti | @known JodiS [15:21:30] zoia | ranti: JodiS's URI is [15:21:41] edsu | gsf: online [15:22:14] gsf | edsu: BillDueber's marcjson example: http://code.google.com/p/marc-json/source/browse/trunk/samples/book.json [15:23:03] ---| ---> ecorrado_ [n=ecorrado@wsip-70-164-25-68.ri.ri.cox.net] has joined #code4lib [15:23:03] ---| <<-- ecorrado [n=ecorrado@wsip-70-164-25-68.ri.ri.cox.net] has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) [15:23:06] kgs | @common interest kgs [15:23:08] zoia | kgs: , , , , , [15:24:24] jtgorman | is there some way to use the plugin to give it a dbpedia uir and find out the folks who have that interest? [15:24:56] ---| ---> michaeldb [n=michaeld@CPE0012170da427-CM000a739b087e.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #code4lib [15:25:37] jtgorman | @common interest http://dbpedia.org/resource/Brewing [15:25:39] zoia | jtgorman: Error: 'http://dbpedia.org/resource/Brewing' is not a valid nick. That nick is too long for this server. [15:25:44] pmurray | @list foaf [15:25:45] zoia | pmurray: common, foaf, forget, know, known, knows, and predicates [15:25:58] jtgorman | pmurray++ [15:26:00] pmurray | @foaf interest http://dbpedia.org/resource/Brewing [15:26:01] zoia | pmurray: I don't know interest's URI. [15:26:08] jtgorman | I suspect there's some way of doing it via predicates [15:26:13] mjg_ | @hosts2010 [15:26:14] zoia | mjg_: Asheville, NC [201]; Austin, TX [180]; Madison, WI [156]; Columbus, OH [110]; Bloomington, IN [86] [15:26:19] jtgorman | @predicates [15:26:20] zoia | jtgorman: (predicates ) -- Displays the relationships that have been asserted by the given nick about the other nick or URI. [15:26:26] ---| ---> Baroquem [n=matt@wsip-70-164-25-72.ri.ri.cox.net] has joined #code4lib [15:26:27] pmurray | jtgorman: Yeah -- you're probably right. [15:26:34] jtgorman | maybe not [15:26:37] pmurray | hmmm. [15:26:42] pmurray | @foaf [15:26:44] zoia | pmurray: (foaf ) -- Returns the objects of the given predicate in the given nick's FOAF. [15:26:46] jtgorman | @predicates zoia kgs [15:26:47] zoia | jtgorman: Relationships asserted by zoia about kgs: [15:27:10] pmurray | @predicates http://dbpedia.org/resource/Brewing * [15:27:11] zoia | pmurray: Error: 'http://dbpedia.org/resource/Brewing' is not a valid nick. That nick is too long for this server. [15:27:18] jtgorman | @predicates kgs http://dbpedia.org/resource/Brewing [15:27:20] pmurray | @predicates * http://dbpedia.org/resource/Brewing [15:27:23] zoia | jtgorman: I don't know http://dbpedia.org/resource/Brewing's URI. [15:27:25] zoia | pmurray: I didn't know *'s URI anyway. [15:27:27] ---| <<-- royt [n=tennantr@wsip-70-164-25-106.ri.ri.cox.net] has quit () [15:27:34] jtgorman | hah! [15:27:42] * jtgorman goes back to wrok [15:27:43] kgs | pmurray you scared off royt! [15:27:46] jtgorman | maybe even work [15:27:59] kgs | either that or he's off slipping into his thong before the lightning talks [15:28:01] pmurray | kgs: Happens... ;-) [15:28:04] edsu | just catching up on zotero developments, crazy shit! [15:28:12] * pmurray shudders. [15:28:13] jtgorman | edsu: ooohhh, anything cool? [15:28:30] edsu | jtgorman: ther server stuff is live apparently? [15:28:34] * pmurray shudders and tries to wipe that visualization from my mind. [15:28:35] edsu | http://www.zotero.org/bdarcus/library/item/16408 [15:28:41] pmurray | edsu: Yeah, it is. [15:28:57] jtgorman | edsu: yeah, someone mentioned that to me a little while ago and I was suprised too [15:29:03] jtgorman | edsu: maybe in December? [15:29:11] edsu | bruce is talking about embedding bibo/foaf rdfa in the server views [15:29:20] jtgorman | don't know how long it's been live. I guess for longer than I thought [15:29:36] LibraryThingT | . [15:30:43] LibraryThingT | echo echo [15:31:26] MrDys- | @karma tspalding [15:31:27] zoia | MrDys-: Karma for "tspalding" has been increased 2 times and decreased 0 times for a total karma of 2. [15:31:33] gsf | edsu: http://www.zotero.org/support/sync [15:31:34] ---| User: *** MrDys- is now known as MrDys [15:31:59] LibraryThingT | tspalding++ ? [15:32:07] LibraryThingT | Anyway, aren't I LibraryThingTim? [15:32:41] pmurray | LibraryThingTim: YOu are now but when you weren't here you were "tspalding" for purposes of Karma. [15:32:44] pmurray | @karma [15:32:45] zoia | pmurray: Highest karma: "edsu" (1062), "mjgiarlo" (1053), and "dbs" (856). Lowest karma: "iii" (-163), "sirsidynix" (-72), and "-" (-55). You (pmurray) are ranked 27 out of 8313. [15:33:00] pmurray | @karma librarything [15:33:00] zoia | pmurray: Karma for "librarything" has been increased 4 times and decreased 0 times for a total karma of 4. [15:33:05] LibraryThingT | Ah. [15:33:19] anarchivist | @karma [15:33:20] zoia | anarchivist: Highest karma: "edsu" (1062), "mjgiarlo" (1053), and "dbs" (856). Lowest karma: "iii" (-163), "sirsidynix" (-72), and "-" (-55). You (anarchivist) are ranked 10 out of 8313. [15:33:23] LibraryThingT | What sessions are people in. Anything good? [15:33:23] pmurray | librarything++ [15:33:25] pmurray | @karma librarything [15:33:26] zoia | pmurray: Karma for "librarything" has been increased 5 times and decreased 0 times for a total karma of 5. [15:33:44] pmurray | @karma iii [15:33:45] zoia | pmurray: Karma for "iii" has been increased 8 times and decreased 171 times for a total karma of -163. [15:33:47] pmurray | iii-- [15:33:50] pmurray | @karma iii [15:33:52] zoia | pmurray: Karma for "iii" has been increased 8 times and decreased 172 times for a total karma of -164. [15:34:01] LibraryThingT | Ouch. [15:34:12] mjg_ | gsf and edsu sittin' in the booth, C H A T T I N G [15:34:13] * ranti can't help but agrees with iii's karma [15:34:26] LibraryThingT | iii++ <--- it needs love! [15:34:47] LibraryThingT | @karma lunch [15:34:48] zoia | LibraryThingTim: Karma for "lunch" has been increased 21 times and decreased 0 times for a total karma of 21. [15:34:48] cbeer | LibraryThingTim: The fedora session is ok, but too technical and abstract to be interesting [15:35:16] LibraryThingT | The technical aspect here is hard for me to care about. I can read technical stuff. The gold here is the people and the ideas. [15:35:29] cbeer | LibraryThingTim: exactly [15:35:38] * ecorrado_ remembers the ays when voyager had the lowest karma [15:35:45] LibraryThingT | Who are you anyway, Mr. Beer? [15:36:09] LibraryThingT | I want an ideas4libtech conference. [15:36:19] gsf | mjg_: you just jealous [15:36:28] cbeer | Chris Beer, WGBH.. we met at c4lne [15:36:29] LibraryThingT | No technical talks. No introductory talks. [15:36:31] mjg_ | :(~~~ [15:36:36] LibraryThingT | Oh, yeah. Hello! :) [15:36:39] cbeer | ideas4libtech++ [15:36:39] ecorrado_ | LibraryThingTim: host one in Maine this summer! [15:36:46] LibraryThingT | Nobody will come to Maine. [15:36:48] LibraryThingT | Boston maybe. [15:36:59] cbeer | maine will be more beautiful [15:37:06] LibraryThingT | beer: I'm glad the LCSH data is back. You must have been worried. [15:37:08] LibraryThingT | True. [15:37:09] JodiS | zotero++ [15:37:09] ---| ---> jphipps [i=root@packard.dreamhost.com] has joined #code4lib [15:37:11] cbeer | i'd escape boston [15:37:15] edsu | maine, camping [15:37:19] LibraryThingT | I'd love to do it. [15:37:21] LibraryThingT | Lobster. [15:37:21] cbeer | I downloaded the RDF dump [15:37:24] LibraryThingT | Peaks Island. [15:37:24] ecorrado_ | LibraryThingTim: people will come to Maine before Binghamton, at least they would if they were smart [15:37:42] ---| <<-- jfereira [i=46a41923@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-d982116e86357152] has quit ("http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client") [15:37:51] LibraryThingT | ecorrado: Shake my hand or something. I love your blog work of late. [15:37:52] cbeer | but we also have been cataloging the terms too, so we were ok, just disappointed for awhile [15:38:00] ecorrado_ | LibraryThingTim: http://powerlesscamp.org/ [15:38:09] ecorrado_ | you can host it somewhere [15:38:35] edsu | btw, aliman (dcmi,skos) started a project for converting bib data to rda [15:38:42] edsu | http://code.google.com/p/code4rda/wiki/HomePage [15:38:52] LibraryThingT | I dunno. If we went into the wilderness, something terrible might happen to the OCLC people. [15:39:09] ecorrado_ | LibraryThingTim: don't host it in Georgia [15:39:15] dbs | "... in a blinding flash of insight...." [15:39:19] LibraryThingT | Bears, you know. Terrible problem up in Maine. [15:39:20] mjg_ | YOU GOT A PURTY API BOYEE [15:40:01] LibraryThingT | (shiver) [15:40:03] cbeer | edsu: would that make some of the authority data available as linked data? [15:40:18] edsu | cbeer: not sure just yet [15:40:39] edsu | looks like there's no code in there yet [15:40:58] wickr | not just maine, the #1 thread to America (bears) [15:41:22] ---| <<-- cbeer [n=chris@66.71.244.39] has quit () [15:41:23] LibraryThingT | My wife hit a bear. They probably know. [15:41:32] MrDys | omg bears. [15:43:01] abarrera | mjgiarlo's neck bear is looking at me [15:43:03] ---| <<-- mjg_ [i=46a4190c@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-052fed0caa3cf412] has quit ("http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client") [15:43:41] MrDys | that's an upgrade. 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[15:51:47] ---| User: *** highermath is now known as highermath_away [15:51:49] ---| ---> jfereira [i=46a41923@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-1a55fac5b0a0b496] has joined #code4lib [15:51:55] anarchivist | @predicates anarchivist cazzerson [15:51:56] zoia | anarchivist: Relationships asserted by anarchivist about cazzerson: [15:52:19] BigD | does predicates mean you owe me $20 [15:52:26] MikeTaylor | Quiet around here ... is it really a dialogue between anrchivist and a bot? [15:52:43] anarchivist | MikeTaylor: funny thing is i'm on a conference call too [15:53:09] ---| ---> MrDys- [i=MrDys@wsip-70-164-25-69.ri.ri.cox.net] has joined #code4lib [15:53:17] ---| ---> Baroquem [n=matt@wsip-70-164-25-72.ri.ri.cox.net] has joined #code4lib [15:53:20] abarrera | BigD: do I want to know why he owes you $20 [15:53:26] ---| ---> jphipps [i=root@packard.dreamhost.com] has joined #code4lib [15:53:32] LibraryThingT | I'm all goose-bumpy. [15:53:43] anarchivist | abarrera: everyone owes BigD $20 [15:53:59] BigD | damn skippy [15:54:13] ---| ---> mib_3k89rhty [i=46a4190c@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-e4ec885e119db19b] has joined #code4lib [15:54:18] ---| ---> liza31337 [i=root@tak.dreamhost.com] has joined #code4lib [15:54:30] dlovins | @interest dlovins [15:54:30] zoia | dlovins: cannot we speak like thoughtful adults and not drunken sailors? [15:54:47] ---| <<-- mib_9pzb7xuy [i=46a4190c@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-5e6155d34b0103c1] has quit ("http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client") [15:55:10] ejk | the internetz r better in the ballroom than in the mozart room [15:55:24] MrDys- | the internetz were better in the lounge [15:55:31] BigD | there pretty good in the bathroom too [15:55:39] ---| ---> mib_hvnwmdxm [i=46a4190c@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-2c36e12620823cdc] has joined #code4lib [15:55:50] ---| User: *** mib_hvnwmdxm is now known as mouwd [15:55:52] LibraryThingT | It's all for me grog, me noggin' noggin' grog—it's all for me beer and tabaccy! [15:56:10] pmurray | BigD: I don't think I want to know how you know that. [15:56:26] emcrens | Cause I spent all me tin... on lassies drinkin' gin [15:56:39] ---| ---> royt [n=tennantr@wsip-70-164-25-106.ri.ri.cox.net] has joined #code4lib [15:56:42] kgs | the internetz were grate til u developers came back in the room and clogged them [15:56:51] ---| <<-- dueberb [n=dueberb@waffle.umdl.umich.edu] has quit (Remote closed the connection) [15:56:54] liza31337 | I had no internet in the lounge, which bodes ill for beer + coding [15:57:07] LibraryThingT | Can you code while drinking? [15:57:10] anarchivist | liza31337: bummer [15:57:16] MikeTaylor | I have 31 slides to get through in my Lightning Talk. [15:57:20] LibraryThingT | I can photoshop, but not code. [15:57:21] ---| ---> akorphan [i=46a4190c@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-140232da7a3e41d4] has joined #code4lib [15:57:28] pmurray | @sandp eng [15:57:29] anarchivist | LibraryThingTim: it's the best way for me to code [15:57:29] liza31337 | Usually that's when I write my tests [15:58:20] zoia | pmurray: An error has occurred and has been logged. Please contact this bot's administrator for more information. [15:58:20] ejk | MikeTaylor: and a live demo, right? [15:58:20] pmurray | @dow eng [15:58:20] akorphan | ibahn_conf makes me VE-RY ANG-RY (huff, huff) [15:58:20] zoia | pmurray: An error has occurred and has been logged. Please contact this bot's administrator for more information. [15:58:20] emcrens | haha... I code better after I've been drinking... [15:58:20] pmurray | @stock aapl [15:58:20] zoia | pmurray: An error has occurred and has been logged. Please contact this bot's administrator for more information. [15:58:20] pmurray | Bah. [15:58:20] anarchivist | LibraryThingTim: that's part of the reason why i want a rugged, beerproof netbook [15:58:20] LibraryThingT | I'd have to be drunk to write tests. [15:58:20] MikeTaylor | No live demo -- it takes more than five minutes just to get the Internet connection up. [15:58:38] ejk | Dow is up 238 points for the day [15:58:41] ---| ---> cdc [i=46a4190c@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-f66ed86ced9451b0] has joined #code4lib [15:58:50] ---| <<-- gsf [i=gsf@manheim.library.drexel.edu] has quit (Nick collision from services.) [15:59:02] ---| ---> cschx [i=46a4190c@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-2040bbfcf32bb1a1] has joined #code4lib [15:59:42] ---| ---> scolford [i=46a4190c@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-c6965e24ba653d48] has joined #code4lib [15:59:46] ruest | dow-- [15:59:47] ---| ---> gsf [i=gsf@manheim.library.drexel.edu] has joined #code4lib [15:59:47] zoia | Ŧåĸŏ [15:59:56] LibraryThingT | dow++ [16:00:27] MikeTaylor | Is the running order of lightnings posted anywhere? [16:00:36] mib_3k89rhty | hurry up! [16:00:43] liza31337 | I think it would help to shout out the number of minutes remaining [16:00:44] jbrinley | MikeTaylor: no, even the presenters don't know the order [16:00:50] ---| ---> charper [i=46a4190c@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-af236a5a5188859b] has joined #code4lib [16:00:55] mib_3k89rhty | MikeTaylor: they were laying it out just a few mins ago onstage [16:01:05] ruest | drupal++ [16:01:17] MikeTaylor | Oh ... i missed that because I loaded my presentation earlier, so I went at sat down while everyone else was loading. [16:01:21] mib_3k89rhty | drupal++ #always [16:01:22] BigD | when's lunch? [16:01:23] MikeTaylor | Darn. Does anyone know when I'm on? :-) [16:01:45] ---| ---> bradw [i=46a4190c@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-0d27e3c78bee680b] has joined #code4lib [16:01:49] mib_3k89rhty | hmmm... [16:01:52] ---| ---> mjg_ [i=46a4190c@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-08a848e8a4f85b87] has joined #code4lib [16:01:54] mib_3k89rhty | louder! [16:01:55] LibraryThingT | He is not going to make it in 5 minutes. [16:01:56] wickr | what the hell? [16:01:56] abarrera | i love this one [16:01:59] ---| User: *** mib_3k89rhty is now known as fak3r [16:02:11] mjg_ | What's this dude's name? [16:02:13] edsu | that is awesome [16:02:14] andyashton | best. presentation. ever [16:02:18] ---| ---> gsf__ [i=gsf@manheim.library.drexel.edu] has joined #code4lib [16:02:24] mjg_ | I am now a fan of XC. [16:02:33] abarrera | cartoons_during_presentation++ [16:02:34] jfereira | watch out! [16:02:58] MikeTaylor | w00t! But ... what was he talking about again? [16:03:01] jtgorman | mjg_: so...there's actual details about XC? [16:03:12] wickr | jtgorman: no, just cartoons [16:03:25] ---| <<-- anarchivist [n=anarchiv@unaffiliated/anarchivist] has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) [16:03:26] ecorrado | cartoons++ [16:03:26] abarrera | you need to hear the audio on the mario one [16:03:36] fak3r | volume plss [16:03:38] jtgorman | oh, ok. [16:03:39] ---| ---> dueberb [n=dueberb@waffle.umdl.umich.edu] has joined #code4lib [16:03:47] ---| ---> papo [n=mathias@adsl-177-161-fixip.tiscali.ch] has joined #code4lib [16:03:49] fak3r | "I'm sorry mario, but our princess is in another castle" [16:04:04] ---| ---> cbarr [i=46a4190c@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-99a99259f7ad1f28] has joined #code4lib [16:04:05] ---| ---> jrochkind100 [i=46a4190c@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-89f1c8cbca6d8146] has joined #code4lib [16:04:05] BigD | this was abarrera and mjg_ last night... [16:04:08] ---| ---> ksdrake [i=46a4190c@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-f50a9d7990a347b2] has joined #code4lib [16:04:13] abarrera | BigD++ [16:04:17] ---| ---> gszxcv [i=46a4190c@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-13795c83e5b643d3] has joined #code4lib [16:04:21] jrochkind100 | why is he providing cartoons that compete for attention with his content? [16:04:21] abarrera | until you came and ate mjgiarlo [16:04:34] wickr | "volume please" sounds similar to "details/code please" [16:04:36] fak3r | jrochkind100: unsure, but it's working! [16:04:44] abarrera | bingo [16:04:45] ---| ---> sechard [i=46a4190c@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-054663b60c89b42f] has joined #code4lib [16:04:49] ---| ---> mib_jqmykb28 [i=80d27e86@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-bef53b0194ec8a2a] has joined #code4lib [16:05:01] ---| ---> anarchivist [n=anarchiv@wsip-70-164-25-84.ri.ri.cox.net] has joined #code4lib [16:05:01] jbrinley | jrochkind100: to distract from lacking content? (I don't know, I was paying attention to the cartoons) [16:05:06] JodiS | http://tinyurl.com/XCwebcast [16:05:06] mjg_ | david_lindahl++ [16:05:07] LibraryThingT | Wow. He did it. [16:05:10] scolford | wait, what was his topic? [16:05:18] abarrera | maybe he did that for his timing [16:05:22] ---| <<-- MrDys [i=MrDys@wsip-70-164-25-69.ri.ri.cox.net] has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) [16:05:28] LibraryThingT | OPACs need to have cartoons in them. [16:05:30] ---| User: *** MrDys- is now known as MrDys [16:05:31] mjg_ | note to presenters: introduce yourselves. [16:05:33] fak3r | anyone have success with Scriblio? [16:05:39] scolford | LibraryThingTim++ [16:05:39] LibraryThingT | Is Brett on? [16:05:46] fak3r | mjg_: as hans and franz? [16:05:46] jrochkind100 | See, that's what's frustrating to me, XC is actually REALLY GOOD and nobody knows it. [16:05:46] ---| <<-- anarchivist [n=anarchiv@unaffiliated/anarchivist] has quit (Client Quit) [16:05:54] mjg_ | jtgorman: tinyurl.com/XC uhhh, something. [16:05:57] jrochkind100 | And he should have been convincing us of htat, but instead he provided a cartoon to watch. HUH? [16:06:04] ---| ---> cazzerson [i=46a4190c@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-886ab1aa73e44af1] has joined #code4lib [16:06:20] JodiS | fak3r: there was a nice presentation about it at necode4lib, with an archivist who uses it [16:06:24] abarrera | http://tinyurl.com/xcwebcast [16:06:32] JodiS | jrochkind: I agree, but will watch the video [16:06:35] mjg_ | abarerra++ # jtgorman, ^ [16:06:47] fak3r | JodiS: necode4lib? [16:06:49] JodiS | jrochkind: he's actually a good speaker [16:06:50] mjg_ | JodiS++ # also. [16:06:55] abarrera | mjgiarlo-- # for misspelling my name [16:06:58] ---| ---> anarchivist [n=anarchiv@wsip-70-164-25-84.ri.ri.cox.net] has joined #code4lib [16:07:12] mjg_ | abeara [16:07:15] ---| ---> chickmarkley [i=46a4190c@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-d6a7e064f5359061] has joined #code4lib [16:07:20] scolford | fak3r: new england code4lib [16:07:22] jtgorman | abarrera++ [16:07:25] abarrera | is that Seth Rogan up there? [16:07:29] jtgorman | I'll watch later [16:07:32] fak3r | scolford: thanks [16:07:32] ---| <<-- chickmarkley [i=46a4190c@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-d6a7e064f5359061] has quit (Client Quit) [16:07:45] * mjg_ snorts [16:07:46] LibraryThingT | Haystack is great, but someone needs to make a LibraryThing for archives. [16:07:57] fak3r | haven't been able to make scriblio look like this at all... [16:08:00] ---| ---> asl2 [n=asl2@adsl-76-193-16-193.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net] has joined #code4lib [16:08:01] JodiS | Collingswood Public Library is using it. Their director is here. (But doesn't multitask, so isn't on IRC) [16:08:02] MrDys | LibraryThingTim: sounds like something you should do [16:08:09] anarchivist | oh god no [16:08:12] ---| ---> chickmarkley [i=46a4190c@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-bdeef6ad94f4dc6f] has joined #code4lib [16:08:14] anarchivist | please, please no [16:08:17] jtgorman | hire anarchivist for it ;) [16:08:19] scolford | but wouldn't that be ArchiveThing? [16:08:20] mjg_ | JodiS: Collingswood! [16:08:26] jtgorman | or...maybe not [16:08:26] JodiS | fak3r: sketchy info here: http://wiki.code4lib.org/index.php/NEC4L a local code4lib event where a bunch of us got together [16:08:35] LibraryThingT | Yeah, we've lost -Thing. HobbyThing is the newest Thing. [16:08:37] mjg_ | JodiS: not as nice as Cherry Hill but... ;) [16:08:39] JodiS | mjg: yup. My dad's house is within walking distance of that library [16:08:44] cbeer | LibraryThingTim: What would ArchiveThing do? [16:08:46] * JodiS was waiting for that one [16:08:48] fak3r | sweet pixelated text [16:08:52] liza31337 | South Jersey represent [16:08:52] gsf | mjg_: yeah, that director is brett, who i got a ride up here with [16:08:57] ---| ---> fjt [i=46a4190c@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-5fed2c84af34c249] has joined #code4lib [16:09:04] abarrera | south_jersey++ [16:09:06] mjg_ | brett++ [16:09:07] LibraryThingT | OPAC/LibraryThing Archive systems/ArchiveThing [16:09:13] mjg_ | central_jersey++ holy_wars++ [16:09:18] anarchivist | that doesn't even make sense [16:09:18] akorphan | @karma ibahn [16:09:19] zoia | akorphan: Karma for "ibahn" has been increased 0 times and decreased 1 time for a total karma of -1. [16:09:23] liza31337 | Wawa++ [16:09:26] JodiS | fak3r: http://rc98.net/necode4lib is a bit about what happened gsf++ [16:09:28] anarchivist | wawa++ [16:09:29] abarrera | Wawa++ [16:09:30] JodiS | Wawa++ [16:09:32] JodiS | :) [16:09:32] dueberb | ArchiveThing would fight alongside Mr. ArchiveFantastic [16:09:35] LibraryThingT | Oh, the Common Knowledge plug makes me happy. [16:09:38] ruest | ibahn-- [16:09:38] fak3r | css_underutilized_thus_far-- [16:09:43] khatar | definitly: we need a code4lib event in europe ! [16:09:45] JodiS | dueberb: is he related to Miss Kitty Fantastico? [16:09:49] LibraryThingT | 1,000,000 edits; I'll stop. [16:09:51] anarchivist | JodiS: no, but I am [16:09:53] JodiS | khatar: yes, please get that started! :) [16:09:58] JodiS | anarchivist++ [16:10:07] mjg_ | I guess the presentation laptop doesn't have audio? [16:10:15] edsu | @later tell danbri http://groups.google.com/group/bibliographic-ontology-specification-group/browse_thread/thread/c7c017203f3f9a95 [16:10:16] zoia | edsu: The operation succeeded. [16:10:17] JodiS | http://wordpress.org/extend/plugins/scriblio/ [16:10:23] dueberb | JodiS: "I'm so glad I have fish and not a dog." [16:10:24] LibraryThingT | casey++ [16:10:27] fak3r | nice background on last slide [16:10:33] fak3r | yeah, casey++ from me too [16:10:34] ---| ---> mib_xxmepy6r [i=46a4190c@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-8ef3396882e887e8] has joined #code4lib [16:10:38] lbjay2k | anarch "mike hog" ivist [16:10:40] edsu | the cats in office was really funny without the sound [16:10:41] khatar | JodiS, we would not be a lot :) [16:10:41] scolford | LibraryThingTim: if random house can claim Books On Tape®, you should be able to grab *Thing® [16:10:42] ---| ---> steambadger [i=46a4190c@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-b66211e7b20eb240] has joined #code4lib [16:10:49] dueberb | FAIL: The Revenge! [16:10:50] edsu | not this guy again :) [16:10:53] akorphan | lightning_cartoons?? [16:10:53] fak3r | he has far more colour in his avatar pic [16:10:58] LibraryThingT | Ha. They can? That's fucked up. [16:11:02] kgs | lightning_talks++ [16:11:02] mjg_ | anarchivist: one day, two epic fails [16:11:09] JodiS | khatar: you might be surprised. [16:11:09] ---| ---> epoz [i=46a41928@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-824a16072307ef65] has joined #code4lib [16:11:10] LibraryThingT | Move it over! [16:11:13] fak3r | mjg_: ouch [16:11:21] JodiS | khatar: necode4lib was about 20-30 people, and it was great! [16:11:21] LibraryThingT | Good. [16:11:29] fak3r | big fonts = web 3.0! [16:11:37] JodiS | enjoysthin.gs++ [16:11:38] jbrinley | = foaf:interest? [16:11:39] khatar | necode4lib ? [16:11:40] akorphan | "creative technologist". There's a job title. [16:11:43] * khatar googles [16:11:44] cbeer | necode4lib++ [16:11:51] fak3r | forget that, I use magnolia! what? oh... [16:11:55] cbeer | khatar: New England Code4Lib [16:11:58] fak3r | NO! [16:12:01] edsu | headcold4lib [16:12:07] mjg_ | fak3r++ [16:12:12] akorphan | headcrab4lib? [16:12:13] jtgorman | common_knowledge++ [16:12:31] LibraryThingT | danke [16:12:32] khatar | ne.code4lib.org ? [16:12:42] fak3r | vimeo plug, it must run python then [16:12:47] cbeer | khatar: sounds right [16:12:50] jtgorman | dbpedia++ [16:13:01] jtgorman | all those wonderful sources of data that makes me drool ;) [16:13:04] fak3r | loading things from the web during a presenation? -- [16:13:07] jtgorman | musicbrainz++ [16:13:08] liza31337 | Time to register hatesthin.gs [16:13:12] LibraryThingT | Social bookmarking for visual learners. [16:13:13] jtgorman | discogs++ [16:13:17] abarrera | opp+ # on http://enjoythin.gs homepage [16:13:20] khatar | this was in USA [16:13:21] fak3r | ha, python book, I knew it [16:13:26] LibraryThingT | Ooh, discogs. [16:13:31] jbrinley | liza31337++ [16:13:37] dueberb | A 'Visual Learner' is just someone who's too lazy to read. [16:13:42] edsu | weird seeing my table at home on the big screen [16:13:50] mjg_ | liza31337++ [16:13:51] khatar | JodiS, i said that because french librarians just decoversed computers last year [16:14:02] ---| ---> smkiewel [i=46a41963@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-fed0e51a8fd1d1d6] has joined #code4lib [16:14:06] * mjg_ can smell the beer stains on edsu's table [16:14:07] fak3r | edsu: you get used to it after awhile I'll bet [16:14:09] jtgorman | delicious++ [16:14:12] LibraryThingT | dueberb: Ha. It's someone who prefers a map to a meticulous set of directions... [16:14:13] ---| ---> kreiss [i=46a4190c@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-28a322564c31bf81] has joined #code4lib [16:14:15] khatar | so i think we would be patients with them [16:14:18] ruest | dude just pick something! [16:14:24] abarrera | mjgiarlo: for you http://ara.enjoysthin.gs/28814 [16:14:25] JodiS | khatar: you had the internet before anybody else! [16:14:26] fak3r | reload-- [16:14:33] LibraryThingT | That's fairly cool. [16:14:40] * jtgorman is one of those people who prefers maps to directions, but that comes from growing up in a family where none of the people can give directions [16:14:41] dueberb | LibraryThingTim: It's someone who believes a picture is worth 8 words. [16:14:47] fak3r | ouch [16:14:53] scolford | LibraryThingTim: indeed. check it out at the bottom of this page. http://www.booksontape.com/ [16:14:53] edsu | and they use GIT! [16:14:57] akorphan | Is it me, or is the huge mass of wall warts in the room making it hotter in here? [16:15:01] mjg_ | abeara: awesome. [16:15:14] JodiS | khatar: (I forget what it's called...) [16:15:14] abarrera | mjgiarlo-- # ass [16:15:17] khatar | JodiS, computer scientists are very active but merly alone and understood [16:15:18] jtgorman | "You turn right on the third stop light"..."I did, it was blah".."Oh, yeah. You don't want to be on that, it dumps into the Interstate." "I kinda guessed" [16:15:29] khatar | JodiS, miriades [16:15:31] BigD | abarea has a bad attitude [16:15:38] LibraryThingT | I cede to none in the love of reading, but when I do the test, I'm a visual learner. I was in a class of Classics people—half archaeologits, half philologists. It spit perfectly down the middle. Archaeologists are not stupider. [16:15:43] ---| ---> rsinger [n=rsinger@wsip-70-164-25-73.ri.ri.cox.net] has joined #code4lib [16:15:51] JodiS | khatar: French culture values authority way more than U.S. culture [16:15:53] abarrera | BigD-- [16:15:58] dhanu | ok this is going to be totally off topic. but what the heck..... any suggestions about a restaurant to try good new england lobsters within walking distance to the hotel [16:15:58] JodiS | (in my experience, at least) [16:16:13] LibraryThingT | Sure. The train to Portland is just a block away. [16:16:17] abarrera | @kharma bigd [16:16:19] zoia | abarrera: sorry, i'm busy trying to create a code4lib logo using toothpicks and wd-40 in my garage, can you get back to me? [16:16:24] abarrera | err [16:16:27] abarrera | @karma bigd [16:16:27] zoia | abarrera: Karma for "bigd" has been increased 107 times and decreased 14 times for a total karma of 93. [16:16:30] khatar | JodiS, i confirm it... and it's a shame! [16:16:32] mjg_ | dhanu: if you don't get any good responses here, could be there's an answer on the Conference_Buzz wiki page. [16:16:37] andyashton | @dhanu I'm not sure about lobster, but Federal Hill has great seafood (read: fresh oysters & Bombay martinis) [16:16:39] zoia | andyashton: you should read this new o'reilly title. i swear. http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2129/2229790410_31d3ac41dc_o.png [16:16:46] LibraryThingT | Someone Googling for that yet? [16:16:52] andyashton | dhanu I'm not sure about lobster, but Federal Hill has great seafood (read: fresh oysters & Bombay martinis) [16:16:57] JodiS | bdarcus++ (and edsu++ for pointing it out): suggesting FOAF/RDA for Zotero pages: http://groups.google.com/group/bibliographic-ontology-specification-group/browse_thread/thread/c7c017203f3f9a95?pli=1 [16:17:02] khatar | i'm very impressed by everything i seen and heard those days [16:17:11] dhanu | mjg & andy: thank, i'll look in to it [16:17:13] dlovins | edsu: my foaf fell out of the attendees page. I changed my hash to "#me", but it looks like the crawler was able to grab the new version ... Any suggestions? [16:17:15] * khatar needs a greeb card ;) [16:17:24] jtgorman | for the folks looking for seafood I'd highly recommend trying to get ahold of some stuffed quhoags if you can [16:17:24] JodiS | dhanu: http://wiki.code4lib.org/index.php/Conference_Buzz has some seafood suggestions, FWIW [16:17:26] jrochkind100 | how are you guys putting images in irc? I didn't know you could do that. [16:17:47] MrDys | jrochkind100: some clients just do it when you paste an img url [16:17:47] jtgorman | jrochkind100: I suspect you're using mibbit and it's doing that for you if the path is right... [16:17:49] lbjay2k | dlovins: maybe others need to update our links to you [16:17:52] anarchivist | jrochkind100: i'm not [16:17:52] mjg_ | jrochkind100: just links. mibbit derefs them [16:17:53] zoia | New news from planetcode4lib: del.icio.us: Automated Databases from the 18th to the 21st Centuries || del.icio.us: code4rda - Google Code || Leggott, Mark: How Silly Can We Get? || Leggott, Mark: Latest Evergreen Release Available [16:19:53] fak3r | shocker: I bookmarked http://fak3r.com on enjoythin.gs [16:20:07] fak3r | gplv2++ [16:20:11] mjg_ | ejlynema++ [16:20:27] akorphan | ematrix++ [16:20:30] abarrera | ncsu++ [16:20:30] fak3r | good presentation [16:20:49] dueberb | ejlynema++ [16:21:00] edsu | dlovins: i guess i need to fix that bug eh? [16:21:16] ecorrado | ejlynema++ [16:21:21] * lbjay2k looks up lightning talk in dictionary and sees ejlynema's [16:21:25] jtgorman | stuffed quahogs I mean [16:21:26] ---| ---> jchen [i=46a4190c@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-c5feb9d379f92789] has joined #code4lib [16:21:26] liza31337 | gopher++ [16:21:29] LibraryThingT | Lobster: Warwick is only 7 miles from here. [16:21:30] khatar | JodiS, there are some very good francophone librarians/coders for libraries [16:21:41] edsu | elm =~ data junky [16:21:46] ---| ---> atz [i=46a4190c@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-c999fc35dc719ed1] has joined #code4lib [16:21:49] anarchivist | operation_quahog++ [16:21:53] andyashton | directions to Federal Hill: http://tinyurl.com/oystersandmartinis [16:21:56] lbjay2k | LibraryThingTim: you want see food, maybe check out Horton's [16:21:58] khatar | paul poulain, nicolas morin: working at biblibre [16:21:59] fak3r | hammernail mention (shellac) [16:22:00] jtgorman | I don't know how easy they will e to get though..the best one I had were when I did a run through the various beach towns of RI and they where all crab shack type things [16:22:00] dueberb | Frankphone? I got one of those for subscribing to Sports Illustrated. [16:22:21] khatar | and olivier dive from Strasbourg University [16:22:25] anarchivist | dueberb++ [16:22:25] fak3r | code4lib_irc_chan++ [16:22:27] dlovins | edsu: Not sure it's a bug ... and you probably have other things to worry about? [16:22:31] mjg_ | elm looks quite aristotelian with the book up there. [16:22:40] edsu | dlovins: na, i should fix that now that i ave time [16:22:42] rsinger | "White Sox Fans, you just won the national championship!" [16:22:49] edsu | will need to wait for better net connection tho [16:22:56] LibraryThingT | Blogs for french LT competitors—agoradeslivres and the other one. [16:23:05] ecorrado | oysters++ [16:23:08] dueberb | How many ties are in the room other than ELM? [16:23:11] dlovins | edsu: Thanks [16:23:12] lbjay2k | LibraryThingTim: http://www.quahog.org/cuisine/index.php?id=110 [16:23:19] edsu | oh we should add librarything to the c4l attendees view [16:23:31] gsf | fak3r: looking at fak3r.com i'm now more surprised you don't know eric goldhagen [16:23:33] jbrinley | dueberb: a quick scan: 0 [16:23:45] gsf | fak3r: http://eric.openflows.com/ [16:23:47] ejk | usernamesStartingWithE++ [16:24:00] ---| User: *** mjg_ is now known as emjg_ [16:24:04] emjg_ | awesome. [16:24:05] ---| Acknowledged: You're now known as lbjay [16:24:05] fak3r | boom [16:24:10] anarchivist | ibahn++ [16:24:19] rsinger | @praise ibahn [16:24:20] zoia | ibahn is totally stuck in the present [16:24:23] ---| User: *** abarrera is now known as ebarrera [16:24:43] LibraryThingT | I'm not understandin this one. [16:24:43] LibraryThingT | Lobster: I can't get Google to map it, but Legal Seafood is at 2099 Post Rd, Warwick, RI 02886. [16:25:11] ---| User: *** emjg_ is now known as mjg_ [16:25:16] rsinger | LibraryThingTim: probably near the airport, i guess [16:25:23] LibraryThingT | Yeah, map says so. [16:25:37] LibraryThingT | Anyway, just suggesting. It may not be the best, but Legal Seafood is always high-quality. [16:25:39] fak3r | gsf: looks good, I've added him to my enjoysthin.gs account! [16:26:09] gsf | fak3r: ha, cool [16:26:16] fak3r | gsf: also looks like he'd dig one of my other sites: http://lefttochance.com/ [16:26:17] scolford | LibraryThingTim: Unless it's the one in the Prudential Mall, Boston. [16:26:18] rsinger | @ana Despite what you've been told, you are in in Warwick [16:26:20] zoia | rsinger: Peeved, witty boneheads lout [16:26:25] ruest | ibahn-- [16:26:30] LibraryThingT | Really. Sorry. [16:26:39] fak3r | ripped paper plugin [16:26:40] ---| ---> decasm [i=46a4190c@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-1c551c09ba9d7726] has joined #code4lib [16:26:50] JodiS | who is currently speaking? [16:27:00] rsinger | geoff bilder -- crossref [16:27:07] fak3r | I think his name is renaissance [16:27:10] JodiS | thanks rsinger [16:27:16] anarchivist | MY NAME IS IBAHN [16:27:19] anarchivist | I COME FROM THE FUTURE [16:27:29] mjg_ | geoff the bilder, CAN YOU MINT IT? [16:27:30] scolford | anarchivist++ [16:27:32] rsinger | I AM IBAHN [16:27:38] * rsinger stands up. [16:27:43] fak3r | I can't remember [16:27:49] ---| User: *** ebarrera is now known as abarrera [16:28:13] fak3r | foo.com - new social bookmarking site? [16:28:16] anarchivist | wir fahn fahn fahn auf der ibahn [16:28:17] ---| ---> lxming [n=liux@132-174-199-77.ip.oclc.org] has joined #code4lib [16:28:22] LibraryThingT | I'm not convinced link-rot is a big problem. [16:28:23] anarchivist | fak3r: example.com [16:28:39] ---| ---> Kerwick [i=46a4190c@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-1c391d37bef0c3a8] has joined #code4lib [16:28:47] edsu | and we should all publish in journals -- fuck the web [16:28:49] LibraryThingT | Archive.org and you're done... [16:28:50] MrDys | PSYCHOCERAMICS [16:28:58] akorphan | ADDICT INSANE [16:29:00] fak3r | LibraryThingTim++ [16:29:02] rsinger | @ana pyschoceramics [16:29:03] * anarchivist hopes to engage in some psychoceramics later [16:29:03] MrDys | akorphan++ [16:29:04] zoia | rsinger: Hey! Cosmic craps [16:29:04] gsf | @quote add < edsu> and we should all publish in journals -- fuck the web [16:29:05] zoia | gsf: The operation succeeded. Quote #1731 added. [16:29:18] liza31337 | Publishers pay a lot for DOIs [16:29:20] lbjay | zoia++ [16:29:20] jbrinley | @known jbrinley [16:29:21] zoia | jbrinley: I don't know jbrinley's URI [16:29:26] harmless | people keep conflating uri's with primary keys sometimes but not others. [16:29:35] BigD | my urls have a DNR [16:29:50] LibraryThingT | Ha. Good luck. [16:29:52] edsu | cool, author id [16:30:07] gsf | my urls are carved on the walls of caves [16:30:23] edsu | gsf++ [16:30:24] ---| User: *** pmurray is now known as pmurray_away [16:30:25] BigD | gsf++ [16:30:27] fak3r | gsf++ [16:30:30] rsinger | HTTP::Cave.py [16:30:39] jrochkind100 | wait, what did he say he didn't like about openid? [16:30:40] ecorrado | caveid [16:30:47] rsinger | Cave::URI.parse [16:30:48] anarchivist | import caveman [16:30:52] abarrera | gsf++ # but caves aren't portable [16:30:53] fak3r | scp -r cave user@backupserver:~ [16:30:55] akorphan | Good caves are persistent. [16:31:05] rsinger | hmmmmmm [16:31:08] wickr | jrochkind100: it's based on domain names/hosting [16:31:20] rsinger | @ana welcome to the dream [16:31:21] fak3r | false! [16:31:21] zoia | rsinger: Elect tame whoredom [16:31:23] ejk | Welcome to the dream [16:31:24] epoz | FYI, there is an initiative to create an academic DOI registry led by German National Science library [16:31:30] rsinger | @dunno add Welcome to the dream. [16:31:30] zoia | rsinger: Error: You must be registered to use this command. If you are already registered, you must either identify (using the identify command) or add a hostmask matching your current hostmask (using the "hostmask add" command). [16:31:35] LibraryThingT | German scientists... [16:31:57] dueberb | not_tailoring_talk_to_your_audience-- [16:31:59] * anarchivist reads a scroll of summon undead URIs [16:32:01] cschx | that's the *simplified* illustration? [16:32:01] fak3r | digital divide almost metioned [16:32:09] MrDys | anarchivist++ [16:32:09] rsinger | @dunno add Welcome to the dream. [16:32:10] zoia | rsinger: The operation succeeded. Dunno #300 added. [16:32:12] LibraryThingT | I like a little more tolerance for ambiguity in my metadata. [16:32:15] atz | regular_shpiel-- [16:32:15] atz | regular_shpiel-- [16:32:17] BigD | $19.95! But WAIT! There's More!!! [16:32:19] ---| <<-- gsf_ [i=gsf@manheim.library.drexel.edu] has quit (Nick collision from services.) [16:32:22] ---| ---> gsf_ [i=gsf@manheim.library.drexel.edu] has joined #code4lib [16:32:26] fak3r | "ask your doctor if ProQuest is right for you" [16:32:32] rsinger | HOW MANY PLATFORMS CAN I SIGN YOU UP FOR TODAY? [16:32:34] ejk | You may know me from such presentations as [16:32:34] wickr | summonWow! [16:32:34] LibraryThingT | Yeah. Summon is a good idea. This talk is too pat. [16:32:40] liza31337 | fak3r++ [16:32:43] dueberb | "Enter summon". There's no nouns in that sentence. [16:32:50] ---| ---> gbilder [i=46a4190c@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-026f19acadba5023] has joined #code4lib [16:32:51] JodiS | fak3r++ [16:32:53] rsinger | WAIT, DON'T ANSWER YET. WHAT IF I ALSO SAID I'D GIVE YOU A JANGLE FOR FREE? [16:32:53] BigD | side effects include... [16:32:54] ---| <<-- jfereira [i=46a41923@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-1a55fac5b0a0b496] has quit ("http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client") [16:32:54] anarchivist | crickets? [16:32:57] rsinger | STILL INTERESTED? [16:32:58] mjg_ | gbilder++ [16:32:58] ecorrado | nouns-- [16:32:58] JodiS | what's his name? [16:32:59] scolford | fak3r++ [16:33:01] ---| ---> flyingzumwalt [i=46a4190c@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-65f74ab311c3a409] has joined #code4lib [16:33:02] jbrinley | rsinger: less than I was [16:33:03] atz | I summon an Orc Warlord to pummel your ass. [16:33:03] LibraryThingT | John Law. [16:33:04] atz | I summon an Orc Warlord to pummel your ass. [16:33:13] abarrera | if your search takes longer than four hours, please call 911 [16:33:13] anarchivist | rsinger: do i need to summon a dongle to get a jangle? [16:33:14] JodiS | epoz: good to know. Got a URL? [16:33:23] fak3r | "Google - search your site" [16:33:25] akorphan | Is this a sales pitch? [16:33:25] * anarchivist gives BigD a jangle [16:33:25] rsinger | John Q. Law [16:33:26] ---| ---> jfereira [i=46a41923@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-f211b89ed0abf4ee] has joined #code4lib [16:33:34] rsinger | akorphan: indeed [16:33:34] jbrinley | akorphan: yes [16:33:34] anarchivist | is that royt? [16:33:36] liza31337 | This is why I only give talks to people who don't know how to use irc [16:33:38] BigD | ha! [16:33:41] LibraryThingT | As with the XC thing, Summon is actually a great idea, if expensive. But the style here is grating. [16:33:41] ---| User: *** dueberb is now known as BillDueber [16:33:41] dhanu | is this a GPL product? [16:33:45] JodiS | "no waiting" = short enough. No = 0. Sorry, sales dept. [16:33:48] lbjay | liza31337++ [16:33:49] akorphan | Ooh, someone shout that question out! [16:33:50] rsinger | akorphan: didn't you mention a guatemalan restaurant yesterday? [16:33:56] anarchivist | liza31337++ [16:33:57] JodiS | Summon sound great. But he doesn't know our style, alas [16:33:58] jrochkind100 | obviously the crossref people should provide an openid redirector at their domain. Cause doi resolution is based on a domain too, it's just that hte domain is doi.org/crossref.org [16:33:59] akorphan | rsinger: indeed. Got a car? [16:34:07] steambadger | abarrera++ [16:34:08] rsinger | akorphan: oh, FAIL [16:34:10] mouwd | I'm pretty sure I heard this exact talk in the webcast. [16:34:13] atz | a good *commercial* project. [16:34:14] atz | a good *commercial* project. [16:34:14] fak3r | see, they use a keyhole in the logo, they 'unlock yr data' [16:34:15] ecorrado | it is GPL: Great Pile of Loot [16:34:15] JodiS | rsinger; there's a great Cuban place within walking distance [16:34:15] LibraryThingT | I think a few swear-words would save it. [16:34:16] * rsinger sighs. [16:34:18] * BigD does not give anarchivist a dongle [16:34:21] ---| ---> wtd [n=chatzill@wsip-70-164-25-78.ri.ri.cox.net] has joined #code4lib [16:34:23] JodiS | atz: you're doubled again [16:34:23] BigD | lmnop [16:34:30] lbjay | i thought he said "John Locke" and Summon was going to be a new Dharma station [16:34:30] cschx | are you getting this, camera guy? [16:34:33] ---| ---> Cicer0 [i=46a4190c@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-22694773733871cc] has joined #code4lib [16:34:35] * flyingzumwal has fled to the channel in response to this sales pitch [16:34:36] anarchivist | did he say it implements crotchrot? [16:34:36] akorphan | rsinger: find a friend with a car and set your gps for 1049 Atwells Ave [16:34:37] gsf | the list goes on and on [16:34:37] fak3r | chatting_getting_fast_furious++ [16:34:37] paulalbert | crotchref? [16:34:40] steambadger | If ANYBODY can search our holdings, how will we know who's worthy? [16:34:41] mjg_ | lbjay++ [16:34:42] abarrera | lbjay++ [16:34:42] jrochkind100 | the actual user-interface layer WILL be open source, and replaceable by whatever you want using their APIs. [16:34:46] edsu | gsf: heheh [16:34:46] fak3r | *crickets* [16:34:51] andyashton | rsinger: there is a Guatemalan place out on Atwells Ave, but you'd need a car [16:34:56] atz | .... a search engine? what a great idea! [16:34:56] atz | .... a search engine? what a great idea! [16:35:03] scolford | reading-- [16:35:04] jrochkind100 | But if anyone can figure out a way to aggregate all this metadata from hundreds of publishers and normalize it and such and provide it for free -- then please do and then let me use it. :) [16:35:08] atz | why didn't we think of that before? [16:35:09] ---| <--- gsf__ [i=gsf@manheim.library.drexel.edu] has left #code4lib () [16:35:09] epoz | Jodis: hunting for a URL [16:35:10] LibraryThingT | The interface will be open source? Really? [16:35:11] BillDueber | atz: you're doubling [16:35:11] BillDueber | atz: you're doubling [16:35:11] fak3r | really looks like a tv commercial for a new medicine [16:35:12] JodiS | epoz++ [16:35:22] scolford | i mean reading_from_script-- [16:35:24] JodiS | Name of this salesperson? [16:35:28] ecorrado | purple_pill-- [16:35:32] edsu | we will summon dark spirits from the underworld [16:35:35] LibraryThingT | Yeah. this is a hard problem. It's hard because of deep deep dysfunction in the publishing and libray world. But it's hard. So it's worth money. [16:35:36] fak3r | "What am I goind to do with 50 subscriptions to Vibe?" [16:35:39] jrochkind100 | LibraryThingTim: That's what John Law told me on the phone, yeah. And Andrew next to me just confirmed. The interface software will be open source. It will talk via API to their underlying index, which will not be open access or open source. [16:35:47] LibraryThingT | Cool. [16:35:47] MrDys | drat. [16:35:48] fak3r | RT "What am I going to do with 50 subscriptions to Vibe?" [16:35:48] MrDys | http://dysinterested.com/summon.png [16:35:54] gbilder | Yes, but doi.org is *one* piece that can be easily searched/replaced should s*** hit fan. Problem arrises if you have many, many such things to change. [16:35:54] jrochkind100 | You'd think he would have known to highlight that fact presenting at code4lib. [16:36:03] anarchivist | MrDys++ [16:36:03] JodiS | MrDys++ [16:36:24] chickmarkley | catchy [16:36:24] andyashton | remeberingToTurnOffIMBeforeMyTalk++ [16:36:25] lbjay | MrDys++ [16:36:27] kgs | jrochkind100 this is John's first c4l. He's a quite wonderful person and if he doesn't get up there and be all hairy, well, so what. [16:36:30] mjg_ | MrDys++ [16:36:35] LibraryThingT | MrDys: Ouch. [16:36:37] scolford | did he say "internet willie"? [16:36:38] anarchivist | erikhatcher++ [16:36:39] liza31337 | Hey I'm running Nutch right now [16:36:42] LibraryThingT | Did you make that just now? [16:36:43] anarchivist | MrDys: just enjoyed that [16:36:45] wickr | MrDys++ [16:36:51] jrochkind100 | at least he didn't show us a cartoon. I don't need cutesey geekiness, I just need good presentation. [16:36:56] MrDys | LibraryThingTim: world class photoshopper right here [16:37:10] ejk | MrDys++ [16:37:11] BillDueber | "quite periodically" [16:37:14] anarchivist | "creamy milk-java doclet" [16:37:14] LibraryThingT | kgs: I agree. But what is this for if not snark. [16:37:17] fak3r | * * * * * /bin/do_something! [16:37:17] ---| <--- cschx [i=46a4190c@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-2040bbfcf32bb1a1] has left #code4lib () [16:37:18] gsf | erikhatcher lives for the search [16:37:20] abarrera | MrDys++ [16:37:23] mib_xxmepy6r | anyone with better eyes able to read that URL? [16:37:27] akorphan | mrdys++ # did you just throw that together? [16:37:34] paulalbert | http://www.lucidimagination.com/search/ [16:37:36] jrochkind100 | www.lucidimagination.com [16:37:37] akorphan | lucidimagination.com/search [16:37:38] BillDueber | http://lucidimagination.com/search [16:37:47] fak3r | this is facet-nating [16:37:48] jtgorman | wait, are lightning talks still going on ? [16:37:49] mib_xxmepy6r | kthnksbai [16:37:49] wickr | jbrinley++ [16:37:50] mjg_ | jbrinley++ [16:37:58] ---| <<-- atz [i=46a4190c@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-c999fc35dc719ed1] has quit ("http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client") [16:38:02] abarrera | shammmmwow [16:38:04] epoz | http://www.tib-hannover.de/en/the-tib/doi-registration-agency/ [16:38:10] mjg_ | jtgorman: yup, just started 50m ago [16:38:11] gsf | fak3r++ facetinating [16:38:19] BigD | abarrera: thanks for keeping up [16:38:20] rsinger | ok, thanks akorphan and andyashton [16:38:26] jrochkind100 | bess? You here? Can we do that in blacklight? [16:38:29] fak3r | shammmmmwow kills me [16:38:31] rsinger | guess that will have to wait until there's some wheels [16:38:45] * BillDueber is gonna have to do multiselect for vufind now. Dammit. [16:38:46] akorphan | Shamwow dude is hocking something else these days, but I forget what. [16:38:48] anarchivist | i have to admit [16:38:52] anarchivist | i really want a shamwow [16:38:53] anarchivist | r 8 [16:38:56] fak3r | though you could do multi facets with solr before? I've seen it done... [16:38:57] anarchivist | s/r/or [16:39:06] paulalbert | akorphan: slapchop [16:39:15] * charper fell asleep under a shamwow, almost dehydrated. [16:39:18] fak3r | anarchivist: "hey camerman, keepin' up there?" [16:39:28] akorphan | paulalbert: Oh, right! [16:39:29] jtgorman | anarchivist: ditto..it's a good thing they're not sold in stores, cause I would probably by one [16:39:30] abarrera | BigD: sorry that i'm as slow as you are, when it is your time to pick up the check [16:39:38] LibraryThingT | Dumb question: If Solr can't do it, can't you get down to the Lucene level? [16:39:39] fak3r | "refined taste in spellchecking" [16:39:43] wickr | you guys, it's "you follow me camera guy?" [16:39:44] liza31337 | I don't understand 'eventually open-source.' I start all my OS projects from scratch in the open. [16:39:45] akorphan | So what's the exciting thing about lucidfind? i missed it. [16:39:46] anarchivist | abarrera++ # ucsd pays for everything [16:39:51] jtgorman | anarchivist: I mean, I'd buy one on impulse [16:39:53] anarchivist | liza31337++ [16:39:53] JodiS | who's presenting about lucidfind? [16:39:54] BigD | abarrera: where are you taking me to dinner? [16:40:05] akorphan | Uh, a guy with glasses. [16:40:06] anarchivist | JodiS: erikhatcher [16:40:06] fak3r | bookmark overload [16:40:10] edsu | opensearch++ [16:40:10] jbrinley | akorphan: most of these docs aren't indexed/searchable anywhere else [16:40:12] rsinger | liza31337: me too [16:40:15] abarrera | BigD: dumpster behind the hotel, eat all you want, [16:40:16] JodiS | anarchivist: I've never seen him with glasses [16:40:19] liza31337 | 'guy with glasses' really narrows it down [16:40:22] mjg_ | liza31337++ [16:40:23] akorphan | jbrinley: thanks [16:40:23] rsinger | liza31337: warts_from_the_start++ [16:40:27] edsu | the glasses == cool [16:40:29] fak3r | "He probably misses his old glasses" [16:40:29] gsf | LibraryThingTim: yes, if you're willing to dig into solr [16:40:32] * anarchivist like's erik's new glasses [16:40:36] mib_xxmepy6r | pro tip... avoid the food court in the mall! [16:40:39] akorphan | turtles_all_the_way_down++ [16:40:41] JodiS | edsu: kinda looked like anarchivist from afar [16:40:45] * jtgorman checks the schedule and sees the lightning talks were later than he thought [16:40:55] anarchivist | mib_xxmepy6r: nordstrom cafe is alright [16:41:00] ---| ---> jstroop [i=46a4190c@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-5dcf67e825116e35] has joined #code4lib [16:41:01] * gsf sheds a tear for lucy [16:41:06] akorphan | mib_xxmepy6r: you didn't go to Surf N Turf, did you? [16:41:11] LibraryThingT | People are really got at keping this under 5 mins. [16:41:13] gsf | lucy: so much promise, so going nowhere [16:41:15] BillDueber | JodiS: I'm pretty sure you just insulted at least one of them. [16:41:17] anarchivist | baby_conferences++ [16:41:18] rsinger | akorphan: lucidimagination is like a support company for lucene/solr [16:41:27] ejk | bacon++ [16:41:27] akorphan | bacon++ [16:41:28] fak3r | inside joke time [16:41:28] abarrera | mmmmmm [16:41:34] BigD | mike! [16:41:39] JodiS | BillDueber: alas, I am rude. though not by choice. [16:41:40] LibraryThingT | Can we avoid the term "metasearch." [16:41:41] mjg_ | presenters: say yer dang names [16:41:45] * abarrera bets a $20 BigD licks the screen [16:41:45] ---| <<-- Cicer0 [i=46a4190c@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-22694773733871cc] has quit ("http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client") [16:41:48] JodiS | hey, there's our bacon of the day [16:41:53] anarchivist | metasearchical graffiti [16:41:53] LibraryThingT | It's not metasearch. [16:41:58] ecorrado | about time someone put bacon up on the screen [16:41:59] mjg_ | heavy metalsearch. \m/ [16:42:17] fak3r | capitalist [16:42:20] anarchivist | ecorrado: doesn't compare to taping bacon to a cat [16:42:30] fak3r | bacon knows ham... [16:42:33] ecorrado | anarchivist: true [16:42:39] rsinger | anarchivist: why have i never thought to do this? [16:42:54] LibraryThingT | Awesome. [16:42:59] ---| ---> Cicer0 [i=46a4190c@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-4944518fb06dd5ac] has joined #code4lib [16:43:01] emcrens | Just awesome. [16:43:01] anarchivist | rsinger: because you come from the theatah! [16:43:02] fak3r | that won't scale* [16:43:09] mjg_ | HUNGRY [16:43:13] BillDueber | Think about "Don't Panic" in big red letters [16:43:13] LibraryThingT | Wonderful website. [16:43:15] ---| ---> erikhatcher [n=erik@wsip-70-164-25-61.ri.ri.cox.net] has joined #code4lib [16:43:18] paulalbert | hiss!!! [16:43:18] ejk | thisiswhyyourefat.com++ [16:43:22] LibraryThingT | Good. Humor is good. [16:43:23] JodiS | Content + humor FTW [16:43:28] BigD | abarrera just rushed the screeb [16:43:29] anarchivist | thisiswhyyourefat.com++ [16:43:30] ecorrado | reminds me of the greese trucks on college ave [16:43:40] * jtgorman tries to pretend he's in the audience, but fails [16:43:41] abarrera | grease_trucks++ [16:43:42] liza31337 | zed++ [16:43:47] mjg_ | grease_trucks++ [16:43:48] edsu | MikeTaylor++ [16:43:48] akorphan | mjg_ didn't have a big enough sandwich at lunch. [16:43:49] anarchivist | http://thisiswhyyourefat.com/post/78824397/the-mcnuggetini-a-mcdonalds-chocolate-milkshake [16:43:53] JodiS | @ana refined taste in spellchecking [16:43:55] zoia | JodiS: Fleeting, dance-like sphincters [16:43:59] anarchivist | zoia-- [16:43:59] ---| <<-- ruest [i=46a4190c@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-0d44824f64aa6e08] has quit ("http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client") [16:44:01] ---| ---> mpark [i=46a4190c@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-2357dd0e881d9115] has joined #code4lib [16:44:07] JodiS | zoia's gotten good at the anagram [16:44:13] scolford | thisiswhyyourefat.com++ [16:44:16] fak3r | tab space wonky [16:44:17] rsinger | y'know -- why reinvent YAML? [16:44:22] liza31337 | See, spaces over tabs [16:44:31] JodiS | what is this 1=1016? [16:44:32] fak3r | thisiswhyyourcolumsarefat.com [16:44:37] jfereira | MikeTaylor++ [16:44:37] JodiS | fak3r++ [16:44:40] mjg_ | Ford Torus [16:44:42] fak3r | it's tArus [16:44:42] rsinger | JodiS: THAT IS YR PQN [16:44:43] JodiS | MikeTaylor++ [16:44:45] liza31337 | fak3r++ [16:44:51] ecorrado | space++ [16:45:05] rsinger | JodiS: SURCHIN YR RPN ZED TARGETS [16:45:18] jbrinley | drupal+food tonight, right? [16:45:23] dbs | IN SOVIET RUSSIA, THE NOTATION REVERSES YOU [16:45:24] rsinger | @kgs Those are Bib-1 Attributes [16:45:24] zoia | rsinger: nosrsly, Those are Bib-1 Attributes [16:45:26] * anarchivist should have talked about NYPLES [16:45:32] fak3r | jbrinley++ [16:45:35] jtgorman | `dbs: I thought that was poland [16:45:46] ecorrado | IN SOCIET RUSSIA, BACON EATS YOU [16:45:46] abarrera | http://thisiswhyyourefat.com/post/81130102/chicken-fried-bacon-with-gravy-submitted-by [16:45:52] jfereira | drupal+food, where? [16:45:53] fak3r | in soviet russia, talks lighting you [16:46:17] MrDys | lightning talk cheat [16:46:19] fak3r | cheating-- [16:46:19] andyashton | wait a minute...this is cheating! [16:46:20] LibraryThingT | A new method! [16:46:21] BillDueber | Oooo. Chained Lightening Talks [16:46:24] mib_xxmepy6r | i can haz metasearchin'? [16:46:28] fak3r | lets all walk out in protest [16:46:28] jbrinley | drupal+food: lobby at 18:00? [16:46:32] andyashton | BillDueber++ [16:46:33] liza31337 | FOUR MINUTES [16:46:35] LibraryThingT | How many employees does LibraryThing have here? Hmm..... [16:46:36] MrDys | @whatis chain lightning [16:46:38] fak3r | OO.org ftw [16:46:39] edsu | index_data++ # gaming the system [16:46:39] zoia | MrDys: ' lastAlbum: \'\' Prime Time\'\'
(1977); released: 1978; abstract: All trracks composed by Don McLean; except where indicated "Words and Music" "Crying" (Roy Orbison, Joe Melson) "It\'s Just the Sun" "Lotta Lovin\'" "Chain Lightning" "Your Cheatin\' Heart" "Wonderful Night" "It Doesn\'t Matter Anymore" "Since I Don\'t Have You" "Genesis " "It\'s a Beautiful (2 more messages) [16:46:40] JodiS | PDF talks recommended [16:46:46] cbarr | Does anyone know how much a ticket for Tokyo Police Club show is? [16:46:48] steambadger | Tag team lightening talks [16:46:51] anarchivist | pdf++ [16:46:54] fak3r | cbarr: 9.95$ [16:46:57] akorphan | resolution_mismatch-- [16:47:00] andyashton | Cue Jeopardy theme [16:47:01] LibraryThingT | I'm going to do two, one in an English accent. [16:47:07] dbs | STEAL INDEXDATA'S CODE TO PUNISH THEM! [16:47:14] ejk | I'm up for drupal+food. [16:47:20] fak3r | I'm still up for rawk show - not sure how late it'll be though 2 opening bands [16:47:21] JodiS | LibraryThingTim: only if you come up with a costume so we can't tell you're the same person both times [16:47:38] fak3r | ejk: drupal with food module installed has been approved [16:47:41] jbrinley | JodiS: he just needs glasses/no glasses [16:47:41] LibraryThingT | If I wear a dress, Code4Lib owes me an extra minute. [16:47:41] mib_xxmepy6r | where is tokyo police playing? [16:47:48] BillDueber | jbrinley++ [16:47:49] anarchivist | mib_xxmepy6r: lupos [16:47:50] JodiS | jbrinley: good thought [16:47:52] abarrera | LibraryThingTim: I suggest a darth vader costume with an OCLC t-shirt on [16:47:54] ---| ---> bess [i=46a4190c@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-43db0ac1cc91dbd6] has joined #code4lib [16:48:01] lbjay | this is bogus. i'm going to go hang with gsf's gf. [16:48:02] BillDueber | LibraryThingTim: If you wear a dress, you'll have no audience [16:48:07] jrochkind100 | that torus thing is neat. [16:48:08] zoia | New news from planetcode4lib: Chudnov, Dan: code4lib 2009 talk on caching and proxying linked data [16:48:09] rsinger | LibraryThingTim: if you wear a dress, you get 5 minutes in a dress [16:48:09] JodiS | real tori! :) [16:48:10] fak3r | mib_xxmepy6r: lupo's, it's about 3/4 of the way to trinity brew [16:48:17] jrochkind100 | what's the business model for this? How do I use it? [16:48:19] royt | anyone catch this guy's name? [16:48:19] JodiS | so what are these tori? [16:48:21] scolford | LibraryThingTim: I get to do your makeup. [16:48:26] anarchivist | JodiS: donuts [16:48:30] fak3r | royt: hans? [16:48:32] LibraryThingT | It's too bad this isn't about fusion toruses. [16:48:32] akorphan | bagels [16:48:33] dlovins | Inner tubes [16:48:39] liza31337 | Last time I was at Lupo's was like 10+ years ago [16:48:39] royt | fak3r: thks [16:48:42] jfereira | inner tubers [16:48:48] JodiS | anarchivist: no, what ARE they (I know what a torus is... bacon donuts notwithstanding) [16:48:52] akorphan | Liza31337: It's at the Strand now. [16:48:55] lbjay | 3. Donuts [16:48:58] fak3r | liza31337: think it's a late show? [16:48:59] akorphan | The old building was condemned or something. [16:49:12] jstroop | nyc.code4lib-ers, is there a plan for this evening? [16:49:13] LibraryThingT | Anyone know the best bookstores in town? Independent or used. [16:49:16] anarchivist | JodiS: they represent search targets [16:49:17] rsinger | lbjay: i think that was valid ruby you just typed [16:49:18] liza31337 | I can believe that [16:49:22] rsinger | 3.donuts.eated [16:49:24] bess | anyone else feeling overwhelmed by all this? I already had a pretty heavy workload, now I have a notebook full of new technologies to learn, people to write to, stuff to try. I guess it's a good problem to have, but damn I need a glass of wine. [16:49:28] BillDueber | JodiS: As near as I can tell, name=value pairs with individual values overridable [16:49:30] MrDys | LibraryThingTim: I think there's a couple on the googlemap that's linked on the conf buzz wiki page [16:49:30] gbilder | Cellar stories is good used bookstore. [16:49:33] * lbjay adds ruby to resume [16:49:34] mib_xxmepy6r | Lupo's Heartbreak Hotel www.lupos.com 79 Washington St [16:49:37] fak3r | bess: yes, bring back some cartoons [16:49:39] akorphan | LibraryThingTim: Cellar Stories, downcity [16:49:46] akorphan | or, kind of downcity. [16:49:47] fak3r | power_puff_girls++ [16:49:49] JodiS | BillDueber ok, that fits with the 1=2078 thing from before which I didn't get [16:49:58] rsinger | APIs SUCK! [16:49:59] harmless | FYI we're opensourcing this [16:50:00] anarchivist | z39.50++ [16:50:02] jtgorman | bess: i'm always feeling behind on the tehcnology curve ;) [16:50:05] anarchivist | harmless++ [16:50:08] anarchivist | indexdata++ [16:50:10] ---| ---> atz [i=46a4190c@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-af3d54b8ce4d35ff] has joined #code4lib [16:50:16] MrDys | zed39.50++ [16:50:19] BillDueber | @karma z39.50 [16:50:20] zoia | BillDueber: Karma for "z39.50" has been increased 3 times and decreased 4 times for a total karma of -1. [16:50:28] anarchivist | @canuck z39.50 [16:50:30] fak3r | "My husband, some hotshot, here's his ancient Chinese secret!" [16:50:30] zoia | anarchivist: zed39.50, eh? [16:50:31] mjg_ | bess++ # wine. [16:50:36] steambadger | I want my search data wrapped in a ten-dimensional torus. [16:50:37] harmless | And that was skoczko [16:50:43] fak3r | lead with the positive! [16:50:44] anarchivist | YES [16:50:45] lbjay | yes! [16:50:45] fak3r | ;) [16:50:46] akorphan | bad_idea++ [16:50:46] scolford | mbklein++ [16:50:48] LibraryThingT | LibraryThing Local page is all libraries. Need more bookstores. (http://www.librarything.com/local/place/Providence,%20RI) [16:50:48] rsinger | THIS IS ON [16:50:51] abarrera | mbklein++ [16:50:52] JodiS | who was the second index data speaker, following Mike Taylor? [16:50:52] akorphan | HI MOM! [16:50:54] ejk | ruh-roh [16:50:56] fak3r | hello? can you see me now? [16:50:56] BillDueber | Bad Idea Jeans [16:50:57] bess | mbklein++ [16:50:59] BigD | DONKEY KONG! [16:51:00] lbjay | what could go wrong? [16:51:04] fak3r | *smiles* [16:51:06] abarrera | dongle [16:51:13] LibraryThingT | Why is this onscreen? [16:51:14] ecorrado | nothing can go wrong [16:51:20] edsu | @tardis yesterday [16:51:20] ---| ---> eom [i=46a4190c@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-bfb657cc721f303c] has joined #code4lib [16:51:21] zoia | edsu: When Do Make Met Say Think? [16:51:22] LibraryThingT | RDF irritates me [16:51:24] wickr | LibraryThingTim: they're going to show the plugin [16:51:26] steambadger | It's all perfectly simple [16:51:29] harmless | JodiS: Jakub Skoczen [16:51:31] edsu | LibraryThingTim: you irritate me [16:51:32] ecorrado | @karma blank_sceen [16:51:33] zoia | ecorrado: blank_sceen has neutral karma. [16:51:35] fak3r | realm mentioned [16:51:36] JodiS | harmless++ [16:51:38] JodiS | tap-tap-tap... is this thing on? [16:51:49] anarchivist | michaeldb++ #thanks for emailing BT [16:51:53] fak3r | contrast setting bad? [16:51:55] michaeldb | no problem [16:51:59] akorphan | you may be talking about the same verb, but are you using that token to represent the same action? [16:52:04] LibraryThingT | :arrow to heart [16:52:07] fak3r | "what could go wrong?" [16:52:07] akorphan | fail++ [16:52:08] BillDueber | Supreme > Epic? [16:52:14] michaeldb | anarchivist++ # thanks for thanking me? :) [16:52:14] wtd | IRC FAIL. [16:52:14] edsu | LibraryThingTim: nothing personal ;-) [16:52:15] fak3r | YHF [16:52:15] ecorrado | the irc gods know this is a bad idea [16:52:17] BigD | anarchivist should be giving this talk too [16:52:22] anarchivist | BigD++ [16:52:28] scolford | smile and show your legs mbklein! [16:52:28] abarrera | computer switch < IBAHN [16:52:29] fak3r | can you see ok from the back? [16:52:29] akorphan | I blame ibahn [16:52:29] steambadger | Everybody log off as soon as they get the projector up. [16:52:32] ejk | Should have used a mac [16:52:33] rsinger | edsu: I find you a major asshole [16:52:33] zoia | /me does warmup exercises [16:52:36] rsinger | edsu: nothing personal [16:52:39] jrochkind100 | he warned us it was a bad idea. [16:52:44] fak3r | :) [16:52:45] edsu | rsinger: no argument [16:52:46] anarchivist | oclc: monetizing #code4lib since 2006 [16:52:48] mjg_ | royt to the rescue [16:52:51] BigD | he set low expectations [16:52:57] BigD | and met them [16:53:01] BillDueber | royt springs -- springs I tell you! -- into action [16:53:02] rsinger | edsu: also you dont know shit about the work of steve perry [16:53:03] akorphan | AUGH! [16:53:04] mib_xxmepy6r | IN SOVIET RUSSIA LIGHTNING TALK IS ON IRC CHANNEL [16:53:04] abarrera | Foaf = BigD's dinner [16:53:04] ecorrado | hi kat3 [16:53:06] fak3r | sliced foaf++ [16:53:07] rsinger | oops [16:53:08] anarchivist | STEVE PERRY [16:53:10] fak3r | :) [16:53:12] mjg_ | FONT UP. [16:53:13] royt | zoia say "Hi" [16:53:14] zoia | royt: Error: You must be registered to use this command. If you are already registered, you must either identify (using the identify command) or add a hostmask matching your current hostmask (using the "hostmask add" command). [16:53:15] LibraryThingT | Hey mom. [16:53:15] emcrens | Can I just say this is the first time I've been on TV? [16:53:16] akorphan | If you can read this, you're sitting too close. [16:53:18] wtd | Hi Mom! [16:53:23] JodiS | akorphan++ [16:53:23] ---| ---> ksclarke [i=46a4190c@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-68333f8751333ad1] has joined #code4lib [16:53:25] mikeybe | im going to disneyland!!! [16:53:27] anarchivist | u can't multitouch this [16:53:34] JodiS | @knows mbklein jbrinley [16:53:35] zoia | JodiS: I don't know jbrinley's URI [16:53:36] wickr | akorphan: I'm in the back though [16:53:36] fak3r | hey, I'm on tv! [16:53:39] BigD | what's for dinner? [16:53:39] scolford | mbklein nose jbrimley [16:53:40] akorphan | I can see my house from here! [16:53:41] mjg_ | mbklein: putting the FAIL in FOAF since 2009. [16:53:45] JodiS | @known [16:53:45] erikhatcher | jbrinley++ [16:53:46] zoia JodiS: I know URIs for the following users: Baroquem, BigD, BillDueber, JodiS, MrDys, abarrera, akorphan, anarchivist, bess, cazzerson, cbeer, charper, ejk, escowles, fak3r, flighty, gsf, kgs, ksclarke, lbjay, mbklein, mjg_, pmurray, ranti, royt, rsinger, scolford, wickr, wtd, zoia [16:53:47] fak3r | bots++ [16:53:50] atz | now i don't have to ask if my posts are doubling up [16:53:51] * JodiS waves to zoia [16:53:51] ---| User: *** ksclarke is now known as Guest3540 [16:53:51] abarrera | @insult zoia [16:53:52] royt | @pirate [sing [randtune]] [16:53:53] zoia | zoia: You are nothing but a weather-bitten assload of inept snake. [16:53:53] paulalbert | If you can read me on the screen, you have bionic vision. [16:53:53] ---| ---> asnagy [i=46a4190c@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-64738200f520c24e] has joined #code4lib [16:53:55] akorphan | @karma zoia [16:53:56] zoia | akorphan: Karma for "zoia" has been increased 538 times and decreased 153 times for a total karma of 385. [16:53:57] zoia | royt: No lyrics fer We will never happen it Out by Saturday Looks jolly to Me. Searched lyricwiki & lyricsty [16:54:03] ---| User: *** Guest3540 is now known as _ksclarke [16:54:04] * zoia waves [16:54:06] fak3r | can you hear me know? [16:54:06] steambadger | Is this thing on? [16:54:09] zoia | i am updating my foaf profile right now!!!! [16:54:14] ---| ---> mib_bynnpmgz [i=46a4190c@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-b6bd5ac7625c87b9] has joined #code4lib [16:54:15] JodiS | zoia++ [16:54:17] BigD | snarky comment [16:54:18] lbjay | jbrinley++ mbklein++ [16:54:21] LibraryThingT | Right. 1/6 of people. [16:54:22] mjg_ | @sing steve perry : Oh Shery [16:54:22] JodiS | @know mbklein zoia [16:54:23] zoia | JodiS: Error: 'zoia' is not a valid url. [16:54:24] royt | @know http://jbrinley.xplus3.net/id/ [16:54:25] zoia | isn't mbklein dreamy???? [16:54:26] zoia | mjg_: No lyrics for Oh Shery by steve perry. Searched lyricwiki & lyricsty [16:54:26] steambadger | Hey, see that little green spot up there? That's me! [16:54:28] zoia | royt: royt's URI is now [16:54:28] fak3r | steve perry-- [16:54:30] abarrera | they know each other in the biblical sense [16:54:30] MikeTaylor | If anyone wants to download the Torus presentation, you can get it from http://www.miketaylor.org.uk/tmp/torus.ppt [16:54:31] mjg_ | @sing steve perry : Oh Sherrie [16:54:32] ---| <<-- phase_bb [n=phase_bb@m6e5e36d0.tmodns.net] has quit ("used jmIrc") [16:54:33] zoia | Oh I must've been a dreamer (a dreamer, oh) / And I must've been someone else (someone else) / And we should've been over (by now) / Oh Sherrie, our love [16:54:34] JodiS | @knows mbklein zoia [16:54:35] wtd | @knows wtd edsu [16:54:35] zoia | wtd: I don't know edsu's URI [16:54:36] zoia | JodiS: mbklein does not know zoia, but zoia knows mbklein. [16:54:38] fak3r | I odn't g [16:54:39] scolford | @known scolford zoia [16:54:40] zoia | scolford: (known []) -- Returns the URI associated with the given nick. Defaults to the calling user. If no nick given, returns a list of nicks which have an associated URI. [16:54:41] mjg_ | @knows mbklein mjg_ [16:54:42] zoia | mjg_: mbklein and mjg_ know each other. [16:54:45] royt | @knows royt mbklein [16:54:47] zoia | royt: royt and mbklein know each other. [16:54:48] zoia | everyone shut up for a second [16:54:49] gsf | jbrinley: can you font up? [16:54:56] rsinger | @foaf mbklein interests [16:54:57] zoia | rsinger: mbklein : [16:55:02] ---| ---> Timmcgeary [i=46a4190c@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-65b8e2bcd97581d8] has joined #code4lib [16:55:02] mjg_ | @know soup for mbklein [16:55:03] zoia | mjg_: Error: 'for' is not a valid url. [16:55:03] fak3r | bigger font ftw [16:55:05] ---| ---> mib_f91rqxja [i=46a41974@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-39933732b628b5d3] has joined #code4lib [16:55:10] ---| ---> gam [i=46a4190c@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-3cae15dd5a07078e] has joined #code4lib [16:55:12] gsf | @foaf interests mbklein [16:55:13] akorphan | @no zoia bad bot no cookie [16:55:13] zoia | gsf: I don't know interests's URI. [16:55:14] royt | @forget royt [16:55:14] zoia | akorphan: shut up and read your ngc4lib [16:55:16] BigD | @known [16:55:16] zoia | royt: OK, I've forgotten royt's URI [16:55:16] abarrera | @knows code4lib roythong [16:55:17] rsinger | @foaf mbklein interest [16:55:17] smkiewel | @know http://www.unyeildingloyalty.com/shawn/foaf.rdf#me [16:55:17] zoia BigD: I know URIs for the following users: Baroquem, BigD, BillDueber, JodiS, MrDys, abarrera, akorphan, anarchivist, bess, cazzerson, cbeer, charper, ejk, escowles, fak3r, flighty, gsf, kgs, ksclarke, lbjay, mbklein, mjg_, pmurray, ranti, rsinger, scolford, wickr, wtd, zoia [16:55:17] lbjay | @wordstats font [16:55:19] zoia | abarrera: I don't know code4lib's URI [16:55:20] zoia | smkiewel: smkiewel's URI is now [16:55:20] zoia | rsinger: mbklein : , , , , , , , , , (1 more message) [16:55:21] paulalbert | OPTION-COMMAND-EQUALS (zoom function) [16:55:22] royt | @known [16:55:23] zoia | lbjay: Top 3 "font"ers (out of a total of 6 "font"s seen): JodiS: 3, gsf: 2, and lbjay: 1. [16:55:24] fak3r | why am I watching the screen up there? [16:55:25] zoia royt: I know URIs for the following users: Baroquem, BigD, BillDueber, JodiS, MrDys, abarrera, akorphan, anarchivist, bess, cazzerson, cbeer, charper, ejk, escowles, fak3r, flighty, gsf, kgs, ksclarke, lbjay, mbklein, mjg_, pmurray, ranti, rsinger, scolford, smkiewel, wickr, wtd, zoia [16:55:25] MikeTaylor | This stupid zoia person keeps chipping in all the time and ruining the demo. [16:55:29] skoczko | @known [16:55:29] zoia skoczko: I know URIs for the following users: Baroquem, BigD, BillDueber, JodiS, MrDys, abarrera, akorphan, anarchivist, bess, cazzerson, cbeer, charper, ejk, escowles, fak3r, flighty, gsf, kgs, ksclarke, lbjay, mbklein, mjg_, pmurray, ranti, rsinger, scolford, smkiewel, wickr, wtd, zoia [16:55:31] akorphan | dark_blue_on_black-- [16:55:31] royt | @known mbklein [16:55:32] rsinger | ASTRONOMY?! What a nerd [16:55:33] zoia | royt: mbklein's URI is [16:55:34] mjg_ | GOOD GOD I'M DROWNING IN FOAF [16:55:35] fak3r | @known fak3r [16:55:36] zoia | fak3r: fak3r's URI is [16:55:39] anarchivist | hyper-meta-meta-cokebottle-i [16:55:40] cbeer | dark_blue_on_black-- [16:55:41] royt | @foaf knows mbklein [16:55:41] zoia | royt: (foaf knows ) -- Determines if the two given nicks know each other based on their registered FOAFs. [16:55:46] lbjay | "Help, I'm trapped in a tiny IRC channel" [16:55:48] fak3r | #foaf interests fak3r [16:55:50] royt | @foaf interest mbklein [16:55:51] zoia | royt: I don't know interest's URI. [16:55:51] dlovins | @known dlovins [16:55:52] BigD | @foaf interests [16:55:53] zoia | dlovins: I don't know dlovins's URI [16:55:54] zoia | BigD: (foaf ) -- Returns the objects of the given predicate in the given nick's FOAF. [16:55:58] wtd | This isn't geeky enough. I thought this conference was about geekery. [16:56:00] royt | @foaf mbklein interest [16:56:01] zoia | royt: mbklein : , , , , , , , , , (1 more message) [16:56:09] mib_xxmepy6r | <--- never knew zoia was a bot... just assumed she was very knowledgable [16:56:10] fak3r | #foaf fak3r interest [16:56:11] BigD | foe of a foe file [16:56:12] mjg_ | Foafbusters! [16:56:15] Timmcgeary | hey I'm using this on my iTouch!!!! [16:56:16] LibraryThingT | Hey, I've represented human relationships in a binary way! [16:56:16] lbjay | bye [16:56:18] mjg_ | BigD++ [16:56:18] liza31337 | Say all the snarky things in blue font [16:56:22] akorphan | big_screen_irc++ [16:56:24] ---| ---> jstirnaman [i=46a4190c@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-e5cbb73a18f2872a] has joined #code4lib [16:56:26] ---| <<-- mib_bynnpmgz [i=46a4190c@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-b6bd5ac7625c87b9] has quit (Client Quit) [16:56:26] fak3r | I ain't afraid of no foaf! [16:56:30] abarrera | @insult foaf [16:56:31] mib_f91rqxja | @foaf common escowles BigD [16:56:31] anarchivist | when i think about youtube iTouch myself [16:56:33] zoia | foaf: You are nothing but a warped coagulation of elf-skinned assholes. [16:56:34] zoia | mib_f91rqxja: Error: I tried to send you an empty message. [16:56:35] ---| <--- gam [i=46a4190c@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-3cae15dd5a07078e] has left #code4lib () [16:56:37] ---| User: *** mib_f91rqxja is now known as escowles [16:56:38] steambadger | Are they gone? [16:56:38] mjg_ | @sing Meatfoaf [16:56:40] fak3r | anarchivist++ [16:56:40] zoia | mjg_: No songs found by Meatfoaf [16:56:43] zoia | royt: you're smarter about foaf than you look [16:56:44] akorphan | @karma dark_blue_on_black [16:56:45] zoia | akorphan: Karma for "dark_blue_on_black" has been increased 0 times and decreased 3 times for a total karma of -3. [16:56:51] ---| ---> mib_bynnpmgz [i=46a4190c@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-5fcbe77e58ce882c] has joined #code4lib [16:56:55] fak3r | that's false [16:56:57] jstroop | @know http://anearalone.com/foaf.rdf#me [16:56:58] zoia | jstroop: jstroop's URI is now [16:56:58] lbjay | royt: you got salted! [16:56:58] mjg_ | royt: burn. [16:57:01] LibraryThingT | snort [16:57:05] mib_xxmepy6r | @sing tom waits [16:57:06] BillDueber | STD: Unfortunate acronym [16:57:09] zoia | He has no friends / His lawn is dying / And what are those packages he sends? / What's he building in there? [16:57:15] edsu | damn, i didn't know the STG still existed [16:57:15] jbrinley | royt: sorry, you'll have to fix your uri [16:57:33] anarchivist | bibliophile! [16:57:37] asnagy | @know http://andrew.webitecture.org/foaf.rdf#me [16:57:37] zoia | asnagy: asnagy's URI is now [16:57:38] gsf | i'm impressed that @mf didn't show up during that demo [16:57:38] liza31337 | @know http://threepress.org/static/foaf.rdf#me [16:57:39] zoia | liza31337: liza31337's URI is now [16:57:42] ---| <<-- erikhatcher [n=erik@wsip-70-164-25-61.ri.ri.cox.net] has quit () [16:57:44] LibraryThingT | bibulous. [16:57:45] dbs | gsf++ [16:57:50] jphipps | @know http://managemetadata/jon/foaf.rdf#me [16:57:50] zoia | jphipps: jphipps's URI is now [16:57:50] ---| <<-- mib_bynnpmgz [i=46a4190c@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-5fcbe77e58ce882c] has quit (Client Quit) [16:57:51] mjg_ | gsf++ # forgot :( [16:57:53] abarrera | BigD @eat meatloaf [16:57:54] dlovins | Who's speaking now? [16:57:54] ---| ---> godmar [i=46a4190c@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-b33fa56e2f3f40ac] has joined #code4lib [16:57:54] ---| ---> mib_eme7me5h [i=46a41956@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-f77395c451c00490] has joined #code4lib [16:58:03] akorphan | Some guy with facial hair. [16:58:04] ---| ---> cliff_ [n=cliff@lib-staff900.Princeton.EDU] has joined #code4lib [16:58:07] fak3r | dlovins: eric from brown [16:58:07] ecorrado | @know http://ecorrado.us/foaf.rdf#me [16:58:08] zoia | ecorrado: ecorrado's URI is now [16:58:09] kgs | @lolz [wunder pvd] [16:58:10] ---| ---> mbklein [i=46a4190c@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-d8e0dd3bdb6a0ae0] has joined #code4lib [16:58:11] cbeer | @karma xforms [16:58:11] zoia | cbeer: Karma for "xforms" has been increased 2 times and decreased 0 times for a total karma of 2. [16:58:12] BillDueber | dlovins: andyashton [16:58:12] zoia | kgs: TEH CURRENT TEMPERACHUR IN PROVIDENCE, RHODE ISLAND IZ 33.8°F (4:51 PM EST ON FEBRUARY 24, 2009). CONDISHUNS: PARTLY CLOUDY. HUMIDITY: 34%. DEW POINT: 8.6°F. WINDCHILL: 24.8°F. PRESURE: 30.21 IN 1023 HPA (RISIN). [16:58:15] mjg_ | andyashton I believe his name is? [16:58:18] rsinger | @sing journey : who's cryin' now [16:58:21] zoia | Love will survive somehow, some way / One love feeds the fire / One heart burns desire / I wonder who's crying now [16:58:22] * mbklein sighs [16:58:26] dlovins | BillDueber: Thanks. [16:58:31] mpark | Andy Ashton [16:58:34] dbs | mbklein+_ [16:58:38] dbs | err, mbklein++ [16:58:39] JodiS | mpark++ [16:58:41] lbjay | demos_on_localhost++ [16:58:43] rsinger | edsu: couldn't you just hear the neil schon all over that?! [16:58:47] jbrinley | sorry for the problems, everyone. It would have been much bigger if my computer worked. [16:58:49] fak3r | anyone know the guys nick? [16:58:49] scolford | mbklein: I was expecting a patter song. [16:58:53] atz | @knoa http://arwen.metavore.com/~atz/foaf.rdf [16:58:55] zoia | atz: Is that some kind of lame attempt at witty banter? Whatevs. [16:58:55] ---| <<-- Timmcgeary [i=46a4190c@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-65b8e2bcd97581d8] has quit (Client Quit) [16:58:56] ecorrado | book give away coming up! [16:58:58] mjg_ | http://lackoftalent.org/michael/linkeddata.html [16:59:00] fak3r | tell him to open the mibbit tab! [16:59:01] lbjay | @insult jbrinley's computer [16:59:01] zoia | jbrinley's computer: You are nothing but a low-quality accumulation of evil hair. [16:59:02] BigD | mpark-- for leaving me at the airport [16:59:03] rsinger | andyashton: ping [16:59:03] BigD | ;) [16:59:05] mib_xxmepy6r | @sing rick astley [16:59:05] atz | @know http://arwen.metavore.com/~atz/foaf.rdf [16:59:06] zoia | atz: atz's URI is now [16:59:07] rsinger | no growl [16:59:09] zoia | It's much to late for you to change your ways / I can't keep holding on expecting you to stay / When you're all alone and if you're feeling down / I'll be, I'll be around [16:59:12] LibraryThingT | np. interesting idea, even if I disagree with FOAF. [16:59:15] anarchivist | mjg_++ [16:59:15] jbrinley | @ana accumulation of evil hair [16:59:15] fak3r | BigD++ [16:59:16] zoia | jbrinley: Humiliate laconic favour [16:59:19] akorphan | ecorrado: my %$@%!#% foaf still won't foaf. [16:59:22] akorphan | I blame cazzerson. [16:59:28] mpark | airport++ [16:59:32] jbrinley | @known royt [16:59:32] zoia | jbrinley: I don't know royt's URI [16:59:35] ecorrado | @insult royt's font [16:59:36] zoia | royt's font: You are nothing but a swag-bellied petrification of squishy eel. [16:59:41] anarchivist | @known anarchivist [16:59:42] zoia | anarchivist: anarchivist's URI is [16:59:45] abarrera | mjg_++ [16:59:48] dlovins | @know http://www.library.yale.edu/~dlovins/foaf.rdf#me [16:59:48] MrDys | @known MrDys [16:59:48] zoia | dlovins: dlovins's URI is now [16:59:50] zoia | MrDys: MrDys's URI is [16:59:50] atz | @foaf atz interests [16:59:50] BigD | mpark: where's dinner? [16:59:51] zoia | atz: atz : [16:59:57] MrDys | @foaf MrDys interests [16:59:58] zoia | MrDys: MrDys : [17:00:07] fak3r | no api? ok, let's not see it! [17:00:09] MrDys | I have interests, dammit [17:00:10] anarchivist | @foaf anarchivist interests [17:00:12] zoia | anarchivist: anarchivist : [17:00:14] mpark | BigD: dunno I only live here [17:00:14] kgs | @lolz [known] [17:00:20] zoia kgs: I KNOE URIS 4 DA FOLLOWIN USERS: BAROQUEM, BIGD, BILLDUEBR, JODIS, MRDYS, ABARRERA, AKORFAN, ANARCHIVIST, ASNAGY, ATZ, BES, CAZZERSON, CBER, CHARPR, DLOVINS, ECORRADO, EJK, ESCOWLEZ, FAK3R, FLIGHTY, GSF, JFIPPS, JSTROOP, KGS, KSCLARKE, LBJAY, LIZA31337, MBKLEIN, MJG_, PMURRAY, RANTI, RSINGR, SCOLFORD, SMKIEWEL, WICKR, WTD, ZOIA [17:00:25] ---| <<-- MikeTaylor [i=46a4190c@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-6633ebaca1a238fb] has quit ("http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client") [17:00:30] mjg_ | @sing Steve Perry : Foolish Heart [17:00:30] escowles | @known zoia [17:00:30] zoia | escowles: zoia's URI is [17:00:32] fak3r | one two, buckle my shoe [17:00:34] zoia | But will my lonely heart play the part / Of the fool again / Before I begin / Foolish heart, hear me calling [17:00:34] ---| <<-- jbrinley [i=46a4190c@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-fcfb3eab1bc50571] has quit ("http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client") [17:00:41] anarchivist | @lolz [pirate [jive [zen]] [17:00:41] ---| <<-- godmar [i=46a4190c@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-b33fa56e2f3f40ac] has quit (Client Quit) [17:00:41] zoia | anarchivist: Error: Missing "]". You may want to quote your arguments with double quotes in order to prevent extra brackets from being evaluated as nested commands. [17:00:44] anarchivist | @lolz [pirate [jive [zen]]] [17:00:50] jrochkind100 | That FOAF plugin for zoia is a fun toy I guess, but is it actually useful for ANYTHING? [17:00:53] zoia | Seung Sahn: DE WAN HOO PRAISEZ YA BE DIEF. WUT IT BE, MAMA! DE WAN HOO CRITICIZEZ YA BE YO TRUE HOMEY. [17:00:56] akorphan | rickroll++ [17:00:58] lbjay | that++ [17:00:59] harmless | i'm a newb here, is this channel and bot persistent? [17:00:59] abarrera | apa-- [17:01:00] mbklein | @knows mbklein anarchivist [17:01:00] fak3r | what was this talk about?' [17:01:02] zoia | mbklein: mbklein knows anarchivist, but anarchivist does not know mbklein. [17:01:02] rsinger | dchud++ [17:01:06] LibraryThingT | Nice. [17:01:06] abarrera | harmless: yes [17:01:09] anarchivist | @lolz [pirate [jive [zen]]] [17:01:12] fak3r | harmless: yes [17:01:12] mjg_ | jrochkind100: lernin' [17:01:12] mbklein | @knows zoia mbklein [17:01:14] zoia | Shunryu Suzuki: DE MOST IMPOTANT POINT BE 2 ACCEPT YOSELF N STAND ON YO PAIR FEET. [17:01:15] MrDys | @knows MrDys anarchivist [17:01:16] jrochkind100 | harmless: Somebody may be logging it, but no one is guaranteed to log it. [17:01:16] zoia | mbklein: zoia knows mbklein, but mbklein does not know zoia. [17:01:17] zoia | MrDys: MrDys does not know anarchivist, but anarchivist knows MrDys. [17:01:18] harmless | abarrera: cool. i might visit. [17:01:20] jtgorman | harmless: relentless in the least [17:01:22] fak3r | harmless: it's not just for breakfast anymore [17:01:24] mbklein | @knows zoia gsf [17:01:24] kgs | I thought zoia was a real person when I was new to this channel [17:01:25] BigD | harmless: yep - persistently obnoxious [17:01:25] akorphan | fak3r: automatic importing and dumping of citations and stuff, I think [17:01:26] zoia | mbklein: zoia knows gsf, but gsf does not know zoia. [17:01:37] gsf | gotta change that [17:01:40] mbklein @common interest anarchivist mbklein lbjay [17:01:41] jtgorman | s/in/at/ [17:01:41] zoia | mbklein: [17:01:46] scolford | kgs: are you sure she's not? [17:01:47] fak3r | color'd tabs in safari? "the goggles, they do nothing!" [17:01:48] jtgorman | kgs: she fools a lot of people [17:01:50] mjg_ | mbklein++ [17:01:51] ejk | rainbow tabs [17:01:56] ---| ---> erikhatcher [n=erik@wsip-70-164-25-61.ri.ri.cox.net] has joined #code4lib [17:01:57] MrDys | color coded tabs, neat [17:01:58] jtgorman | kgs: and her ana are scary at times [17:02:00] JodiS | does NO ONE introduce themselves? [17:02:01] fak3r | biger [17:02:01] LibraryThingT | I thought it was Zola. Alas. [17:02:01] akorphan | cane_toad++ [17:02:02] anarchivist | @common interest anarchivist cazzerson [17:02:04] zoia | anarchivist: [17:02:10] anarchivist | JodiS: naomi dushay, stanford [17:02:10] rsinger | because she's smarter and more mature than most of us [17:02:13] mbklein | anarchivist: See? It's a party planning tool! [17:02:17] LibraryThingT | Oh, that's a great book! [17:02:17] fak3r | little_bear++ [17:02:21] fak3r | bad_results-- [17:02:21] mbklein | @predicates mbklein mjg_ [17:02:22] zoia | mbklein: Relationships asserted by mbklein about mjg_: , [17:02:24] wickr | fak3r: that's Firefox isn't it? [17:02:25] LibraryThingT | little_bear++ [17:02:25] JodiS | "assault with a deadly donut" [17:02:26] atz | deadly_donut++ [17:02:33] fak3r | I think they've been trolled [17:02:37] mib_eme7me5h | mmm donuts [17:02:41] JodiS | thanks anarchivist! :) ndushay++ [17:02:41] MrDys | @band add Deadly Donut [17:02:41] zoia | MrDys: Band 'Deadly Donut' added to list [17:02:59] mjg_ | Lessons from today: 1. Say your name. 2. Font up like crazy. [17:03:00] fak3r | wickr: I think yr right, ABP and all...just safari skin [17:03:06] abarrera | deadly_donut++ # precisely how i'll kill BigD [17:03:06] LibraryThingT | Similar items is all about quantity of data. [17:03:09] MrDys | @band [17:03:10] zoia | MrDys: Five Llamas Live [17:03:11] mjg_ | 3. Don't let mornos have iPhones. [17:03:12] mbklein | @dunno add Font up! [17:03:13] zoia | mbklein: Error: You must be registered to use this command. If you are already registered, you must either identify (using the identify command) or add a hostmask matching your current hostmask (using the "hostmask add" command). [17:03:15] BigD | mjg_ 3. Profit [17:03:20] LibraryThingT | Why nameless? [17:03:29] fak3r | 4. say iphones are so 2008 - pass it on [17:03:30] akorphan | librarythingtim: I think she means "unnamed" [17:03:34] gsf | mbklein: wait, i have http://rc98.net/zoia#me in my foaf [17:03:35] mbklein | @dunno add Font up! [17:03:36] zoia | mbklein: The operation succeeded. Dunno #301 added. [17:03:37] akorphan | as in "to avoid embarrasment" [17:03:43] LibraryThingT | It could be because if said, they appear. [17:03:48] BigD | abarrera: i think ninja donuts are already attacking yer heart [17:03:51] abarrera | blackberries are so 1999 [17:03:52] mbklein | @known zoia [17:03:52] zoia | mbklein: zoia's URI is [17:03:56] wtd | No-one ever names vendors. I think we should. [17:03:57] fak3r | "hi, I'm mumble,mumble...." [17:03:57] mjg_ | @aussie foods in australia [17:03:58] zoia | mjg_: SHRIMP ON THE BARBIE, MATES! [17:03:58] mbklein | gsf: Wrong URI [17:04:06] gsf | mbklein: ah, ok thx mbklein++ [17:04:09] rsinger | and getting them to say xinyDisriS is so hard [17:04:12] akorphan | Ok, who is this person? [17:04:19] fak3r | slow_performance!++ [17:04:19] LibraryThingT | Libraries sometimes behave as if the vendors are paying *them*. [17:04:22] mib_xxmepy6r | looks nice... [17:04:26] anarchivist | akorphan: naomi dushay, stanford university [17:04:30] akorphan | thanks [17:04:31] atz | call number browse.... actually *easier* to do across all libraries than on just one [17:04:38] mbklein | gsf: 'cause you know zoia will never let you hear the end of it if you deny her. [17:04:38] fak3r | as long as the code is slow, that's my main requirement. [17:04:43] abarrera | BigD: they would be ninja bacon donuts with bbq sauce, cheese and jalopenos [17:04:56] LibraryThingT | If a library is going to do call-number browse across libraries, there's no reason to do it in your own call-number system. [17:04:56] gsf | @knows zoia gsf [17:04:56] anarchivist | abarrera: ninja bacon donut nachos [17:04:58] zoia | gsf: zoia and gsf know each other. [17:05:02] fak3r | no_consistancy--- [17:05:04] mbklein | gsf++ [17:05:07] BigD | nudibranches [17:05:15] fak3r | rated PG-13? [17:05:25] jtgorman | atz: uuhhh [17:05:30] mib_xxmepy6r | http://searchworks-test.stanford.edu/vufind/ [17:05:32] LibraryThingT | "Too much kissing?" <--- real quote from Little Bear, and perhaps Henry Miller. [17:05:34] fak3r | let's see, looks bad, slow code - job well done! [17:05:38] mjg_ | Would have been nice to be able to read that. [17:05:41] lbjay | @knows zoia lbjay [17:05:43] zoia | lbjay: zoia knows lbjay, but lbjay does not know zoia. [17:05:49] jtgorman | atz: did I miss something? Call number browse is easier over multiple libraries? Are we assuming that they all use the same call number system? [17:05:57] fak3r | what does this developer get paid to do? [17:06:05] LibraryThingT | But waht's wrong with that? [17:06:09] mjg_ | Cheney is still a staunch supporter of donutboarding. [17:06:13] LibraryThingT | Is the prblem the software or the cataloging? [17:06:16] liza31337 | Uh [17:06:19] andyashton | mmmm. Donutboarding [17:06:21] jtgorman | we use about three or four ourselves [17:06:27] cazzerson | twitter.com:"You have been rate limited. Enhance your calm." [17:06:29] fak3r | they want irrelevant results more than anything apparently... [17:06:31] atz | jtgorman: no, it's easy to do exactly what she did and get.... correct but useless results [17:06:32] abarrera | donutboarding++ [17:06:43] jtgorman | atz: I'm not there ;) [17:06:44] fak3r | I liked how the search failed. [17:06:53] rsinger | Enhanced cholesterol techniques [17:06:54] LibraryThingT | I hate the idea that there's no serendipity without slicing books by call numbers. [17:06:55] fak3r | how little is it? [17:06:58] fak3r | mike! [17:07:01] mjg_ | mikeybe++ [17:07:02] anarchivist | mikeybe++ [17:07:03] gsf | mikeybe: the mike wahlberg of the library tech world [17:07:06] fak3r | he needs a foaf so we know his name [17:07:12] ---| ---> dcloutman [i=dcloutma@homer.dreamhost.com] has joined #code4lib [17:07:14] liza31337 | Does only Paul Smith go there? [17:07:16] fak3r | sounds personal [17:07:22] mjg_ | liza31337++ [17:07:23] anarchivist | liza31337: he used to [17:07:24] mbklein | @known mikeybe [17:07:25] zoia | mbklein: I don't know mikeybe's URI [17:07:26] JodiS | Naomi Dushay's test catalog: http://searchworks-test.stanford.edu/vufind/ [17:07:28] fak3r | I never got in trouble in college* [17:07:34] atz | yeah, it's such a pathetic claim "no the *callnumber* provides serendipity and structure! pls don't take the callnumber!" [17:07:46] * akorphan would like to see Naomi's call number extraction/sort routine [17:07:48] mib_xxmepy6r | mostly foresty... in adaronicks [17:07:49] ---| <<-- jstroop [i=46a4190c@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-5dcf67e825116e35] has quit ("http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client") [17:07:55] jtgorman | the issue I've had when doing things via call number here is often people are using it as an attempt to collocate...so either you're forced to try to chose one system to map the others too or you just have to display ordering broken up by different systems. but people are then confused/frustrated why they're in different systems [17:07:55] JodiS | atz: call numbers DO have something to do with serendipitous browsing in PRINT [17:07:57] mjg_ | BOOM, what up now, ContentDM? [17:07:59] jtgorman | :P [17:08:03] bess | akorphan: she's committing it to solrmarc, but it isn't there yet [17:08:04] fak3r | is it paulssmith, paul's smiths? the smiths? [17:08:07] MrDys | people love that page turning shit [17:08:15] liza31337 | Rarr page turning UIs [17:08:18] ---| ---> jstroop [i=46a4190c@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-a97f8267e17ebc63] has joined #code4lib [17:08:19] anarchivist | @quote add < mjg_> BOOM, what up now, ContentDM? [17:08:20] fak3r | MrDys: I know, we're pushed to doing it at BHL [17:08:20] zoia | anarchivist: The operation succeeded. Quote #1732 added. [17:08:22] steambadger | Paul Smith has his own college? [17:08:24] akorphan | bess: thanks [17:08:25] BillDueber | akorphan: I've got code I've been working on this morning, actually. Big messy regexp [17:08:28] fak3r | don't jump! [17:08:34] asl2 | I browse by call number online sometimes [17:08:35] ecorrado | call # sorting is easy if the call #'s are normlilzes [17:08:36] fak3r | gigapan, anyone? [17:08:36] LibraryThingT | But call numbers were hardly designed for serendipity! If that's what you want, you could design a better system. [17:08:37] abarrera | i do...microsoft an amazingly expensive piece of amazingly crappy software [17:08:43] mjg_ | BEAR! [17:08:49] anarchivist | what [17:08:52] LibraryThingT | Awesome. [17:08:54] mib_xxmepy6r | http://www.paulsmiths.edu/ [17:08:57] jtgorman | of course, some areas have their own call number variations...which are marked as being Dewey which leads to...oddities [17:08:57] fak3r | http://gigapan.org/index.php [17:08:57] ---| ---> jbrinley [i=46a4190c@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-f5ef10901afac131] has joined #code4lib [17:08:58] gsf | downloading that image is why the internet has been slow [17:08:59] mpark | there's my contact lense [17:09:05] ---| <<-- cdc [i=46a4190c@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-f66ed86ced9451b0] has quit ("http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client") [17:09:06] paulalbert | furverts! [17:09:10] * anarchivist can see for miles and miles [17:09:10] mbklein | mjg_: You know you've reached a sad place when you're talking smack to digital asset management software. [17:09:12] akorphan | BillDueber: The big challenge, besides bad cataloging, is the padding issue, I think. [17:09:12] JodiS | fak3r: http://www.paulsmiths.edu/ [17:09:17] mjg_ | I hope no one ever zooms in on my high school yearbook photo. [17:09:18] * ecorrado sorted lots o voyager call #'s in his life with no isue [17:09:22] fak3r | can I do that w/my cannon 1.3M cam? [17:09:24] atz | JodiS: yeah, but it's weird to latch onto callnumbers when there are so many other reasonable browse avenues available [17:09:27] rsinger | WHAT ARE THE OPENURLS FOR THIS, THOUGH? [17:09:30] LibraryThingT | What's that site that has the books like that—a big image you can zoom around on. [17:09:33] fak3r | JodiS: great [17:09:38] mjg_ | mbklein: that's how Paul Smith rolls [17:09:39] rsinger | FOR GOD'S SAKES WHAT WOULD THE HERBERT SAY?! [17:09:41] cbeer | deep zoom: silverlight based? [17:09:42] jtgorman | so our issues is a combination of historical legacy, how librarians have been trained/think about collocating, and how the users try to grapple with stuff [17:09:44] fak3r | micro++ [17:09:48] ecorrado | microfiche++ [17:09:49] anarchivist | microfiche++ [17:09:55] mbklein | cbeer: aye [17:09:56] BigD | seadragon = microfiche! [17:09:56] akorphan | I call it how I see it. [17:09:58] fak3r | cbeer: assume it's silverlight - they have a linux/firefox plugin btw [17:09:59] ecorrado | microsoftfiche [17:10:01] BillDueber | akorphan: Come find me and provide some feedback. I'm about 10 ft from rot [17:10:05] mbklein | akorphan++ [17:10:07] BillDueber | s/rot/royt/ [17:10:08] fak3r | I wasn't up late last night drinking or anything* [17:10:13] jtgorman | ecorrado: well, most of the issues isn't technical...or at least not when I've had issues [17:10:20] akorphan | Which one's royt? [17:10:23] dbs | cooliris is another visual browser thing [17:10:25] jrochkind100 | what tool is this he's showing us? [17:10:25] bess | fak3r: yes, it's silverlight. he was sitting next to me and I could see. [17:10:29] mbklein | @known royt [17:10:29] zoia | mbklein: I don't know royt's URI [17:10:33] mjg_ | mikeybe++ # Paul Smith's seven students are clamoring for this. [17:10:34] mbklein | @known jbrinley [17:10:34] zoia | mbklein: I don't know jbrinley's URI [17:10:35] fak3r | "how many to go boxes did you wnt?" [17:10:36] scolford | cooliris++ [17:10:37] anarchivist | photosynth++ [17:10:44] jrochkind100 | silverlight, is what he's showing us? [17:10:45] jtgorman | the winner is "Why are those call numbers at the top/bottom and marked call number type of unknown?" [17:10:47] fak3r | bigger! [17:10:52] LibraryThingT | If you zoom in, you get Obama at Notre Dame. [17:10:55] jtgorman | uh...well...that's what the catalog record says [17:10:58] BillDueber | akorphan: lemme try again. I'm two tables in front of the podium. I'm the really, really good looking one. [17:10:59] mbklein | jbrinley: @know yerself back in there, man. [17:11:00] * jtgorman shrugs [17:11:02] mjg_ | photosynth++ [17:11:02] MrDys | very very nice [17:11:03] LibraryThingT | NIce. [17:11:05] atz | sexy_interface++ [17:11:06] scolford | this is like book fetish porn [17:11:07] abarrera | ooooh ahhhh [17:11:14] fak3r | this is cool, but useful for... [17:11:15] abarrera | scolford++ [17:11:18] liza31337 | slave labor++ [17:11:20] atz | google "stacks view" [17:11:26] Kerwick | if you could take the books off the shelf and read them... [17:11:31] * jtgorman hopes this one makes it to the recording [17:11:32] gsf | i stand by my wahlberg comment [17:11:32] jrochkind100 | visualized browse IS useful. [17:11:34] mbklein | scolford: what's next? bibliofanfiction? [17:11:37] BillDueber | mikeybe++ that was awesome [17:11:37] fak3r | what's that bookstore that looks like that? [17:11:48] akorphan | billdueber: uhh... other distinguishing features? [17:11:54] fak3r | what if someone checks out a book? they have to refoto the whole library? damn! [17:11:58] scolford | mbklein: serials slash [17:11:58] mjg_ | mikeybe++ # nice one. [17:12:10] abarrera | mikeybe++ [17:12:15] fak3r | "Welcome to the internet my friend, how can I help you?" [17:12:19] mbklein | scolford++ [17:12:22] anarchivist | put that in your bag and smoke it [17:12:27] fak3r | simple css, I approve [17:12:29] BillDueber | akorphan: I'm going to stand up in 5 [17:12:30] BillDueber | 4 [17:12:31] BillDueber | 3 [17:12:32] BillDueber | 2 [17:12:33] BillDueber | 1 [17:12:37] akorphan | gotchan [17:12:38] erikhatcher | mikeybe++ [17:12:38] fak3r | dchud ftw [17:12:39] gsf | fak3r: you would obviously need a multiple-webcam feed [17:12:42] jbrinley | fak3r: just retake a picture everytime you reshelve a book [17:12:44] scolford | why do i only get karma for porn comments? [17:12:47] mbklein | He said it was gonna happen, and it happened! How about that?! [17:12:51] jbrinley | fak3r: it should stay relatively up-to-date [17:12:51] anarchivist | ugh [17:12:52] fak3r | gsf: it could work [17:12:56] mjg_ | I have heard numerous corks pop in the hall. [17:12:56] mbklein | @karma scolford [17:12:57] zoia | mbklein: Karma for "scolford" has been increased 14 times and decreased 2 times for a total karma of 12. [17:12:59] akorphan | I'll wade that way when the lightning subsides. [17:13:01] anarchivist | omeka_svn_emails_on_every_commit-- [17:13:03] MrDys | BillDueber: nice hair brush to make it natural [17:13:04] LibraryThingT | Instead of camera's pointed at books, why not have cameras pointing out from books? [17:13:05] mib_xxmepy6r | could be used to hoto a rare book collection that never changes (or changes very litle) [17:13:07] decasm | tagit & bagit (you know, for dead digital objects) [17:13:14] rsinger | wonderful... [17:13:20] fak3r | "It's dead jim" [17:13:21] LibraryThingT | scolford++ [17:13:24] lbjay | mjg_: srsly? [17:13:26] rsinger | no, mets is not wonderful [17:13:29] BillDueber | MrDys: yeah, it's only a matter of time before I'm discovered by a high-powered hollywood agent. [17:13:35] harmless | Even only enough zoom to recognise the shelf and even updated only every month or two it would be waaaay useful for finding something in a university library i haven't seen before, especially a large one. [17:13:37] mjg_ | lbjay: yes, it's almost beer and wine hour, methinks. [17:13:48] anarchivist | when i wrap objects with mets, i get a tingling sensation [17:13:49] MrDys | this is amazingly on schedule [17:13:49] lbjay | methinking++ [17:13:50] scolford | where are the wine and beer? [17:13:53] mjg_ | cork # 4 [17:13:53] MrDys | when did we get so punctual [17:14:00] mjg_ | scolford: hallway. [17:14:09] lbjay | DimeBagIt [17:14:10] epoz | fak3r: zoomii.com [17:14:13] scolford | yay. not far to walk. [17:14:14] LibraryThingT | Right. [17:14:14] mjg_ | lbjay++ [17:14:14] anarchivist | lbjay++ [17:14:16] anarchivist | weed++ [17:14:16] abarrera | lbjay++ [17:14:16] fak3r | "It's pronounced thermometer" [17:14:19] BigD | abarrera's already out there, drunk [17:14:20] ---| <<-- mib_jqmykb28 [i=80d27e86@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-bef53b0194ec8a2a] has quit ("http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client") [17:14:20] BillDueber | Everything before wine & beer ends on time. It's a law of nature. [17:14:22] fak3r | epoz: that's it! ya [17:14:24] scolford | lbjay++ [17:14:25] anarchivist | acid++ [17:14:30] lbjay | scolford: i only get karma for drug comments [17:14:30] mbklein | scolford: Imagine what Don would do with online, browseable, zoomable photos of our stacks... [17:14:37] fak3r | beer++ [17:14:48] anarchivist | lbjay: just like robcaSSon [17:14:49] BillDueber | How do you get far enough away from the stacks to get decent pictures, though? [17:14:51] mbklein | lbjay++ # drug comments. heh. [17:14:55] JodiS | I so desperately want this browseable library. mike_beccaria++ [17:15:12] * jtgorman really wants to see this now [17:15:13] kgs | BeerXML++ # http://www.beerxml.com/ [17:15:17] ---| <<-- jbrinley [i=46a4190c@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-f5ef10901afac131] has quit ("http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client") [17:15:21] rsinger | JodiS: YOU run the windows server [17:15:22] fak3r | make that virtual library to work with the Wii and let e know [17:15:25] anarchivist | chesthairML++ [17:15:32] fak3r | windows_server-- [17:15:33] Kerwick | BillDueber: Wide angle lens and merge the photos [17:15:34] JodiS | rsinger: huh? [17:15:36] mbklein | Is BeerXML designed to be further eXtensible? Or should it be called BeerML? [17:15:37] anarchivist | "Download Complete BeerXML Version 1.0 in Microsoft Word Format" [17:15:38] fak3r | got uptime? [17:15:38] JodiS | rsinger: oh. [17:15:43] LibraryThingT | I just want a lot of spine images. [17:15:53] JodiS | rsinger: there's opensource fisheye stuff, too [17:15:54] fak3r | sourceforge: worst user ui, evar! [17:15:57] mbklein | anarchivist++ LOL [17:16:00] atz | when those browse pix get enough resolution, put the barcodes on the spine.... and you can line process the image... *boom* there's your inventory! [17:16:07] scolford | mbklein: oh that would be more like lemonparty.org [17:16:14] fak3r | scolford: -- ;) [17:16:15] jtgorman | JodiS: mikeybe = mike beccarria [17:16:17] jtgorman | I think... [17:16:20] anarchivist | scolford-- [17:16:21] rsinger | JodiS: and your coworker showed something in some shade of yellow [17:16:25] BillDueber | atz: Except for the 150K or so books that are checked out at any given moment :-) [17:16:26] JodiS | mikeybe++ [17:16:33] wickr | atz: and if you have the dimesions, you can scale appropriately ;) [17:16:33] ---| <<-- mib_eme7me5h [i=46a41956@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-f77395c451c00490] has quit ("http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client") [17:16:35] fak3r | dchud, royt, etc [17:16:36] rsinger | guess that's a little different, though [17:16:36] ---| ---> jbrinley [i=46a4190c@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-ee394d19f4ec94df] has joined #code4lib [17:16:37] mjg_ | royt is between us and alcohol. this is dangerous. [17:16:42] BillDueber | Woo hoo! I wants me some free books!!!! [17:16:44] fak3r | define 'cool' prizes [17:16:44] mbklein | scolford: Another day, another NO changes to the BPL DNS records. [17:16:50] jtgorman | mjg_: lay down and cover your stomach and face [17:16:51] MrDys | schwag++ # the free book kind [17:16:54] JodiS | rsinger: generally glad to be tarred with the ksclarke brush :) [17:16:57] Kerwick | fak3r: icecubes [17:16:58] LibraryThingT | Programming Collective Intelligence isn't very good. [17:17:00] atz | BillDueber: you already know the inventory status of a checked out book. [17:17:00] fak3r | usb drive has government secrets on it [17:17:00] mbklein | Who's got the crickets? [17:17:03] atz | it's checked out. [17:17:04] MrDys | schwag-- # the...other...kind [17:17:05] fak3r | get a room you two! [17:17:09] jtgorman | LibraryThingTim: you didn't like it? [17:17:13] anarchivist | the chilloutroom? [17:17:15] LibraryThingT | No. Meh. [17:17:22] fak3r | whatever? interesting! [17:17:22] ecorrado | bagit++ [17:17:23] abarrera | whatever room = drug hangout [17:17:29] jtgorman | LibraryThingTim: I thought it was pretty decent. Were I teaching an undergrad course I'd probably use it [17:17:30] LibraryThingT | If we had stack photos, would we catch students having sex in the stacks, like Google Street Maps? [17:17:30] BillDueber | atz: Google scanning project is the best thing that ever happened to our shelving. We've found thousands of previosly-lost books [17:17:30] mbklein | "Good evening, and welcome to Hangin' Out With Roy..." [17:17:31] akorphan | The Handel Room will need more comfortable chairs in that case. [17:17:32] * MrDys tosses anarchivist a bottle of watter and a pacifier [17:17:35] mjg_ | when are we announcing the scholarship winners? [17:17:37] paulalbert | Are there any restrictions on what I can do in the whatever room? [17:17:39] lbjay | YOU CAN'T HANDLE THE HANDEL ROOM [17:17:39] zoia | New news from planetcode4lib: del.icio.us: Video of Rob Styles' code4lib lightning presentation | Talis Developer Network || del.icio.us: code4lib 2009 talk on caching and proxying linked data | One Big Library. || Panlibus (Talis): A look through the Grid at Code4lib rjw [n=rjw@wsip-70-164-25-108.ri.ri.cox.net] has joined #code4lib [17:20:11] fak3r | python can't do random numbers...bug! [17:20:14] anarchivist | pyrrhea [17:20:17] rsinger | edsu: i would love that [17:20:22] fak3r | cats? err...no [17:20:24] ---| <<-- steambadger [i=46a4190c@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-b66211e7b20eb240] has quit ("http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client") [17:20:28] * jtgorman hasn't found anything better [17:20:30] mbklein | edsu: Can it call native python libraries? [17:20:54] fak3r | "You're not a name / You're a number!" 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[19:15:12] ---| ---> mib_ef5x5w [i=46b7a75f@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-2a20bee8a6e9368d] has joined #code4lib [19:15:44] ---| <<-- mib_ef5x5w [i=46b7a75f@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-2a20bee8a6e9368d] has quit (Client Quit) [19:18:05] jbrinley | @quote random [19:18:05] zoia | jbrinley: Quote #533: "< rsinger> @ana a man a plan a canal panama" (added by gsf at 04:10 PM, November 20, 2006) [19:18:23] jbrinley | @ana a man a plan a canal panama [19:18:24] zoia | jbrinley: An anal canal, am a man papa [19:28:36] jbrinley | @quote random [19:28:37] zoia | jbrinley: Quote #913: " I am rarely happier than when spending entire day programming my computer to perform automatically a task that it would otherwise take me a good ten seconds to do by hand." 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[20:58:07] cbeer | safari4-- # why are tabs on top of the window a good idea? [20:58:35] ---| ---> kvnglbrtsn [n=kvnglbrt@wsip-70-164-25-65.ri.ri.cox.net] has joined #code4lib [20:59:26] ---| <--- kvnglbrtsn [n=kvnglbrt@wsip-70-164-25-65.ri.ri.cox.net] has left #code4lib () [20:59:54] cbeer | safari4++ # ooh, shiny + standards compliant [21:00:50] ---| User: *** highermath_away is now known as highermath [21:07:21] ---| ---> ethomsen [n=chatzill@c-24-34-159-250.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #code4lib [21:12:24] ---| ---> phase_bb [n=phase_bb@m6c5e36d0.tmodns.net] has joined #code4lib [21:14:03] ---| <<-- papo [n=mathias@adsl-177-161-fixip.tiscali.ch] has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) [21:14:21] ---| ---> papo [n=mathias@adsl-177-161-fixip.tiscali.ch] has joined #code4lib [21:16:08] ---| User: *** pmurray_away is now known as pmurray [21:16:27] pmurray | @reload Assorted [21:16:29] zoia | pmurray: The operation succeeded. [21:16:35] pmurray | @excuse [21:16:36] zoia | pmurray: Daylight Savings Time [21:18:05] jeff | no such thing, zoia. ;) [21:18:28] pmurray | @reload Assorted [21:18:29] zoia | pmurray: The operation succeeded. [21:18:31] ---| ---> royt [n=tennantr@wsip-70-164-25-106.ri.ri.cox.net] has joined #code4lib [21:18:33] pmurray | @excuse [21:18:34] zoia | pmurray: The excuse for today is: Daylight Savings Time [21:18:58] pmurray | jeff: What -- are you from eastern Indiana or Arizona or someplace like that? [21:19:49] pmurray | @reload Assorted [21:19:50] zoia | pmurray: The operation succeeded. [21:19:53] pmurray | @excuse [21:19:54] zoia | pmurray: My excuse for today is "Daylight Savings Time" [21:21:24] jeff | pmurray: no, just wearing my pedant hat tonight. it's "Saving", not "Savings" :) [21:21:58] pmurray | jeff: Really? I didn't know that. (Neither did the author of the excuse page, obviously.) [21:22:30] pmurray | @rate Daylight Saving Time versus Daylight Savings Time [21:22:40] zoia | pmurray: Daylight: 5.3; Saving: 9.8; Time: 7.3; versus: 9.8; Daylight: 5.3; Savings: 4.9; Time: 7.3. Savings sucks! Saving rocks! [21:22:42] ---| <<-- kevin7kal [n=kevin7ka@cbl171004.sce.ceinetworks.com] has quit () [21:22:46] pmurray | @rate [21:22:47] zoia | pmurray: (rate ...) -- Rates terms according to the criteria at http://www.sucks-rocks.com/ [21:23:02] pmurray | @rate daylight_saving_time daylight_savings_time [21:23:06] zoia | pmurray: daylight saving time: 0.9; daylight savings time: 0.9. daylight savings time sucks! [21:23:14] jbrinley | @known pmurray [21:23:15] zoia | jbrinley: pmurray's URI is [21:23:44] pmurray | @battle [21:23:44] zoia | pmurray: POWERED BY WINDOWS VISTA [21:41:46] ---| User: *** ejk_out is now known as ejk [21:43:02] ---| ---> zelda [n=Auraria_@wsip-70-164-25-118.ri.ri.cox.net] has joined #code4lib [21:47:39] zoia | New news from planetcode4lib: del.icio.us: code4lib | coders for libraries, libraries for coders [21:47:59] ---| ---> MikeTaylor [i=46a4190c@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-9533105313d51acf] has joined #code4lib [21:48:41] ---| <<-- eby_ [n=ebyr@c-71-206-107-74.hsd1.mi.comcast.net] has quit () [21:52:23] ---| ---> robcaSSon [i=46a4190c@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-b9dbe66be31c6e28] has joined #code4lib [21:54:11] ejk | @rate pyrhon python [21:54:14] zoia | ejk: pyrhon: 10.0; python: 8.5. pyrhon rocks! 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[22:31:53] ---| ---> dchud [i=46a4190c@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-a2650b2776efd92c] has joined #code4lib [22:31:58] ejk | nope, just careless. [22:32:33] ejk | I assume you ran into the basketball fans, though [22:32:53] ejk | Providence beat the #1 team [22:32:54] robcaSSon | yeah....we were a bit confused at first. [22:32:58] robcaSSon | wow. [22:34:18] ---| ---> gugek [n=gugek@cpe-069-134-127-248.nc.res.rr.com] has joined #code4lib [22:34:24] wickr | the University of Providence ;) [22:35:05] dchud | sure is quiet down here in the handel room [22:35:51] ---| ---> gugek_ [n=gugek@adsl-227-96-66.rmo.bellsouth.net] has joined #code4lib [22:36:08] ---| ---> tomkeays [n=tomkeays@wsip-70-164-25-96.ri.ri.cox.net] has joined #code4lib [22:36:15] ejk | providencebasketball++ [22:36:34] tomkeays | @know [22:36:35] zoia | tomkeays: (know [] ) -- Associates the given URI with the given nick. If the nick already has a URI, it will be forgotten. Defaults to the calling user. 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[22:40:17] ---| <<-- mib_d2hd6z3x [i=46a4190c@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-8e6f71d99a325f6f] has quit ("http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client") [22:41:20] ---| <<-- was [n=was@smtp.gfn.org] has quit ("Ex-Chat") [22:42:41] robcaSSon | @know robcaSSon http://foam.lib.muohio.edu/foaf.rdf#me [22:42:43] zoia | robcaSSon: robcaSSon's URI is now [22:44:10] robcaSSon | i need to look more closely at the foaf stuff, as mine is currently a cut-n-paste job [22:47:53] zoia | New news from planetcode4lib: Leggott, Mark: How Silly Can We Get? || Leggott, Mark: Latest Evergreen Release Available || Leggott, Mark: Conors Comics 10 || Leggott, Mark: Conor Comics 9 MrDys [i=MrDys@wsip-70-164-25-28.ri.ri.cox.net] has joined #code4lib [22:56:59] ---| ---> mib_iwbfj1a2 [i=46a4190c@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-1b5263cd0c0dc713] has joined #code4lib [22:57:05] pmurray | dchud: There is something seriously wrong with the phrase "hot MARC parsing action" [22:57:07] dbs | ksclarke: hurm... high-quality cloth diapers, sure. [22:57:22] mib_iwbfj1a2 | cloth_diapers-- [22:57:24] _ksclarke | @ana hot marc parsing action [22:57:25] zoia | _ksclarke: Graphics contaminator [22:57:29] ---| User: *** mib_iwbfj1a2 is now known as fak3r [22:58:26] robcaSSon | pmurray++ [22:58:53] robcaSSon | @knows robcaSSon pmurray [22:58:55] zoia | robcaSSon: robcaSSon does not know pmurray, but pmurray knows robcaSSon. [22:59:11] pmurray | robcaSSon: Hey -- get on that already, okay? [22:59:23] robcaSSon | pmurray: heh...i'm on the case [22:59:37] robcaSSon | if i add a do i need zoia to reload my foaf? [22:59:53] pmurray | @foaf [22:59:54] zoia | pmurray: (foaf ) -- Returns the objects of the given predicate in the given nick's FOAF. [23:00:00] pmurray | @list foaf [23:00:00] zoia | pmurray: common, foaf, forget, know, known, knows, and predicates [23:00:11] wickr | good question, not sure if it caches the file or pulls it each time [23:00:18] robcaSSon | @know robcaSSon http://foam.lib.muohio.edu/foaf.rdf#me [23:00:19] zoia | robcaSSon: robcaSSon's URI is now [23:00:23] robcaSSon | @knows robcaSSon pmurray [23:00:25] zoia | robcaSSon: robcaSSon does not know pmurray, but pmurray knows robcaSSon. [23:01:47] * robcaSSon is gonna call it a night. [23:01:52] dchud | pmurray: i don't know what you're talking about. i came here to do exactly that. [23:01:53] robcaSSon | peace. [23:02:02] ---| <<-- robcaSSon [i=46a4190c@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-b9dbe66be31c6e28] has quit ("http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client") [23:02:31] ---| ---> gsf [i=gsf@manheim.library.drexel.edu] has joined #code4lib [23:02:33] zoia | Ŧåĸŏ [23:03:00] pmurray | dchud: Perhaps, but from afar -- not in the thick of things -- hot MARC parsing action makes my skin crawl. [23:03:10] pmurray | G'night all. [23:03:18] ---| User: *** pmurray is now known as pmurray_away [23:04:05] ---| <<-- ethomsen [n=chatzill@c-24-34-159-250.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit ("ChatZilla 0.9.84 [Firefox 3.0.6/2009011913]") [23:05:27] wickr | @later tell robcaSSon I think you need #me on the end of your for pmurray [23:05:28] zoia | wickr: The operation succeeded. [23:05:35] lbjay | my understanding is that zoia hits the specified profiles each time [23:06:34] wickr | lbjay: ok, so it knows the address, it doesn't really know the file [23:06:43] gsf | lbjay: did you hear about the action in the handel room? [23:06:49] ---| User: *** highermath is now known as highermath_away [23:07:29] dchud | we hear footsteps [23:07:31] dchud | uh-oh [23:07:44] gsf | not a joiner [23:07:47] dchud | phew! close call. [23:09:55] ---| ---> mjg_ [n=mjgiarlo@wsip-70-164-25-90.ri.ri.cox.net] has joined #code4lib [23:10:04] mjg_ | word up. [23:10:23] fak3r | mjg_: there you are [23:10:40] ---| ---> saschel [n=saschel@94-224-98-240.access.telenet.be] has joined #code4lib [23:11:24] ---| <<-- saschel [n=saschel@94-224-98-240.access.telenet.be] has quit (Client Quit) [23:11:28] mjg_ | fak3r: :) Needed to lie down, but that doesn't prevent me from IRCing ;) [23:11:43] mjg_ | sat on stools too much today. kills my back. [23:13:23] lbjay | @knows lbjay robcaSSon [23:13:25] zoia | lbjay: lbjay and robcaSSon know each other. [23:13:47] lbjay | broaf++ [23:15:02] mjg_ | Um [23:15:11] mjg_ | So, why would anyone admit to knowing robcaSSon? [23:15:18] fak3r | mjg_: understood, thanks for letting me join up tonight, met more kewl folks; appreciate it! [23:15:45] mjg_ | fak3r: thanks for joining us, man. I kinda thought you and Matty would hit it off. He's a good friend of mine. [23:16:38] lbjay | mjg_: gotta maintain my connection [23:17:52] ---| <<-- BillDueber [n=dueberb@waffle.umdl.umich.edu] has quit () [23:18:00] zoia | New news from planetcode4lib: Coombs, Karen: WorldCat Search API App Demo || Chudnov, Dan: code4lib 2009 talk on caching and proxying linked data || Leggott, Mark: How Silly Can We Get? || Leggott, [23:18:11] fak3r | mjg_: talking about bands is good for me, need to do it more [23:18:30] gsf | broaf++ [23:18:34] fak3r | I've said it before, and I'll say it again: mark leggott++ [23:18:37] dchud | heh [23:18:42] dchud | mark_leggott++ [23:18:54] dchud | he's the #2 reason to go to access this year... you know it'll be good [23:19:26] _ksclarke | is #1 because it's in PEI? [23:20:05] fak3r | PEI is beautiful, I'm a big fan, but he's running a sharp shop up there. [23:20:06] mjg_ | #1 reason not to go is because I may be there. [23:20:52] dchud | #1 is that it's Access, and it's in PEI :) [23:20:59] * lbjay now offically wants a kindle [23:21:23] dchud | for a second i thought he was going to lock us in. [23:21:28] mjg_ | anyone see Obama's address tonight? [23:21:30] lbjay | when is access? [23:21:40] mjg_ | I'm watching coverage on MSNBC but, meh. [23:21:48] mjg_ | lbjay: usually October. [23:21:52] mjg_ | mid-October? [23:22:26] fak3r | me in cool waters (at night) on the north side of PEI: http://www.flickr.com/photos/fak3r/2821348695/in/set-72157607905125892/ [23:22:34] lbjay | mmm, i can almost taste the mussels [23:22:37] dchud | it starts right around the start of sukkot [23:22:48] dchud | http://vre.upei.ca/access2009/ [23:22:50] lbjay | @whatis sukkot [23:22:53] fak3r | lbjay: mussels, lobster, canadian beer [23:22:57] rsinger | dchud: are you still 'whatever-ing'? [23:23:00] zoia | lbjay: caption: Exterior views of sukkahs in Jerusalem, Israel; imgsize: 300; observances: Eating in '' sukkah'', taking the Four Species, ''hakafot'' in Synagogue.; date2010: sunset, to sunset, / 30; begins: 15th day of Tishrei; holidayName: Sukkot; label: Sukkot; forProperty: Feast of Tabernacles (Christian holiday); forProperty: Sukkah (Talmud); forProperty: the tractate of the Talmud; (3 more messages) [23:24:01] dchud | rsinger: if by "whatever-ing" you mean "adding minimal json support to pymarc in the handel room where THE JOINT IS ROCKIN'" then, why, yes, i am [23:24:18] mjg_ | I thought Handel closed at 11pm. [23:24:22] rsinger | dchud: define 'joint is rockin'" [23:24:30] rsinger | dchud: with don dokken? [23:24:34] dchud | guy just came by to lock the door but said we were okay to stay here [23:24:35] rsinger | and what mjg_ said [23:24:45] rsinger | dchud: who is we? [23:25:17] dchud | gsf, me, and everybody else [23:25:29] lbjay | is there beer? [23:25:30] mjg_ | is iand still around? I meant to corner him and ask about linked data + genealogy. [23:25:54] dchud | lbjay: i'm not going to say no. [23:25:57] mjg_ | fak3r: I see you have feet. 's good to have them. [23:26:02] rsinger | i'm there [23:26:04] ---| <<-- rsinger [n=rsinger@wsip-70-164-25-73.ri.ri.cox.net] has quit () [23:26:13] * lbjay 2nd guesses his early retirement [23:26:23] dchud | WOOH 50% GROWTH RATE [23:26:24] * mjg_ gave up on beer and socializing in meatspace. stupid sore back. [23:26:32] dchud | WOOH SUSTAINED GROWTH [23:26:41] gsf | mjg_: i hear you. rest up [23:26:42] wickr | lbjay: you want a Kindle 1 or 2? [23:26:58] lbjay | wickr: the one that will read to me in the car [23:27:05] dchud | mjg_: i would offer you ibuprofen but all i have is aspirin [23:27:06] fak3r predict - lbjay slow on the IRC speed slam manana [23:27:34] lbjay | mjg_: i've got some advils [23:27:43] fak3r | mjg_: I can offer a beer - Newcastle is all I have. won't stop the pain, just make you forget it (for the night) [23:27:44] wickr | lbjay: uh, is that v.2? I only asked because a woman sitting at my table today was selling v.1 [23:27:56] lbjay | wickr: an nicole hennig? [23:28:00] iand | mjg_: I'm around... grab me tomorrow [23:28:03] mjg_ | thanks, dudes. I think I have some too, but this is a "need to lie down and sleep and all will be better in the morn" kinda thang. [23:28:03] lbjay | s/an/ahh/ [23:28:04] wickr | lbjay: yeah [23:28:13] gsf | http://arstechnica.com/open-source/news/2008/07/symbian-open-source-strategy-explained-at-oscon.ars [23:28:15] _ksclarke | @quote random [23:28:15] zoia | _ksclarke: Quote #1089: " jrochkind is now a tattoo-artist who said Guns don't kill people; magic kills people." (added by jbrinley at 01:10 PM, December 06, 2007) [23:28:17] mjg_ | iand++ # cool, thanks. I am a rank amateur but edsu said I might pick your brain. [23:28:24] * mjg_ is also generally rank. [23:28:25] fak3r | symbian-- [23:28:28] fak3r | android++ [23:28:36] fak3r | mjg_: good to know [23:28:38] wickr | android++ [23:28:44] mjg_ | thanks all for offers of beer and meds. [23:28:48] iand | mjg_: :) [23:28:52] dchud | i'm very curious to know what iand thought of my rant yesterday [23:28:54] wickr | two things that go great together [23:29:00] ---| <--- _ksclarke [i=46a4190c@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-7fa7b7c4046c0c25] has left #code4lib () [23:29:05] fak3r | android - I want to be able to update my phone, and have it crash on reboot [23:29:11] iand | dchud: there was nothing to disagree with! [23:29:20] gsf | is android really a superior os? [23:29:24] ---| ---> BigD [n=dfleming@dfleming-vpn.ucsd.edu] has joined #code4lib [23:29:30] mjg_ | dchud: I think I recommended to two people today that they seek you out and run ideas past you so as to be subject to the Chudnovian razor. Just FYI. [23:29:53] fak3r | gsf: no, but it's Linux, so it can be, and it's something you can learn/extend and as I always love, break [23:30:01] gsf | dchud and rsinger are exchanging electrons down here [23:30:21] fak3r | Electrons IPA? [23:30:33] iand | dchud: I'll be talking about decentralisation of data on Thursday (but not the engineering of... the principle) [23:30:33] * lbjay is headed down [23:30:43] gsf | fak3r: true and agreed. symbian could be more like that once it's open, which is good [23:31:07] fak3r | iand: I'd like to talk to you about that - decentralisation of data [23:31:14] * lbjay is in the elevator [23:31:19] dchud | iand: cool, i'll be looking forward to that [23:31:38] iand | as far as I'm concerned we need to mirror and repeat as much as possible [23:31:58] iand | single copies == single point of failure [23:32:10] dchud | mjg_: well alright then [23:32:21] dchud | iand: great! i'd like to plan a little experiment [23:32:26] fak3r | we have to count on computers/hardware failing, so we can plan ahead how to deal with it [23:32:39] dchud | is there space on the docket for a conversation over a breakout tomorrow? [23:33:04] iand | fak3r: I'm still awake so ask away unless you'd rather do it f2f [23:33:19] dchud | iand: oh i just saw your line about not disagreeing... DAMN i was really trying to raise your ire. i guess i failed like anarchivist. [23:33:33] iand | dchud: LOL [23:33:50] fak3r | iand: I'm all about it, have done testing on distributed file systems (gluster, hdfs, luster (sun)) and the feature of having full copies spread amongst multiple providers is the way to go [23:34:02] ---| ---> ksclarke [n=ksclarke@wsip-70-164-25-25.ri.ri.cox.net] has joined #code4lib [23:34:13] mjg_ | dchud: UCSD dudes were interested in BagIt, btw. Way to go. I told them they could look up Leslie for more info. [23:34:38] dchud | mjg_: awesome! cicer0 from yale also told me they were planning to use it :) [23:34:45] fak3r | iand: also, I've been itching to get some sort of Bittorrent feature rolling - have trackerless clients, have new torrents being dist via RSS, clients pick up the new RSS and start distributing... [23:34:48] mjg_ | edsu: got a few folks who commented positively on both lcsh.info and yer foaf app. thought you'd wanna know. [23:34:57] mjg_ | sweet! [23:35:05] iand | dchud: you'd only raise my ire if you were saying we need to control the dissemination of data [23:35:49] iand | fak3r: isn't the best way to distribute data to make it available and useful to people so they take copies? [23:37:02] ---| <<-- ksclarke [n=ksclarke@wsip-70-164-25-25.ri.ri.cox.net] has quit (Remote closed the connection) [23:37:07] mjg_ | reminds me of the "movage" concept edsu was talking about a few months ago on the digital-curation list. [23:37:37] fak3r | iand: absolutely - be it Libraries, other museums or 'joe' the webmaster - who cares as long as the md5sums match, anyone can participate and help the network be more robust. bittorrent the great equalizer [23:38:16] iand | freenet had this concept whereby the number of copies of each file was related to the number of requests [23:38:20] fak3r | I don't think an autonomous bittorrent solution has been seriously considered, I'd like to try ti [23:38:39] iand | although they allowed files to die if no-one loved them [23:39:05] fak3r | yeah, talked to the freenet ppl (based in Austin) but their stuff was all encrypted. not bad, but we don't want to hide anything. didn't know about the files 'dying' - no likely that [23:39:24] iand | I think it was mainly because of finite capacity of freenet nodes [23:39:36] fak3r | but that kind of protocol would work - but again, everyone bittorrents (mostly) [23:41:16] iand | dchud: I think there is a bit of blinkered thinking going on in the linked data world, because of the emphasis on retrieving data from a URI. it's getting turned into "the only relevant data is at that URI" which isn't true - it's just one source of many [23:41:20] fak3r | iand: but I'm up for doing a proof of concept of either/both [23:42:00] ---| <<-- rjw [n=rjw@wsip-70-164-25-108.ri.ri.cox.net] has quit () [23:42:08] fak3r | iand: right, like if a node goes dark for a bit, we don't want that data to get dropped, it's valid until a new iteration comes along [23:42:20] fak3r | jay_leno_jokes-- [23:42:45] iand | automated bitttorrent sounds cool... so every participating node would continually exchange data with others [23:43:26] fak3r | right, again, they'd automate RSS feeds, clients would auto pick those up and start dnld/seeding. [23:43:31] ---| ---> kgs_ [n=chatzill@wsip-70-164-25-117.ri.ri.cox.net] has joined #code4lib [23:44:24] iand | if it used atom then wouldn't there be a natural fit with jangle? [23:44:36] ---| ---> rjw [n=rjw@wsip-70-164-25-108.ri.ri.cox.net] has joined #code4lib [23:44:55] JodiS | how do I get n3 from LIBRIS? [23:44:56] fak3r | not a perfect plan, but the steps I desc are functions of apps out there...so it'd be a matter of get thing it rolling and have others join to keep it going/make it more robust [23:45:28] jeff | there was a semi-automated bittorrent project for public access tv / community media centers, went by the nae "digital bicycle". domain seems to be defunct now. [23:45:44] fak3r | iand: I think jangle could/should be a natural fit, I don't know enough of jangle to really say though (I can hum a bit of it, but that's it) [23:45:55] mjg_ | JodiS: you can use curl and provide "--header 'Accept: text/rdf+n3'" or install a ffx extension that allows you to add that header. [23:46:15] ---| <--- rjw [n=rjw@wsip-70-164-25-108.ri.ri.cox.net] has left #code4lib () [23:46:21] mjg_ | or perhaps libris will let you request a resource w/ the .n3 extension and it'll do the smart thing? [23:46:27] iand | just imagine jangle as a bunch of atom feeds in front of useful sources of library data (plus a protocol to update them) [23:46:38] fak3r | there was another thing in Austin, Cobra or somthing, but very limited. then there's a more spec library project based on dist via bittorrent, but hasn't been updated in years. [23:46:57] fak3r | iand: that sounds good, if I can 'curl' it, we can make it werk [23:47:20] JodiS | mjg++ [23:47:40] JodiS | mjg: no, .n3 not understood [23:47:41] iand | curl++ [23:48:08] zoia | New news from planetcode4lib: del.icio.us: Code4Lib 2009 - a set on Flickr || Chudnov, Dan: code4lib 2009 talk on caching and proxying linked data [23:48:39] ---| <<-- BigD [n=dfleming@dfleming-vpn.ucsd.edu] has quit (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) [23:48:44] jbrinley | goodnight, all [23:48:47] ---| <<-- jbrinley [n=adelie@havok.dreamhost.com] has quit ("Leaving") [23:49:34] dchud @quote add "lbjay: i am not the architect you're looking for" [23:49:35] zoia | dchud: Error: You must be registered to use this command. If you are already registered, you must either identify (using the identify command) or add a hostmask matching your current hostmask (using the "hostmask add" command). [23:50:10] mjg_ | rachel_maddow+- # kind of amusing, but is basically Keith Olbermann sans testosterone. [23:50:12] dchud @quote add "lbjay: i am not the architect you're looking for" [23:50:12] zoia | dchud: The operation succeeded. Quote #1733 added. [23:51:07] anarchivist_r | @quote random [23:51:07] ---| <<-- tomkeays [n=tomkeays@wsip-70-164-25-96.ri.ri.cox.net] has quit () [23:51:08] zoia | anarchivist_room: Quote #1005: " Some say the world will end in fire; some say in segfaults." (added by robcaSSon at 01:18 PM, September 06, 2007) [23:51:09] ---| User: *** anarchivist_room is now known as anarchivist [23:51:41] ---| ---> wtd [n=chatzill@wsip-70-164-25-78.ri.ri.cox.net] has joined #code4lib [23:51:54] ---| ---> tomkeays [n=tomkeays@wsip-70-164-25-96.ri.ri.cox.net] has joined #code4lib [23:52:24] anarchivist | is there a hospitality suite? [23:52:33] mjg_ | anarchivist: Handel room, Temple level [23:52:38] anarchivist | mjg_: still open? [23:52:48] wtd | Closed at 11, according to what they said. [23:52:51] mjg_ | anarchivist: yes, but there are some unsavory characters in there. [23:52:54] fak3r | mjg_: rachel smiles much more [23:53:01] * anarchivist just came from temple [23:53:03] mjg_ | fak3r: true! [23:53:05] anarchivist | r people h4ck1ng? [23:53:21] fak3r | hak`1ingf2tw@! [23:53:29] mjg_ | something about json support in pymarc. [23:53:30] miker_ | it was never open :( [23:53:50] wtd | miker: same as last night, then! :( [23:53:52] * dbs buys miker_ a consolatory beer [23:54:03] mjg_ | I have bacon in my room. Who needs a hospitality suite? [23:54:23] anarchivist | ahhh [23:54:24] fak3r | *crickets* [23:54:24] dchud | mjg_: we have rsinger in our hospitality suite. who needs bacon? [23:54:27] anarchivist | so good t have the boots off [23:54:38] mjg_ | @rate bacon rsinger [23:54:41] zoia | mjg_: bacon: 9.9; rsinger: 10.0. rsinger rocks! [23:54:42] ---| <<-- tomkeays [n=tomkeays@wsip-70-164-25-96.ri.ri.cox.net] has quit (Client Quit) [23:54:45] mjg_ | :O [23:54:51] * wtd laughs at dbs's latest tweet. "Are you sure you know what you're talking about?" [23:54:56] miker_ | unacceptable! [23:54:59] kgs_ | just enjoying my chocolate truffles and face spritz [23:55:09] dchud | rsinger is doing a dance of joy at his victory [23:55:32] mjg_ | rsinger is cool and all but I don't want him anywhere near my cheezburger. [23:55:33] anarchivist | kgs_-- [23:55:42] anarchivist | kgs_: i have no face mist [23:55:43] kgs_ | :-) [23:55:55] kgs_ | ahhh. and the turndown is so nice too [23:55:57] anarchivist | kgs_: just me, my intimacy kit, and season 1 of "heroes" [23:56:05] fak3r | Ikan haz ur data via OWL_OIA? [23:56:07] dbs | wtd: I tweet once a week, slowly increasing my jerk factor each week. [23:56:42] kgs_ | dbs who are you on twitter? [23:56:52] dbs | kgs_: denials [23:57:09] dbs | this kind of tweet raises my ire, though: "we looked @ vufind & decided to co in another direction. our ils is evergreen, which @ this time limits us" [23:57:21] fak3r | I am now following denials [23:57:25] kgs_ | hmmmm [23:57:47] fak3r | dbs: s/co/go/g ? [23:57:50] kgs_ | I track evergreen tweets but have been web-challenged here [23:57:55] mjg_ | Evergreen sucks. I hear they don't even do acquisitions. No EDI support? Come ON! [23:58:03] * mjg_ -- [23:58:04] anarchivist | mjg_-- [23:58:05] ---| ---> BigD [n=dfleming@wsip-70-164-25-98.ri.ri.cox.net] has joined #code4lib [23:58:11] anarchivist | speaking of -- [23:58:24] * anarchivist wants paczki :( [23:58:26] fak3r | ouch, BigD, discuss! [23:58:28] mjg_ | BigD: you are unwanted. [23:58:31] anarchivist | mmm lard donuts [23:58:38] kgs_ | oh right... it's like almost Lent [23:58:39] dbs | mjgiarlo++ # fair enough :) [23:58:41] wtd | dbs: By the way, I am countering America by listening to Rush. [23:58:47] dbs | wtd++ [23:58:54] dchud | @canuck i want to try out couchdb from the apache foundation [23:58:54] zoia | dchud: i want to try oat coachdb from the apawchee foundation, eh? [23:59:05] fak3r | wtf++ [23:59:08] anarchivist | wtd++ [23:59:11] mjg_ | dbs++ # yeah, I suck. [23:59:16] fak3r | couchdb, or as I called it in chan today, sofadb [23:59:26] anarchivist | mjg_ is sofa king [23:59:32] * fak3r nver makss mistakes [23:59:32] wtd | dchud, we were talking about your and Library Geeks at dinner. Any chance of more? We miss them. [23:59:32] * mjg_ is wee todd ed [23:59:42] fak3r | anarchivist: I am sofa king, we, todd, ed. --- Day changed Wed Feb 25 2009 [00:00:15] fak3r | aquaTeenHungerForceJokes++ [00:00:37] mjg_ | ATHF++ [00:01:05] anarchivist | http://icanhascheezburger.files.wordpress.com/2009/02/funny-pictures-your-cat-should-be-doused-in-holy-water.jpg [00:01:06] fak3r | drewBarrymore-- [00:01:11] mjg_ | I can safely say that in a world without Meatwad, I might never have met my wife. [00:01:35] fak3r | mjg_: that's a comment to get behind [00:01:42] ---| ---> mbklein [i=46a4190c@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-a3a3dfb489be9711] has joined #code4lib [00:02:31] mjg_ | Speaking of, I forgot to call her tonight. Whoops. [00:02:35] mjg_ | brrrrring brrrrring [00:02:50] mbklein | tsk [00:03:05] ---| <<-- gsf [i=gsf@manheim.library.drexel.edu] has quit (Remote closed the connection) [00:03:54] mbklein | @known [00:03:56] zoia mbklein: I know URIs for the following users: Baroquem, BigD, BillDueber, JodiS, MrDys, abarrera, akorphan, anarchivist, asnagy, atz, bess, cazzerson, cbeer, charper, dlovins, ecorrado, ejk, escowles, fak3r, flighty, gsf, jphipps, jstroop, kgs, ksclarke, lbjay, liza31337, mbklein, mjg_, pmurray, ranti, robcaSSon, rsinger, scolford, smkiewel, tomkeays, wickr, wtd, zoia [00:04:23] mbklein | Awesome [00:04:24] MrDys | yes, zoia, yes you do [00:04:58] wtd | @knows wtd zoia [00:05:01] zoia | wtd: wtd does not know zoia, but zoia knows wtd. [00:05:13] MrDys | mbklein: http://blogs.citypages.com/gimmenoise/images/mk2_fatality.png [00:05:14] MrDys | tomorrow. [00:05:32] mbklein | oh HELL no [00:05:35] mbklein | :) [00:05:45] mbklein | I'll only accept a Babality [00:05:49] anarchivist | MrDys++ [00:05:53] anarchivist | mbklein++ [00:06:36] ---| ---> chickmarkley [i=46a4190c@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-4e204bb72d8f473c] has joined #code4lib [00:06:37] ---| <<-- chickmarkley [i=46a4190c@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-4e204bb72d8f473c] has quit (Client Quit) [00:07:12] ---| ---> chickmarkley [i=46a4190c@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-c227dec3e65fcc0a] has joined #code4lib [00:07:52] lbjay | @dunno add why don't you just use the python library? [00:07:54] zoia | lbjay: The operation succeeded. Dunno #302 added. [00:08:18] lbjay | @known lbjay [00:08:20] zoia | lbjay: lbjay's URI is [00:08:29] MrDys | @band [00:08:30] lbjay | @list FOAF [00:08:30] zoia | MrDys: Plus-Six Battle-Axe [00:08:32] zoia | lbjay: common, foaf, forget, know, known, knows, and predicates [00:08:39] lbjay | @knows lbjay [00:08:40] zoia | lbjay: (knows ) -- Determines if the two given nicks know each other based on their registered FOAFs. [00:08:43] lbjay | @knows lbjay zoia [00:08:46] zoia | lbjay: lbjay does not know zoia, but zoia knows lbjay. [00:08:54] lbjay | ^ not true [00:09:29] mjg_ | @help predicates [00:09:31] zoia | mjg_: (predicates ) -- Displays the relationships that have been asserted by the given nick about the other nick or URI. [00:10:10] mbklein @foaf lbjay knows [00:10:11] zoia mbklein: lbjay : , , , , , , , , , , (2 more messages) [00:10:29] mbklein | @more [00:10:29] zoia | mbklein: , , , , , , , , , , (1 more message) [00:11:16] mjg_ | @foaf mjg_ currentProject [00:11:18] zoia | mjg_: mjg_ : , [00:11:21] mbklein @say lbjay: You've got http://rc98.net/foaf#me where you should have [known zoia] [00:11:22] zoia | mbklein: Error: You must be registered to use this command. If you are already registered, you must either identify (using the identify command) or add a hostmask matching your current hostmask (using the "hostmask add" command). [00:11:41] anarchivist | @known zoia [00:11:42] zoia | anarchivist: zoia's URI is [00:11:43] mbklein @say lbjay: You've got http://rc98.net/foaf#me where you should have [known zoia] [00:11:43] zoia | lbjay: You've got http://rc98.net/foaf#me where you should have zoia's URI is [00:12:30] MrDys | @quote random [00:12:31] zoia | MrDys: Quote #1138: " man is a bad animal" (added by edsu at 08:46 AM, January 25, 2008) [00:12:44] mbklein | Lots of people seem to have used that URI for zoia, which is understandable, but wrong. :) [00:12:52] mbklein | @knows mbklein zoia [00:12:54] zoia | mbklein: mbklein does not know zoia, but zoia knows mbklein. [00:13:04] dchud | wtd: definitely a chance of more. i'd meant to do more after the jangle one with rsinger but broke the hand and stuff [00:13:34] iand | foaf:knows is symmetric, i.e. if a foaf:knows b then you can infer that b foaf:knows a [00:14:06] anarchivist | iand++ [00:14:27] lbjay | mbklein: thanks [00:14:32] lbjay | @knows lbjay zoia [00:14:33] wtd | dchud: Excellent! Hope to hear more in the spring. [00:14:35] zoia | lbjay: lbjay and zoia know each other. [00:14:44] mbklein | iand: Really? OK. So by asserting that I know someone, I force them to know me too? [00:14:47] anarchivist | BigD: still up big fella? [00:14:57] anarchivist | BigD: we should push on bradw to do a lightning talk [00:15:01] iand | foaf:knows is pretty weak semantically... best thought of as "maybe glanced at while walking quickly past them" [00:15:19] jaf | @quote random [00:15:21] zoia | jaf: Quote #1284: " I'm going to turn into an Office Space parody of myself if I'm not careful" (added by ksclarke at 04:29 PM, March 26, 2008) [00:15:22] fak3r | jay_leno_serving_up_questions-- [00:15:44] fak3r | "is this good for the company?" [00:15:58] fak3r | lumberg++ [00:16:01] lbjay | much better is foaf:iknowabelincolnandyousirarenoabelincoln [00:16:07] * fak3r zzz [00:16:17] mbklein | Interesting. Right now we're parsing everyone's FOAF (except zoia's) on the fly to allow for quick changes, and to keep the graph from getting huge. [00:16:54] ---| <--- fak3r [i=46a4190c@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-1b5263cd0c0dc713] has left #code4lib () [00:17:13] dchud | wtd: the one you and i did was definitely the most fun :) [00:17:49] lbjay | that reminds me, no one's done any ray carver titled lightning talks [00:18:00] wtd | dchud: That was a fun night. [00:18:28] dchud | wtd: my only regret is that i kept freaking interrupting you [00:18:32] dchud | :( [00:18:48] mbklein | @knows mbklein zoia [00:18:50] zoia | mbklein: mbklein and zoia know each other. [00:19:01] ---| <<-- jstirnaman [i=46a41936@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-62ee4fc372683d19] has quit ("http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client") [00:19:03] MrDys | @knows anarchivist [band] [00:19:03] wtd | dchud: I don't remember that at all. I just remember a nice talk in a fine hotel bar. [00:19:03] zoia | MrDys: Error: 'The Second Gunmen' is not a valid nick. [00:19:06] dbs | Access 2006 + one big library podcasts were what kept my hope alive for libraries. bastards. [00:19:30] * jaf can't wait to see the conference video [00:19:39] dchud | dbs: yeah, and look at us now, we're mocking you with a bot [00:19:44] wtd | That was my first Access. "These are my peeople," I said to myself. [00:19:56] wtd | Except I spelled it "people." [00:19:58] mbklein | @known [00:19:59] zoia mbklein: I know URIs for the following users: Baroquem, BigD, BillDueber, JodiS, MrDys, abarrera, akorphan, anarchivist, asnagy, atz, bess, cazzerson, cbeer, charper, dlovins, ecorrado, ejk, escowles, fak3r, flighty, gsf, jphipps, jstroop, kgs, ksclarke, lbjay, liza31337, mbklein, mjg_, pmurray, ranti, robcaSSon, rsinger, scolford, smkiewel, tomkeays, wickr, wtd, zoia [00:20:08] dchud | wtd: that's toouching. [00:20:10] mbklein | wtd: You spelled it that way when you said it to yourself? [00:20:25] MrDys | sound it out in your head [00:20:35] mjg_ | code4lib 2006 kept me in libraries [00:20:41] dchud | "will you please return the book, please?" [00:20:46] mjg_ | to our collective detriment. [00:20:59] lbjay | http://wiki.code4lib.org/index.php/Code4lib2009Notes [00:21:08] jaf | mjg_: ah, but the key word is 'collective' [00:21:16] mbklein | @common interest robcaSSon BigD anarchivist mbklein [00:21:20] wtd | dchud: edsu suggested a breakout session on One Big Library tomorrow. [00:21:34] * mjg_ , dragging us down since 2006 [00:21:35] zoia | mbklein: Error: I tried to send you an empty message. [00:21:40] lbjay | @quote add i'm a prickly bugger [00:21:41] zoia | lbjay: The operation succeeded. Quote #1734 added. [00:24:31] jaf | wtd: was there talk about One Big Library today? [00:24:31] MrDys | awesometown: http://blog.freebase.com/2009/02/24/freebase-now-available-as-a-public-data-set-on-aws/ [00:24:36] ---| ---> BigD1 [n=dfleming@wsip-70-164-25-98.ri.ri.cox.net] has joined #code4lib [00:25:16] anarchivist | BigD1: hey [00:25:20] mbklein | @reload FOAF [00:25:20] zoia | mbklein: Error: invalid syntax (plugin.py, line 107) [00:25:27] anarchivist | BigD1: we should push bradw to do a lightning talk [00:25:37] wtd | jaf: No. [00:25:49] jaf | ah - that would be cool, tho [00:25:56] ---| ---> gsf [i=gsf@manheim.library.drexel.edu] has joined #code4lib [00:25:56] zoia | Ŧåĸŏ [00:26:01] mbklein | @reload FOAF [00:26:02] zoia | mbklein: Error: There was no plugin FOAF. [00:26:06] mbklein | load FOAF [00:26:25] mbklein | @load FOAF [00:26:27] zoia | mbklein: The operation succeeded. [00:26:31] mbklein | @common interest robcaSSon BigD anarchivist mbklein [00:26:31] * jaf is wondering if he puts together a virtual lightning talk, would it get selected for the lightning talk session tomorrow.... [00:26:49] zoia | mbklein: No common s found. [00:26:58] mbklein | @common interest mjg_ edsu [00:26:59] zoia | mbklein: I don't know edsu's URI. [00:27:03] jaf | dchud: Peter Young is scary smart [00:27:14] mbklein | @common interest mjg_ anarchivist [00:27:15] zoia | mbklein: , , [00:27:23] mjg_ | what else is there? [00:27:29] BigD1 | anarchivist: he's thinking of doing one on chronopolis [00:27:36] anarchivist | BigD1: awesome [00:27:39] mbklein | mjg_: Go curate your digital beer. [00:27:47] anarchivist | BigD1: really he should do an update on the AT too [00:27:52] ---| ---> gsf__ [i=gsf@manheim.library.drexel.edu] has joined #code4lib [00:27:54] anarchivist | BigD1: or cram both into a 5 min slot [00:28:00] mjg_ | cram++ [00:28:14] mbklein | @seen edsu [00:28:14] zoia | mbklein: edsu was last seen in #code4lib 7 hours, 8 minutes, and 16 seconds ago: pyrhon = ruby interpreter written in python [00:28:29] ---| <--- gsf__ [i=gsf@manheim.library.drexel.edu] has left #code4lib () [00:28:45] BigD1 | anarchivist: twss [00:29:01] anarchivist | BigD1-- [00:29:06] mbklein | @later tell edsu Is the crawler no longer crawling? The log ends Monday. [00:29:06] zoia | mbklein: The operation succeeded. [00:29:19] ---| <<-- BigD [n=dfleming@wsip-70-164-25-98.ri.ri.cox.net] has quit (Nick collision from services.) [00:29:34] ---| User: *** BigD1 is now known as BigD [00:29:44] ---| <<-- gsf [i=gsf@manheim.library.drexel.edu] has quit ("leaving") [00:30:03] lbjay | dchud++ # for pointing out that code{4}lib logo = codecodecodecodelib [00:30:41] ---| ---> gsf [i=gsf@manheim.library.drexel.edu] has joined #code4lib [00:30:54] mbklein | sleepy mbklein is sleepy. 'night everybody. [00:31:08] gsf | 'night mbklein [00:31:19] ---| <<-- mbklein [i=46a4190c@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-a3a3dfb489be9711] has quit ("mibbit.com: zzzzzzz") [00:34:20] ---| ---> chickmarkley_ [n=chickmar@wsip-70-164-25-70.ri.ri.cox.net] has joined #code4lib [00:34:38] mjg_ | sleepy_time++ [00:34:44] ---| <--- mjg_ [n=mjgiarlo@wsip-70-164-25-90.ri.ri.cox.net] has left #code4lib () [00:35:36] ---| <--- chickmarkley [i=46a4190c@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-c227dec3e65fcc0a] has left #code4lib () [00:37:59] BigD | jaf: i think it would [00:38:04] BigD | sorry, scrolling back [00:38:47] jaf | BigD: cool, I might try to put one together tonight here in Taipai, if it wouldn't intrude on someone else's slot [00:39:05] ---| ---> ecorrado [n=ecorrado@wsip-70-164-25-124.ri.ri.cox.net] has joined #code4lib [00:40:39] dchud | jaf: are you hanging out with Peter Young? [00:40:50] jaf | dchud: a bit - he's here at the workshop [00:40:55] jaf | very nice guy [00:41:00] dchud | i said hi to him the other day at LC [00:41:03] dchud | yeah definitely [00:41:36] jaf | so, it's 1:40 pm Wed. here in Taipai [00:41:42] jaf | I'm literally ahead of your time :) [00:44:01] * rangi still beats ya :) [00:45:59] ---| <<-- gsf [i=gsf@manheim.library.drexel.edu] has quit (Remote closed the connection) [00:46:26] BigD | jaf: let me know if i can help coordinate on this side [00:46:38] jaf | BigD: cool, thx. will do [00:46:54] * BigD pumpkins [00:47:05] ---| <<-- BigD [n=dfleming@wsip-70-164-25-98.ri.ri.cox.net] has quit ("Leaving.") [00:47:31] dchud | we are extending OpenVocab! [00:47:47] anarchivist | dchud: how [00:48:30] dchud | anarchivist: we want to be able to state when we are friends of a fro [00:48:41] anarchivist | of a fro? [00:48:46] dchud | foafro [00:48:50] anarchivist | ha [00:48:53] dchud | to go along with broaf [00:49:43] lbjay | ladies and gentlemen, i give you http://open.vocab.org/terms/foafro.html [00:50:13] anarchivist | lbjay++ [00:50:16] anarchivist | dchud++ [00:51:02] ---| ---> gsf [i=gsf@manheim.library.drexel.edu] has joined #code4lib [00:51:03] zoia | Ŧåĸŏ [00:52:48] lbjay | [00:52:55] ---| <<-- chickmarkley_ [n=chickmar@wsip-70-164-25-70.ri.ri.cox.net] has quit () [00:54:36] MrDys | lbjay++ [00:55:01] lbjay | dchud++ # his idea [00:55:28] gsf | @knows MrDys [00:55:29] zoia | gsf: (knows ) -- Determines if the two given nicks know each other based on their registered FOAFs. [00:55:40] gsf | @known MrDys [00:55:41] zoia | gsf: MrDys's URI is [00:58:30] MrDys | jaf: what are you doing in Taipei? [00:58:33] gsf | @list [00:58:34] zoia | gsf: Acronym, Admin, Amazon, Anagram, Anonymous, Assorted, AudioScrobbler, Band, Calais, Channel, ChannelLogger, Config, CyborgName, DBpedia, Debian, Delicious, Dict, Disemvowel, Dunno, Eef, Etymology, FOAF, Filter, Games, GasPrices, Google, Herald, Insult, Internet, IsItDown, Karma, Kombat, Later, LibraryThing, Linux, Lisppaste, Lolz, MARC, Math, Misc, Motivate, NACO, Nickometer, OCLC, OpenDict, Owner, Pirate, Poll, Praise, (1 more message) [00:58:40] gsf | @more [00:58:41] zoia | gsf: Presidents, Quote, RSS, Reply, Scrabble, Seen, Sing, Stopwords, SucksRocks, Todo, Traffic, Translators, TrueTrue, URL, Unix, UrbanDict, User, WOTD, Weather, Web2, Webopedia, WoGroFuBiCo, WordCount, WordStats, Yum, and Zillow [00:58:42] jaf | MrDys: Attending http://grl2020.net [00:59:00] MrDys | that better be a feminist optricians conference [00:59:07] jaf | heh [00:59:33] anarchivist | MrDys++ [01:00:08] jaf | in hindsight..... [01:01:42] ---| <<-- ecorrado [n=ecorrado@wsip-70-164-25-124.ri.ri.cox.net] has quit () [01:02:06] wtd | jaf: That looks interesting. I'll check it out more tomorrow. [01:02:26] wtd | Or today, I guess, from your point of view. Or possibly yesterday. [01:02:26] jaf | wtd: it's good, but no match for c4l [01:02:57] anarchivist | oh dang mohinder suresh is a stud [01:06:01] lbjay | if you've ever wondered what the "lb" in lbjay stands for, tune in to the next episode of Library Geeks [01:06:25] dchud | battery warning [01:07:53] MrDys | lyndon baines [01:08:21] wtd | Pounds. [01:08:51] lbjay | bzzt [01:09:57] lbjay | @hussein mohinder suresh [01:10:00] zoia | lbjay: Shh! Unhideous merriness [01:10:11] gsf | MrDys: re: presenting tomorrow, just got this doc from the hotel: http://rc98.net/macaddress [01:10:15] ---| <<-- dchud [i=46a4190c@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-a2650b2776efd92c] has quit ("http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client") [01:10:36] anarchivist | gsf++ [01:10:39] MrDys | gsf: sly devil [01:10:46] lbjay | lol [01:10:48] gsf | help from edsu and others [01:10:58] * lbjay wipes tears [01:11:07] MrDys | @rickcheck http://rc98.net/macaddress [01:11:07] zoia | MrDys: your CeCe Winans Featured Selection order has been confirmed! [01:11:12] * MrDys kicks zoia [01:11:30] lbjay | MrDys: they just worked on that for 30 minutes [01:11:48] gsf | RickCheck and RickGuard were disabled [01:11:50] gsf | bwahahaha [01:12:03] MrDys | you people... [01:12:07] JodiS | gsf-- [01:12:13] * JodiS grins [01:12:15] MrDys | I kinda want to work that into my presentation now...but I won't [01:12:34] gsf | MrDys: yeah, don't go to any trouble [01:15:38] gsf | but i'll leave it up, just in case [01:16:00] lbjay | lightning talk idea: how to go from nobody to MC in 4 years [01:17:03] MrDys | gsf: you want to see that entry rendered in beautiful JSON? [01:17:27] gsf | MrDys: ooh, yes [01:17:50] MrDys | @lisppaste3 help [01:17:51] zoia | MrDys: pssst! i heard the d in dspace stands for dchud. pass it on. [01:17:57] MrDys | !lisppaste3 help [01:18:00] gsf | @lisppaste help [01:18:00] zoia | lisppaste: help [01:18:01] lisppaste3 | To use the lisppaste bot, visit http://paste.lisp.org/new/code4lib and enter your paste. [01:18:38] lisppaste3 | MrDys pasted "Rickroll auf Freebase" at http://paste.lisp.org/display/76134 [01:18:49] lbjay | @dunno search dchud [01:18:50] zoia | lbjay: 1 found: #198: "pssst! i heard the d in dspace stands for..." [01:19:21] MrDys | I question the "films_considered_the_best_ever" tag, but I can see where they're coming from [01:24:20] gsf | MrDys++ [01:25:01] ---| <<-- scolford [n=scolford@m485336d0.tmodns.net] has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) [01:25:34] ---| <<-- phase_bb [n=phase_bb@m6c5e36d0.tmodns.net] has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) [01:26:20] ---| <<-- gsf [i=gsf@manheim.library.drexel.edu] has quit ("leaving") [01:41:09] ---| <--- JodiS [n=JodiS@wsip-70-164-25-56.ri.ri.cox.net] has left #code4lib () [01:41:16] ---| ---> JodiS [n=JodiS@wsip-70-164-25-56.ri.ri.cox.net] has joined #code4lib [01:41:48] ---| ---> rsinger [n=rsinger@wsip-70-164-25-73.ri.ri.cox.net] has joined #code4lib [01:42:31] anarchivist | http://anarchivist.enjoysthin.gs/30985 [01:44:51] MrDys | time to go hang out w/ Steve [01:44:55] ---| User: *** MrDys is now known as MrDys_zzz [01:46:16] anarchivist | "wear cologne" [01:47:55] MrDys_zzz | the entire city. on your back. 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[02:02:32] JodiS | trying to produce a PDF that I'm happy with :( [02:02:44] * JodiS misses keynote [02:02:46] lbjay | JodiS: oh, for your talk tomorrow [02:02:52] JodiS | yup [02:03:06] ---| <<-- rsinger [n=rsinger@wsip-70-164-25-73.ri.ri.cox.net] has quit () [02:03:06] lbjay | JodiS: perfection-- [02:03:11] JodiS | perfection-- [02:03:28] lbjay | @foafro jrochkind [02:03:30] zoia | lbjay: Do you know what it's like to be on the bill and to play for 15 minutes and the only people there to see you are the other bands and their girlfriends? Don't talk to me about Rock 'n' Roll! I'm out there in the clubs and on the streets and I'm living it! I AM ROCK 'N' ROLL! [02:06:15] jaf | @quote random [02:06:16] zoia | jaf: Quote #825: " But here I am, and of course I'm suing the cigarette company because on the package they promised to kill me, and here I am." 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[02:48:44] zoia | New news from planetcode4lib: Leggott, Mark: How Silly Can We Get? || Leggott, Mark: Latest Evergreen Release Available || Leggott, Mark: Conors Comics 10 || Leggott, Mark: Conor Comics 9 chickmarkley [n=chickmar@wsip-70-164-25-70.ri.ri.cox.net] has joined #code4lib [03:03:49] chickmarkley | But hey, it's only 10pm in Hawaii [03:05:12] ---| <<-- dchud [n=dchud@wsip-70-164-25-31.ri.ri.cox.net] has quit () [03:06:27] ---| ---> danbri [n=danbri@193.72.18.170] has joined #code4lib [03:14:24] chickmarkley | @verbs [03:14:26] zoia | chickmarkley: http://wrongcards.com/ecard/im-sorry-my-thetans-made-me-do-it [03:14:41] chickmarkley | @list [03:14:42] zoia | chickmarkley: Acronym, Admin, Amazon, Anagram, Anonymous, Assorted, AudioScrobbler, Band, Calais, Channel, ChannelLogger, Config, CyborgName, DBpedia, Debian, Delicious, Dict, Disemvowel, Dunno, Eef, Etymology, FOAF, Filter, Games, GasPrices, Google, Herald, Insult, Internet, IsItDown, Karma, Kombat, Later, LibraryThing, Linux, Lisppaste, Lolz, MARC, Math, Misc, Motivate, NACO, Nickometer, OCLC, OpenDict, Owner, Pirate, Poll, (1 more message) [03:15:29] chickmarkley | @google [03:15:30] zoia | chickmarkley: (google [--{language,restrict} ] [--{notsafe,similar}]) -- Searches google.com for the given string. As many results as can fit are included. --language accepts a language abbreviation; --restrict restricts the results to certain classes of things; --similar tells Google not to filter similar results. --notsafe allows possibly work-unsafe results. [03:15:53] chickmarkley | @more [03:15:54] zoia | chickmarkley: Praise, Presidents, Quote, RSS, Reply, Scrabble, Seen, Sing, Stopwords, SucksRocks, Todo, Traffic, Translators, TrueTrue, URL, Unix, UrbanDict, User, WOTD, Weather, Web2, Webopedia, WoGroFuBiCo, WordCount, WordStats, Yum, and Zillow [03:18:49] zoia | New news from planetcode4lib: Leggott, Mark: How Silly Can We Get? || Leggott, Mark: Latest Evergreen Release Available || Leggott, Mark: Conors Comics 10 || L [03:27:00] ---| <<-- danbri [n=danbri@unaffiliated/danbri] has quit (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) [03:27:20] ---| ---> danbri [n=danbri@195.70.5.235] has joined #code4lib [03:35:24] ---| <<-- danbri [n=danbri@unaffiliated/danbri] has quit ("going back to danbri.org") [03:56:01] ---| <<-- chickmarkley [n=chickmar@wsip-70-164-25-70.ri.ri.cox.net] has quit () [04:01:30] ---| <<-- khatar [n=marc@phear.org] has quit (Remote closed the connection) [04:01:33] ---| ---> khatar [n=marc@phear.org] has joined #code4lib [04:12:37] ---| ---> MattyM [n=matt@62.172.77.66] has joined #code4lib [04:16:57] zoia | New news from planetcode4lib: Schmidt, Aaron: library frustration: a story in three tweets [04:36:17] ---| <<-- papo [n=mathias@adsl-177-161-fixip.tiscali.ch] has quit (Remote closed the connection) [05:13:22] ---| ---> kevin7kal [n=kevin7ka@cbl171004.sce.ceinetworks.com] has joined #code4lib [05:14:01] ---| ---> kevin7kal_ [n=kevin7ka@cbl171004.sce.ceinetworks.com] has joined #code4lib [05:14:08] ---| <<-- kevin7kal [n=kevin7ka@cbl171004.sce.ceinetworks.com] has quit (Connection reset by peer) [05:14:51] ---| User: *** kevin7kal_ is now known as kevin7kal [05:15:41] ---| ---> mmmmmrob [n=mmmmmrob@82-36-211-60.cable.ubr04.king.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #code4lib [06:24:49] kgs_ | hurry up coffee! 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Intros start at 8:45. http://code4lib.org/conference/2009/schedule [08:32:24] ---| <<-- rsinger [n=rsinger@wsip-70-164-25-53.ri.ri.cox.net] has quit (Client Quit) [08:32:30] ---| ---> calvinm_ [n=calvinm@wsip-70-164-25-94.ri.ri.cox.net] has joined #code4lib [08:33:16] ---| ---> mib_kdgypwej [i=46a4190c@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-a73c997c1f3c61fe] has joined #code4lib [08:33:23] ---| User: *** mib_kdgypwej is now known as royt [08:33:32] ---| ---> Kerwick [i=46a4190c@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-1fe4bc76a3da1990] has joined #code4lib [08:33:51] royt | crap, have to use mibbit again [08:34:11] royt | darn hotel wireless nets [08:34:16] akorphan | I've given up trying anything else. [08:35:31] ---| ---> kgs [n=chatzill@wsip-70-164-25-117.ri.ri.cox.net] has joined #code4lib [08:35:47] Kerwick | Is the conference paying for the wireless connection that we are using for "free" or was it a perk for having the conference here? 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[08:46:36] mbklein | @known [08:46:37] zoia mbklein: I know URIs for the following users: Baroquem, BigD, BillDueber, JodiS, MrDys, abarrera, akorphan, anarchivist, asnagy, atz, bess, cazzerson, cbeer, charper, dlovins, ecorrado, ejk, escowles, fak3r, flighty, gsf, jphipps, jstroop, kgs, ksclarke, lbjay, liza31337, mbklein, mjg_, pmurray, ranti, robcaSSon, rsinger, scolford, smkiewel, tomkeays, wickr, wtd, zoia [08:46:49] anarchivist | @quote random [08:46:50] zoia | anarchivist: Quote #1727: " BillDueber: the dumbest, simplest thing that might possibly work!" (added by dbs at 01:53 PM, February 24, 2009) [08:47:11] MrDys | ecorrado has his MC jacket on [08:47:27] ---| ---> caroldotou [n=carol@wsip-70-164-25-90.ri.ri.cox.net] has joined #code4lib [08:47:38] mbklein | trick_microphone++ [08:47:48] ---| ---> kevin7kal [n=kevin7ka@300bd-210.tlt.psu.edu] has joined #code4lib [08:47:52] MrDys | rock the mic [08:48:17] ejk | @sing beastie boys: pass the mic [08:48:19] zoia | True Feelings Are Shown From The Way That I Talk / And This Is Me, Y'All - I M.C., Y'All / My Name Is M.C.A. And I Still Do What I Please / And Now I'd Like To Introduce I'll Pass The Mic To D. For A Fist Full Of Truth [08:48:23] anarchivist | @quote random [08:48:23] zoia | New news from planetcode4lib: Matienzo, Mark: Make Me A Structured Vocabulary Or I’ll Make One For You [08:48:24] zoia | anarchivist: Quote #611: " I have a monkey chimney broker, who looks around for the best monkey to put up my chimney" (added by rsinger at 04:25 PM, January 10, 2007) [08:48:32] ---| ---> MikeTaylor [i=46a4190c@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-a44ac2b78e2ea1f8] has joined #code4lib [08:48:32] fak3r | *clap* [08:48:41] ---| ---> highermath_c4l09 [i=46a41915@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-b3a60eb156768542] has joined #code4lib [08:48:54] ---| ---> emcrens [n=eric@wsip-70-184-233-44.ks.ks.cox.net] has joined #code4lib [08:48:57] mbklein | Hey, you, with the clap. Get outta here. [08:49:04] anarchivist | mbklein-- [08:49:05] ---| ---> rsinger [n=rsinger@wsip-70-164-25-53.ri.ri.cox.net] has joined #code4lib [08:49:23] royt | this wireless net is teh suck [08:49:32] fak3r | mbklein: now you have to say something like, "i haven't seen such and such, since such and such, such and such - I mean come on people!" [08:49:45] mbklein | royt: The hamsters are running as fast as they can. [08:49:53] MrDys | work klaus nomi into that reference [08:49:54] anarchivist | royt: get oclc to pay for more hamsters [08:50:06] MrDys | uberlin [08:50:08] fak3r | royt: we need a network4lib team next year [08:50:08] ---| User: *** pmurray_away is now known as pmurray [08:50:09] ---| ---> was [n=was@smtp.gfn.org] has joined #code4lib [08:50:09] jfereira | hampsterdance++ [08:50:17] ---| ---> joshuashaw [n=chatzill@wsip-70-164-25-37.ri.ri.cox.net] has joined #code4lib [08:50:20] anarchivist | safety_dance-- [08:50:22] MikeTaylor | Why no species-diversity scholarship? [08:50:32] fak3r | MikeTaylor++ [08:50:37] mbklein | badgers badgers badgers badgers badgers badgers badgers badgers badgers badgers badgers MUSHROOM MUSHROOM [08:50:38] anarchivist | MikeTaylor: that's next year [08:50:42] pmurray | @known [08:50:42] zoia pmurray: I know URIs for the following users: Baroquem, BigD, BillDueber, JodiS, MrDys, abarrera, akorphan, anarchivist, asnagy, atz, bess, cazzerson, cbeer, charper, dlovins, ecorrado, ejk, escowles, fak3r, flighty, gsf, jphipps, jstroop, kgs, ksclarke, lbjay, liza31337, mbklein, mjg_, pmurray, ranti, robcaSSon, rsinger, scolford, smkiewel, tomkeays, wickr, wtd, zoia [08:50:45] BigD | english majors! [08:50:49] ---| User: *** joshuashaw is now known as jdshaw [08:50:57] kgs | english_majors++ [08:50:58] rsinger | lbjay: your foaf is broken, i think [08:50:58] ---| ---> dhanu [i=46a41939@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-cca8d2f155a52fe6] has joined #code4lib [08:51:01] anarchivist | @votes2010 [08:51:03] zoia | anarchivist: is that some kinda fucked up sparql query? [08:51:05] fak3r | no, 60% [08:51:05] anarchivist | @hosts2010 [08:51:06] zoia | anarchivist: Asheville, NC [209]; Austin, TX [186]; Madison, WI [165]; Columbus, OH [113]; Bloomington, IN [94] [08:51:07] lbjay | hmm [08:51:08] ---| ---> jtgorman [n=chatzill@libstfsys11.library.uiuc.edu] has joined #code4lib [08:51:09] zoia | Mortals! Tremble in fear, fer ye doom approaches! th' skies gunna burn, th' seven seas boil! He arr....oh, sorry thought it was someone else. 'tis just jtgorman. [08:51:10] ---| ---> wtd [n=chatzill@wsip-70-164-25-78.ri.ri.cox.net] has joined #code4lib [08:51:12] anarchivist | WOOO ASHEVILLE [08:51:16] fak3r | diabold mentioned [08:51:18] anarchivist | C4LIBBERS GONE WILD [08:51:20] BigD | how the heck is NV beating austin?!? [08:51:24] MikeTaylor | Is there a page documenting the special commands for zoia, e.g. what is the URI associated with JodiS? [08:51:26] ---| ---> robcaSSon [i=46a4190c@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-59c99f6a21159731] has joined #code4lib [08:51:34] jtgorman | oh crap, meant to vote yesterday [08:51:34] anarchivist | BigD: better barbecue [08:51:40] JodiS | MikeTaylor: there's a little at http://code4lib.org/irc [08:51:41] rsinger | lbjay: scratch that -- maybe not [08:51:41] MrDys | I...wonder.... [08:51:43] JodiS | @list [08:51:44] zoia | JodiS: Acronym, Admin, Amazon, Anagram, Anonymous, Assorted, AudioScrobbler, Band, Calais, Channel, ChannelLogger, Config, CyborgName, DBpedia, Debian, Delicious, Dict, Disemvowel, Dunno, Eef, Etymology, FOAF, Filter, Games, GasPrices, Google, Herald, Insult, Internet, IsItDown, Karma, Kombat, Later, LibraryThing, Linux, Lisppaste, Lolz, MARC, Math, Misc, Motivate, NACO, Nickometer, OCLC, OpenDict, Owner, Pirate, Poll, Praise, (1 more message) [08:51:48] robcaSSon | @hosts2010 [08:51:49] zoia | robcaSSon: Asheville, NC [209]; Austin, TX [186]; Madison, WI [165]; Columbus, OH [113]; Bloomington, IN [94] [08:51:50] ---| <<-- dchud [n=dchud@wsip-70-164-25-31.ri.ri.cox.net] has quit () [08:51:52] pmurray | @excuse [08:51:53] zoia | pmurray: My excuse for today is "HMOs" [08:51:55] JodiS | @list FOAF [08:51:56] zoia | JodiS: common, foaf, forget, know, known, knows, and predicates [08:52:12] JodiS | MikeTaylor: more documentation would be awesome... [08:52:16] anarchivist | @pirate [ lolz [ obama ] ] [08:52:20] fak3r | ballot stuffing is not a laughing matter [08:52:20] kgs | common interest JodiS kgs [08:52:20] ---| <<-- royt [i=46a4190c@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-a73c997c1f3c61fe] has quit ("http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client") [08:52:22] ---| ---> gbilder [i=46a4190c@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-9c448834190777f7] has joined #code4lib [08:52:28] * JodiS has no interests at present [08:52:40] JodiS | maybe post-presentation I'll get interested in something or other... [08:52:41] kgs | common interest royt kgs [08:52:44] pmurray | @common interest kgs pmurray [08:52:55] BigD | but bloomington has a White Castle!!! 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[08:53:28] ---| ---> jchen [i=46a4190c@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-c222360cfec4b39a] has joined #code4lib [08:53:31] lbjay | rsinger: no it was failing [08:53:33] fak3r | time to get a better search engine [08:53:36] anarchivist | a turtle wearing a thong [08:53:41] ---| ---> cbarr [i=46a4190c@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-d9b834efe037a8eb] has joined #code4lib [08:53:41] mbklein | zoia's hung up on either pirate or lolz it seems [08:53:42] ---| ---> decasm_nomad [n=decasm@wsip-70-164-25-110.ri.ri.cox.net] has joined #code4lib [08:53:44] akorphan | dongle++ [08:53:45] lbjay | rsinger: s/xmlsn/xmlns/ [08:53:50] fak3r | macs are generally the issue [08:53:50] anarchivist | @obama [08:53:51] zoia | anarchivist: BARACK OBAMA WARMED UP YOUR CAR FOR YOU [08:53:51] akorphan | dongle in a thongle [08:53:52] ---| <<-- jbrinley [i=46a4190c@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-61c2eac51cfc93a8] has quit ("http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client") [08:53:52] rsinger | lbjay: ah, ok [08:53:59] JodiS | @acronym T.H.I.S. [08:54:00] Baroquem | Who's the best person to go to for a question about using the WorldCat registry API to look up openurl resolvers? [08:54:01] zoia | JodiS: An error has occurred and has been logged. Please contact this bot's administrator for more information. [08:54:01] BigD | anarchivist: mmm, aged white castles! [08:54:01] akorphan | happy_hour++ [08:54:05] decasm_nomad | wow. i was able to get on with pidgin! [08:54:08] MrDys | @cyborg this [08:54:10] zoia | MrDys: T.H.I.S.: Technician Hardwired for Infiltration and Sabotage [08:54:18] akorphan | @cyborg dongle [08:54:20] lbjay | @ana [08:54:20] zoia | akorphan: D.O.N.G.L.E.: Digital Operational Neohuman Generated for Logical Exploration [08:54:20] anarchivist | BigD: i've got one in my neighborhood [08:54:21] zoia | lbjay: Error: I tried to send you an empty message. [08:54:22] JodiS | dlovins: dunno... how do you get an acronym from zoia, folks? [08:54:25] fak3r | sarcastic laughing noted [08:54:25] ejk | vote.code4lib.org/login = "We're sorry, but something went wrong." [08:54:26] anarchivist | never touch another man's dongle [08:54:30] JodiS | akorphan++ [08:54:31] MikeTaylor | My lame colleague brought me a Heinekin last night. [08:54:32] anarchivist | JodiS: @actonym [08:54:33] anarchivist | err [08:54:35] robcaSSon | royt++ [08:54:37] anarchivist | @acronym anarchivist [08:54:39] rsinger @foaf lbjay foafro [08:54:39] zoia | anarchivist: An error has occurred and has been logged. Please contact this bot's administrator for more information. [08:54:41] fak3r | anarchivist: not that there's anything wrong with that [08:54:41] zoia rsinger: lbjay : [08:54:41] JodiS | mjg: you tracking ejg's problem? [08:54:41] * jtgorman has yet again thrown some votes towards the pretty much impossible one [08:54:42] ---| ---> jbrinley [n=adelie@havok.dreamhost.com] has joined #code4lib [08:54:49] ---| ---> skoczko2 [i=46a41916@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-fcaded0f80140c7b] has joined #code4lib [08:55:00] kgs | @lolz [mccainize [wunder 32301]] [08:55:00] anarchivist | casual_ejm++ [08:55:01] fak3r | I noticed *now* [08:55:03] rsinger | ah, only foaf ns [08:55:07] jtgorman | unless OCLC folks are being clever and holding themselves in reserve for the last moment, altering all their votes so that it just looks like the others are ahead [08:55:09] pmurray | jtgorman++ # Throwing votes [08:55:17] zoia | kgs: MAH FRENZ, TEH CURRENT TEMPERACHUR IN TALLAHASEE, FLORIDA IZ 48.2°F (7:53 IZ EST ON FEBRUARY 25, 2009). CONDISHUNS: MOSTLY CLOUDY. HUMIDITY: 77%. DEW POINT: 42.8°F. WINDCHILL: 48.2°F. PRESURE: 30.33 IN 1027 HPA (RISIN). [08:55:29] lbjay | @foaf lbjay ov:foafro [08:55:30] fak3r | OCLC != TLA [08:55:31] zoia | lbjay: lbjay : [08:55:35] ---| ---> chickmarkley [n=chickmar@wsip-70-164-25-70.ri.ri.cox.net] has joined #code4lib [08:55:36] dlovins | MrDys++ [08:55:42] akorphan | Does zoia have a Palinizing function? [08:55:45] MikeTaylor | Index Data++ @-) [08:55:50] jbrinley | @palin [08:55:51] zoia | jbrinley: SARAH PALIN IS YOUR NEW MORNING AFTER [08:55:55] fak3r | he wrote Yazz? Upstairs at Erics? [08:55:57] jfereira | you betcha [08:55:58] ---| ---> eby_ [n=ebyr@c-71-206-107-74.hsd1.mi.comcast.net] has joined #code4lib [08:55:58] ---| ---> cbeer [n=chris@ratherinsane.com] has joined #code4lib [08:56:05] ---| ---> escowles [i=46a41974@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-560f6bc55a567075] has joined #code4lib [08:56:10] ---| ---> kreiss [i=46a4190c@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-c8e8570902ba2d57] has joined #code4lib [08:56:11] MikeTaylor | Not only that, he is insanely tall. [08:56:11] anarchivist | @lolz [ embed [obamit [mccainize [pirate [obama ] ] ] ]] [08:56:12] MrDys | @sing yaz [08:56:14] ---| ---> harmless [i=46a4190c@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-44723ee88a80d419] has joined #code4lib [08:56:27] ---| <<-- dbs [n=dan@pdpc/supporter/active/dbs] has quit ("Ex-Chat") [08:56:33] fak3r | skills to pay the bills are also good to have [08:56:40] ---| ---> fjt [i=46a4190c@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-607392c7f42df1a7] has joined #code4lib [08:56:40] robcaSSon | MrDys++ [08:56:44] * jtgorman smells frosted flakes [08:56:45] anarchivist | Z39.50 has a possee [08:56:49] lbjay | anarchivist: are your dvcs slides somewhere? [08:56:54] anarchivist | s/e$/ [08:57:01] anarchivist | lbjay: i can upload 'em [08:57:14] MrDys | robcaSSon: how's your typhoid? [08:57:15] zoia | anarchivist: An error has occurred and has been logged. Please contact this bot's administrator for more information. [08:57:15] anarchivist | lbjay: right now they're a 60 meg pdf file [08:57:21] zoia | like letting go / but when it comes right down to it, baby / who wants to know? (no-one) / (chorus) [08:57:25] robcaSSon | MrDys: much better. [08:57:28] fak3r | bigtable++ [08:57:32] anarchivist | rob "typhoid mary" caSSon [08:57:34] MrDys | ate like The Kinks? [08:57:37] JodiS | Baroquem: royt can tell you who to talk to [08:57:39] ---| ---> tomkeays [i=46a4190c@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-abcd62a25e3eaafd] has joined #code4lib [08:57:40] anarchivist | MrDys++ [08:57:44] BigD | MrDys: with Lola [08:57:46] JodiS | @ana ahead of his time [08:57:47] zoia | JodiS: I am the hide of as [08:57:50] ---| ---> cdc [i=46a4190c@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-e64ded56ec968e41] has joined #code4lib [08:57:54] ---| ---> idlynn [i=46a41977@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-6183cde405d13678] has joined #code4lib [08:58:03] ---| ---> mib_xxmepy6r [i=46a4190c@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-06bd762210e8c788] has joined #code4lib [08:58:05] lbjay | anarchivist: cool. later then i guess [08:58:14] fak3r | height++ [08:58:16] ---| ---> cschx [i=46a4190c@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-c492d347a8884213] has joined #code4lib [08:58:24] pmurray | @pirate [lolz [mccainize [obamit [kgs [dick [embed [canuck [excuse]]]]]]]] [08:58:28] MikeTaylor | We've ben release OSS4LIB at least since 1995/06/19, the release date of YAZ 1.0 [08:58:32] BigD | how's the weather up there? [08:58:42] robcaSSon | indexdata++ [08:58:42] anarchivist | indexdata++ [08:58:46] ---| ---> gszcxv [i=46a4190c@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-a14ef65dafc12969] has joined #code4lib [08:58:47] jfereira | bacon4lunch++ [08:58:53] JodiS | ejk: Still having a problem at vote.code4lib.org/login ? Did you login at code4lib.org first? [08:59:02] pmurray | pmurray-- # May have broken zoia [08:59:02] Kerwick | zebra++ [08:59:04] ---| ---> mib_ja6ph2eb [i=46a4190c@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-b1b57a1909132ab8] has joined #code4lib [08:59:10] ---| ---> epoz [i=46a41911@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-e7753bb807566bd8] has joined #code4lib [08:59:11] JodiS | indexdata++ #for opensourcing lots of stuff [08:59:17] ---| ---> mib_fe7m7txz [i=46a4190c@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-44568bdada5578ee] has joined #code4lib [08:59:20] fak3r | speaker_looking_at_audience++ [08:59:24] ---| User: *** mib_fe7m7txz is now known as royt [08:59:26] zoia | pmurray: An error has occurred 'n has be logged. Please contact 'tis bot's administrator fer more information. [08:59:30] ---| ---> ejlynema [i=46a4190c@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-1eba6ff3f5522913] has joined #code4lib [08:59:37] jbrinley | does that mean I have to look back? [08:59:42] fak3r | panic on the streets of london [08:59:49] fak3r | noblog-- [08:59:49] ---| ---> rosy1280 [i=46a4190c@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-47ad2f890d568b42] has joined #code4lib [08:59:53] MikeTaylor | Yeah, he is. He's just being modest. [09:00:02] pmurray | @pirate [lolz [mccainize [obamit [kgs [dick [embed [canuck [palin]]]]]]]] [09:00:07] ---| ---> timmcgeary [i=46a4190c@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-d36bbd317af46fa3] has joined #code4lib [09:00:18] MikeTaylor | Anyway, Seb does have a blog, at indexdata.wordpress.com -- he just never posts on it. [09:00:28] BigD | "if you have something to say, you should release it as code" ha! [09:00:34] royt | pmurray-- # overly recursive zoia commands [09:00:34] zoia | pmurray: An error has occurred 'n has be logged. Please contact 'tis bot's administrator fer more information. [09:00:37] JodiS | :) [09:00:38] ---| User: *** jbrinley is now known as jbirnley_ [09:00:41] JodiS | MikeTaylor++ [09:00:56] ---| ---> jbrinley [i=46a4190c@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-1472a4fac055ce1f] has joined #code4lib [09:01:00] fak3r | he could just reload the same slide to test if ppl were paying attention [09:01:02] pmurray | royt: Yeah -- no doubt. [09:01:06] highermath_c4 | Ah, single use slides [09:01:07] pmurray | pmurray-- # For trying again [09:01:09] anarchivist | faulty_dongle+ [09:01:10] fak3r | can ya'll see that in the back? [09:01:14] anarchivist | faulty_dongle++ [09:01:23] ---| User: *** jbirnley_ is now known as not_jbrinley [09:01:26] rsinger | cofee+ [09:01:27] BigD | anarchivist: there are pills for that [09:01:35] mib_ja6ph2eb | nice contrast [09:01:36] BigD | mjgiarlo sells them [09:01:37] fak3r | fullscreen_ftw [09:01:40] ---| ---> mib_2e038qzc [i=46a4190c@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-92648fb71b1564c0] has joined #code4lib [09:01:44] JodiS | @quote add If you have something to say, you should release it as code. [09:01:44] zoia | JodiS: The operation succeeded. Quote #1735 added. [09:01:47] Kerwick | dongle_viagra++ [09:01:50] ---| ---> lxming [n=liux@132-174-199-77.ip.oclc.org] has joined #code4lib [09:01:51] fak3r | only a few? [09:01:53] ejk | JodiS: I logged out of code4lib.org and logged in again and it worked [09:01:58] ---| User: *** edc_detached is now known as ecorrado [09:02:16] * ecorrado having issues connecting to IRC directly today [09:02:17] anarchivist | BigD: i thought that was abarrera [09:02:19] ecorrado | :-( [09:02:22] fak3r | double vision maybe [09:02:24] JodiS | ejk: great! thanks for sharing problems, and resolution, both [09:02:42] mib_ja6ph2eb | The right screen is in soft focus. [09:02:43] BigD | anarchivist: abarrera is selling diet pills [09:03:04] JodiS | MikeTaylor: "not very often", indeed :) [09:03:05] anarchivist | BigD: sweet, i need to watch my figure [09:03:37] ---| ---> BillDueber [n=dueberb@waffle.umdl.umich.edu] has joined #code4lib [09:03:43] * ecorrado glad he didn't lose his dongle [09:03:54] ---| ---> fak3r_ [i=phil@wsip-70-164-25-92.ri.ri.cox.net] has joined #code4lib [09:03:58] ---| ---> bjy [i=46a4190c@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-6f964edd4954688c] has joined #code4lib [09:04:03] fak3r | woot, I'm in under irssi [09:04:05] ---| ---> mmmmmrob [n=mmmmmrob@82-36-211-60.cable.ubr04.king.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #code4lib [09:04:06] ---| <<-- fak3r [i=46a4195c@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-34715973842a02cd] has quit ("http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client") [09:04:13] ---| User: *** fak3r_ is now known as fak3r [09:04:13] JodiS | @quote search release [09:04:17] zoia | JodiS: 4 found: #1031: " I find it sad when people just free...", #13: "< roy> i mean i think they just announced a...", #1735: "If you have something to say, you should...", and #651: "< eby> i'll be damned if i'm posting press..." [09:04:27] JodiS | @quote get 1735 [09:04:28] zoia | JodiS: Quote #1735: "If you have something to say, you should release it as code." (added by JodiS at 09:01 AM, February 25, 2009) [09:04:30] royt | fak3r++ [09:04:36] anarchivist | @quote search dongle [09:04:36] JodiS | @quote remove 1735 [09:04:39] ecorrado | @quote search indexdata [09:04:39] zoia | anarchivist: 3 found: #1206: "< mjgiarlo> jingle-jangle with the django dongle!", #1716: " i have my dongle, i have everything", and #1728: " use your django jangle dongle to..." [09:04:42] zoia | JodiS: The operation succeeded. [09:04:43] zoia | ecorrado: 1 found: #1021: " i love the indexdata folks, zebra is a..." [09:04:45] ---| <<-- BillDueber [n=dueberb@waffle.umdl.umich.edu] has quit (Remote closed the connection) [09:04:46] smkiewel | could someone unblock my code4lib acct pls? same as nick [09:04:56] jtgorman | or sing [09:05:00] ecorrado | @quote get 1021 [09:05:01] zoia | ecorrado: Quote #1021: " i love the indexdata folks, zebra is a bad idea." (added by a user that is no longer registered at 09:42 AM, September 26, 2007) [09:05:10] JodiS | @quote add I guess I've always thought that if you have something to say, you should release it as code. [09:05:10] wickr | smkiewel: just a sec [09:05:10] zoia | JodiS: The operation succeeded. Quote #1736 added. [09:05:13] jtgorman | I think singing solutions should be allowed as well as code [09:05:22] ---| <<-- gbilder [i=46a4190c@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-9c448834190777f7] has quit ("http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client") [09:05:30] * ecorrado in favor of interpertive dance [09:05:36] robcaSSon | pazpar2++ [09:05:45] * kat3 loves XML examples, no matter what [09:05:48] * robcaSSon is in the future [09:05:49] JodiS | wickr++ [09:05:52] BigD | kat3: me2 [09:05:53] ---| ---> bseitz [i=46a4190c@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-43aa81f22c09cff3] has joined #code4lib [09:05:54] anarchivist | pazpar2++ [09:05:55] anarchivist | pazpar2++ [09:06:05] ---| ---> BillDueber [n=dueberb@waffle.umdl.umich.edu] has joined #code4lib [09:06:09] ecorrado | irssi++ [09:06:11] ---| ---> steambadger [i=46a4190c@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-45f20ccbeef50a13] has joined #code4lib [09:06:17] MikeTaylor | Tim @ LibraryThiing, if you're here -- can you explain why you don't likew us to call this metasearching? [09:06:18] * mbklein now wishes that, when the technical difficulties started, he had just gone with "People / People who know people / Are the FOAF-iest people / in the world..." [09:06:25] ejk | irssi++ [09:06:33] ---| ---> _ksclarke [i=46a4190c@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-5a2dd1afe2e9e4b7] has joined #code4lib [09:06:41] ---| ---> mjg_ [i=46a4190c@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-08491d9bd58aa081] has joined #code4lib [09:06:49] ---| ---> mikeybe [i=46a4192a@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-18deca3b00eb8012] has joined #code4lib [09:06:49] mbklein | MikeTaylor: If Tim doesn't answer, I'll take a stab at it. :) [09:06:50] * jbrinley wonders if connecting using the alternate pre-conf wifi code is why his ports are still blocked [09:06:52] fak3r | page loading? [09:07:02] jbrinley | and how do I change that? [09:07:03] ---| ---> btw [i=46a4190c@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-ac67b7b11aa89449] has joined #code4lib [09:07:12] fak3r | jbrinley: I don't think so, I did the same. [09:07:14] anarchivist | pz2++ [09:07:19] rsinger | jbrinley: that's what i use [09:07:21] wickr | smkiewel: you should be good now, let me know if you have any problems (or yell at me from across the table) [09:07:25] rsinger | jbrinley: and it seems fine [09:07:27] edsu | MikeTaylor: maybe because LT searches are over an aggregated view? and metasearch only happesn when looking for records to aggregate? [09:07:31] BillDueber | jbrinley: My ports are also blocked -- I'm stuck with ssh tunnels. [09:07:37] fak3r | jbrinley: are you in winders? what is it, ipconfig /release, renew all? [09:07:40] highermath_c4 | xml+- [09:07:45] ---| <<-- mib_ja6ph2eb [i=46a4190c@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-b1b57a1909132ab8] has quit ("http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client") [09:07:52] MikeTaylor | edsu: sorry, I don't understand the distinction. [09:08:01] robcaSSon | pazpar2 is seriously cool shit, btw [09:08:01] ---| <<-- mbklein [i=46a41918@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-c6eace4ffa929ab2] has quit ("http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client") [09:08:03] JodiS | MikeTaylor & edsu: federated search distinguished from metasearch [09:08:07] fak3r | search for "hot dog" [09:08:11] ---| User: *** robcaSSon is now known as indexdata_fanboy [09:08:16] ---| <<-- gugek [n=gugek@adsl-221-108-16.rmo.bellsouth.net] has quit () [09:08:21] ---| ---> dchud [n=dchud@wsip-70-164-25-31.ri.ri.cox.net] has joined #code4lib [09:08:21] MikeTaylor | Woah! That XML is to complex! [09:08:23] ---| ---> mbklein [n=mbklein@wsip-70-164-25-24.ri.ri.cox.net] has joined #code4lib [09:08:24] fak3r | short URL field-- [09:08:25] ---| ---> abarrera [i=46a4190c@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-b667cb8063c12cb0] has joined #code4lib [09:08:29] anarchivist | MikeTaylor++ [09:08:31] highermath_c4 | mmm user-freindly [09:08:31] ejk | OK [09:08:32] fak3r | MikeTaylor: I can't read it... [09:08:35] rsinger | couldn't this just be done with HTTP? [09:08:39] * ecorrado can even write that xml code [09:08:59] rsinger | MikeTaylor: that was intended for you [09:09:23] mbklein | @known BigD [09:09:24] anarchivist | rsinger: always a wet blanket [09:09:24] zoia | mbklein: BigD's URI is [09:09:33] indexdata_fan | anarchivist++ [09:09:37] rsinger | yeah [09:09:41] jtgorman | are three still the two liblime presentations? I seem to remember something about some of the people not being able to make it [09:09:42] mbklein | readable_xml++ [09:09:43] mib_xxmepy6r | http://www.indexdata.dk/pazpar2/ [09:09:44] * jtgorman sigs [09:09:46] BillDueber | anarchivist: And of course, you don't want to know why it's wet [09:09:47] rsinger | teh suxx0r [09:09:57] JodiS | jtgorman: check the schedule http://code4lib.org/conference/2009/schedule [09:09:58] * jtgorman is in a bad state this morning and he doesn't know why [09:10:03] anarchivist | indexdata_fanboy++ [09:10:08] ecorrado | jtgorman: kados is filling in for galen [09:10:14] * rsinger was mostly just curious [09:10:16] jtgorman | ecorrado: ah, ok [09:10:23] ---| User: *** indexdata_fanboy is now known as robcaSSon [09:10:23] anarchivist | "a cool ranch"? [09:10:26] anarchivist | mm [09:10:28] anarchivist | cool ranch [09:10:41] BillDueber | "The mormon church, of all things" [09:10:58] ---| ---> charper [i=46a4190c@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-f168ad803e1f3608] has joined #code4lib [09:11:00] anarchivist | noble_savages++ [09:11:05] MikeTaylor | Independent Man is even taller than Seb. [09:11:07] BigD | i look like that when i work out [09:11:09] fak3r | the shot is kinda taken out of context [09:11:10] mbklein | That guy's gotta be FREEZING. [09:11:12] jtgorman | wow [09:11:13] ---| ---> truk77 [n=knordstr@dynamic-129-120-92-181.dynamic.unt.edu] has joined #code4lib [09:11:17] BigD | where's abarrera? [09:11:26] fak3r | can't have enough tshirts [09:11:36] cschx | guesses XXL [09:11:40] BillDueber | No man needs more than 11 tshirts [09:11:41] ---| ---> Scurvy [i=46a4190c@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-00803d24b4ef950d] has joined #code4lib [09:11:41] robcaSSon | BigD: looking for his child support [09:11:42] jfereira | did he just say genital sense? [09:11:42] anarchivist | BigD: hustling to buy more diet pills [09:11:52] fak3r | jfereira: likely [09:11:54] mib_xxmepy6r | roger williams? [09:11:55] abarrera | robcaSSon++ [09:11:58] abarrera | anarchivist++ [09:12:08] decasm_nomad | genital sense is the 9th sense [09:12:14] ---| ---> endupok [i=46a4190c@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-a719a52bb767fc67] has joined #code4lib [09:12:23] fak3r | I would go with remarkable, but... [09:12:37] ejk | Independant Man is watching you walk to dinner [09:12:45] truk77 | keynote currently going on? I wasn't able to make it out this year [09:12:47] fak3r | how many seats do these people really need? [09:12:49] * robcaSSon is guessing oclc, btw [09:12:49] MikeTaylor | It's true ... as a company, the way we celebrate is by attending conferences. [09:12:52] ---| ---> tsierra [n=tsierra@tsierra.lib.ncsu.edu] has joined #code4lib [09:12:53] anarchivist | truk77: yeah [09:12:59] fak3r | MikeTaylor: and sitting [09:13:01] ---| <<-- endupok [i=46a4190c@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-a719a52bb767fc67] has quit (Client Quit) [09:13:08] fak3r | MikeTaylor: and eating candy. [09:13:08] akorphan | ("Sebastian", "preferred t-shirt size", "xl") [09:13:15] fak3r | akorphan++ [09:13:15] anarchivist | robcaSSon: sersol maybe [09:13:16] smkiewel | wickr: thx - it's working now [09:13:19] * rosy1280 wants a spear [09:13:25] truk77 | must be HammerTime then [09:13:30] rsinger | akorphan: can you express that in PQN? [09:13:40] MikeTaylor | You can express ANYTHING in PQN! [09:13:46] BillDueber | Was teh architect also working in Brazil? [09:13:46] robcaSSon | anarchivist: maybe. oclc is going with pazpar2 for their fedsearch in worldcat local too [09:13:46] ---| ---> reeset [i=46a4190c@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-1b13075f40cb44e0] has joined #code4lib [09:13:47] anarchivist | please_hammer_dont_hurt_em++ [09:13:53] fak3r | unsupported dome? sounds like some software I've used before [09:13:56] highermath_c4 | I didn't know that [09:13:56] fak3r | marc slam [09:13:57] ---| ---> endupok [i=46a4190c@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-c90bfbb82dc48102] has joined #code4lib [09:14:01] anarchivist | robcaSSon: o rly? [09:14:05] ---| <<-- jdshaw [n=chatzill@wsip-70-164-25-37.ri.ri.cox.net] has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) [09:14:23] abarrera | is he describing BigD? [09:14:27] anarchivist | abarrera++ [09:14:28] BigD | sounds like me on the weekends [09:14:37] BigD | dammit, u type fast [09:14:38] BigD | ;) [09:14:48] mbklein | It's only unsupported because of the big BETA! badge. [09:14:49] anarchivist | BigD: see, you are more of a club kid than i am [09:14:56] abarrera | BigD: cause my hands aren't on two bagels like yours [09:15:01] steambadger | Can you express existential angst in PQN? [09:15:01] fak3r | Interesting tidbit: one of the architect's names was art vandelia [09:15:05] kat3 | guys with pants dont belong on buildings [09:15:19] MrDys | lousy newspapers [09:15:20] mbklein | fak3r: Isn't he an importer/exporter? [09:15:25] ---| <<-- harmless [i=46a4190c@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-44723ee88a80d419] has quit ("http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client") [09:15:25] mib_xxmepy6r | if i was a bird i would total perch on that dude's head [09:15:26] mjg_ | fak3r: took a break from the latex import/export biz? [09:15:27] anarchivist | @quote add < MikeTaylor> You can express ANYTHING in PQN! [09:15:28] zoia | anarchivist: The operation succeeded. Quote #1737 added. [09:15:31] BillDueber | fak3r: I love his onions. [09:15:33] rosy1280 | pants are overrated [09:15:42] MikeTaylor | What are Independent Man's super-powers? Can he do his own tech-support? [09:15:56] rsinger | i have been quoted at a talis internal conference that i work "pants optional" [09:15:57] * anarchivist is living a pants-free life [09:16:06] BillDueber | I see the spear, but where's the magic helmet? [09:16:06] fak3r | library hackers? [09:16:07] steambadger | What about righteous indignation? Can you express righteous indignation in PQN? [09:16:16] abarrera | anarchivist [09:16:18] lbjay | roger_williams++ # i love this [09:16:24] jstroop | magic helmet? [09:16:28] fak3r | too religiously thinking - how can that be? [09:16:29] abarrera | anarchivist: please don't do that for the next how to meet people at c4l talk [09:16:40] rsinger | spear and magic helmet! [09:16:40] anarchivist | abarrera: step 1 [09:16:48] anarchivist | take off pants [09:16:48] BigD | anarchivist: at least wear the boots [09:16:49] dchud | i heard roger williams can configure metasearch target connections without consulting documentation [09:16:50] jstroop | magic helmet? [09:16:53] anarchivist | abarrera: step 2: ??? [09:16:58] anarchivist | step 3: profit! [09:16:58] royt | an atheist is too religious free thinking [09:17:09] MikeTaylor | I have another lightning talk this afternoon ... shall I do the whole thing in PQN? [09:17:11] mbklein | THAT's how he's bringing this back to code4lib! [09:17:13] fak3r | royt: that's what I was trying to say, but failed it. [09:17:16] rosy1280 | i think rhode islanders are still that way [09:17:19] anarchivist | MikeTaylor: yes [09:17:23] abarrera | BigD: just don't put a $1 in anarchivists' roythong [09:17:25] fak3r | horay for hating! [09:17:26] BillDueber | jstroop: Elmer Fudd. Spear and Magic Helmet. Bugs Bunny opera. [09:17:27] rsinger | MikeTaylor: OMG yes [09:17:27] mbklein | "Founded by a bunch of people who don't really like each other." [09:17:34] ecorrado | if c4l10 is in Austin, we can all where cwboy hats [09:17:39] fak3r | BillDueber++ [09:17:42] epoz | trivia moment: dudes in lion skins often represent Hercules [09:17:43] robcaSSon | mbklein: code4lib [09:17:48] BigD | ecorrado: and no pants [09:17:49] anarchivist | epoz++ [09:17:56] lbjay | I hate everyone in this channel [09:18:03] jstroop | BillDueber: I get it--was trying to reinact [09:18:03] fak3r | lbjay++ [09:18:09] kat3 | ecorrado: can? more like required to [09:18:09] mjg_ | Finally a place where my chaps are kind of not abnormal. [09:18:12] highermath_c4 | coon-skin caps ++ [09:18:13] jbrinley @foaf lbjay hates [09:18:14] zoia jbrinley: lbjay : [09:18:15] anarchivist | http://anarchivist.enjoysthin.gs/30985 [09:18:19] mbklein | robcaSSon: Exactly [09:18:20] BillDueber | jstroop++ , BillDueber-- [09:18:27] dchud | lbjay: me, i'm LOVIN' EVERY MINUTE OF IT [09:18:32] rosy1280 we hate you too lbjay [09:18:36] ecorrado | kat3: can is a nice way of saying you will [09:18:37] rsinger | dchud++ [09:18:37] MrDys | that's some happening teenage years [09:18:39] MikeTaylor | Seb knew how to party when he was a teenager, [09:18:44] jbrinley | lbjay: your foaf needs some updating, then [09:18:47] ---| <<-- Cicer0 [i=46a4190c@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-f4edea606089c39e] has quit ("http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client") [09:18:49] rsinger | dchud: i mean, we're just a bunch of folks WORKING FOR THE WEEKEND [09:18:57] dchud | haw haw! [09:19:02] lbjay | rsinger++ [09:19:03] mbklein | <#IndependentMan> [09:19:04] jtgorman | speaking of pants, I had the disturbing image this morning when scanning through my feedreader, thanks to kgs, of all the folks at the code4lib conference wearing short shorts. [09:19:07] ecorrado | we should have bloddy mary's with breakfast [09:19:22] fak3r | ecorrado++ [09:19:24] * anarchivist was abusing glue behind the 7-eleven [09:19:26] ---| <<-- ccatalfo [i=46a4190c@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-cb89811f72f8d7d9] has quit ("http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client") [09:19:31] ---| <<-- chickmarkley [n=chickmar@wsip-70-164-25-70.ri.ri.cox.net] has quit () [09:19:35] lbjay | @sing kenny rogers : islands in the stream [09:19:37] zoia | Honest love, we feel, needs no conversation / And we ride it together, uh huh / Making love with each other, uh huh / Islands in the stream, that is what we are [09:19:46] robcaSSon | anarchivist: that was last night [09:19:46] * kat3 needs to buy a hat now [09:19:47] anarchivist | jtgorman: my short shorts are in my room [09:19:50] BigD | uh huh [09:19:50] jbrinley | @pirate [sing [randtune]] [09:19:53] jfereira | @sing Randy Newman [09:19:57] ---| ---> mjg_1 [n=mjg@wsip-70-164-25-49.ri.ri.cox.net] has joined #code4lib [09:20:10] highermath_c4 | ecorrado: it's not too late. Call room service [09:20:15] edsu | MikeTaylor: perhaps i've never understood metasearch, but i always assumed it would trigger live queries of several data sources [09:20:25] jtgorman | @sing Royal Teens : Short Shorts [09:20:27] ---| <--- mjg_ [i=46a4190c@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-08491d9bd58aa081] has left #code4lib () [09:20:36] kgs | for those who missed it: http://freerangelibrarian.com/2009/02/25/coming-down-the-catwalk-in-her-library-cardigan/ [09:20:36] mbklein | @foaf MrDys dysinterest [09:20:38] ---| User: *** mjg_1 is now known as mjg_ [09:20:39] anarchivist | edsu: thats what pazpar2 does [09:20:44] truk77 | next year, they need live streaming feeds for the code4lib conference :) [09:21:00] jtgorman | truk77: I'm happy enough with videos eventually ;) [09:21:01] anarchivist | kgs-- #for the face spritz [09:21:02] fak3r | how many years do ebooks have to fail before they become popular? [09:21:02] anarchivist | # and the truffles [09:21:03] BigD | truk77: not on THIS network... [09:21:05] zoia | jbrinley: 'n I wanna sleep wit' ye / in th' desert t'night / wit' a billion stars all around / 'cause I gotta peaceful easy feelin' [09:21:06] zoia | We'll hire a band / With an accordion / A violin / And a tenor who can sing [09:21:06] dchud | that stuff is definitely happening now [09:21:07] ---| <<-- MikeTaylor [i=46a4190c@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-a44ac2b78e2ea1f8] has quit ("http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client") [09:21:08] zoia | (spoken) Ooh man, dig that crazy chick. / Who wears short shorts / We wear short shorts / They're such short shorts [09:21:09] zoia | mbklein: MrDys : [09:21:19] MrDys | @interest MrDys [09:21:20] zoia | MrDys: That's pretty sick, you might want to cleanse your palate with http://mintymlp.blogspot.com/ [09:21:39] kgs | anarchavist the truffles and face mist were so good last night. sorry you didn't have any [09:21:43] ---| <<-- jchen [i=46a4190c@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-c222360cfec4b39a] has quit ("http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client") [09:21:48] fak3r | blah, you can link to anything - it's the new black [09:21:49] rosy1280 | ebooks-- [09:21:49] lbjay | kgs: btw, i love your "Posted on this day" links [09:22:01] lbjay | relevance is overrated [09:22:16] mbklein | @foaf MrDys interest [09:22:17] anarchivist | kgs: probably better that way [09:22:19] kgs | lbjay you mean in general? yes, I am even surprised by them [09:22:20] fak3r | web2.0 gurus now working at your local starbucks [09:22:20] anarchivist | kgs: i got by with an episode of heroes and a few glasses of water [09:22:24] zoia | mbklein: MrDys : [09:22:27] ---| <<-- Kerwick [i=46a4190c@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-1fe4bc76a3da1990] has quit ("http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client") [09:22:27] ---| <<-- btw [i=46a4190c@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-ac67b7b11aa89449] has quit ("http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client") [09:22:27] ---| <<-- idlynn [i=46a41977@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-6183cde405d13678] has quit ("http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client") [09:22:29] ecorrado | @sing johnny cash : sunday morning coming down [09:22:30] jtgorman | lbjay: I think it's more serendipity is underrated [09:22:30] ---| ---> asnagy [i=46a4190c@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-01ed7ce4896e6ff8] has joined #code4lib [09:22:32] zoia | And there's nothing short a' dying / That's half as lonesome as the sound / Of the sleeping city sidewalk / And Sunday morning coming down. [09:22:34] ---| ---> gbilder [i=46a4190c@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-b0fe89e5ad67b70e] has joined #code4lib [09:22:36] ---| <<-- smkiewel [i=46a41963@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-e5dd4af486e3a0e0] has quit ("http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client") [09:22:40] ---| ---> ethomsen [i=46a4190c@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-27fefae966bf30fa] has joined #code4lib [09:22:43] ejk | @lolz Independant Man is annoyed by the cursor in his armpit [09:22:52] rsinger | yes, IRC [09:22:58] fak3r | no, nothing better than blabbing to no one on twitter [09:23:01] ecorrado | we have to do better then twitter [09:23:02] dlovins | David Weinberger vs. Nova Spivack. It was pretty cool [09:23:03] fak3r | rsinger++ [09:23:18] fak3r | old_friends++ [09:23:39] fak3r | the rhode island market forces [09:23:40] edsu | dchud: sounds familiar :) [09:23:40] anarchivist | @foaf anarchivist interest [09:23:41] zoia | ejk: An error has occurred and has been logged. 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[09:23:44] ---| <<-- royt [i=46a4190c@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-44568bdada5578ee] has quit ("http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client") [09:24:02] ecorrado | market place is not always right [09:24:02] fak3r | @foaf fak3r interest [09:24:07] ---| ---> btw [i=46a4190c@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-2d3fcc1ad325518a] has joined #code4lib [09:24:13] anarchivist | marc++ [09:24:14] anarchivist | marc++ [09:24:15] anarchivist | marc++ [09:24:19] rosy1280 | marc-- [09:24:23] MrDys | marky_mark++ [09:24:27] ---| ---> mib_ym0p0j [i=46a41977@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-86d3b594e7b0c75c] has joined #code4lib [09:24:27] edsu | dlovins: hard to imagine weinberger losing a debate, would've liked to see that [09:24:29] steambadger | SH++ [09:24:32] fak3r | funky_bunch++ [09:24:37] abarrera | funky_bunch-- [09:24:43] fak3r | dammn [09:24:47] ---| ---> MikeTaylor [i=46a4190c@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-98efbee028eeccdb] has joined #code4lib [09:24:47] mjg_ | funky_chicken++ [09:24:50] pmurray | @pirate [mccainize [obamit [kgs [dick [embed [canuck [excuse]]]]]]] [09:24:51] anarchivist | henrietta avram has a posse [09:24:53] abarrera | fak3r: i was typing just as you did that [09:24:54] ecorrado | the best talk combo I have seen was Stallman v. Raymond at Yale [09:25:09] fak3r | abarrera: we're "on the same page" then [09:25:12] mbklein | Again with the no pants [09:25:14] kat3 | code4lib uniforms next year? [09:25:14] Scurvy | they need cardigans [09:25:16] fak3r | 300, avoided it [09:25:21] fak3r | no, 300 bc [09:25:22] mjg_ | "THIS... IS... PAZPAR!!!!" [09:25:22] ejk | Didn't they all die at the end? [09:25:24] * jbrinley should watch more movies [09:25:25] rosy1280 | more spears! [09:25:26] truk77 | ugh, no human being should have to read/write PQN. Blech. [09:25:28] mbklein | mjg_++ [09:25:30] fak3r | spoiler: the dog dies [09:25:31] lbjay | mjg_: lol [09:25:35] zoia | New news from planetcode4lib: del.icio.us: code4lib update: LuSql talk done; Lucene, Solr links || O'Steen, Ben: Developer Happiness days - why happyness is important || Brickley, Dan: On the internet, no-one knows. [09:25:36] MrDys | mjg__-- [09:25:37] zoia | anarchivist: anarchivist : [09:25:37] mikeybe | ejk++ [09:25:41] MikeTaylor | Oh, great -- give away the ending, why don't you? [09:25:42] kat3 | we're all going to d