From EricMorgan@aol.com Wed Jul 3 23:14:09 1996 Received: by vega.lib.ncsu.edu; id AA00875; Wed, 3 Jul 1996 23:14:09 -0400 Received: by emout07.mail.aol.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id XAA02265 for see-a-librarian-l@vega.lib.ncsu.edu; Wed, 3 Jul 1996 23:10:40 -0400 Date: Wed, 3 Jul 1996 23:10:40 -0400 From: EricMorgan@aol.com Message-Id: <960703231040_427287984@emout07.mail.aol.com> To: see-a-librarian-l@vega.lib.ncsu.edu Subject: posting #1 Hi folks. This is the first posting to SEE-A-LIBRARIAN-L. The purpose of this list is to operate as a communications device for the See A Librarian project. Using this mailing list we can share our experiences using the CU-SeeMe technology. Hopefully we will pass this stage easily and then begin discussing how we can use CU-SeeMe (or some other technology) to provide library/knowledge services. This mailing list will cease to exist when the project concludes. So far there have been about 100 connections to the reflectors at vega.lib.ncsu.edu and sunsite.berkeley.edu. These two reflectors are configured so that when someone connects to one reflector, people connected to the other reflector see the first people. Understand? In short, having two reflectors shares the load. I exected many people don't have the necessary hardware, software, and time to participate in this project. That is why I posted the "announcement" to so many lists. From what lists did y'all hear about this project? I would like to know since I plan to remind people of the project again in a couple of weeks. Finally, allow me to restate a few goals of the Project. Primarily, the Project's purpose is simply to explore the use of this technology. From these explorations other paths or new goals may present themselves; nothing is set in stone here. Second, I consider the Internet's primary function to be communication. Let's see how well this medium satisfies the communications function. By the time y'all read this you will most likely have come back from the 4th of July weekend. Lets set up a particular time to try and get "together." How about Tuesday, July 9th at 10 AM (EST) and/or Wednesday at 2 PM (EST)? "CU online!" -- Eric Lease Morgan NCSU Libraries http://www.lib.ncsu.edu/staf/morgan/ From eric_morgan@ncsu.edu Mon Jul 8 13:47:35 1996 Received: by vega.lib.ncsu.edu; id AA06628; Mon, 8 Jul 1996 13:47:35 -0400 Message-Id: <9607081747.AA06628@vega.lib.ncsu.edu> Received: from 152.1.139.102 ([152.1.139.102]) by ncsulib5.lib.ncsu.edu with SMTP; Mon, 8 Jul 1996 13:45:19 -0400 (EDT) From: Eric Lease Morgan Date: Mon, 8 Jul 1996 13:45:02 -0400 To: see-a-librarian-l@vega.lib.ncsu.edu Subject: configuration file, book, and schedule X-Mailer: MailConnect v1.2 Folks, The reflectors seem to be working just fine. I hope you have time to give them a whirl sometime in the near future. I am trying to stay online as much as possible to facilitate experiementation. To date we have had more than 50 connections to the various reflectors. Let's see how high we can make this number. John Cambell in Colorado ask me for a configuration file for his reflector. Since the file is short, I am including it here for your information. Using this file, and the reflector application available at http://cu-seeme.cornell.edu/ you too can set up your own reflector and lighten the bandwidth load. The most important configuration is the one called UNICAST-REF. This directive tells the reflector application to "echo" connections from another reflector. This is what we are doing from vega.lib.ncsu.edu and sunsite.berkeley.edu. Any connection to either one of these reflectors get "echoed" to the other reflectors. I will be updating the See You See A Librarian page (http://sunsite.berkeley.edu/~emorgan/see-a-librarian/) with some more useful information, but I though you might like to know about a book I found. Its called _Internet TV wit CU-SeeMe_ by Michael Sattler (Sams.Net : Indianapolis, 1995) ISBN: 1-57521-006-1. The book is okay, not indispensible, but it does provide good instructions about the technology and answers a lot of questions on how to use CU-SeeMe effectivley. I had a nice chat with a person named Joh this morning. He was in the United Kingdom. He couldn't send video, but his audio was great. This stuff seems to be working. Lastly, it may be a good idea to set up a time for discussion. While I am trying to be online as much as possible, what time is good for y'all to connect and give this stuff a spin? How about Wednesday, June 10, at 1 o'clock Eastern Standard Time? -- Eric Lease Morgan NCSU Libraries http://www.lib.ncsu.edu/staff/morgan/ === reflect.conf === ; allow me to see myself. uncomment the following line for debuggin purposes ; SELF-REFLECT ; define the log file LOG reflect.log ; define what will be displayed to participants MOTD See You See a Librarian See http://sunsite.berkeley.edu/~emorgan/see-a-librarian/ for more information. // ; what are the mirror sites UNICAST-REF 128.32.224.22 ; define the conference manager CONF-MGR 152.1.139.102 ; what machine can run the refmon application REFMON 152.1.139.42 ; define the conference ID CONF-ID 0 Welcome. // ; what is the highest transmission speed? CAP 80 1 Max transmission exceeds limit of 80 Kbits/sec. No reconnect for 1 minute. // ; maximum participants MAX-PARTICIPANTS 15 Maximum participants already active. Try again later. // ; maximum something, but i'm not sure quite what MAX-SENDERS 15 Maximum number of senders already active. Try again later. // ; maximum something, but i'm not sure quite what MAX-LURKERS 20 Maximum number of lurkers already active. Try again later. // From Judy.Hauser@Oakland.k12.mi.us Thu Jul 11 15:23:24 1996 Received: by vega.lib.ncsu.edu; id AA03625; Thu, 11 Jul 1996 15:23:24 -0400 Received: from [198.111.47.49] (198.111.47.49) by kahuna.oakland.k12.mi.us (EMWAC SMTPRS 0.80) with SMTP id ; Thu, 11 Jul 1996 15:21:51 -0400 Date: Thu, 11 Jul 1996 15:21:51 -0400 X-Sender: HauserJ@oakland.k12.mi.us Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: see-a-librarian-l@vega.lib.ncsu.edu From: Judy.Hauser@Oakland.k12.mi.us (Judy Hauser) Subject: Re: configuration file, book, and schedule Eric - I missed your meeting yesterday. I tried to get to the reflector site today and I couldn't get through to either address. Are they only available at specific times? Or, did I do something else wrong? Nothing happened when I put the addresses in from your message. Judy Hauser Library Consultant Oakland Schools 2100 Pontiac Lake Road Waterford, MI 48328 Phone:(810)-858-1971 Fax:(810)858-1881 From eric_morgan@ncsu.edu Fri Jul 12 11:25:36 1996 Received: by vega.lib.ncsu.edu; id AA13507; Fri, 12 Jul 1996 11:25:36 -0400 Message-Id: <9607121525.AA13507@vega.lib.ncsu.edu> Received: from 152.1.139.102 ([152.1.139.102]) by ncsulib5.lib.ncsu.edu with SMTP; Fri, 12 Jul 1996 11:23:19 -0400 (EDT) From: Eric Lease Morgan Date: Fri, 12 Jul 1996 11:23:18 -0400 To: see-a-librarian-l@vega.lib.ncsu.edu Subject: Re> Re: configuration file, book, and schedule X-Mailer: MailConnect v1.2 > Eric - I missed your meeting yesterday. I tried to get to the reflector > site today and I couldn't get through to either address. Are they only > available at specific times? Or, did I do something else wrong? Nothing > happened when I put the addresses in from your message. Judy, thanks for your interest. The reflectors should be up an running all the time. Drop in anytime. Activity seems to be greatest in the afternoons. As a case in point, there may be some get together between 2 and 4 since some folks from the state of Florida are bringing a lot of people online. In short, try any time. I am trying to stay online as much as possible. Remember, this first month is just to *play* with the hardware and software. Thus, no questions are silly questions. Again, the reflectors are located at: * vega.lib.ncsu.edu on connection id 0 * sunsite.berkeley.edu on connection id 0 Both reflectors "reflect" the same thing. If you did not C anything, then it may have been because no one was there. Try again, and if your computer cooperates, stay online and just hang out. As an alternative, we can connect directly to each other as long as: 1. we know each other's IP addresses 2. we both are running CU-SeeMe This is called point-to-point connnections. Do you want to try it? 'hope to CU online soon. -- Eric Lease Morgan NCSU Libraries http://www.lib.ncsu.edu/staff/morgan/ From Judy.Hauser@Oakland.k12.mi.us Fri Jul 12 11:30:33 1996 Received: by vega.lib.ncsu.edu; id AA13623; Fri, 12 Jul 1996 11:30:33 -0400 Received: from [198.111.47.49] (198.111.47.49) by kahuna.oakland.k12.mi.us (EMWAC SMTPRS 0.81) with SMTP id ; Fri, 12 Jul 1996 11:29:10 -0400 Date: Fri, 12 Jul 1996 11:29:10 -0400 X-Sender: HauserJ@oakland.k12.mi.us Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: see-a-librarian-l@vega.lib.ncsu.edu From: Judy.Hauser@Oakland.k12.mi.us (Judy Hauser) Subject: Re: Re> Re: configuration file, book, and schedule Hi Eric - I am leaving for the rest of the day but I will be in next week. I will try the reflector sites again and contact you to perhaps try a one-to-one teleconf. Thanks. Judy Hauser Library Consultant Oakland Schools 2100 Pontiac Lake Road Waterford, MI 48328 Phone:(810)-858-1971 Fax:(810)858-1881 From eric_morgan@ncsu.edu Tue Jul 16 13:45:46 1996 Received: by vega.lib.ncsu.edu; id AA21071; Tue, 16 Jul 1996 13:45:46 -0400 Message-Id: <9607161745.AA21071@vega.lib.ncsu.edu> Received: from 152.1.139.102 ([152.1.139.102]) by ncsulib5.lib.ncsu.edu with SMTP; Tue, 16 Jul 1996 13:42:37 -0400 (EDT) From: Eric Lease Morgan Date: Tue, 16 Jul 1996 13:42:40 -0400 To: see-a-librarian-l@vega.lib.ncsu.edu Subject: sum stuff X-Mailer: MailConnect v1.2 Sum Comments ============ The See A Librarian Project is into its second week. Last Friday a very good, impromptu conference took place between people in Michigan, Washington DC, Colorado, Mexico, Florida, and North Carolina. With only minor technical difficulties, quite a conversation was experienced. Kudos to the CU-SeeMe folks! Please continue to spread the word about See A Librarian (http://sunsite.berkeley.edu/~emorgan/see-a-librarian/), and continue to connect to the reflectors. It seems that later in the day is the best time for everybody. Alternatively, we can schedule set times. Sum Projects ============ I have discovered that the State Library sytem of Florida was been awarded a grant to play with CU-SeeMe. The grant's purpose is to extend skill of state librarians to remote librarians of Florida. Hopefully we will be experiencing some activity from more folks from Florida as they acquire their hardware. In Colorado, the use of CU-SeeMe is being explored for the same sorts of purposes as in Florida. They will be able provide useful information concerning their infrastructure since many of their participants will be using modems for their network connections. The University of Michigan has been using CU-SeeMe and teleconferencing to do extended reference services. I believe they have been experimenting for at least one if not two semesters. An article in Academe Today briefly describes their experiences. Sum ideas ========= Sum ideas for the use of CU-SeeMe in library settings that have come out of our discussions include: 1. reference services 2. training 3. "study hall" sessions 4. debates The last item particular intrigues me for this project. Next time you see a raging debate taking place on a mailing list. Invite opposing sides of the argument to debate thier points of view on a CU-SeeMe reflector. While the debate takes place, other can "lurk" and watch the debate. Sum Trivia ========== 1. The SEE-A-LIBRARIAN-L mailing list now has 18 subscribers. 2. Since July 1st, there have been 381 connections to the See A Librarian home page at http://sunsite.berkeley.edu/~emorgan/see-a-librarian/. 3. Since June 26th there have been at least 190 connections to the reflector at vega.lib.ncsu.edu. (I have not been yet able to accuratly extract this information from the reflector at sunsite.berkeley.edu.) -- Eric Lease Morgan NCSU Libraries http://www.lib.ncsu.edu/staff/morgan/ From eric_morgan@ncsu.edu Tue Jul 16 17:00:53 1996 Received: by vega.lib.ncsu.edu; id AA22755; Tue, 16 Jul 1996 17:00:53 -0400 Message-Id: <9607162100.AA22755@vega.lib.ncsu.edu> Received: from 152.1.139.102 ([152.1.139.102]) by ncsulib5.lib.ncsu.edu with SMTP; Tue, 16 Jul 1996 16:58:35 -0400 (EDT) From: Eric Lease Morgan Date: Tue, 16 Jul 1996 15:10:19 -0400 To: see-a-librarian-l@vega.lib.ncsu.edu Subject: sum news X-Mailer: MailConnect v1.2 See A Librarian has made the news. Jeffrey R. Young of the Chronicle of Higher Education who was a part of our conference on Friday, has written an artcle briefly describing how we are trying to use this technology to improve librarianship. I have secured permission to repost the article's contents here. You can also see a screen shot of the conference from Jeffery's desk by going to: http://sunsite.berkeley.edu/~emorgan/see-a-librarian/article.html ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Of Note on the Net ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Librarians Use Videoconferencing to Connect with Patrons, Colleagues It's the dead of winter at the University of Michigan at Ann Arbor -- a blinding blizzard and subzero temperatures. A student has a question for a reference librarian, and she'd like to go over to the Shapiro Undergraduate Library and ask. But trudging across campus is the last thing she wants to do. Fortunately for her, the Internet is bringing the reference librarian closer to home. At several residence-hall libraries at the university, the staff has set up a videoconferencing system that lets students see and hear a reference librarian who is on duty at the main library. The students can make video-enhanced telephone calls to the main reference desk that are the next best thing to being there. "It's like The Jetsons," says Kathleen M. Folger, a reference librarian at the university, recalling the use of videophones in the futuristic cartoon series on television in the 1960s. The library started the high-tech project, called the Interactive Reference Assistance program, in October 1995, and it was an immediate hit. "The students just really enjoy using it," Ms. Folger says. "They're fascinated by the technology." The University of Michigan's library is one of the first to experiment with on-line videoconferencing in this way, but Ms. Folger and her colleagues are not the only ones interested in seeing their patrons on the computer screen. In fact, a librarian at North Carolina State University has set up a forum to discuss videoconferencing in libraries. Appropriately, the forum takes place on an Internet-based videoconference. One of the objectives of the forum is simply to find out how many librarians have the cameras and the know-how to tune in, says its creator, Eric L. Morgan. The results so far have been promising. One day in early July, six librarians from institutions in four U.S. states were on line, their smiling faces visible in small boxes on their computer screens. For more than an hour, they discussed everything from how to use the free "CU-See Me" software that makes this type of videoconferencing possible to whether offering the on-line reference service was worth the trouble. Ms. Folger, one of the participants, did much of the talking, as other librarians quizzed her about the University of Michigan's teleconferencing experiment. "The biggest problem we had was technical support," she told the group. "There's no number to call to ask for help because it's all freeware." This fall the university plans to try a commercial software package and to upgrade from black-and-white to color cameras. One of the biggest surprises, Ms. Folger says, was how much more comfortable most students felt on camera than in person. "Students will talk to you and be much more open with you than if they were here in person," she says. "The first night we did it, I had students flirting with me. I had one student ask me out." Both Ms. Folger and Mr. Morgan say that the unique experience of talking with a librarian in virtual space -- with its unusual mix of personal interaction and private setting -- makes the service worthwhile. Ms. Folger admits, however, that there are some students who would just as soon pick up the phone and not be seen by their librarians. "Some of the females when they saw themselves on the camera said, 'Oh my hair looks awful.'" Mr. Morgan plans to keep the forum open all summer. Librarians can check in at any time to see if their colleagues are talking shop. --Jeffrey R. Young ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Reprinted with permission to the see-a-librarian home page. Copyright (c) 1996 by The Chronicle of Higher Education Inc. Reprinted with permission to the see-a-librarian mailing list. Copyright (c) 1996 by The Chronicle of Higher Education Inc. -- Eric Lease Morgan NCSU Libraries http://www.lib.ncsu.edu/staff/morgan/ From Judy.Hauser@Oakland.k12.mi.us Thu Jul 18 13:00:20 1996 Received: by vega.lib.ncsu.edu; id AA08005; Thu, 18 Jul 1996 13:00:20 -0400 Received: from [198.111.47.49] (198.111.47.49) by kahuna.oakland.k12.mi.us (EMWAC SMTPRS 0.81) with SMTP id ; Thu, 18 Jul 1996 12:58:48 -0400 Date: Thu, 18 Jul 1996 12:58:48 -0400 X-Sender: HauserJ@oakland.k12.mi.us Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: see-a-librarian-l@vega.lib.ncsu.edu From: Judy.Hauser@Oakland.k12.mi.us (Judy Hauser) Subject: PTT button I have talked to Eric a couple of times using CuSeeMe but when I click on the PTT button, so that I don't have to manually push the Talk button, Eric can hear me but I can't hear Eric. Any advice on fixing this? Judy Hauser Library Consultant Oakland Schools 2100 Pontiac Lake Road Waterford, MI 48328 Phone:(810)-858-1971 Fax:(810)858-1881 From BENNETT@rmcnet.robert-morris.edu Thu Jul 18 16:31:14 1996 Received: by vega.lib.ncsu.edu; id AA10652; Thu, 18 Jul 1996 16:31:14 -0400 Message-Id: <9607182031.AA10652@vega.lib.ncsu.edu> From: BENNETT@rmcnet.robert-morris.edu (Bennett, David) Date: Thu, 18 Jul 1996 16:48 EST To: see-a-librarian-l@vega.lib.ncsu.edu Subject: Re: PTT button >I have talked to Eric a couple of times using CuSeeMe but when I click on >the PTT button, so that I don't have to manually push the Talk button, Eric >can hear me but I can't hear Eric. Any advice on fixing this? My guess is that you don't have a duplex sound card. A duplex sound card would allow listening and speaking simultaneous. I've heard that some people have a version of the soundblaster card that allows for duplex sound, but you need to download the newer drivers. ****************************************************** David Bennett (bennett@rmcnet.robert-morris.edu) Systems Support & Instruction Librarian Robert Morris College Library Narrows Run Road Coraopolis, PA 15108 (412) 262-8474 (412) 262-4049 fax ****************************************************** From eric_morgan@ncsu.edu Thu Jul 18 16:36:34 1996 Received: by vega.lib.ncsu.edu; id AA10792; Thu, 18 Jul 1996 16:36:34 -0400 Message-Id: <9607182036.AA10792@vega.lib.ncsu.edu> Received: from 152.1.139.102 ([152.1.139.102]) by ncsulib5.lib.ncsu.edu with SMTP; Thu, 18 Jul 1996 16:34:15 -0400 (EDT) From: Eric Lease Morgan Date: Thu, 18 Jul 1996 16:34:13 -0400 To: see-a-librarian-l@vega.lib.ncsu.edu Cc: BENNETT@rmcnet.robert-morris.edu, Judy.Hauser@Oakland.k12.mi.us Subject: Re> Re: PTT button X-Mailer: MailConnect v1.2 > My guess is that you don't have a duplex sound card. A duplex sound > card would allow listening and speaking simultaneous. This is what I was going to guess too. -- Eric Lease Morgan NCSU Libraries http://www.lib.ncsu.edu/staff/morgan/ From dchiang@calvin.usc.edu Thu Jul 18 16:45:40 1996 Received: by vega.lib.ncsu.edu; id AA10993; Thu, 18 Jul 1996 16:45:40 -0400 Received: from calvin.usc.edu (root@calvin.usc.edu [128.125.253.129]) by usc.edu (8.7.2/8.7.2/usc) with ESMTP id NAA29171 for ; Thu, 18 Jul 1996 13:42:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [128.125.139.36] (leaveystaff15.usc.edu [128.125.139.36]) by calvin.usc.edu (8.7.2/8.7.2/usc) with SMTP id NAA04781 for ; Thu, 18 Jul 1996 13:42:00 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 18 Jul 1996 13:42:00 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: see-a-librarian-l@vega.lib.ncsu.edu From: dchiang@calvin.usc.edu (Dudee Chiang) Subject: commercial vs. free CU-SeeMe software How many people are using the commercial version of CU-SeeMe, and how many people are using the free version? What are the limitations of the free version? For one thing, I believe the free version does not have the "whiteboard" function, which allows both parties to share a writing space. Does anyone know any other differences? Dudee Chiang Leavey Library University of Southern California dchiang@calvin.usc.edu From pzilius@umich.edu Fri Jul 19 15:14:22 1996 Received: by vega.lib.ncsu.edu; id AA17825; Fri, 19 Jul 1996 15:14:22 -0400 Received: from battlezone.rs.itd.umich.edu by battlezone.rs.itd.umich.edu (8.7.5/2.2) id PAA26565; Fri, 19 Jul 1996 15:10:46 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 19 Jul 1996 15:10:44 -0400 (EDT) From: "Pamela M. Zilius" X-Sender: pzilius@battlezone.rs.itd.umich.edu To: see-a-librarian-l@vega.lib.ncsu.edu Subject: Re: PTT button In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII > I have talked to Eric a couple of times using CuSeeMe but when I click on > the PTT button, so that I don't have to manually push the Talk button, Eric > can hear me but I can't hear Eric. Any advice on fixing this? What if sound works duplex sometimes (I'm using a Power PC) but not others? I have the reverse problem - when it's not working I can hear, but others can't hear me. ----------------------------------------- Pamela Zilius-Careaga pzilius@umich.edu Media Union/Science Libraries University of Michigan 313-763-4837 ----------------------------------------- From eric_morgan@ncsu.edu Fri Jul 19 15:41:57 1996 Received: by vega.lib.ncsu.edu; id AA18113; Fri, 19 Jul 1996 15:41:57 -0400 Message-Id: <9607191941.AA18113@vega.lib.ncsu.edu> Received: from 152.1.139.102 ([152.1.139.102]) by ncsulib5.lib.ncsu.edu with SMTP; Fri, 19 Jul 1996 15:39:36 -0400 (EDT) From: Eric Lease Morgan Date: Fri, 19 Jul 1996 15:37:22 -0400 To: dchiang@calvin.usc.edu, see-a-librarian-l@vega.lib.ncsu.edu Subject: Re> commercial vs. free CU-SeeMe software X-Mailer: MailConnect v1.2 > How many people are using the commercial version of CU-SeeMe, and how many > people are using the free version? What are the limitations of the free > version? For one thing, I believe the free version does not have the > "whiteboard" function, which allows both parties to share a writing space. > Does anyone know any other differences? Based on my limited knowledge, I believe the commerical version of CU-SeeMe from White Pine (www.whitepine.com) has three major enhancements: 1. Better compression algorithms 2. Color video output 3. A white board for sharing drawings. I am not using the commercial version. -- Eric Lease Morgan NCSU Libraries http://www.lib.ncsu.edu/staff/morgan/ From pzilius@umich.edu Fri Jul 19 16:20:56 1996 Received: by vega.lib.ncsu.edu; id AA18491; Fri, 19 Jul 1996 16:20:56 -0400 Received: from battlezone.rs.itd.umich.edu by battlezone.rs.itd.umich.edu (8.7.5/2.2) id QAA00339; Fri, 19 Jul 1996 16:17:20 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 19 Jul 1996 16:17:19 -0400 (EDT) From: "Pamela M. Zilius" X-Sender: pzilius@battlezone.rs.itd.umich.edu To: see-a-librarian-l@vega.lib.ncsu.edu Subject: Re: Re> commercial vs. free CU-SeeMe software In-Reply-To: <9607191941.AA18113@vega.lib.ncsu.edu> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII > > people are using the free version? What are the limitations of the free > > version? For one thing, I believe the free version does not have the > > "whiteboard" function, which allows both parties to share a writing space. > > Does anyone know any other differences? Free demonstration copies of White Pine's enhanced version can be downloaded from http://goliath.wpine.com/cu-seeme.html. They're good for 30 days. I've used it, and it works great. I agree that the compression is better on the commercial version, and the whiteboard is handy. ------------------------------------------- Pamela Zilius-Careaga pzilius@umich.edu Media Union/Science Libraries University of Michigan ------------------------------------------- From Judy.Hauser@Oakland.k12.mi.us Mon Jul 22 08:21:00 1996 Received: by vega.lib.ncsu.edu; id AA02162; Mon, 22 Jul 1996 08:21:00 -0400 Received: from [198.111.47.49] (198.111.47.49) by kahuna.oakland.k12.mi.us (EMWAC SMTPRS 0.81) with SMTP id ; Mon, 22 Jul 1996 08:20:03 -0400 Date: Mon, 22 Jul 1996 08:20:03 -0400 X-Sender: HauserJ@oakland.k12.mi.us Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: see-a-librarian-l@vega.lib.ncsu.edu From: Judy.Hauser@Oakland.k12.mi.us (Judy Hauser) Subject: Re: commercial vs. free CU-SeeMe software I'm using the free version. Can anyone tell me how much the commercial version is and how to purchase it? Thanks. Judy Hauser Library Consultant Oakland Schools 2100 Pontiac Lake Road Waterford, MI 48328 Phone:(810)-858-1971 Fax:(810)858-1881 From Judy.Hauser@Oakland.k12.mi.us Mon Jul 22 08:37:43 1996 Received: by vega.lib.ncsu.edu; id AA02347; Mon, 22 Jul 1996 08:37:43 -0400 Received: from [198.111.47.49] (198.111.47.49) by kahuna.oakland.k12.mi.us (EMWAC SMTPRS 0.81) with SMTP id ; Mon, 22 Jul 1996 08:36:46 -0400 Date: Mon, 22 Jul 1996 08:36:46 -0400 X-Sender: HauserJ@oakland.k12.mi.us Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: see-a-librarian-l@vega.lib.ncsu.edu From: Judy.Hauser@Oakland.k12.mi.us (Judy Hauser) Subject: CuSeeMe-downloadable Eric - is the version of CuSeeMe on your web site for PowerMacs only? I have a Mac LC575 and can't seem to get that version to work. Thanks Judy Hauser Library Consultant Oakland Schools 2100 Pontiac Lake Road Waterford, MI 48328 Phone:(810)-858-1971 Fax:(810)858-1881 From EricMorgan@aol.com Mon Jul 22 16:04:44 1996 Received: by vega.lib.ncsu.edu; id AA05624; Mon, 22 Jul 1996 16:04:44 -0400 Received: by emout16.mail.aol.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id QAA18030 for see-a-librarian-l@vega.lib.ncsu.edu; Mon, 22 Jul 1996 16:03:17 -0400 Date: Mon, 22 Jul 1996 16:03:17 -0400 From: EricMorgan@aol.com Message-Id: <960722160313_439456165@emout16.mail.aol.com> To: see-a-librarian-l@vega.lib.ncsu.edu Subject: downloadable > Eric - is the version of CuSeeMe on your web site for PowerMacs only? I have a Mac LC575 and can't seem to get that version to work. Thanks No, I don't t think the version of CU-SeeMe on the See A Librarian home page is for PowerMacs only. If in doubt, try the home page of CU-SeeMe at: http://cu-seeme.cornell.edu Tell us what happens. -- Eric Lease Morgan NCSU Libraries http:/www.lib.ncsu.edu/staff/morgan/ From Judy.Hauser@Oakland.k12.mi.us Wed Jul 24 13:26:35 1996 Received: by vega.lib.ncsu.edu; id AA20503; Wed, 24 Jul 1996 13:26:35 -0400 Received: from [198.111.47.49] (198.111.47.49) by kahuna.oakland.k12.mi.us (EMWAC SMTPRS 0.81) with SMTP id ; Wed, 24 Jul 1996 13:25:03 -0400 Date: Wed, 24 Jul 1996 13:25:03 -0400 X-Sender: HauserJ@oakland.k12.mi.us Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: see-a-librarian-l@vega.lib.ncsu.edu From: Judy.Hauser@Oakland.k12.mi.us (Judy Hauser) Subject: Powerbook question As of yesterday, I no longer have my Mac LC575 in my office. That has gone on to someone else in the building. I now use my Mac Powerbook 5300cs plus a monitor and keyboaRD to use when I'm in my office. I have just been told that I can't use CuSeeMe with a Powerbook. If this is true, I will have to go to the other end of the floor and borrow someone else's Mac to videoconf. with all of you. Any verification of this situation? Thanks. Judy Hauser Library Consultant Oakland Schools 2100 Pontiac Lake Road Waterford, MI 48328 Phone:(810)-858-1971 Fax:(810)858-1881 From eric_morgan@ncsu.edu Wed Jul 24 13:32:03 1996 Received: by vega.lib.ncsu.edu; id AA20654; Wed, 24 Jul 1996 13:32:03 -0400 Message-Id: <9607241732.AA20654@vega.lib.ncsu.edu> Received: from 152.1.139.102 ([152.1.139.102]) by ncsulib5.lib.ncsu.edu with SMTP; Wed, 24 Jul 1996 13:29:41 -0400 (EDT) From: Eric Lease Morgan Date: Wed, 24 Jul 1996 13:29:49 -0400 To: Judy.Hauser@Oakland.k12.mi.us, see-a-librarian-l@vega.lib.ncsu.edu Subject: Re> Powerbook question X-Mailer: MailConnect v1.2 > As of yesterday, I no longer have my Mac LC575 in my office. That has gone > on to someone else in the building. I now use my Mac Powerbook 5300cs plus > a monitor and keyboaRD to use when I'm in my office. I have just been told > that I can't use CuSeeMe with a Powerbook. If this is true, I will have to > go to the other end of the floor and borrow someone else's Mac to > videoconf. with all of you. Any verification of this situation? Thanks. I an not verify this except to say that I can do CU-SeeMe with my PowerBook 540c. Give it a try and tell us what happens. -- Eric Lease Morgan NCSU Libraries http://www.lib.ncsu.edu/staff/morgan/ From Judy.Hauser@Oakland.k12.mi.us Wed Jul 24 13:42:52 1996 Received: by vega.lib.ncsu.edu; id AA20824; Wed, 24 Jul 1996 13:42:52 -0400 Received: from [198.111.47.49] (198.111.47.49) by kahuna.oakland.k12.mi.us (EMWAC SMTPRS 0.81) with SMTP id ; Wed, 24 Jul 1996 13:41:21 -0400 Date: Wed, 24 Jul 1996 13:41:21 -0400 X-Sender: HauserJ@oakland.k12.mi.us Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: see-a-librarian-l@vega.lib.ncsu.edu From: Judy.Hauser@Oakland.k12.mi.us (Judy Hauser) Subject: Re: Re> Powerbook question I will try between 3-4 today. I was told that it has something to do with there not being enough ports on the back of the Powerbook. Judy Hauser Library Consultant Oakland Schools 2100 Pontiac Lake Road Waterford, MI 48328 Phone:(810)-858-1971 Fax:(810)858-1881 From lbell@darkstar.rsa.lib.il.us Wed Jul 24 15:08:07 1996 Received: by vega.lib.ncsu.edu; id AA21861; Wed, 24 Jul 1996 15:08:07 -0400 Received: (from lbell@localhost) by darkstar.rsa.lib.il.us (8.6.12/8.6.9) id OAA02893; Wed, 24 Jul 1996 14:04:27 -0500 Date: Wed, 24 Jul 1996 14:04:25 -0500 (CDT) From: Lori Bell To: see-a-librarian-l@vega.lib.ncsu.edu Subject: Re: downloadable In-Reply-To: <960722160313_439456165@emout16.mail.aol.com> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Can anyone give me the specifications for a video camera to work with CUSeeMe? Can you recommend a place to purchase this? The price I got on a digital video camera is $859 and on a video camera with standard NTSC output is $495. I wonder if this is typical or not. Any information you could provide would be very helpful and appreciated. Thanks. From Judy.Hauser@Oakland.k12.mi.us Wed Jul 24 15:17:16 1996 Received: by vega.lib.ncsu.edu; id AA22036; Wed, 24 Jul 1996 15:17:16 -0400 Received: from [198.111.47.49] (198.111.47.49) by kahuna.oakland.k12.mi.us (EMWAC SMTPRS 0.81) with SMTP id ; Wed, 24 Jul 1996 15:15:46 -0400 Date: Wed, 24 Jul 1996 15:15:46 -0400 X-Sender: HauserJ@oakland.k12.mi.us Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: see-a-librarian-l@vega.lib.ncsu.edu From: Judy.Hauser@Oakland.k12.mi.us (Judy Hauser) Subject: Powerbook I got into the two reflector sites but I can't see anyone else and it says zero participants. I don't know if there just isn't anyone participating orif I'm starting to have trouble because I'm connecting with a Powerbook. I will try again tomorrow. Judy Hauser Library Consultant Oakland Schools 2100 Pontiac Lake Road Waterford, MI 48328 Phone:(810)-858-1971 Fax:(810)858-1881 From ehschnel@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu Wed Jul 24 16:22:31 1996 Received: by vega.lib.ncsu.edu; id AA22640; Wed, 24 Jul 1996 16:22:31 -0400 Received: from auto3 (hsl-auto3.med.ohio-state.edu [140.254.71.180]) by mail2.uts.ohio-state.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id QAA12484 for ; Wed, 24 Jul 1996 16:18:49 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 24 Jul 1996 16:18:49 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199607242018.QAA12484@mail2.uts.ohio-state.edu> X-Sender: ehschnel@pop.service.ohio-state.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.1.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: see-a-librarian-l@vega.lib.ncsu.edu From: Eric Schnell Subject: Re: Powerbook At 03:17 PM 7/24/96 -0400, Judy Hauser wrote: >I got into the two reflector sites but I can't see anyone else and it says >zero participants. I don't know if there just isn't anyone participating >orif I'm starting to have trouble because I'm connecting with a Powerbook. >I will try again tomorrow. I have tried myself with the same results. Since I do not have video capability and am on a PC all I can do is lurk. At least MAC users have audio access.... Eric Eric Schnell, Head of Automation Services Prior Health Sciences Library, Ohio State schnell.9@osu.edu 614-292-4870 http://bones.med.ohio-state.edu/eric/eric.html From agarza@ci.mty.itesm.mx Wed Jul 24 16:49:45 1996 Received: by vega.lib.ncsu.edu; id AA22947; Wed, 24 Jul 1996 16:49:45 -0400 Received: from ci.mty.itesm.mx (ci.mty.itesm.mx [131.178.23.20]) by campus.mty.itesm.mx (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id PAA133345 for ; Wed, 24 Jul 1996 15:40:08 -0600 Date: Wed, 24 Jul 1996 15:37:28 -0600 (GMT-0600) From: Alejandro Garza Gonzalez To: see-a-librarian-l@vega.lib.ncsu.edu Subject: Re: Powerbook question In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Has something happened to the reflector at sunsite.berkeley.edu? I couldn't connect either monday nor tuesday. And vega.lib.ncsu.edu seems empty most of the time, too... _alejandro garza ITESM Centro de Informacion-Biblioteca Monterrey agarza@campus.mty.itesm.mx http://www-cib.mty.itesm.mx/ ____ __ _ _ _ _ From agarza@ci.mty.itesm.mx Wed Jul 24 17:03:19 1996 Received: by vega.lib.ncsu.edu; id AA23154; Wed, 24 Jul 1996 17:03:19 -0400 Received: from ci.mty.itesm.mx (ci.mty.itesm.mx [131.178.23.20]) by campus.mty.itesm.mx (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id PAA75049 for ; Wed, 24 Jul 1996 15:53:42 -0600 Date: Wed, 24 Jul 1996 15:51:01 -0600 (GMT-0600) From: Alejandro Garza Gonzalez To: see-a-librarian-l@vega.lib.ncsu.edu Subject: Re: downloadable In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Lori: if you need a low-cost alternative camera, that you'll only use for Cu-SeeMe, try the Connectix B/W Quickcam, which retails for around $80 (mac and PC versions available). There's also a Color version, which costs about twice as much. Try: http://www.connectix.com/ Greets! _alejandro garza ITESM Centro de Informacion-Biblioteca Monterrey agarza@campus.mty.itesm.mx http://www-cib.mty.itesm.mx/ ____ __ _ _ _ _ On Wed, 24 Jul 1996, Lori Bell wrote: > Can anyone give me the specifications for a video camera to work with > CUSeeMe? Can you recommend a place to purchase this? The price I got on > a digital video camera is $859 and on a video camera with standard NTSC > output is $495. I wonder if this is typical or not. Any information you > could provide would be very helpful and appreciated. Thanks. From Judy.Hauser@Oakland.k12.mi.us Thu Jul 25 08:25:51 1996 Received: by vega.lib.ncsu.edu; id AA27155; Thu, 25 Jul 1996 08:25:51 -0400 Received: from [198.111.47.49] (198.111.47.49) by kahuna.oakland.k12.mi.us (EMWAC SMTPRS 0.81) with SMTP id ; Thu, 25 Jul 1996 08:24:28 -0400 Date: Thu, 25 Jul 1996 08:24:28 -0400 X-Sender: HauserJ@oakland.k12.mi.us Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: see-a-librarian-l@vega.lib.ncsu.edu From: Judy.Hauser@Oakland.k12.mi.us (Judy Hauser) Subject: Powerbook 5300cs Does anyone on the listserv use a Mac Powerbook 5300cs? If so, can you tell me if CuSeeMe works for you. Thanks. Judy Hauser Library Consultant Oakland Schools 2100 Pontiac Lake Road Waterford, MI 48328 Phone:(810)-858-1971 Fax:(810)858-1881 From eric_morgan@ncsu.edu Thu Jul 25 10:01:49 1996 Received: by vega.lib.ncsu.edu; id AA27826; Thu, 25 Jul 1996 10:01:49 -0400 Message-Id: <9607251401.AA27826@vega.lib.ncsu.edu> Received: from 152.1.139.102 ([152.1.139.102]) by ncsulib5.lib.ncsu.edu with SMTP; Thu, 25 Jul 1996 9:59:28 -0400 (EDT) From: Eric Lease Morgan Date: Thu, 25 Jul 1996 09:59:38 -0400 To: see-a-librarian-l@vega.lib.ncsu.edu Cc: lbell@darkstar.rsa.lib.il.us Subject: Re> Re: downloadable X-Mailer: MailConnect v1.2 > Can anyone give me the specifications for a video camera to work with > CUSeeMe? Can you recommend a place to purchase this? The price I got on > a digital video camera is $859 and on a video camera with standard NTSC > output is $495. I wonder if this is typical or not. Any information you > could provide would be very helpful and appreciated. Thanks. I concur with Alejandro. An inexpensive QuickCam camera is almost too good to be true. It works great and plugs right into your computer's serial port. There are two types: color and black/white. Remember that CU-SeeMe only does black and white while the White Pine version does color. -- Eric Lease Morgan NCSU Libraries http://www.lib.ncsu.edu/staff/morgan/ From eric_morgan@ncsu.edu Thu Jul 25 10:04:45 1996 Received: by vega.lib.ncsu.edu; id AA27944; Thu, 25 Jul 1996 10:04:45 -0400 Message-Id: <9607251404.AA27944@vega.lib.ncsu.edu> Received: from 152.1.139.102 ([152.1.139.102]) by ncsulib5.lib.ncsu.edu with SMTP; Thu, 25 Jul 1996 10:02:24 -0400 (EDT) From: Eric Lease Morgan Date: Thu, 25 Jul 1996 10:02:34 -0400 To: see-a-librarian-l@vega.lib.ncsu.edu Cc: Judy.Hauser@Oakland.k12.mi.us Subject: study hall X-Mailer: MailConnect v1.2 > I got into the two reflector sites but I can't see anyone else and it says > zero participants. I don't know if there just isn't anyone participating > orif I'm starting to have trouble because I'm connecting with a Powerbook. > I will try again tomorrow. One of the problems with CU-SeeMe is the fact that no one seems to be around when you want them. Here is a suggestion. Just hang out. There is no reason why you can't connect to one of our reflectors and just wait for somebody else to show up. While CU-SeeMe does require a lot of bandwidth, you can temporarily turn of the sending of video to reduce the load. Try connecting to the reflectors and just waiting. Try using the reflector as a "study hall" sort of thing. What do y'all think? -- Eric Lease Morgan NCSU Libraries http://www.lib.ncsu.edu/staff/morgan/ From eric_morgan@ncsu.edu Thu Jul 25 10:07:22 1996 Received: by vega.lib.ncsu.edu; id AA28063; Thu, 25 Jul 1996 10:07:22 -0400 Message-Id: <9607251407.AA28063@vega.lib.ncsu.edu> Received: from 152.1.139.102 ([152.1.139.102]) by ncsulib5.lib.ncsu.edu with SMTP; Thu, 25 Jul 1996 10:05:01 -0400 (EDT) From: Eric Lease Morgan Date: Thu, 25 Jul 1996 10:05:10 -0400 To: see-a-librarian-l@vega.lib.ncsu.edu Cc: agarza@ci.mty.itesm.mx Subject: Re> Re: Powerbook question X-Mailer: MailConnect v1.2 > Has something happened to the reflector at sunsite.berkeley.edu? I > couldn't connect either monday nor tuesday. And vega.lib.ncsu.edu seems > empty most of the time, too... I believe the entire sunsite.berkeley.edu machine was down all day Monday and Tuesday. I believe things are up and running again. -- Eric Lease Morgan NCSU Libraries http://www.lib.ncsu.edu/staff/morgan/ From kamorgan@unity.ncsu.edu Thu Jul 25 10:18:51 1996 Received: by vega.lib.ncsu.edu; id AA28246; Thu, 25 Jul 1996 10:18:51 -0400 Received: from Untitled by cc10ss.unity.ncsu.edu (8.7.3/US20May96) id KAA27076; Thu, 25 Jul 1996 10:15:07 -0400 (EDT) X-Sender: kamorgan@pop-in.ncsu.edu Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 25 Jul 1996 10:15:15 -0400 To: see-a-librarian-l@vega.lib.ncsu.edu From: Keith Morgan Subject: Re: study hall Eric wrote: > Try connecting to the reflectors and just waiting. Try using the >reflector as a > "study hall" sort of thing. > > What do y'all think? I think this is worth trying. I plan to leave CU-See-Me on during the afternoon for a while. Keith Morgan Keith Morgan Client Services Librarian for Networked Resources North Carolina State University Libraries http://www.lib.ncsu.edu/staff/kamorgan/ From rtennant@library.berkeley.edu Thu Jul 25 10:34:41 1996 Received: by vega.lib.ncsu.edu; id AA28578; Thu, 25 Jul 1996 10:34:41 -0400 Received: by library.berkeley.edu; (5.65/1.1.8.2/29Oct94-1209AM) id AA26256; Thu, 25 Jul 1996 07:32:38 -0700 Date: Thu, 25 Jul 1996 07:32:37 -0700 (PDT) From: Roy Tennant To: see-a-librarian-l@vega.lib.ncsu.edu Subject: Re: Re> Re: Powerbook question In-Reply-To: <9607251407.AA28063@vega.lib.ncsu.edu> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Yes, we were unfortunately down from Monday evening PST (with some *very* buggy things happening beforehand) to Tuesday midday. We are definitely back up now. Thanks for your patience. On the other thread, I usually have at least three applications going at any one time and there isn't any reason why one of them can't be CU-SeeMe (except, of course, that I need to get a camera! I feel a color QuickCam in my future...) Roy On Thu, 25 Jul 1996, Eric Lease Morgan wrote: > > Has something happened to the reflector at sunsite.berkeley.edu? I > > couldn't connect either monday nor tuesday. And vega.lib.ncsu.edu seems > > empty most of the time, too... > > I believe the entire sunsite.berkeley.edu machine was down all day Monday and > Tuesday. I believe things are up and running again. > > > -- > Eric Lease Morgan > NCSU Libraries > http://www.lib.ncsu.edu/staff/morgan/ > From john@colosys.net Tue Jul 30 14:48:50 1996 Received: by vega.lib.ncsu.edu; id AA26879; Tue, 30 Jul 1996 14:48:50 -0400 Received: by tripath.colosys.net; (5.65/1.1.8.2/28Apr95-0930AM) id AA00261; Tue, 30 Jul 1996 12:41:32 -0600 Date: Tue, 30 Jul 1996 12:41:31 -0600 (MDT) From: John Campbell Subject: Re: downloadable To: see-a-librarian-l@vega.lib.ncsu.edu In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII i bought a connectix quikcam from global computer supply for $99. uses a parallel port. took about 5 minutes to get going. if you want an address for global, drop a note. john !*!*!*!*!*!*!*!*!*!*!*!*!*!* john campbell pathfinder library system grand junction, colorado john@colosys.net ***** in the war of ideas, librarians are the arms dealers for both sides !*!*!*!*!*!*!*!*!*!*!*!*!*!* On Wed, 24 Jul 1996, Lori Bell wrote: > Can anyone give me the specifications for a video camera to work with > CUSeeMe? Can you recommend a place to purchase this? The price I got on > a digital video camera is $859 and on a video camera with standard NTSC > output is $495. I wonder if this is typical or not. Any information you > could provide would be very helpful and appreciated. Thanks. > From eric_morgan@ncsu.edu Thu Aug 1 15:52:35 1996 Received: by vega.lib.ncsu.edu; id AA07117; Thu, 1 Aug 1996 15:52:35 -0400 Message-Id: <9608011952.AA07117@vega.lib.ncsu.edu> Received: from 152.1.139.102 ([152.1.139.102]) by ncsulib5.lib.ncsu.edu with SMTP; Thu, 1 Aug 1996 15:50:13 -0400 (EDT) From: Eric Lease Morgan Date: Thu, 1 Aug 1996 15:49:21 -0400 To: see-a-librarian-l@vega.lib.ncsu.edu Subject: report of stage #1 X-Mailer: MailConnect v1.2 See You See a A Librarian - Report on Stage #1 This reports on the See You See A Librarian Project's first month of operation. Connections During the first month of the project more at least 300 connections were made to either the reflector at sunsite.berkeley.edu or vega.lib.ncsu.edu. There were certainly more connections than this, but I was unable to consistently extract the number of users from the sunsite reflector.log file. Of the connections made, everybody, with the exception of one person, made more than one connection to the reflectors. One person connected more 115 times ("Thank you!") The most popular connection days were July 8th - 15th, and very few connections were made later in the month. Generally speaking, more connections were made in the afternoon (EST) than other times of the day. Some of the people connecting were from the United Kingdom and Mexico, but the majority of people were from the United States. Hardware/Software Issues The people who connected to the reflectors generally were islands of technology. In other words, these were people who had the necessary hardware and software to do "full" CU-SeeMe. It seems the necessary resources to do complete video and audio I/O are few and far between in libraries. Even here at NCSU no librarians have video cameras; the video cameras in use here at the Libraries are my personal property. Additionally, when people did have the necessary hardware, audio I/O was usually stumbling block. On the other hand, after a bit of tweaking, this looks like it can be resolved. Library Issues When discussions did take place on the reflectors, the consensus was that this technology could be used effectively to enhance library services. Some of the work being done at the University of Michigan demonstrates this as fact. Some people were going to use CU-SeeMe as a training medium. Others were going to use it as a supplement to reference services. On the other hand, an informal discussion with non-librarians (only three people), demonstrated that there is no perceived need for such a service. After explaining the concept to these people, the common response was, "But I can use a telephone for that." Unfortunately, these people did not seem to understand the subtleties of the reference interview and non-verbal communication. Future Directions Despite the lower than expected response to the See You See A Librarian Project, it will continue into its second month. The recent flurry of postings to Web4Lib concerning the organization of Internet resources gave me and idea. I am trying to put together a debate over the Internet using CU-SeeMe. So far I have tried twice to get people to participate in this debate, but the response has been the same, "I don't have the necessary hardware and software to do CU-SeeMe." It seems two things are apparent so far: 1. Many people don't have the necessary equipment to use this technology, yet. 2. CU-SeeMe may be a solution looking for a problem. "CU online!" -- Eric Lease Morgan NCSU Libraries http://www.lib.ncsu.edu/staff/morgan/ From morgan@ncsulib5.lib.ncsu.edu Mon Aug 19 14:07:41 1996 Received: by vega.lib.ncsu.edu; id AA04127; Mon, 19 Aug 1996 14:07:41 -0400 Received: from homam.lib.ncsu.edu by ncsulib5.lib.ncsu.edu with SMTP; Mon, 19 Aug 1996 14:05:07 -0400 (EDT) From: "Eric Lease Morgan" Message-Id: <960819140559.ZM983596@homam.lib.ncsu.edu> Date: Mon, 19 Aug 1996 14:05:56 -0400 Reply-To: eric_morgan@ncsu.edu X-Mailer: Z-Mail for Macintosh (3.2.2 19Jun95) To: see-a-librarian-l@vega.lib.ncsu.edu Subject: InterNIC "interview" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I was recently contacted by a representative of InterNIC, the folks who help administrate Internet domain names. They wanted some information about the See You See A Librarian project for an upcoming newsletter article. They sent me some questions and I answered them. These questions and answers are below for your late night reading enjoyment. ===== 1. Can you provide a brief outline of the project? * What gave you the idea for See You See A Librarian? * How did you go about implementing the project? * What type of support do you have for the project (i.e. funding, resources, etc.) and where did/does it come from? * How many people are involved on the management and operation of the project - from your institution? from other institutions? Around Labor Day I started asking myself how effective would the CU-SeeMe technology be in enhancing library services. Now-a-days, more and more real library work can be done by patrons without every coming to the library. Yet, there are times when a librarian's help is still needed to truely satisfy a patron's information need. It is a well known fact that communication is accomplished in many ways. Telephone communications offer immediacy but lack essencial non-verbal aspects. Email mandates concise descriptions of problems. Face-to-face communication, even at a distance, could reduce the limitations of the email and telephone mediums. I began wondering whether or not face-to-face communications using some thing like CU-SeeMe would improve the ways librarians and their patrons could solve this problem, namely the problem of assisting patrons from remote distances. In an effort to learn more about CU-SeeMe, I used my desktop computer and started trying to connect to remote CU-SeeMe reflectors. To my dismay, most times, when connecting to these reflectors, I found nobody there. "How am I suppose to explore this technology, if I can't see anybody." Consequently, I decided to set up my own reflector(s) and formulate a plan. The plan, as described at http://sunsite.berkeley.edu/~emorgan/see-a-librarian/, has three parts: 1. Feasibility - this part is/was intended to see how many librarians have the necessary hardware and software to do CU-SeeMe. 2. Librarians on Librarianship - this part intends to focus any discussion using CU-SeeMe on the issues of librarianship 3. Librarians Fostering Knowledge - this part was intended to explore the feasility of providing reference services to the Internet patrons using CU-Seeme. Finally, I gave my project a cute name, See You See A Librarian, and spammed hosts of library-related mailing list describing the project. The project has the support of both the administration at the NCSU Libraries where I am employed and people who administrate the Sunsite computer at the University of California-Berkeley (Roy Tenent). Thus, there are only a small handful of people involved in the management of the project, maybe five. The CU-SeeMe technology supports three types of communication: one-to-one, one-to-many, and many-to-many. To facilitate one-to-many and many-to-many communications there needs to be an intermediary piece of software called a "reflector." This program "reflects" CU-SeeMe connections to other people who are connected to the reflector(s). Furthermore, reflectors can be "connected" to each other so people connected to one reflector can see the people reflected to the other reflectors. There are two reflectors used in this project. One is located at the NCSU Libraries (vega.lib.ncsu.edu) and the other is at UC-Berkeley (sunsite.berkeley.edu). 2. Can you provide a brief statistical snapshot? * Number of institutions participating * Number of individuals participating * Demography of participants (i.e. trends relating to geography, size or type of institution, etc.) * Are any of the participants NOT libraries or librarians? Once the project got started in July, anybody with the necessary hardware and software was encouraged to participate. During the first month of the project more at least 300 connections were made to either the reflector at sunsite.berkeley.edu or vega.lib.ncsu.edu. There were certainly more connections than this, but I was unable to consistently extract the number of users from the sunsite reflector.log file. Of the connections made, everybody, with the exception of one person, made more than one connection to the reflectors. One person connected more 115 times. The most popular connection days were July 8th - 15th, and very few connections were made later in the month. Generally speaking, more connections were made in the afternoon (Eastern Time) than other times of the day. Some of the people connecting were from the United Kingdom and Mexico, but the majority of people were from the United States. Based on my observations all the participants were librarians, people who worked in libraries, or people who worked for the library community (consultants). Of the librarians, the mix was evenly divided between academic, special, and state-supported libraries. The sizes of the insitutions represented by the participants in not known. 3. Can you offer an analytical look at the use of the technology in the library field? * What do you see as potential areas of use for the technology in the library field? * What do you perceive to be the major drawbacks to using the technology - for the library field? * What do you perceive as major advantages? The advantages and disadvantages of interactive video conferencing (CU-SeeMe) in the library field are pretty much the same advantages and disadvantages when applied to other communication endevours. For example, CU-SeeMe requires special hardware and software in order to work, specifically video technology (a video camera) and audio technology (a microphone) as well as a high-speed Internet connection. While the Internet connection is becoming less and less of a barrier, it seems that the video/audio is the major stumbling block. Many library administrations do not support librarians with this sort of hardware. At the same time, this is understandable since no real uses of this technology have been readily demonstrated. There are a couple of other problems with the technology. For example, CU-SeeMe makes people conscious of their appearence to others. This sometimes makes people shy and not want to participate. In the other extreame, there exist on the Internet exhibitionists who intrude into CU-SeeMe reflectors and detract from the reflectors's intended use. Additionally, it is quite possible to impersonate somebody else using CU-SeeMe and commit slanderous acts. On the other hand, if the necessary hardware where many universally available, then video conferencing could be used in numerous ways in Library Land. The most obvious example from the patron's perspective is for reference queries. There are many times when it would be helpful to speak to a librarian. While telephone communications are useful, video conferencing would transmit the non-verbal aspects of the reference interview process and quite possibly improve the service. Since telephones are not available throughout libraries, video conferencing could extend reference services to the patrons in the "stacks" if a wireless network were available. Unfortunately, the few patrons I have talked to concering these sorts of ideas have not been impressed. The common response is, "I don't need CU-SeeMe to ask a reference question. I have a telephone for that." These people do not understand the sublties of the reference interview. >From a library-only point of view, CU-SeeMe could be used to facilitate the training of library staff in places where travel is difficult. For example the state library system of Florida is trying the use of CU-SeeMe for just this purpose. Since the state is so extensively rural, the state librarians are finding the use of CU-SeeMe as a way to provide in-services to remote librarians. Another alternative is to use CU-SeeMe as a medium for live debates. For example, about a month ago there was a raging debate on a popular library-related mailing list. The topic of the debate was whether or not to catalog Internet resources. Some advocated the idea and others did not. I invited four people to express their opinions concerning the topic structured as a formal debate. While the debate takes place, others can "lurk" to watch the debate. This concept would have worked for many many people even if they did not have a video camera. Unfortunately, again, the people I contacted to debate the issued did not have the necessary equipment to do CU-SeeMe. 4. Can you comment on the library field's "readiness" for CU-SeeMe and other videoconferencing and collaboration technologies? * Where are we (the library profession) now? * Where do we need to be to be, in terms of both the technology itself and the skills base, to really employ this technology to our advantage? * What needs to happen to get us to that point? I believe the library community is ready for this sort of technology. I believe all librarians would see the inherent possibilities of CU-SeeMe. At the same time, libraries are notoriously under funded; libraries are not money making organizations. Consequently, the budgets of libraries are limited and currently do not allow of very many experiments like video cameras. Similarly, like everybody else, libraries feel under staffed and to bring on new services like the use of CU-SeeMe will mean the elimination of other services. "What services do we stop doing in order to provide this new one?" In order to make the use of CU-SeeMe a reality in any institution I believe a number of things need to happen. First, there must be a commitment on the library administration to purchase the necessary hardware. Second, the administration of the institution the library services must commit to making the necessary hardware available to it constituencies. For example, video cameras could be made standard equipment in college computing labs. Next either more staff are needed to provide the newer services or other services have to eliminated. Once this happens, libraries could regularly staff the "CU-SeeMe Stations" just as they staff the reference desk and field remote reference queries. 5. It appears that your project is initially aimed at providing an interactive platform for professional collaboration in the library field. How receptive have librarians been to the idea of using the technology for this purpose? * How has the interactive nature of the technology enhanced the collaboration process over, say, simple email exchanges? In general, librarian have been positive to the use of this technology, but the vast majority of them do not have the necessary hardware to participate. Additionally, even when given the opportunity to borrow the necessary hardware they are sometimes reluctant to participate since they have little time for experimentation. At this time, there is not enough experience from the project to know whether or not the "technology enhanced the collaboration process over, say, simple email exchanges." 6. There can be little doubt that the Internet, particularly tools such as electronic mail and distributed information systems such as the World Wide Web, have had tremendous import for the nature of library work, how libraries conduct their business and carry out their missions, what that business and that mission is, and what is consequently required of the professionals in the field. Do you see CU-SeeMe and videoconferencing in general as having the same type of impact? Why or why not? While desktop video conferencing has the potential of enhancing library services quite a bit, I do not see desktop video significantly transforming library services. Libraries are about collecting, organizing, archiving, disseminating, and sometimes evaluating information. The use of CU-SeeMe or some other video conferencing technology only effects one aspect of those services (the dissemination process). Furthermore, I would personally like to see the realm of library services move from information mediation to knowledge mediation. The computer has enabled more and more people to acquire their own information without the use of a library. The real skill librarians posses is the ability to evaluate information. This evaluation process facilitates knowledge and I would like to see librarianship move in a more aggressive manner towards these goals. 7. What advice or suggestions would you give a library considering the use of CU-SEEME or other videoconferencing technology to deliver traditional library services? If I were to implement a full scale plan to incorporate something like CU-SeeMe into library services I would: 1. Equip a goodly number of librarians with the necessary hardware and software. 2. Mandate the librarians experiement with the hardware and software for a limited period of time knowing that new services were going to be implemented on a specific date in the future. 3. Advertize, advertize, and then advertize the service to the intended beneficiaries of the service. 4. Get the University's administration or computing center to equip computing labs with the necessary hardware and software to do CU-SeeMe. 5. Bring up the service on the predefined date. In summary, I believe video conferencing can be used effectivly in library settings. Unfortunately, even though librarians work in learning/teaching/academic/exploration settings, it is difficult for librarians to act in learning/teaching/academic/exploration modes. It is difficult not because librarians don't have the necessary skills, but rather there seems to little time for these sorts of activities. It may seem oxymoronic, but change is the norm. All insitutions must think about change and how to cope with it. Until this happens, innovations will not be explored with very much rigor until they are thrust upon us by outside forces. Hopefully we, as well as other professions, can learn to adjust. -- Eric Lease Morgan NCSU Libraries http://www.lib.ncsu.edu/staff/morgan/ From morgan@ncsulib5.lib.ncsu.edu Tue Aug 20 08:58:56 1996 Received: by vega.lib.ncsu.edu; id AA10683; Tue, 20 Aug 1996 08:58:56 -0400 Received: from homam.lib.ncsu.edu by ncsulib5.lib.ncsu.edu with SMTP; Tue, 20 Aug 1996 8:56:28 -0400 (EDT) From: "Eric Lease Morgan" Message-Id: <960820085721.ZM6387@homam.lib.ncsu.edu> Date: Tue, 20 Aug 1996 08:57:19 -0400 Reply-To: eric_morgan@ncsu.edu X-Mailer: Z-Mail for Macintosh (3.3.1 27Mar96) To: see-a-librarian-l@vega.lib.ncsu.edu Subject: debate Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii In order to fulfill my self-imposed requirements of Stage #2 of the See You See A Librarian project (Librarians on Librarianship), I have tried to coordinate a debate. In this debate each side of an argument would be given 10 minutes to state their case and 5 minutes for rebuttal. During the debate others, like yourselves, could lurk and watch. Thus, this sort of use of CU-SeeMe would provide immediate responses to issues and would not require people to write their responses. At the same time, the person with the more carisma may seem to present their idea better. I propose(d) the debate be on some "hot" topic of the day such as cataloging Internet resources. I have contacted four different people that I identified as possible debators, but alas, none of these people had the necessary hardware and software to do full CU-SeeMe. Can you think of a "hot" topic to debate, AND can you think of some people who may be able to defend either side of the topic's issues? -- Eric Lease Morgan NCSU Libraries http://www.lib.ncsu.edu/staff/morgan/ From morgan@ncsulib5.lib.ncsu.edu Tue Aug 20 09:05:19 1996 Received: by vega.lib.ncsu.edu; id AA10938; Tue, 20 Aug 1996 09:05:19 -0400 Received: from homam.lib.ncsu.edu by ncsulib5.lib.ncsu.edu with SMTP; Tue, 20 Aug 1996 8:59:21 -0400 (EDT) From: "Eric Lease Morgan" Message-Id: <960820090015.ZM6387@homam.lib.ncsu.edu> Date: Tue, 20 Aug 1996 09:00:12 -0400 Reply-To: eric_morgan@ncsu.edu X-Mailer: Z-Mail for Macintosh (3.3.1 27Mar96) To: see-a-librarian-l@vega.lib.ncsu.edu Subject: Stage #3 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I am seriously thinking of cancelling Stage #3 of the Project (Librarians Fostering Knowledge) because I believe there is not a critical mass of librarians who own the necessary hardware and software to do CU-SeeMe. What do you thinque? -- Eric Lease Morgan NCSU Libraries http://www.lib.ncsu.edu/staff/morgan/ From pzilius@umich.edu Tue Aug 20 10:00:36 1996 Received: by vega.lib.ncsu.edu; id AA11400; Tue, 20 Aug 1996 10:00:36 -0400 Received: from localhost by tempest.rs.itd.umich.edu (8.7.5/2.2) id JAA06473; Tue, 20 Aug 1996 09:56:39 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 20 Aug 1996 09:56:39 -0400 (EDT) From: "Pamela M. Zilius" X-Sender: pzilius@tempest.rs.itd.umich.edu Reply-To: "Pamela M. Zilius" To: see-a-librarian-l@vega.lib.ncsu.edu Subject: Stage #3 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I think that if you posted "hours" for this discussion to happen, say between 3-6 EST Monday, Wednesday, and Friday, a lot more people would be likley to sign on. In my case, I'm too busy to sign on all the time and hope someone else comes along. But if I knew other people would probably be there, I'd not only sign myself on, I'd advertise it to others so that people could come to our high-tech lab and do it too. Knowing something would be going on would make them more likely to come. I think it's a great idea, and please keep it running. In the future you might look at a purposeful distribution of necessary software/hardware across several institutions' libraries, along with troubleshooting and installation help. That might prove your point that people would use it if the hardware/software were available. good luck! -Pam Zilius-Careaga ------------------------------------------ Pamela Zilius-Careaga pzilius@umich.edu Media Union/Science Libraries University of Michigan 313-763-4837 ------------------------------------------ On Tue, 20 Aug 1996, Eric LeaseMorgan wrote: > > I am seriously thinking of cancelling Stage #3 of the Project > (Librarians Fostering Knowledge) because I believe there is not a > critical mass of librarians who own the necessary hardware and software > to do CU-SeeMe. > > What do you thinque? > > > -- > Eric Lease Morgan > NCSU Libraries > http://www.lib.ncsu.edu/staff/morgan/ > From agarza@ci.mty.itesm.mx Tue Aug 20 10:10:38 1996 Received: by vega.lib.ncsu.edu; id AA11577; Tue, 20 Aug 1996 10:10:38 -0400 Received: from ci.mty.itesm.mx (ci.mty.itesm.mx [131.178.23.20]) by campus.mty.itesm.mx (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id JAA28188 for ; Tue, 20 Aug 1996 09:00:20 -0600 Date: Tue, 20 Aug 1996 09:06:21 -0600 (GMT-0600) From: Alejandro Garza Gonzalez To: see-a-librarian-l@vega.lib.ncsu.edu Subject: Re: Stage #3 In-Reply-To: <960820090015.ZM6387@homam.lib.ncsu.edu> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII For the past two weeks or so, I have been trying to connect to both reflectors, but I have found that one of both is always or almost always down. IMO, this has discouraged people from connecting. However, there is truth in there not being, at least, a known base of librarians equipped to do 'full' cu-seeme. I am at a loss as to how to find those that are... How about getting Connectix to sponsor the project and supply it with, say, 10 QuickCams? (Crazy Idea) _ alejandro garza _________________ __ _ _ _ _ ITESM Centro de Informacion-Biblioteca Monterrey agarza@campus.mty.itesm.mx _ http://www-cib.mty.itesm.mx/ ____ __ _ _ _ _ On Tue, 20 Aug 1996, Eric Lease Morgan wrote: > I am seriously thinking of cancelling Stage #3 of the Project > (Librarians Fostering Knowledge) because I believe there is not a > critical mass of librarians who own the necessary hardware and software > to do CU-SeeMe. > > What do you thinque? > > -- > Eric Lease Morgan > NCSU Libraries > http://www.lib.ncsu.edu/staff/morgan/ From ehschnel@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu Tue Aug 20 11:44:21 1996 Received: by vega.lib.ncsu.edu; id AA13211; Tue, 20 Aug 1996 11:44:21 -0400 Received: from auto3 (hsl-auto3.med.ohio-state.edu [140.254.71.180]) by mail2.uts.ohio-state.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA28078 for ; Tue, 20 Aug 1996 11:40:24 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <2.2.32.19960820154305.002f40f4@pop.service.ohio-state.edu> X-Sender: ehschnel@pop.service.ohio-state.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 20 Aug 1996 11:43:05 -0400 To: see-a-librarian-l@vega.lib.ncsu.edu From: Eric Schnell Subject: Re: Stage #3 At 09:05 AM 8/20/96 -0400, Eric Lease Morgan wrote: > >I am seriously thinking of cancelling Stage #3 of the Project >(Librarians Fostering Knowledge) because I believe there is not a >critical mass of librarians who own the necessary hardware and software >to do CU-SeeMe. > I have to agree. I think this is a great concept which time will come. My problem is I can't quite convince my Director to spend the $ to get me up and running alone. Eric, you're ahead of your time... -Eric Eric Schnell, Head of Automation Services Prior Health Sciences Library, Ohio State schnell.9@osu.edu 614-292-4870 http://bones.med.ohio-state.edu/eric.html From Tony.Barry@anu.edu.au Wed Aug 21 01:18:54 1996 Received: by vega.lib.ncsu.edu; id AA19777; Wed, 21 Aug 1996 01:18:54 -0400 Received: from [150.203.168.5] by ningaui.anu.edu.au with SMTP (MailShare 1.0fc5); Wed, 21 Aug 1996 15:14:27 +1000 X-Sender: tony@xinfo.anu.edu.au Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 21 Aug 1996 15:14:11 +1000 To: see-a-librarian-l@vega.lib.ncsu.edu From: Tony.Barry@anu.edu.au (Tony Barry) Subject: Re: Stage #3 At 09:05 on 96/08/20, Eric Lease Morgan wrote: > not a > critical mass of librarians who own the necessary hardware and software > to do CU-SeeMe. > > What do you thinque? Not yet but pretty soon video and audio conferencing will become integrated into WWW. chat facilities are there already and audio facilities. The scope of the list could be widened? Tony ______________________________________________ Email : Tony.Barry@library.anu.edu.au Vision & voice : CUSeeMe - ningaui.anu.edu.au Voice : +61 6 249 4632 Fax: +61 6 279 8120 Details : http://snazzy.anu.edu.au/People/TonyB.html Head, Center for Networked Access to Scholarly Information, Australian National University Library, A.C.T. 0200, AUSTRALIA. From Tony.Barry@anu.edu.au Wed Aug 21 01:19:05 1996 Received: by vega.lib.ncsu.edu; id AA19785; Wed, 21 Aug 1996 01:19:05 -0400 Received: from [150.203.168.5] by ningaui.anu.edu.au with SMTP (MailShare 1.0fc5); Wed, 21 Aug 1996 15:14:30 +1000 X-Sender: tony@xinfo.anu.edu.au Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 21 Aug 1996 15:14:14 +1000 To: see-a-librarian-l@vega.lib.ncsu.edu From: Tony.Barry@anu.edu.au (Tony Barry) Subject: Re: Stage #3 At 10:01 on 96/08/20, Pamela M. Zilius wrote: > I think that if you posted "hours" for this discussion to happen, say > between 3-6 EST Monday, Wednesday, and Friday, a lot more people would be > likley to sign on. Hey! I'm still in bed 3pm your time but will have just made it to work 6pm! Tony ______________________________________________ Email : Tony.Barry@library.anu.edu.au Vision & voice : CUSeeMe - ningaui.anu.edu.au Voice : +61 6 249 4632 Fax: +61 6 279 8120 Details : http://snazzy.anu.edu.au/People/TonyB.html Head, Center for Networked Access to Scholarly Information, Australian National University Library, A.C.T. 0200, AUSTRALIA. From lbx001@coventry.ac.uk Wed Aug 21 06:54:25 1996 Received: by vega.lib.ncsu.edu; id AA24813; Wed, 21 Aug 1996 06:54:25 -0400 Received: from l227-1.coventry.ac.uk (l227-1.coventry.ac.uk [194.66.37.84]) by coventry.ac.uk (8.6.13/8.6.11) with SMTP id LAA17937 for ; Wed, 21 Aug 1996 11:50:26 +0100 Message-Id: <321B58A8.CF9@coventry.ac.uk> Date: Wed, 21 Aug 1996 11:42:48 -0700 From: Graham Daniels Organization: Coventry University X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.0 (Win16; I) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: see-a-librarian-l@vega.lib.ncsu.edu Subject: Re: Stage #3 References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi all, Have recently purchased a couple of cameras but often had trouble connecting to the reflectors, or there have been very few other people online. I think we need to explore the possibilites for this type of technology; would like to see the project continue. Regards, Graham. ********************* Graham Daniels Systems Librarian Coventry University United Kingdom lbx001@coventry.ac.uk ********************* From morgan@ncsulib5.lib.ncsu.edu Fri Aug 23 09:46:28 1996 Received: by vega.lib.ncsu.edu; id AA20924; Fri, 23 Aug 1996 09:46:28 -0400 Received: from homam.lib.ncsu.edu by ncsulib5.lib.ncsu.edu with SMTP; Fri, 23 Aug 1996 9:44:00 -0400 (EDT) From: "Eric Lease Morgan" Message-Id: <960823094457.ZM9807@homam.lib.ncsu.edu> Date: Fri, 23 Aug 1996 09:44:54 -0400 In-Reply-To: "Pamela M. Zilius" "Stage #3" (Aug 20, 10:01am) References: Reply-To: eric_morgan@ncsu.edu X-Mailer: Z-Mail for Macintosh (3.3.1 27Mar96) To: see-a-librarian-l@vega.lib.ncsu.edu Subject: Re: Stage #3 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii On Aug 20, 10:01am, Pamela M. Zilius wrote: > Subject: Stage #3 > > I think that if you posted "hours" for this discussion to happen, say > between 3-6 EST Monday, Wednesday, and Friday, a lot more people would be > likley to sign on. I believe this is a good idea too, and for the sake of argument, lets' make this the standing "meeting" time. > In my case, I'm too busy to sign on all the time and hope someone else > comes along. But if I knew other people would probably be there, I'd not > only sign myself on, I'd advertise it to others so that people could come > to our high-tech lab and do it too. Knowing something would be going on > would make them more likely to come. After a bit of software tweeking, I believe I can be online almost all the time. For a limited time I will try to hangout all day long. > I think it's a great idea, and please keep it running. In the future you > might look at a purposeful distribution of necessary software/hardware > across several institutions' libraries, along with troubleshooting and > installation help. That might prove your point that people would use it if > the hardware/software were available. Please be more specific. Can you suggest a plan? -- Eric Lease Morgan NCSU Libraries http://www.lib.ncsu.edu/staff/morgan/ From morgan@ncsulib5.lib.ncsu.edu Fri Aug 23 09:48:47 1996 Received: by vega.lib.ncsu.edu; id AA20976; Fri, 23 Aug 1996 09:48:47 -0400 Received: from homam.lib.ncsu.edu by ncsulib5.lib.ncsu.edu with SMTP; Fri, 23 Aug 1996 9:46:19 -0400 (EDT) From: "Eric Lease Morgan" Message-Id: <960823094716.ZM9807@homam.lib.ncsu.edu> Date: Fri, 23 Aug 1996 09:47:13 -0400 In-Reply-To: Alejandro Garza Gonzalez "Re: Stage #3" (Aug 20, 10:11am) References: Reply-To: eric_morgan@ncsu.edu X-Mailer: Z-Mail for Macintosh (3.3.1 27Mar96) To: see-a-librarian-l@vega.lib.ncsu.edu Subject: Re: Stage #3 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii On Aug 20, 10:11am, Alejandro Garza Gonzalez wrote: > Subject: Re: Stage #3 > For the past two weeks or so, I have been trying to connect to both > reflectors, but I have found that one of both is always or almost always > down. IMO, this has discouraged people from connecting. Remember, if you connect to one reflector no one may be there. If you then immediately connect to the other reflector it will give you an error message (No response.) Wait about one minute and your connection to the other reflector will be estabolished. > How about getting Connectix to sponsor the project and supply it with, > say, 10 QuickCams? (Crazy Idea) I like this idea. Can you think of a more formal proposal? -- Eric Lease Morgan NCSU Libraries http://www.lib.ncsu.edu/staff/morgan/ From morgan@ncsulib5.lib.ncsu.edu Fri Aug 23 09:53:51 1996 Received: by vega.lib.ncsu.edu; id AA21081; Fri, 23 Aug 1996 09:53:51 -0400 Received: from homam.lib.ncsu.edu by ncsulib5.lib.ncsu.edu with SMTP; Fri, 23 Aug 1996 9:51:22 -0400 (EDT) From: "Eric Lease Morgan" Message-Id: <960823095219.ZM9807@homam.lib.ncsu.edu> Date: Fri, 23 Aug 1996 09:52:17 -0400 In-Reply-To: Tony.Barry@anu.edu.au (Tony Barry) "Re: Stage #3" (Aug 21, 8:45am) References: Reply-To: eric_morgan@ncsu.edu X-Mailer: Z-Mail for Macintosh (3.3.1 27Mar96) To: see-a-librarian-l@vega.lib.ncsu.edu Subject: Re: Stage #3 : scope of list Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii On Aug 21, 8:45am, Tony Barry wrote: > Subject: Re: Stage #3 > At 09:05 on 96/08/20, Eric Lease Morgan wrote: > > > not a > > critical mass of librarians who own the necessary hardware and software > > to do CU-SeeMe. > > > > What do you thinque? > > Not yet but pretty soon video and audio conferencing will become integrated > into WWW. chat facilities are there already and audio facilities. The scope > of the list could be widened? Yes, video and audio may be integrated into our WWW browsers, but they will still need the video and audio hardware to drive the software. Where are all those multi-media PCs? I am hesitant to widen the scope of this list at the present time. -- Eric Lease Morgan NCSU Libraries http://www.lib.ncsu.edu/staff/morgan/ From morgan@ncsulib5.lib.ncsu.edu Fri Aug 23 09:57:44 1996 Received: by vega.lib.ncsu.edu; id AA21175; Fri, 23 Aug 1996 09:57:44 -0400 Received: from homam.lib.ncsu.edu by ncsulib5.lib.ncsu.edu with SMTP; Fri, 23 Aug 1996 9:55:16 -0400 (EDT) From: "Eric Lease Morgan" Message-Id: <960823095613.ZM9807@homam.lib.ncsu.edu> Date: Fri, 23 Aug 1996 09:56:11 -0400 In-Reply-To: Tony.Barry@anu.edu.au (Tony Barry) "Re: Stage #3" (Aug 21, 8:45am) References: Reply-To: eric_morgan@ncsu.edu X-Mailer: Z-Mail for Macintosh (3.3.1 27Mar96) To: see-a-librarian-l@vega.lib.ncsu.edu Subject: Re: Stage #3 : "down under" reflector? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii On Aug 21, 8:45am, Tony Barry wrote: > Subject: Re: Stage #3 > At 10:01 on 96/08/20, Pamela M. Zilius wrote: > > > I think that if you posted "hours" for this discussion to happen, say > > between 3-6 EST Monday, Wednesday, and Friday, a lot more people would be > > likley to sign on. > > Hey! I'm still in bed 3pm your time but will have just made it to work 6pm! Do you think you could set up a UNI-CAST reflector downunder? I would require a Unix computer on fairly high speed connection. I can supply you with the necessary configuration file. -- Eric Lease Morgan NCSU Libraries http://www.lib.ncsu.edu/staff/morgan/ From morgan@ncsulib5.lib.ncsu.edu Fri Aug 23 10:00:32 1996 Received: by vega.lib.ncsu.edu; id AA21259; Fri, 23 Aug 1996 10:00:32 -0400 Received: from homam.lib.ncsu.edu by ncsulib5.lib.ncsu.edu with SMTP; Fri, 23 Aug 1996 9:58:03 -0400 (EDT) From: "Eric Lease Morgan" Message-Id: <960823095900.ZM9807@homam.lib.ncsu.edu> Date: Fri, 23 Aug 1996 09:58:58 -0400 In-Reply-To: Graham Daniels "Re: Stage #3" (Aug 21, 8:46am) References: <321B58A8.CF9@coventry.ac.uk> Reply-To: eric_morgan@ncsu.edu X-Mailer: Z-Mail for Macintosh (3.3.1 27Mar96) To: see-a-librarian-l@vega.lib.ncsu.edu Subject: Re: Stage #3 : "hanging out" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > Have recently purchased a couple of cameras but often had trouble > connecting to the reflectors, or there have been very few other people > online. > > I think we need to explore the possibilites for this type of technology; > would like to see the project continue. Thank you for your support. There is no reason why you can't connect to the reflectors and just hang out; you can wait for someone else to arrive. If you are concerned about taking up unnecessary bandwidth, then you can tell your CU-SeeMe program to stop sending audio and video. When somebody does connect to the reflector, you should hear a clicking sound. At that time you can start sending input. -- Eric Lease Morgan NCSU Libraries http://www.lib.ncsu.edu/staff/morgan/ From agarza@ci.mty.itesm.mx Fri Aug 23 10:22:00 1996 Received: by vega.lib.ncsu.edu; id AA22197; Fri, 23 Aug 1996 10:22:00 -0400 Received: from ci.mty.itesm.mx (ci.mty.itesm.mx [131.178.23.20]) by campus.mty.itesm.mx (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id JAA41328 for ; Fri, 23 Aug 1996 09:11:35 -0600 Date: Fri, 23 Aug 1996 09:17:39 -0600 (GMT-0600) From: Alejandro Garza Gonzalez To: see-a-librarian-l@vega.lib.ncsu.edu Subject: Re: Obtaining support from sponsors... In-Reply-To: <960823094716.ZM9807@homam.lib.ncsu.edu> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII > > How about getting Connectix to sponsor the project and supply it with, > > say, 10 QuickCams? (Crazy Idea) > > I like this idea. Can you think of a more formal proposal? Well, I can think of what See-You-See-A-Librarian would mean for general internet users, as a group of Librarians offering expertise to find what they want in a vast sea of [chaotic?] knowledge. I can't think of a higher value-added service, given the right tools and kinds of people at both ends. I would think that it would be advantageous for any company to relate itself with the project; and what better way for Connectix to showcase their affordable, widely available and easy-to-use technologies? Come to think of it, White Pine (who sells Enhanced Cu-SeeMe) could get into the act too. Opinions? > Eric Lease Morgan _ alejandro garza _________________ __ _ _ _ _ ITESM Centro de Informacion-Biblioteca Monterrey agarza@campus.mty.itesm.mx _ http://www-cib.mty.itesm.mx/ ____ __ _ _ _ _ From morgan@ncsulib5.lib.ncsu.edu Fri Aug 23 13:55:06 1996 Received: by vega.lib.ncsu.edu; id AA23770; Fri, 23 Aug 1996 13:55:06 -0400 Received: from homam.lib.ncsu.edu by ncsulib5.lib.ncsu.edu with SMTP; Fri, 23 Aug 1996 13:52:37 -0400 (EDT) From: "Eric Lease Morgan" Message-Id: <960823135334.ZM9807@homam.lib.ncsu.edu> Date: Fri, 23 Aug 1996 13:53:32 -0400 In-Reply-To: Alejandro Garza Gonzalez "Re: Obtaining support from sponsors..." (Aug 23, 10:22am) References: Reply-To: eric_morgan@ncsu.edu X-Mailer: Z-Mail for Macintosh (3.3.1 27Mar96) To: see-a-librarian-l@vega.lib.ncsu.edu Subject: Re: Obtaining support from sponsors... Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > ...Come to think of it, White Pine (who sells Enhanced Cu-SeeMe) could get > into the act too. I will think about these things some more. Thanks! -- Eric Lease Morgan NCSU Libraries http://www.lib.ncsu.edu/staff/morgan/ From morgan@ncsulib5.lib.ncsu.edu Wed Aug 28 11:31:25 1996 Received: by vega.lib.ncsu.edu; id AA21868; Wed, 28 Aug 1996 11:31:25 -0400 Received: from homam.lib.ncsu.edu by ncsulib5.lib.ncsu.edu with SMTP; Wed, 28 Aug 1996 11:28:54 -0400 (EDT) From: "Eric Lease Morgan" Message-Id: <960828112958.ZM110490@homam.lib.ncsu.edu> Date: Wed, 28 Aug 1996 11:29:55 -0400 In-Reply-To: Alejandro Garza Gonzalez "Re: Obtaining support from sponsors..." (Aug 23, 10:22am) References: Reply-To: eric_morgan@ncsu.edu X-Mailer: Z-Mail for Macintosh (3.3.1 27Mar96) To: see-a-librarian-l@vega.lib.ncsu.edu Subject: Re: Obtaining support from sponsors... Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > I would think that it would be advantageous for any company to relate > itself with the project; and what better way for Connectix to showcase > their affordable, widely available and easy-to-use technologies? After giving it some more thought and talking to a few people, this may be a good idea, but I am not going to persue it. Thanks for the idea. -- Eric Lease Morgan NCSU Libraries http://www.lib.ncsu.edu/staff/morgan/ From morgan@ncsulib5.lib.ncsu.edu Thu Sep 5 14:58:46 1996 Received: by vega.lib.ncsu.edu; id AA12745; Thu, 5 Sep 1996 14:58:46 -0400 Received: from homam.lib.ncsu.edu by ncsulib5.lib.ncsu.edu with SMTP; Thu, 5 Sep 1996 14:56:14 -0400 (EDT) From: "Eric Lease Morgan" Message-Id: <960905145727.ZM8643@homam.lib.ncsu.edu> Date: Thu, 5 Sep 1996 14:57:23 -0400 Reply-To: eric_morgan@ncsu.edu X-Mailer: Z-Mail for Macintosh (3.3.1 27Mar96) To: see-a-librarian-l@vega.lib.ncsu.edu Subject: InterNIC interview Cc: robinm@internic.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii The following text has appeared in Robin Murphy, "An Interview with Eric Lease Morgan". InterNIC News 1:6 (September 1996). It is an interview describing my experiences with CU-SeeMe and the See You See A Librarian Project. You can read the original text in HTML at: http://rs.internic.net/nic-support/nicnews/cu-seeme-inter.html The lastest and back issues of InterNIC News can be found at: http://rs.internic.net/nic-support/nicnews/archive/ ===== An Interview with Eric Lease Morgan Director of the "See You See a Librarian" project at NCSU By Robin Murphy, InterNIC Support Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ---- See You See A Librarian is an experiment, directed by Eric Lease Morgan at North Carolina State University, to examine the use of CU-SeeMe technology in librarianship and information seeking. We conducted a brief interview with Eric to ask him about his project, what role he sees for videoconferencing in libraries, whether the library community is "ready" for videoconferencing. We also asked what advice he has for libraries considering adopting the technology. Eric can be reached directly for more information at eric_morgan@ncsu.edu. InterNIC: Can you provide a brief outline of your project? What gave you the idea for See You See A Librarian, and how did you go about implementing the project? ELM: Around Memorial Day I started asking myself how effective would the CU-SeeMe technology be in enhancing library services. Now-a-days, more and more real library work can be done by patrons without every coming to the library. Yet, there are times when a librarian's help is still needed to truely satisfy a patron's information need. It is a well known fact that communication is accomplished in many ways. Telephone communications offer immediacy but lack essential non-verbal aspects. Email mandates concise descriptions of problems. Face-to-face communication, even at a distance, could reduce the limitations of the email and telephone mediums. I began wondering whether or not face-to-face communications using some thing like CU-SeeMe would improve the ways librarians and their patrons could solve this problem - namely the problem of assisting patrons from remote distances. In an effort to learn more about CU-SeeMe, I used my desktop computer and started trying to connect to remote CU-SeeMe reflectors. To my dismay, most times, when connecting to these reflectors, I found nobody there. "How am I suppose to explore this technology, if I can't see anybody." Consequently, I decided to set up my own reflector(s) and formulate a plan. The plan, as described at http://sunsite.berkeley.edu/~emorgan/see-a-librarian/, has three parts: 1. Feasibility - this part is/was intended to see how many librarians have the necessary hardware and software to use CU-SeeMe. 2. Librarians on Librarianship - this part intends to focus discussions, using CU-SeeMe technology, on the issues of librarianship. 3. Librarians Fostering Knowledge - this part was intended to explore the feasility of providing reference services to Internet patrons using CU-SeeMe. Finally, I gave my project a cute name, "See You See A Librarian," and sent an announcement to library-related mailing lists describing the project. InterNIC: What type of support do you have for the project (i.e. funding, resources, etc.) and where did/does it come from? How many people are involved on the management and operation of the project - from your institution or from other institutions? ELM: The project has the support of both the administration at the NCSU Libraries where I am employed and people who administer the Sunsite computer at the University of California-Berkeley (Roy Tenent). Thus, there are only a small handful of people involved in the management of the project, maybe five. The CU-SeeMe technology supports three types of communication: one-to-one, one-to-many, and many-to-many. To facilitate one-to-many and many-to-many communication, there needs to be an intermediary piece of software called a "reflector." This program "reflects" CU-SeeMe connections to other people who are connected to the reflector(s). Furthermore, reflectors can be "connected" to each other, so that people connected to one reflector can see the people reflected to the other reflectors. There are two reflectors used in this project. One is located at the NCSU Libraries (vega.lib.ncsu.edu) and the other is at UC-Berkeley (sunsite.berkeley.edu). InterNIC: Can you provide a brief statistical snapshot - number of institutions participating, number of individuals participating, demography of participants (i.e. trends relating to geography, size or type of institution, etc.)? Are any of the participants not libraries or librarians? ELM: Once the project got started in July, anybody with the necessary hardware and software was encouraged to participate. During the first month of the project more than at least 300 connections were made, either to the reflector at sunsite.berkeley.edu or to the one at vega.lib.ncsu.edu. There were certainly more connections than this, but I was unable to consistently extract the number of users from the sunsite reflector.log file. Of the connections made, everybody, with the exception of one person, made more than one connection to the reflectors. One person connected more than 115 times. The most popular connection days were July 8th - 15th, and very few connections were made later in the month. Generally speaking, more connections were made in the afternoon (Eastern Time) than other times of the day. Some of the people connecting were from the United Kingdom and Mexico, but the majority of people were from the United States. Based on my observations all the participants were librarians, people who worked in libraries, or people who worked for the library community (consultants). Of the librarians, the mix was evenly divided between academic, special, and state-supported libraries. The sizes of the insitutions represented by the participants is not known. InterNIC: Can you offer an analytical look at the use of the technology in the library field? What do you see as potential areas of use for the technology in the library field? What do you perceive to be the major drawbacks to using the technology - for the library field? What do you perceive as major advantages? ELM: The advantages and disadvantages of interactive video conferencing (CU-SeeMe) in the library field are pretty much the same advantages and disadvantages when applied to other communication endeavours. For example, CU-SeeMe requires special hardware and software in order to work, specifically video technology (a video camera) and audio technology (a microphone) as well as a high-speed Internet connection. While the Internet connection is becoming less and less of a barrier, it seems that the video/audio is the major stumbling block. Many library administrations do not support librarians with this sort of hardware. At the same time, this is understandable since no real uses of this technology have been readily demonstrated. There are a couple of other problems with the technology. For example, CU-SeeMe makes people conscious of their appearence to others. This sometimes makes people shy and not want to participate. In the other extreme, there exist on the Internet exhibitionists who intrude into CU-SeeMe reflectors and detract from the reflectors' intended use. Additionally, it is quite possible to impersonate somebody else using CU-SeeMe and commit slanderous acts. On the other hand, if the necessary hardware were universally available, then video conferencing could be used in numerous ways in Library Land. The most obvious example from the patron's perspective is for reference queries. There are many times when it would be helpful to speak to a librarian. While telephone communications are useful, video conferencing would transmit the non-verbal aspects of the reference interview process and quite possibly improve the service. Since telephones are not available throughout libraries, video conferencing could extend reference services to the patrons in the "stacks" if a wireless network were available. Unfortunately, the few patrons I have talked to concering these sorts of ideas have not been impressed. The common response is, "I don't need CU-SeeMe to ask a reference question. I have a telephone for that." These people do not understand the subtleties of the reference interview. From a library-only point of view, CU-SeeMe could be used to facilitate the training of library staff in places where travel is difficult. For example the state library system of Florida is trying the use of CU-SeeMe for just this purpose. Since the state is so extensively rural, the state librarians are finding the use of CU-SeeMe as a way to provide in-services to remote librarians. Another alternative is to use CU-SeeMe as a medium for live debates. For example, about a month ago there was a raging debate on a popular library-related mailing list. The topic of the debate was whether or not to catalog Internet resources. Some advocated the idea and others did not. I invited four people to express their opinions concerning the topic in a formal debate. While the debate takes place, others can "lurk" to watch the debate. This concept would have worked for many, many people, even if they did not have a video camera. Unfortunately, again, the people I contacted to debate the issue did not have the necessary equipment to use CU-SeeMe. InterNIC: Can you comment on the library field's "readiness" for CU-SeeMe and other videoconferencing and collaboration technologies? For example, where is the library profession now? Where do the profession need to be to be, in terms of both the technology and the skills, to really employ this technology to their advantage? What needs to happen to get the library profession to that point? ELM: I believe the library community is ready for this sort of technology. I believe all librarians would see the inherent possibilities of CU-SeeMe. At the same time, libraries are notoriously under-funded; libraries are not money-making organizations. Consequently, the budgets of libraries are limited and currently do not allow for very many experiments. Similarly, like everybody else, libraries feel under- staffed and to bring on new services, like the use of CU-SeeMe, will mean the elimination of other services. "What services do we stop doing in order to provide this new one?" In order to make the use of CU-SeeMe a reality in any institution I believe a number of things need to happen. First, there must be a commitment on the part of the library administration to purchase the necessary hardware. Second, the administration of the institution the library must commit to making the necessary hardware available to their constituencies. For example, video cameras could be made standard equipment in college computing labs. Next, either more staff are needed to provide the newer services or other services have to be eliminated. Once this happens, libraries could regularly staff the "CU-SeeMe Stations," just as they staff the reference desk, and field remote reference queries. InterNIC: It appears that your project is initially aimed at providing an interactive platform for professional collaboration in the library field. How receptive have librarians been to the idea of using the technology for this purpose? Have you found that the interactive nature of the technology enhanced the collaboration process over, say, simple email exchanges? ELM: In general, librarians have been positive regarding the use of this technology, but the vast majority of them do not have the necessary hardware to participate. Additionally, even when given the opportunity to borrow the necessary hardware they are sometimes reluctant to participate since they have little time for experimentation. At this time, there is not enough experience from the project to know whether or not the "technology enhanced the collaboration process over, say, simple email exchanges." InterNIC: There can be little doubt that the Internet, particularly tools such as electronic mail and distributed information systems such as the World Wide Web, have had tremendous import for the nature of library work - how libraries conduct their business and carry out their missions, what that business and that mission is, and what is consequently required of the professionals in the field. Do you see CU-SeeMe and videoconferencing in general as having the same type of impact? Why or why not? ELM: While desktop video conferencing has the potential of enhancing library services quite a bit, I do not see desktop video significantly transforming library services. Libraries are about collecting, organizing, archiving, disseminating, and sometimes evaluating information. The use of CU-SeeMe or some other video conferencing technology only effects one aspect of those services (the dissemination process). Furthermore, I would personally like to see the realm of library services move from information mediation to knowledge mediation. The computer has enabled more and more people to acquire their own information without the use of a library. The real skill librarians posses is the ability to evaluate information. This evaluation process facilitates knowledge and I would like to see librarianship move in a more aggressive manner towards these goals. InterNIC: What advice or suggestions would you give a library considering the use of CU-SeeMe or other videoconferencing technology to deliver traditional library services? ELM: If I were to implement a full scale plan to incorporate something like CU-SeeMe into library services, I would: 1. Equip a goodly number of librarians with the necessary hardware and software. 2. Mandate the librarians experiment with the hardware and software for a limited period of time knowing that new services were going to be implemented on a specific date in the future. 3. Advertise, advertise, and then advertise the service to the intended beneficiaries of the service. 4. Get the University's administration or computing center to equip computing labs with the necessary hardware and software to use CU-SeeMe. 5. Bring up the service on the predefined date. In summary, I believe video conferencing can be used effectively in library settings. Unfortunately, even though librarians work in learning/teaching/academic/exploration settings, it is difficult for librarians to act in learning/teaching/academic/exploration modes. It is difficult not because librarians don't have the necessary skills, but rather there seems too little time for these sorts of activities. It may seem oxymoronic, but change is the norm. All institutions must think about change and how to cope with it. Until this happens, innovations will not be explored with very much rigor unless they are thrust upon us by outside forces. Hopefully we, as well as other professions, can learn to adjust. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ---- This file last modified 9/3/96. This article is reprinted with permission from the InterNIC News, published by the InterNIC. This newsletter and its contents may not be sold for profit or incorporated in commercial documents without the written permission of the copyright holder. This material is based on work sponsored by the National Science Foundation under Cooperative Agreement #NCR-9218742. The Government has certain rights in this material. -- Eric Lease Morgan NCSU Libraries http://www.lib.ncsu.edu/staff/morgan/ From morgan@ncsulib5.lib.ncsu.edu Thu Sep 19 16:57:37 1996 Received: by vega.lib.ncsu.edu; id AA19324; Thu, 19 Sep 1996 16:57:37 -0400 Received: from homam.lib.ncsu.edu by ncsulib5.lib.ncsu.edu with SMTP; Thu, 19 Sep 1996 16:55:01 -0400 (EDT) From: "Eric Lease Morgan" Message-Id: <960919165320.ZM61363@homam.lib.ncsu.edu> Date: Thu, 19 Sep 1996 16:53:16 -0400 Reply-To: eric_morgan@ncsu.edu X-Mailer: Z-Mail for Macintosh (3.3.1 27Mar96) To: see-a-librarian-l@vega.lib.ncsu.edu Subject: end of project Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii At the end of this month or soon after I will be turning off the reflectors. In the meantime I will be writing up the final report. The report will include full access to the archives of this mailing list. Additionally, since *people* are the real sources of information, I would like to include the names and email addresses of the this list's membership so future readers can identify people who are interested in video conferencing technology. If you would NOT like to have your name and email address included in the final report, then please email me personally and I will make is so. -- Eric Lease Morgan NCSU Libraries http://www.lib.ncsu.edu/staff/morgan/ From keene@luna.cas.usf.edu Thu Sep 19 19:31:42 1996 Received: by vega.lib.ncsu.edu; id AA19752; Thu, 19 Sep 1996 19:31:42 -0400 Received: from localhost (keene@localhost) by luna.cas.usf.edu (8.7.5/8.6.5) with SMTP id TAA23781 for ; Thu, 19 Sep 1996 19:21:19 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 19 Sep 1996 19:21:19 -0400 (EDT) From: "Thomas Keene (LIS)" To: see-a-librarian-l@vega.lib.ncsu.edu Subject: Re: end of project In-Reply-To: <960919165320.ZM61363@homam.lib.ncsu.edu> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Does anyone have a resource list of other library-oriented CU-SeeMe projects or reports that are ongoing? Or know of web sites related to similar library-of-the future technologies? I would like to direct my students to these sorts of resources to spark their imaginations and their sense of what is possible in the libraries that they will be working in soon. {{}}{{}}{{}}{{}}{{}}{{}}{{}}{{}}{{}}{{}}{{}}{{}}{{}} {{}} Tom Keene, Visiting Instructor {{}} {{}} School of Library and Information Science {{}} {{}} University of South Florida {{}} {{}} Internet: keene@luna.cas.usf.edu {{}} {{}}{{}}{{}}{{}}{{}}{{}}{{}}{{}}{{}}{{}}{{}}{{}}{{}} From morgan@ncsulib5.lib.ncsu.edu Wed Dec 11 08:53:23 1996 Received: by vega.lib.ncsu.edu; id AA08816; Wed, 11 Dec 1996 08:53:23 -0500 Date: Wed, 11 Dec 1996 08:53:23 -0500 From: Received: from homam.lib.ncsu.edu by ncsulib5.lib.ncsu.edu with SMTP; Wed, 11 Dec 1996 8:48:13 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <961211084930.ZM27394@homam.lib.ncsu.edu> Reply-To: eric_morgan@ncsu.edu X-Mailer: Z-Mail for Macintosh (3.3.1 27Mar96) To: see-a-librarian-l@vega.lib.ncsu.edu Subject: final report Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I have (finally) completed the final report for the See You See A Librarian Project. The text is available at: http://sunsite.berkeley.edu/~emorgan/see-a-librarian/ In a sentence, I believe the Project was a qualified success. While it did not attract hordes of librarians nor improve library service to any great degree, the Project did elevate the awareness of video conferencing in libraries. I will turn off the mailing list on Friday. Thank you for participating! -- Eric Lease Morgan NCSU Libraries http://www.lib.ncsu.edu/staff/morgan/ From rtennant@library.berkeley.edu Thu Dec 12 12:57:23 1996 Received: by vega.lib.ncsu.edu; id AA09987; Thu, 12 Dec 1996 12:57:23 -0500 Received: by library.berkeley.edu; (5.65v3.2/1.1.8.2/29Oct94-1209AM) id AA14744; Thu, 12 Dec 1996 09:57:22 -0800 Date: Thu, 12 Dec 1996 09:57:22 -0800 (PST) From: Roy Tennant To: see-a-librarian-l@vega.lib.ncsu.edu Subject: Re: final report In-Reply-To: <961211084930.ZM27394@homam.lib.ncsu.edu> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I added a link to this on the Digital Library SunSITE Research and Development Page: http://sunsite.berkeley.edu/R+D/ Roy On Wed, 11 Dec 1996 morgan@ncsulib5.lib.ncsu.edu wrote: > > I have (finally) completed the final report for the See You See A > Librarian Project. The text is available at: > > http://sunsite.berkeley.edu/~emorgan/see-a-librarian/ > > In a sentence, I believe the Project was a qualified success. While it > did not attract hordes of librarians nor improve library service to any > great degree, the Project did elevate the awareness of video > conferencing in libraries. > > I will turn off the mailing list on Friday. Thank you for participating! > > -- > Eric Lease Morgan > NCSU Libraries > http://www.lib.ncsu.edu/staff/morgan/ > From morgan@ncsulib5.lib.ncsu.edu Fri Dec 13 12:15:42 1996 Received: by vega.lib.ncsu.edu; id AA10798; Fri, 13 Dec 1996 12:15:42 -0500 Date: Fri, 13 Dec 1996 12:15:42 -0500 From: Received: from homam.lib.ncsu.edu by ncsulib5.lib.ncsu.edu with SMTP; Fri, 13 Dec 1996 12:10:31 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <961213121151.ZM7779@homam.lib.ncsu.edu> Reply-To: eric_morgan@ncsu.edu X-Mailer: Z-Mail for Macintosh (3.3.1 27Mar96) To: see-a-librarian-l@vega.lib.ncsu.edu Subject: last posting Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii This is the last posting to SEE-A-LIBRARIAN-L. Again, thank you for your participation. I am now off to my next project, Index Morganagus, a Harvest indexed collection of electronic library-related serials. Consider giving it a try at: http://sunsite.berkeley.edu/~emorgan/morganagus/ Maybe sometime in the future I can "CU online" again. :-) -- Eric Lease Morgan NCSU Libraries http://www.lib.ncsu.edu/staff/morgan/